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Richard_drizzle said:
https://codes.findlaw.com/tx/penal-code/penal-sect-43-21/ This is what the texas penal code describes obscene as so TBH this is only hitting hentai and those lewd ecchi shows.
https://codes.findlaw.com/tx/penal-code/penal-sect-43-21/ This is what the texas penal code describes obscene as so TBH this is only hitting hentai and those lewd ecchi shows.
Sadism and masochism are commonly used as gags. It also bans descriptions of sex acts which can show up in anything especially as gags. Also again as I stated elsewhere it uses open ended terms anything can be considered obscene including without it being explicitly sexual just reference it or the body. So doesn't even have to be ecchi it could be a slice of life show or a romance or a fantasy or sci fi anything depending how far any cop or judge stretches it to their liking.
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| @traed They have a clear definition of Obscene if someone actually got in trouble for something like bleach it be very defensible and obvious 1st ammendanment violation, more lewd stuff can get hit and sadism and masochism being used as gags is fine, but yea involving a minor character could get you in trouble under this law. |
Richard_drizzle said: They have a clear definition of Obscene if someone actually got in trouble for something like bleach it be very defensible and obvious 1st ammendanment violation, more lewd stuff can get hit and sadism and masochism being used as gags is fine, but yea involving a minor character could get you in trouble under this law. It's clearly arbitrary. It uses emotionally loaded definitions. I explained this in my long post where I outlined each section. |
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Richard_drizzle said:
They have a clear definition of Obscene if someone actually got in trouble for something like bleach it be very defensible and obvious 1st ammendanment violation, more lewd stuff can get hit and sadism and masochism being used as gags is fine, but yea involving a minor character could get you in trouble under this law.
They have a clear definition of Obscene if someone actually got in trouble for something like bleach it be very defensible and obvious 1st ammendanment violation, more lewd stuff can get hit and sadism and masochism being used as gags is fine, but yea involving a minor character could get you in trouble under this law.
It's clearly arbitrary. It uses emotionally loaded definitions. I explained this in my long post where I outlined each section.
| @traed This is fair i'm only refering the texas having it's own definition for what obscene means. patently offensive representations or descriptions of ultimate sexual acts, normal or perverted, actual or simulated, including sexual intercourse, sodomy, and sexual bestiality; or (ii) patently offensive representations or descriptions of masturbation, excretory functions, sadism, masochism, lewd exhibition of the genitals, the male or female genitals in a state of sexual stimulation or arousal, covered male genitals in a discernibly turgid state or a device designed and marketed as useful primarily for stimulation of the human genital organs. This is very clear and not alot of anime fits into this mold. |
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@traed This is fair i'm only refering the texas having it's own definition for what obscene means. patently offensive representations or descriptions of ultimate sexual acts, normal or perverted, actual or simulated, including sexual intercourse, sodomy, and sexual bestiality; or
(ii) patently offensive representations or descriptions of masturbation, excretory functions, sadism, masochism, lewd exhibition of the genitals, the male or female genitals in a state of sexual stimulation or arousal, covered male genitals in a discernibly turgid state or a device designed and marketed as useful primarily for stimulation of the human genital organs. This is very clear and not alot of anime fits into this mold.
(ii) patently offensive representations or descriptions of masturbation, excretory functions, sadism, masochism, lewd exhibition of the genitals, the male or female genitals in a state of sexual stimulation or arousal, covered male genitals in a discernibly turgid state or a device designed and marketed as useful primarily for stimulation of the human genital organs. This is very clear and not alot of anime fits into this mold.
| @Richard_drizzle The part that seems broader to me is section A "the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that taken as a whole appeals to the prurient interest in sex;" Like I explained they dont actually survey anyone so they have no requirement of proof. Though at least this does have a legal defense against it by proving the statement false but it still would lead to people winding up in court which can have negative effects by that alone including potentially losing their jobs because not being able to come into work. Also even when the statement is true, public opinion is not always the correct view. This is one of the biggest issues here. For second B in i and ii the biggest issue is it even includes "descriptions" and also the term "representation" unless it is defined elsewhere also may be open to interpretation since it may include something happening off screen only implied in the narrative. So regardless of whatever the intent is there is a lot of room for pushing in personal views. Texas also has a few physical anime shops. These establishments could be raided by police and shut down if they were reported by someone even if they were acting in bad faith. Same can be done to conventions. |
traedSep 2, 3:39 AM
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The Texas legislature is proposing a bill that would make it illegal to possess, share, or create obscene visual material depicting children, even if it’s merely a drawing or an AI-generated image.
it bans child porn not anime only pedophiles affefcted
it bans child porn not anime only pedophiles affefcted
| @Whiteingale But those people do not distinguish between AI images, amateur scribblings, and anime. It's all the same to them and their stupid law. Btw, child porn was already illegal, and a drawing is not a child. |
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@Richard_drizzle
The part that seems broader to me is section A
"the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that taken as a whole appeals to the prurient interest in sex;"
Like I explained they dont actually survey anyone so they have no requirement of proof. Though at least this does have a legal defense against it by proving the statement false but it still would lead to people winding up in court which can have negative effects by that alone including potentially losing their jobs because not being able to come into work. Also even when the statement is true, public opinion is not always the correct view. This is one of the biggest issues here.
For second B in i and ii the biggest issue is it even includes "descriptions" and also the term "representation" unless it is defined elsewhere also may be open to interpretation since it may include something happening off screen only implied in the narrative.
So regardless of whatever the intent is there is a lot of room for pushing in personal views.
Texas also has a few physical anime shops. These establishments could be raided by police and shut down if they were reported by someone even if they were acting in bad faith. Same can be done to conventions.
The part that seems broader to me is section A
"the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that taken as a whole appeals to the prurient interest in sex;"
Like I explained they dont actually survey anyone so they have no requirement of proof. Though at least this does have a legal defense against it by proving the statement false but it still would lead to people winding up in court which can have negative effects by that alone including potentially losing their jobs because not being able to come into work. Also even when the statement is true, public opinion is not always the correct view. This is one of the biggest issues here.
For second B in i and ii the biggest issue is it even includes "descriptions" and also the term "representation" unless it is defined elsewhere also may be open to interpretation since it may include something happening off screen only implied in the narrative.
So regardless of whatever the intent is there is a lot of room for pushing in personal views.
Texas also has a few physical anime shops. These establishments could be raided by police and shut down if they were reported by someone even if they were acting in bad faith. Same can be done to conventions.
| @traed while i do agree texas is a dumb state with their weird and random laws they place this bill specifically mentions the content must be obscene then defines it and honestly not much in anime fits the bill, will people wind up in court over owning manga probably not because what cop or sheriff is going to serve a warrant for a book. This is entirely unenforceable only people with incredibly bad luck would fall victim to this. |
| @Whiteingale You know, it's vague wording will be used to ban anything and everything, including Astolfo. |
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@perseii The language in the bill discusses fictional content, not real content. Fictional content includes anime and manga. That is what will be targeted. This has happened before. In fact, a group has already been kicked out of a Texas anime convention (San Japan) due to the bill.
ForgotEyeWasHere said: The language in the bill discusses fictional content Well yeah, they're mainly concerned about AI-generated material, which is what the bill is for, no? And that stuff includes photo-realistic deepfakes, hand-drawn look, and everything in-between. They wouldn't (and shouldn't) limit themselves to "real content" when they're combating problematic material made with AI. ForgotEyeWasHere said: That is what will be targeted. Again, that's speculation on your part. It might happen, it might not. Unless something's already got banned or prosecuted? Not sure what happened with the convention thing, but the organizers are free to pick and choose who and what to host. It's a business venture, not a public forum. If the organizers got cold feet from that bill passing, that's stupid and premature, but it's still their right. Don't think there's any law being broken or enforced here. I have a feeling that the authorities would be too busy cracking down on the AI stuff with this bill to even have time for anime. And I expect they'd do a terrible job with the AI stuff anyway. I recognize that the bill creates uncertainty and vague fear, but arguing that this bill will lead to Naruto and Bleach getting banned just sounds ridiculous and fearmongering. |
| That's concerning. I live in Florida and I feel like if Texas does this then Florida probably would too |
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@Whiteingale You know, it's vague wording will be used to ban anything and everything, including Astolfo.
| @ForgotEyeWasHere no because vague wording its already existed and americans have already been imprisoned for cp this law is not different from the actual constitution on federal level. being pedo is not ok in america and never was. im sorry that internet brainwashed anons at 4chan. it has always been. |
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| I deeply disturbed that fictional drawings are demonized but real life predators roam free and are not prosecuted. Like the rich ones. O__O |
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| All they are doing is funneling money into vons, and potentially triggering aggressive outbursts from neurotic people who use anime as a way to insulate or cope |
bledsoe60Sep 2, 2:39 PM
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australia and some other shitholes did the same thing, sometimes I wonder whether it's virtue signalling or if these people are so insane they believe a drawing on paper is actually a child being victimized
you should always be using a VPN anyway
you should always be using a VPN anyway
| @XMGA030 in australia it was pretty tame, they just refused classification of heavy loli titles. Still not exactly "freedom of expression" but very few titles have been affected, and it hasn't been applied to an individual based on them owning unclassified anime |
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@XMGA030 in australia it was pretty tame, they just refused classification of heavy loli titles. Still not exactly "freedom of expression" but very few titles have been affected, and it hasn't been applied to an individual based on them owning unclassified anime
| @bledsoe60 I frequented an imageboard that was hosted in australia and the owner had to make a rule against posting lolicon because of that law. Apparently he would have been prosecuted. |
| If the wording of this bill is actually as vague as people are saying it is, then I would guess that's not a mistake, it's intentional, and while they won't immediately go after anime, they're paving the way to do so whenever it becomes an important step in their total media dominance agenda. Keep in mind that we're still in the middle of a mass censorship campaign by payment processors who are trying to ban all adult video games, and who, if not stopped, will go further until you can only buy and play the games that their wealthy far-right executives approve. I would not put it past the republican party to try something similar with anime, hiding the mass censorship agenda behind an objectively good thing that no sane person would oppose (the whole "banning AI generated child porn" thing, because yes, that in and of itself is objectively good, and I will not hear any arguments to the contrary). Afterall, they've done it before with certain divisive "political" topics that I'm not sure I'm allowed to discuss on this forum. |
| If they actually try to ban anime that sounds terrible. Fortunately there are ways around it. |
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@ForgotEyeWasHere Check out my post I have sent in this thread and 98% of it is false information, if there would be "ban" there would be already headlines that someone was arrested yet nothing happened, also if there would be "ban" crunchyroll would be the first one to speak against it since they operates in texas yet nothing happened. If you or many other people in this thread would do some bits of research or a simple google search then yall would realize most of it made up by social media just to gain clout and engagement by creating false information that then creates drama/controversy.
2 days have passed after the bill was passed yet nothing have happened.
This is "Japan vs foreigenrs" thing all over again.
2 days have passed after the bill was passed yet nothing have happened.
This is "Japan vs foreigenrs" thing all over again.
| @jacobPOL you do realize that in order for any prosecutorial action to be done, a solid legal case can't realistically be built in only 2 days right? Even if the law is enforced as bad faith as possible (which its fucking Texas we can't kid ourselves here, they can and most likely will abuse this law when given the chance to given their government's track record), expecting action to be taken immediately is a very naive thought process. It may take weeks or months to see the real impact of this law and how it impacts the entertainment industry |
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@jacobPOL
you do realize that in order for any prosecutorial action to be done, a solid legal case can't realistically be built in only 2 days right? Even if the law is enforced as bad faith as possible (which its fucking Texas we can't kid ourselves here, they can and most likely will abuse this law when given the chance to given their government's track record), expecting action to be taken immediately is a very naive thought process. It may take weeks or months to see the real impact of this law and how it impacts the entertainment industry
you do realize that in order for any prosecutorial action to be done, a solid legal case can't realistically be built in only 2 days right? Even if the law is enforced as bad faith as possible (which its fucking Texas we can't kid ourselves here, they can and most likely will abuse this law when given the chance to given their government's track record), expecting action to be taken immediately is a very naive thought process. It may take weeks or months to see the real impact of this law and how it impacts the entertainment industry
LSSJ_Chloe said: you do realize that in order for any prosecutorial action to be done, a solid legal case can't realistically be built in only 2 days right? Texas Senate Bill 20 was passed months ago. |
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LSSJ_Chloe said:
you do realize that in order for any prosecutorial action to be done, a solid legal case can't realistically be built in only 2 days right?
you do realize that in order for any prosecutorial action to be done, a solid legal case can't realistically be built in only 2 days right?
Texas Senate Bill 20 was passed months ago.
jacobPOL said: @Lucifrost @jacobPOL The bill went into effect September 1. It may not happen instantly, but we will see anime get censored and banned very soon, and see manga get taken out of libraries for all sorts of ridiculous reasons, all thanks to this bill. For example, Naruto will be banned because of the scenes where Naruto and Sasuke kiss each other. All ecchi and hentai will be banned. Any content with LGBT characters, such as Sailor Moon, and BL and GL, will all be banned because of this bill. Onimai will be banned not only for having lolis, but also for being a gender bender. So yes, this is an anime ban, and will stretch out to other media too.@LSSJ_Chloe I know, that is why instead going all in hyperbolic mode, community should wait and see how the law will operate first give it more time and then decide next what to do with it. But still I stopped trusting 98% of the things related to this bill online considering how majoirty of anime community likes ti create false information that then created drama controversy to gain clout. For example look at JAST USA they admitted that the lied about being "banned" and they just "banned" themselves just to create cliut and engagement. |
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jacobPOL said:
@LSSJ_Chloe I know, that is why instead going all in hyperbolic mode, community should wait and see how the law will operate first
give it more time and then decide next what to do with it. But still I stopped trusting 98% of the things related to this bill online considering how majoirty of anime community likes ti create false information that then created drama controversy to gain clout. For example look at JAST USA they admitted that the lied about being "banned" and they just "banned" themselves just to create cliut and engagement.
@Lucifrost @jacobPOL The bill went into effect September 1. It may not happen instantly, but we will see anime get censored and banned very soon, and see manga get taken out of libraries for all sorts of ridiculous reasons, all thanks to this bill. For example, Naruto will be banned because of the scenes where Naruto and Sasuke kiss each other. All ecchi and hentai will be banned. Any content with LGBT characters, such as Sailor Moon, and BL and GL, will all be banned because of this bill. Onimai will be banned not only for having lolis, but also for being a gender bender. So yes, this is an anime ban, and will stretch out to other media too.@LSSJ_Chloe I know, that is why instead going all in hyperbolic mode, community should wait and see how the law will operate first
give it more time and then decide next what to do with it. But still I stopped trusting 98% of the things related to this bill online considering how majoirty of anime community likes ti create false information that then created drama controversy to gain clout. For example look at JAST USA they admitted that the lied about being "banned" and they just "banned" themselves just to create cliut and engagement.
ForgotEyeWasHere said: The bill went into effect September 1. It may not happen instantly, but we will see anime get censored and banned very soon, and see manga get taken out of libraries for all sorts of ridiculous reasons, all thanks to this bill. I was responding to the claim that it takes time to file a lawsuit. |
| その目だれの目？ |
| okay guys just shut up and listen this: glory to texas *drinks beer* i love owning a gun and going to church *drinks beer* now /thread |
| I am just the admin of www.churro.club. |
| What a lot of people forget that a law not being used a certain way immediately does not mean it will never be. Laws are eternal until overturned or overwritten. As soon as a more authoritarian government or police force desires to target something, anything, they can when laws are written like this. It will not effect obky anime or hinder media but can be used against imprisoning dissenters and whistle blowers under trumped up charges. Richard_drizzle said: while i do agree texas is a dumb state with their weird and random laws they place this bill specifically mentions the content must be obscene then defines it and honestly not much in anime fits the bill, will people wind up in court over owning manga probably not because what cop or sheriff is going to serve a warrant for a book. This is entirely unenforceable only people with incredibly bad luck would fall victim to this. While it is defined as I said people can still be arrested even if it doesn't violate the law because the open endedness of how it can be interpreted based on feelings of a police officer or who called the police. There has been cases before in other states documented where people were arrested for manga. There has been cases in countries like Italy and Australia of them banning specific titles that are actually quite tame. The definition also has it so age of a character is arbitrarily determined with no written criteria for determination. For example they could claim a chibi is an infant. Do keep in mind not every criminal case winds go news. Many go unreported. |
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What a lot of people forget that a law not being used a certain way immediately does not mean it will never be. Laws are eternal until overturned or overwritten. As soon as a more authoritarian government or police force desires to target something, anything, they can when laws are written like this. It will not effect obky anime or hinder media but can be used against imprisoning dissenters and whistle blowers under trumped up charges.
While it is defined as I said people can still be arrested even if it doesn't violate the law because the open endedness of how it can be interpreted based on feelings of a police officer or who called the police. There has been cases before in other states documented where people were arrested for manga. There has been cases in countries like Italy and Australia of them banning specific titles that are actually quite tame. The definition also has it so age of a character is arbitrarily determined with no written criteria for determination. For example they could claim a chibi is an infant. Do keep in mind not every criminal case winds go news. Many go unreported.
Richard_drizzle said:
while i do agree texas is a dumb state with their weird and random laws they place this bill specifically mentions the content must be obscene then defines it and honestly not much in anime fits the bill, will people wind up in court over owning manga probably not because what cop or sheriff is going to serve a warrant for a book. This is entirely unenforceable only people with incredibly bad luck would fall victim to this.
while i do agree texas is a dumb state with their weird and random laws they place this bill specifically mentions the content must be obscene then defines it and honestly not much in anime fits the bill, will people wind up in court over owning manga probably not because what cop or sheriff is going to serve a warrant for a book. This is entirely unenforceable only people with incredibly bad luck would fall victim to this.
While it is defined as I said people can still be arrested even if it doesn't violate the law because the open endedness of how it can be interpreted based on feelings of a police officer or who called the police. There has been cases before in other states documented where people were arrested for manga. There has been cases in countries like Italy and Australia of them banning specific titles that are actually quite tame. The definition also has it so age of a character is arbitrarily determined with no written criteria for determination. For example they could claim a chibi is an infant. Do keep in mind not every criminal case winds go news. Many go unreported.
| @traed This is america land of the pedophiles i doubt anything will come of it. |
Reply to jacobPOL
@ktg see, just pointing out some middle of the dialogue and then trying to accuse it is a lie without any source to proof your claim. I know that standard fashion, I have stated my sources several times
JAST USA lied about being "banned" and admitted in their own tweet, and there was nothing on the website of that expo that someone was kicked out from the expo due to the bill.
Crunchyroll would be the first one to speak uo against it yet no tweet nor other platforms have mentioned about this bill.
Once again that shows that you like being hyperbolic mode rather waiting calmly not falling in to paranoia
Where is the lie there, hmmmm? I just said community should wait and see that's it.
JAST USA lied about being "banned" and admitted in their own tweet, and there was nothing on the website of that expo that someone was kicked out from the expo due to the bill.
Crunchyroll would be the first one to speak uo against it yet no tweet nor other platforms have mentioned about this bill.
Once again that shows that you like being hyperbolic mode rather waiting calmly not falling in to paranoia
Where is the lie there, hmmmm? I just said community should wait and see that's it.
| @jacobPOL jacobPOL said: just pointing out some middle of the dialogue and then trying to accuse it is a lie without any source to proof your claim I proved, actually you proved it with your comments. You made completely different statements about the same law. That's a fact, so at least in one of those cases you lied. You proved it, I quoted it, so this is a FACT. jacobPOL said: I know that standard fashion, I have stated my sources several times You shared a video that contains fallacies and you repeated those fallacies. That does not prove anything. jacobPOL said: JAST USA lied about being "banned" and admitted in their own tweet, and there was nothing on the website of that expo that someone was kicked out from the expo due to the bill. This is one of those fallacies. Firstly, no, based what we've seen in the video, we don't know if he was banned or not, because simply saying that it wasn't based on that law, that wouldn't mean that he wasn't banned. You can be banned without any legal consequences. This is your 2nd lie. In fact, we know that several other people were banned, not just JAST: https://www.reddit.com/r/visualnovels/comments/1n4j7ox/comment/nbm6oq1/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button jacobPOL said: Crunchyroll would be the first one to speak uo against it yet no tweet nor other platforms have mentioned about this bill. 3rd lie. No, any competent organization first would take the legal route. So they would pay for really good lawyers. If they fail, then they should have spoken up. jacobPOL said: Once again that shows that you like being hyperbolic mode rather waiting calmly not falling in to paranoia 4th lie. Hyperbolic means that it's exaggerated, while that's not the case here. We are talking about a valid scenario that FALLS under the law. A hyperbolic statement would be something like "you would be tortured if you have anime in your house". Obviously the law does not state something like that. jacobPOL said: Where is the lie there, hmmmm? I don't know. Why did you lie 4 times in this comment? jacobPOL said: There is no more to add here. I agree. We can all see that facts about how every statement of yours is false.  |
Reply to ktg
@jacobPOL
I proved, actually you proved it with your comments. You made completely different statements about the same law. That's a fact, so at least in one of those cases you lied. You proved it, I quoted it, so this is a FACT.
You shared a video that contains fallacies and you repeated those fallacies. That does not prove anything.
This is one of those fallacies.
Firstly, no, based what we've seen in the video, we don't know if he was banned or not, because simply saying that it wasn't based on that law, that wouldn't mean that he wasn't banned. You can be banned without any legal consequences. This is your 2nd lie.
In fact, we know that several other people were banned, not just JAST: https://www.reddit.com/r/visualnovels/comments/1n4j7ox/comment/nbm6oq1/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
3rd lie. No, any competent organization first would take the legal route. So they would pay for really good lawyers. If they fail, then they should have spoken up.
4th lie.
Hyperbolic means that it's exaggerated, while that's not the case here. We are talking about a valid scenario that FALLS under the law.
A hyperbolic statement would be something like "you would be tortured if you have anime in your house". Obviously the law does not state something like that.
I don't know. Why did you lie 4 times in this comment?
I agree.
We can all see that facts about how every statement of yours is false.
jacobPOL said:
just pointing out some middle of the dialogue and then trying to accuse it is a lie without any source to proof your claim
just pointing out some middle of the dialogue and then trying to accuse it is a lie without any source to proof your claim
I proved, actually you proved it with your comments. You made completely different statements about the same law. That's a fact, so at least in one of those cases you lied. You proved it, I quoted it, so this is a FACT.
jacobPOL said:
I know that standard fashion, I have stated my sources several times
I know that standard fashion, I have stated my sources several times
You shared a video that contains fallacies and you repeated those fallacies. That does not prove anything.
jacobPOL said:
JAST USA lied about being "banned" and admitted in their own tweet, and there was nothing on the website of that expo that someone was kicked out from the expo due to the bill.
JAST USA lied about being "banned" and admitted in their own tweet, and there was nothing on the website of that expo that someone was kicked out from the expo due to the bill.
This is one of those fallacies.
Firstly, no, based what we've seen in the video, we don't know if he was banned or not, because simply saying that it wasn't based on that law, that wouldn't mean that he wasn't banned. You can be banned without any legal consequences. This is your 2nd lie.
In fact, we know that several other people were banned, not just JAST: https://www.reddit.com/r/visualnovels/comments/1n4j7ox/comment/nbm6oq1/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
jacobPOL said:
Crunchyroll would be the first one to speak uo against it yet no tweet nor other platforms have mentioned about this bill.
Crunchyroll would be the first one to speak uo against it yet no tweet nor other platforms have mentioned about this bill.
3rd lie. No, any competent organization first would take the legal route. So they would pay for really good lawyers. If they fail, then they should have spoken up.
jacobPOL said:
Once again that shows that you like being hyperbolic mode rather waiting calmly not falling in to paranoia
Once again that shows that you like being hyperbolic mode rather waiting calmly not falling in to paranoia
4th lie.
Hyperbolic means that it's exaggerated, while that's not the case here. We are talking about a valid scenario that FALLS under the law.
A hyperbolic statement would be something like "you would be tortured if you have anime in your house". Obviously the law does not state something like that.
jacobPOL said:
Where is the lie there, hmmmm?
Where is the lie there, hmmmm?
I don't know. Why did you lie 4 times in this comment?
jacobPOL said:
There is no more to add here.
There is no more to add here.
I agree.
We can all see that facts about how every statement of yours is false.
| @ktg ah yes once again talking about lies without even telling where I have lied. Typical, and now you just sharing info that is "trust me source bro" that got a lot of likes without being confrimed by the official sources (that is not research works just by looking on the post that has the most likes, no because the reason? Most of these type of posts are full of misinformation/made up thing). Official website of that expo said nothing about the ban and also nothing about JAST, it seems you cannot accept the fact and trying to do anything to be on winning position by sending these "sources" that are just from random people on the internet that got a lot of likes (tjat is not how research works, even when sth has a lot of likes tmany of these are full of made uo things/misinformed)whereas I only have shared my sources with jast usa admiting they lied in their own tweet (just check the tweet with that supposed ban) and similar things. At this point I am not surprised with majority of mainstream anime community how they are full of misinformation likes to making ip things that creates then drama/controversy to then gaining clout and engagement trying to make people believe as if this was a fact just like this was with "Japan vs foreigners" thing. That is all from me, have a nice day. |
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