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Remove all donghua or no?
Remove all trash donghua
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Let the trash donghua stay
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Aug 5, 11:18 AM
#151
@iweebz @KenaiPhoenix Anime = Japanese animation. There is no chinese anime. Do you understand now? |
Aug 5, 11:27 AM
#152
Reply to MYZIC
@MYZIC "Wow this anime is really great, but they speak kind of weird. Never mind, the audio must be glitched or something" |
Aug 5, 11:30 AM
#153
I won't say that. Donghua are pretty good like Link click, Heaven officials blessing, MDZS, Lord of mysteries, Ling Qi. They are good, there are versatile watchers in the site so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ why does it bother you? Just don't watch it, it exists for the watch already, might as well be in the site. |
Aug 5, 11:41 AM
#154
Reply to KenaiPhoenix
@MYZIC

"Wow this anime is really great, but they speak kind of weird. Never mind, the audio must be glitched or something"
"Wow this anime is really great, but they speak kind of weird. Never mind, the audio must be glitched or something"
@KenaiPhoenix Anime is Japanese animation. Anime is a Japanese word. It's really weird how that entire sentence you wrote is in english except for 1 word. It's almost like you have no idea what you're even saying. Saying Chinese anime is equivalent to saying Chinese Japanese animation. Let's hear your explanation for why this is correct to say. |
Aug 5, 11:42 AM
#155
So what exactly makes donghua very bad quality? I would like to know...... |
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Aug 5, 11:49 AM
#156
Reply to MYZIC
BraveX said:
You're right that the score distribution looks suspicious, but I wouldn't say it's definitive proof that it's being botted — at least not just based on that alone.
You're an actual ccp agent. You're right that the score distribution looks suspicious, but I wouldn't say it's definitive proof that it's being botted — at least not just based on that alone.
@MYZIC hentai dumbdumbs should leave intelligent discussions to the grownups no matter how much adult material they gobble up in the basement room when mommy’s not looking. You’re probably the biggest watcher of 3D hentai and porn and think everything 3D is the same trash. Beware of accusations, half of us are actual commie agents and Uncle Xin is watching YOU🤏🏻👉🏻👀🥷🇨🇳 |
Cristina_GAug 5, 5:23 PM
Aug 5, 11:52 AM
#157
Though I agree that some (some not all as I have seen non-chinese animatiom that is bad too) animation of donghua is mediocre and/or bad. I have seen some that were promising. However, I digress, as I am not a frequent donghua watcher. Mo Dao Zu Shi (The Untamed animated version) is a good one. ♡ |
CharomiiAug 5, 12:03 PM
Aug 5, 11:53 AM
#158
Reply to Cristina_G
@MYZIC hentai dumbdumbs should leave intelligent discussions to the grownups no matter how much adult material they gobble up in the basement room when mommy’s not looking. You’re probably the biggest watcher of 3D hentai and porn and think everything 3D is the same trash. Beware of accusations, half of us are actual commie agents and Uncle Xin is watching YOU🤏🏻👉🏻👀🥷🇨🇳
@Cristina_G Random unrelated insults against me because you know it's botted and you're too embarrassed to admit it. Also hentia is in 2d. I'm just letting you know for future reference ccp agent. |
Aug 5, 11:54 AM
#159
"BuT ChInEsE cArToOnS aRe GoOd, yOu ShOuLd JuSt TrY tHeM" The point is that they are not anime and should not belong to the site that's literally named "My Anime List". MAL should either remove them or start including stuff like Family Guy and Sponge Bob as well and rename itself to "My Cartoon List" or something. |
Aug 5, 12:00 PM
#160
@Cristina_G how is his avatar pedo? I don't think it looks suspicious whatsoever. |
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Aug 5, 12:02 PM
#161
Reply to MYZIC
@KenaiPhoenix
Anime is Japanese animation.
Anime is a Japanese word.
It's really weird how that entire sentence you wrote is in english except for 1 word. It's almost like you have no idea what you're even saying.
Saying Chinese anime is equivalent to saying Chinese Japanese animation.
Let's hear your explanation for why this is correct to say.
Anime is Japanese animation.
Anime is a Japanese word.
It's really weird how that entire sentence you wrote is in english except for 1 word. It's almost like you have no idea what you're even saying.
Saying Chinese anime is equivalent to saying Chinese Japanese animation.
Let's hear your explanation for why this is correct to say.
@MYZIC What exactly is the value in distinguishing the country of origin? "Anime" definitely is treated more as a term for an artistic movement (much like cubism or new wave), not a classification for it's source region. Anime as a movement originated in Japan, but is not exclusive to Japan. "Japanese animation" is the term for animation originating in Japan. "Anime" is the term for animations which imitate the narrative, visual, and directorial style which was developed and popularized by the Japanese animation industry. This definition easily avoids the common "might as well include Looney Tunes" argument, while still largely separating it from the country of origin. It also allows for the variety of stylistic choices seen in anime, because it acknowledges anime as a range of ideas and styles. If people are so married to the idea of "anime" meaning Japanese cartoons, then let's invent a more useful word to describe the artistic movement it spawned so I can start a website that doesn't encourage useless conversations like these. |
Aug 5, 12:03 PM
#162
MYZIC said: Anime is a Japanese word. Nope, anime, in the way you use it, is an English word. Let's check the Japanese word アニメ Abbreviation for animation [Supplementary information] Recently adopted into English and is used to refer to Japanese animated works Japanese word アニメ just means cartoon |
Aug 5, 12:05 PM
#163
Reply to queenofautism
"BuT ChInEsE cArToOnS aRe GoOd, yOu ShOuLd JuSt TrY tHeM"
The point is that they are not anime and should not belong to the site that's literally named "My Anime List". MAL should either remove them or start including stuff like Family Guy and Sponge Bob as well and rename itself to "My Cartoon List" or something.
The point is that they are not anime and should not belong to the site that's literally named "My Anime List". MAL should either remove them or start including stuff like Family Guy and Sponge Bob as well and rename itself to "My Cartoon List" or something.
@queenofautism The name won't change. They will just say it's american anime. There is already thousands of lunatics on this site calling for "american anime" to be added like Castlevania, netflix's devil may cry, and avatar. |
Aug 5, 12:08 PM
#164
Reply to valico
@MYZIC What exactly is the value in distinguishing the country of origin? "Anime" definitely is treated more as a term for an artistic movement (much like cubism or new wave), not a classification for it's source region. Anime as a movement originated in Japan, but is not exclusive to Japan.
"Japanese animation" is the term for animation originating in Japan. "Anime" is the term for animations which imitate the narrative, visual, and directorial style which was developed and popularized by the Japanese animation industry.
This definition easily avoids the common "might as well include Looney Tunes" argument, while still largely separating it from the country of origin. It also allows for the variety of stylistic choices seen in anime, because it acknowledges anime as a range of ideas and styles.
If people are so married to the idea of "anime" meaning Japanese cartoons, then let's invent a more useful word to describe the artistic movement it spawned so I can start a website that doesn't encourage useless conversations like these.
"Japanese animation" is the term for animation originating in Japan. "Anime" is the term for animations which imitate the narrative, visual, and directorial style which was developed and popularized by the Japanese animation industry.
This definition easily avoids the common "might as well include Looney Tunes" argument, while still largely separating it from the country of origin. It also allows for the variety of stylistic choices seen in anime, because it acknowledges anime as a range of ideas and styles.
If people are so married to the idea of "anime" meaning Japanese cartoons, then let's invent a more useful word to describe the artistic movement it spawned so I can start a website that doesn't encourage useless conversations like these.
@valico Anime is not defined by a single style. There are many anime that don't look like the typical anime style you're thinking of. Anime means Japanese animation and it always will. |
Aug 5, 12:14 PM
#165
i would personally ignore myzic he is just rage baiting at this point and only seeking attention |
Aug 5, 12:20 PM
#166
Reply to MYZIC
@valico
Anime is not defined by a single style.
There are many anime that don't look like the typical anime style you're thinking of.
Anime means Japanese animation and it always will.
Anime is not defined by a single style.
There are many anime that don't look like the typical anime style you're thinking of.
Anime means Japanese animation and it always will.
@MYZIC Oh true, true. That must be why I said "It also allows for the variety of stylistic choices seen in anime, because it acknowledges anime as a range of ideas and styles." And if anime is a regional thing exclusive to japan, then it isn't a medium as most people call it. Mediums don't work like that. |
Aug 5, 12:41 PM
#167
Donghua sounds really sketchy to me. Then again, it comes from China, so it must be really sketchy. Please keep in mind, Japanese anime is already very sketchy. You are delusional if you think anime is somehow "clean". It is not. Anime is very, very suspicious stuff. |
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Aug 5, 1:08 PM
#168
you dont like it? Dont watch it. There are people who enjoy it, dont make it less fun for them :) |
Aug 5, 1:18 PM
#169
Add an account setting where you can filter out things by country instead, and add a country filter for searching as well since it would benefit those of us that actually do want to watch and read non-Japanese things. More filters and settings would benefit everyone really |
Aug 5, 1:35 PM
#170
The best thing would be to remove all media from this site. Anime, Donghua, Aeni... it's all garbage. I miss the old days when we played with sticks and our own feces. |
Aug 5, 1:38 PM
#171
Reply to KenaiPhoenix
"I like to have fewer option" - The thread
Should we also remove any user here that shares anime art because they are not japanese?
Just skip it, I personally dont like too much Chinese anime, but some people really do.
Should we also remove any user here that shares anime art because they are not japanese?
Just skip it, I personally dont like too much Chinese anime, but some people really do.
KenaiPhoenix said: "I like to have fewer option" - The thread I assume you would want MAL to be flooded with American animation as well, then? |
Aug 5, 1:40 PM
#172
Reply to valico
@MYZIC Oh true, true. That must be why I said "It also allows for the variety of stylistic choices seen in anime, because it acknowledges anime as a range of ideas and styles."
And if anime is a regional thing exclusive to japan, then it isn't a medium as most people call it. Mediums don't work like that.
And if anime is a regional thing exclusive to japan, then it isn't a medium as most people call it. Mediums don't work like that.
@valico Because the medium is ANIMATION, silly. Anime refers to animation from Japan. |
Aug 5, 1:53 PM
#173
Lurking in this thread and seeing myzic say the exact same things over and over again has been an experience. It's almost impressive. Anyways, I've been really enjoying Guimi Zhi Zhu: Xiaochou Pian this season. The story is a little bit of a mess but isekai Bloodborne is an amazing concept that the show does a lot with. |
Aug 5, 1:55 PM
#174
Reply to EonRed
The best thing would be to remove all media from this site. Anime, Donghua, Aeni... it's all garbage. I miss the old days when we played with sticks and our own feces.
@EonRed 100% agree. This is the true path forward. |
Aug 5, 1:55 PM
#175
Not that interested in donghua or in this debate, but I'm leaning "yes" to keeping donghua on MAL just to annoy some weirdo Japan purists here. |
Aug 5, 2:02 PM
#176
Reply to MercerTheLegend
Further proof donghua are being botted
https://myanimelist.net/anime/59953/Mushen_Ji
This show has around 12000 reviews giving it a 8 but less that 200 per score for every other score
I don't have a problem with genuinely good donghua but they are definitely being botted
https://myanimelist.net/anime/59953/Mushen_Ji
This show has around 12000 reviews giving it a 8 but less that 200 per score for every other score
I don't have a problem with genuinely good donghua but they are definitely being botted
@MercerTheLegend This one is not specifically related to being Chinese. Take a look at the accounts: https://myanimelist.net/anime/59953/Mushen_Ji/stats?m=all&show=1000#members The same profiles gave 8s to https://myanimelist.net/anime/1485/Akachan_to_Boku and 4s to https://myanimelist.net/anime/283/Akage_no_Anne It's possible whoever is behind this is trying to influence something, but I think it's more likely a random sampling of shows testing some script to mass create accounts. |
Aug 5, 2:12 PM
#177
Reply to thewiru
KenaiPhoenix said:
"I like to have fewer option" - The thread
"I like to have fewer option" - The thread
I assume you would want MAL to be flooded with American animation as well, then?
@thewiru The biggest issue is the feasibility of backfilling all of this work. There are no decent Western general-purpose animation databases (unless you use a film database like IMDb or Letterboxd), and MAL (or some other site), has the potential to fill this void. Annict (a Japanese-origin animation database) and Bangumi (a Chinese-origin animation database) have proven that it's possible to include animation from around the world, while still catering primarily to Japanese animation (refer to Bangumi's top ranking page: https://bangumi.tv/anime/browser?sort=rank). Sure, there is a decent argument to be made that more Western animation would rank higher here, but if filters are introduced, people could limit what they want to see. |
Aug 5, 2:17 PM
#178
Reply to Kwanthemaster
@thewiru
The biggest issue is the feasibility of backfilling all of this work. There are no decent Western general-purpose animation databases (unless you use a film database like IMDb or Letterboxd), and MAL (or some other site), has the potential to fill this void. Annict (a Japanese-origin animation database) and Bangumi (a Chinese-origin animation database) have proven that it's possible to include animation from around the world, while still catering primarily to Japanese animation (refer to Bangumi's top ranking page: https://bangumi.tv/anime/browser?sort=rank). Sure, there is a decent argument to be made that more Western animation would rank higher here, but if filters are introduced, people could limit what they want to see.
The biggest issue is the feasibility of backfilling all of this work. There are no decent Western general-purpose animation databases (unless you use a film database like IMDb or Letterboxd), and MAL (or some other site), has the potential to fill this void. Annict (a Japanese-origin animation database) and Bangumi (a Chinese-origin animation database) have proven that it's possible to include animation from around the world, while still catering primarily to Japanese animation (refer to Bangumi's top ranking page: https://bangumi.tv/anime/browser?sort=rank). Sure, there is a decent argument to be made that more Western animation would rank higher here, but if filters are introduced, people could limit what they want to see.
@Kwanthemaster Annict? I just looked up this Japanese website for Japanese people and it literally has Simpsons classified as an anime by the Japanese themselves. Fascinating. People fighting saying that anime is only Japanese and the Japanese themselves treating Simpsons as anime. @Kwanthemaster thanks for the information. |
Aug 5, 2:18 PM
#179
Reply to Kwanthemaster
@thewiru
The biggest issue is the feasibility of backfilling all of this work. There are no decent Western general-purpose animation databases (unless you use a film database like IMDb or Letterboxd), and MAL (or some other site), has the potential to fill this void. Annict (a Japanese-origin animation database) and Bangumi (a Chinese-origin animation database) have proven that it's possible to include animation from around the world, while still catering primarily to Japanese animation (refer to Bangumi's top ranking page: https://bangumi.tv/anime/browser?sort=rank). Sure, there is a decent argument to be made that more Western animation would rank higher here, but if filters are introduced, people could limit what they want to see.
The biggest issue is the feasibility of backfilling all of this work. There are no decent Western general-purpose animation databases (unless you use a film database like IMDb or Letterboxd), and MAL (or some other site), has the potential to fill this void. Annict (a Japanese-origin animation database) and Bangumi (a Chinese-origin animation database) have proven that it's possible to include animation from around the world, while still catering primarily to Japanese animation (refer to Bangumi's top ranking page: https://bangumi.tv/anime/browser?sort=rank). Sure, there is a decent argument to be made that more Western animation would rank higher here, but if filters are introduced, people could limit what they want to see.
Kwanthemaster said: This is a website for anime, fuck off with the "just add everything with filters" argument.but if filters are introduced |
MYZICAug 5, 2:24 PM
Aug 5, 2:21 PM
#180
Reply to Kwanthemaster
@thewiru
The biggest issue is the feasibility of backfilling all of this work. There are no decent Western general-purpose animation databases (unless you use a film database like IMDb or Letterboxd), and MAL (or some other site), has the potential to fill this void. Annict (a Japanese-origin animation database) and Bangumi (a Chinese-origin animation database) have proven that it's possible to include animation from around the world, while still catering primarily to Japanese animation (refer to Bangumi's top ranking page: https://bangumi.tv/anime/browser?sort=rank). Sure, there is a decent argument to be made that more Western animation would rank higher here, but if filters are introduced, people could limit what they want to see.
The biggest issue is the feasibility of backfilling all of this work. There are no decent Western general-purpose animation databases (unless you use a film database like IMDb or Letterboxd), and MAL (or some other site), has the potential to fill this void. Annict (a Japanese-origin animation database) and Bangumi (a Chinese-origin animation database) have proven that it's possible to include animation from around the world, while still catering primarily to Japanese animation (refer to Bangumi's top ranking page: https://bangumi.tv/anime/browser?sort=rank). Sure, there is a decent argument to be made that more Western animation would rank higher here, but if filters are introduced, people could limit what they want to see.
Kwanthemaster said: There are no decent Western general-purpose animation Not our problem. We did our own, they should do their own if they care. |
Aug 5, 2:25 PM
#181
Reply to Absurdo_N
@Kwanthemaster
Annict?
I just looked up this Japanese website for Japanese people and it literally has Simpsons classified as an anime by the Japanese themselves. Fascinating.
People fighting saying that anime is only Japanese and the Japanese themselves treating Simpsons as anime.
@Kwanthemaster thanks for the information.
Annict?
I just looked up this Japanese website for Japanese people and it literally has Simpsons classified as an anime by the Japanese themselves. Fascinating.
People fighting saying that anime is only Japanese and the Japanese themselves treating Simpsons as anime.
@Kwanthemaster thanks for the information.
@Absurdo_N Don't be obtuse, you should know by now that Japanese words mean different things in the west. That's how language works. Do you think that the Japanese use the word "hentai" like we do? They don't. In fact, they don't even have an equivalent: They use "ero-anime", which includes what we classify as both hentai and ecchi, but doesn't differentiate between them. Likewise, they also don't use the term "Visual Novel" like we do. |
Aug 5, 2:27 PM
#182
Reply to thewiru
@Absurdo_N
Don't be obtuse, you should know by now that Japanese words mean different things in the west.
That's how language works.
Do you think that the Japanese use the word "hentai" like we do? They don't. In fact, they don't even have an equivalent: They use "ero-anime", which includes what we classify as both hentai and ecchi, but doesn't differentiate between them.
Likewise, they also don't use the term "Visual Novel" like we do.
Don't be obtuse, you should know by now that Japanese words mean different things in the west.
That's how language works.
Do you think that the Japanese use the word "hentai" like we do? They don't. In fact, they don't even have an equivalent: They use "ero-anime", which includes what we classify as both hentai and ecchi, but doesn't differentiate between them.
Likewise, they also don't use the term "Visual Novel" like we do.
@thewiru "Don't be obtuse, you should know by now that Japanese words mean different things in the west. That's how language works. Do you think that the Japanese use the word "hentai" like we do? They don't. In fact, they don't even have an equivalent: They use "ero-anime", which includes what we classify as both hentai and ecchi, but doesn't differentiate between them. Likewise, they also don't use the term "Visual Novel" like we do." I know that, but it's really fun to see a mess like that. |
Aug 5, 2:29 PM
#183
I think we just need a separate site for all animation |
Aug 5, 2:33 PM
#184
Reply to nightjasmine
I think we just need a separate site for all animation
@nightjasmine I would much rather have that then the insane suggestions from some users in this thread to add all animations from every country on here but with filters. The website dedicated to anime should not be ruined because of this. The website My Anime List should be for anime only and anyone who says otherwise is doing so maliciously. |
Aug 5, 2:39 PM
#185
Reply to Kwanthemaster
@thewiru
The biggest issue is the feasibility of backfilling all of this work. There are no decent Western general-purpose animation databases (unless you use a film database like IMDb or Letterboxd), and MAL (or some other site), has the potential to fill this void. Annict (a Japanese-origin animation database) and Bangumi (a Chinese-origin animation database) have proven that it's possible to include animation from around the world, while still catering primarily to Japanese animation (refer to Bangumi's top ranking page: https://bangumi.tv/anime/browser?sort=rank). Sure, there is a decent argument to be made that more Western animation would rank higher here, but if filters are introduced, people could limit what they want to see.
The biggest issue is the feasibility of backfilling all of this work. There are no decent Western general-purpose animation databases (unless you use a film database like IMDb or Letterboxd), and MAL (or some other site), has the potential to fill this void. Annict (a Japanese-origin animation database) and Bangumi (a Chinese-origin animation database) have proven that it's possible to include animation from around the world, while still catering primarily to Japanese animation (refer to Bangumi's top ranking page: https://bangumi.tv/anime/browser?sort=rank). Sure, there is a decent argument to be made that more Western animation would rank higher here, but if filters are introduced, people could limit what they want to see.
Kwanthemaster said: The biggest issue is the feasibility of backfilling all of this work. True, but that didn't stop the admins from attempting to add webcomics and non-light novels to MAL. Thousands of entries remain pending... |
その目だれの目? |
Aug 5, 2:50 PM
#186
thewiru said: Don't be obtuse, you should know by now that Japanese words mean different things in the west. That's how language works. This is probably a pretty good example of the type of inconsistency around Western fans of Japan which causes pushback against arguments this thread is trying to make. To simultaneously suggest that anime must be Japanese in origin (and further, to use "anime is a japanese word" as a supporting reason do define it that way), but also use a Western definition of the term "anime" seems to be more than a bit contradictory. Especially when apparently the only important part of "anime" is it being Japanese, not the variety of stylistic, directorial, or narrative differences when compared to the West's historical library of animation. Japan clearly was doing something different than the rest of the world with their animations. But anime fans boiled it down to "being Japanese," rather than properly examining those differences and using them as the definition. If it's just about being Japanese, then MyAnimeList really is just a Weaboo site where people think Japan = good. |
Aug 5, 2:53 PM
#187
Reply to MYZIC
@nightjasmine I would much rather have that then the insane suggestions from some users in this thread to add all animations from every country on here but with filters.
The website dedicated to anime should not be ruined because of this.
The website My Anime List should be for anime only and anyone who says otherwise is doing so maliciously.
The website dedicated to anime should not be ruined because of this.
The website My Anime List should be for anime only and anyone who says otherwise is doing so maliciously.
MYZIC said: the insane suggestions from some users in this thread to add all animations from every country on here but with filters. I wouldn't mind that if I believed the mods were capable of such a thing. The mods are not capable of such a thing. MYZIC said: The website My Anime List should be for anime only and anyone who says otherwise is doing so maliciously. I will admit I don't have a high opinion of anyone who says Chinese and Japanese cartoons are all the same because they're made in The Orient™. Just as bad are people who say that American cartoons only count if they're "inspired" by anime, when the truth is that every cartoon made these days has something in common with anime. |
その目だれの目? |
Aug 5, 2:55 PM
#188
Reply to MYZIC
@nightjasmine I would much rather have that then the insane suggestions from some users in this thread to add all animations from every country on here but with filters.
The website dedicated to anime should not be ruined because of this.
The website My Anime List should be for anime only and anyone who says otherwise is doing so maliciously.
The website dedicated to anime should not be ruined because of this.
The website My Anime List should be for anime only and anyone who says otherwise is doing so maliciously.
@MYZIC Perhaps it's a bit of a money grab by MAL to try to cater to a wider audience, idk? I seriously would love a space to talk about animation from all over the world: French, African, Latvian, etc There are so many incredibly creative pieces out there. I so wish we could all chat about them and support all animators & storytellers more. |
Aug 5, 2:56 PM
#189
Reply to MYZIC
Kwanthemaster said:
but if filters are introduced
This is a website for anime, fuck off with the "just add everything with filters" argument.but if filters are introduced
@MYZIC Chinese and Korean works have been allowed on the website since day one. You're the one who is trying to change the intent of the site. |
Aug 5, 2:58 PM
#190
Reply to thewiru
Kwanthemaster said:
There are no decent Western general-purpose animation
There are no decent Western general-purpose animation
Not our problem.
We did our own, they should do their own if they care.
@thewiru It's something I, and others, are interested in (there are many anime fans who like animation from around the world), but yes, I've said many times that MAL may not be the best play for this, just that it could be. |
Aug 5, 4:03 PM
#191
Reply to valico
thewiru said:
Don't be obtuse, you should know by now that Japanese words mean different things in the west.
That's how language works.
Don't be obtuse, you should know by now that Japanese words mean different things in the west.
That's how language works.
This is probably a pretty good example of the type of inconsistency around Western fans of Japan which causes pushback against arguments this thread is trying to make. To simultaneously suggest that anime must be Japanese in origin (and further, to use "anime is a japanese word" as a supporting reason do define it that way), but also use a Western definition of the term "anime" seems to be more than a bit contradictory.
Especially when apparently the only important part of "anime" is it being Japanese, not the variety of stylistic, directorial, or narrative differences when compared to the West's historical library of animation. Japan clearly was doing something different than the rest of the world with their animations. But anime fans boiled it down to "being Japanese," rather than properly examining those differences and using them as the definition.
If it's just about being Japanese, then MyAnimeList really is just a Weaboo site where people think Japan = good.
valico said: This is probably a pretty good example of the type of inconsistency around Western fans of Japan which causes pushback against arguments this thread is trying to make. To simultaneously suggest that anime must be Japanese in origin (and further, to use "anime is a japanese word" as a supporting reason do define it that way), but also use a Western definition of the term "anime" seems to be more than a bit contradictory. Not a contradiction. That's like saying that planets not being wandering stars despite the word planet means "wandering star" or that galaxies aren't made out of milk are contradictions. valico said: Especially when apparently the only important part of "anime" is it being Japanese, not the variety of stylistic, directorial, or narrative differences when compared to the West's historical library of animation. Japan clearly was doing something different than the rest of the world with their animations. But anime fans boiled it down to "being Japanese," rather than properly examining those differences and using them as the definition. Those aren't separate things, I'll just quote myself here: thewiru said: You seem to come from a faulty premise that media is "continuous" instead of "discrete", that in the world you can choose an shape of any color. The world isn't like that: You gave green triangles and blue circles. Did you want a green circle? A red square? THOUGH LUCK, MY FRIEND. This is what I mean when I say "there is no alternative" or "nothing comes close": "The West" and "Anime" aren't trying to do the same thing. The stories and aesthetics that anime works with simply aren't being made in the west, there is no "green circle". thewiru said: HokutoMumyoZan kinda explained it with better words here: HokutoMumyoZan said: Anime was touted for doing all of the things "animation at home wouldn't touch", from progressive story arcs to having more "adult" topics and featuring all of the stuff that would make the FCC go on a crusade and siege studios like Jerusalem back in the day. Fans were also not hesitant to fight back either, voicing their protests and using their wallets as well as power of choice to really show their sway in equal measure. You gotta understand that the gap between what each produces is so big, and what the west produces so incompatible that if I put ten producers in a room and giving them the choice between making Choujuushin Gravion in the west or killing themselves, the ten would likely pull the trigger. Remember, even when copying things that already exist, were already made and proven successful, they fail (Death Note and Cowboy Bebop), so this enough should be a proof to you that the chances of those "growing from scratch" in the US are FUCKING ZERO. On a quick glance, there's nothing that would make something like Haibane Renmei incompatible of being done in the west... yet it wasn't. At a quick glance, there's nothing that would make incompatible for Kowloon Generic Romance to have been a western TV series instead... yet it wasn't. I read this tweet yesterday, and it reminded me of something I called "The Bulma Effect", coming from the fact that the character of Bulma in "Dragon Ball Evolution" has a single strand of hair painted green, as if a trace amount of the original, a vestigial remain of it after most of what was seen as "non-western" was removed. A similar thing would be certain props that the characters in NETFLIX's version of Kakegurui wear, even though they no longer have anything to do with the original ones and should've just left those. My example with the gun might have seemed absurd, but is it really when it's clear that they act towards anime how an hydrophobic acts towards water? Honestly, Ralph Bakshi put it in better words (Or lack of thereof) than I ever could: If the west thinks that "anime" is just a "coat of paint" that you put on top of something, and not the content, the soul of such thing, then you're NGMI. You seem to have trouble comprehending the concept of "for historical reasons", hence why you fail to understand why a website such as MAL exists instead of we all being in "general animation websites". valico said: If it's just about being Japanese, then MyAnimeList really is just a Weaboo site where people think Japan = good. No shit? Discovered this today? Once again: Your entire logic is wrong because you think that green circles and red squares exist. |
thewiruAug 5, 4:13 PM
Aug 5, 5:01 PM
#192
thewiru said: I assume you would want MAL to be flooded with American animation as well, then? Not understanding the difference between western animation and asian animation is just trying stupid at best. |
Aug 5, 5:14 PM
#193
Reply to KenaiPhoenix
thewiru said:
I assume you would want MAL to be flooded with American animation as well, then?
I assume you would want MAL to be flooded with American animation as well, then?
Not understanding the difference between western animation and asian animation is just trying stupid at best.
@KenaiPhoenix India is a south Asian country, so are animations from India anime now? :) |
Aug 5, 5:33 PM
#194
Reply to MYZIC
@KenaiPhoenix India is a south Asian country, so are animations from India anime now? :)
@MYZIC MAL needs to add this Indian cartoon now! |
HACKs! 🤢🤮 |
Aug 5, 5:40 PM
#195
Reply to MYZIC
@KenaiPhoenix India is a south Asian country, so are animations from India anime now? :)
@MYZIC Only China, Japan and Korea. They have shared culture and also animators for all 3 countries participate the most in creating anime. Lots of Japanese anime get outsourced to Chinese studio and as of now bilibili have become a major producer for anime despite being a chinese production house. This 3 countries are interlinked in their creative process. |
Aug 5, 5:41 PM
#196
Reply to MYZIC
@nightjasmine I would much rather have that then the insane suggestions from some users in this thread to add all animations from every country on here but with filters.
The website dedicated to anime should not be ruined because of this.
The website My Anime List should be for anime only and anyone who says otherwise is doing so maliciously.
The website dedicated to anime should not be ruined because of this.
The website My Anime List should be for anime only and anyone who says otherwise is doing so maliciously.
@MYZIC, the general stance is not adding ALL animation of every country onto MAL. The general stance is to preserve the current pool of Chinese/Korean animation-related works and add features to distinguish between them. Not removing them. MYZIC said: The website dedicated to anime should not be ruined because of this. Japanese animation is here. It always has been on here. It's not ruined. MYZIC said: The website My Anime List should be for anime only and anyone who says otherwise is doing so maliciously. Have you ever thought that people would like to watch other type of works and happen to discover some on here? |
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Aug 5, 5:43 PM
#197
Reply to LordSozin
@MYZIC, the general stance is not adding ALL animation of every country onto MAL. The general stance is to preserve the current pool of Chinese/Korean animation-related works and add features to distinguish between them. Not removing them.
Japanese animation is here. It always has been on here. It's not ruined.
Have you ever thought that people would like to watch other type of works and happen to discover some on here?
MYZIC said:
The website dedicated to anime should not be ruined because of this.
The website dedicated to anime should not be ruined because of this.
Japanese animation is here. It always has been on here. It's not ruined.
MYZIC said:
The website My Anime List should be for anime only and anyone who says otherwise is doing so maliciously.
The website My Anime List should be for anime only and anyone who says otherwise is doing so maliciously.
Have you ever thought that people would like to watch other type of works and happen to discover some on here?
LordSozin said: This is a site for anime, not other types of works.Have you ever thought that people would like to watch other type of works |
Aug 5, 5:46 PM
#198
Reply to MYZIC
LordSozin said:
Have you ever thought that people would like to watch other type of works
This is a site for anime, not other types of works.Have you ever thought that people would like to watch other type of works
MYZIC said: By your logic all Manga and Light Novel should also be removed.This is a site for anime, not other types of works. |
Aug 5, 5:52 PM
#199
thewiru said: Not a contradiction. That's like saying that planets not being wandering stars despite the word planet means "wandering star" or that galaxies aren't made out of milk are contradictions. Those terms ARE contradictory meanings though lol. Planets being specifically not what the word means IS a contradiction, even if we still use the word (which I would assume was coined out of ignorance in early astronomy). If we were discussing the validity of the word planet for the star-orbiting celestial bodies, we probably wouldn't be in favor of it for any other reason than tradition. If we're making arguments for why anime should mean "Japanese," then using "anime is a Japanese word" but specifically not using the Japanese meaning for "anime" doesn't establish solid groundwork for support. It just shows that the adherence to Japanese origin being a significant factor is spotty and cherry picked at best. I'd even say that it establishes a better argument for the concept of "American anime" better than "anime means from Japan", since "American anime" would be an English reinterpretation of Japanese animation, much like "anime means Japanese animation" is a Western interpretation of of the Japanese term "anime" which just means "animation" in Japan. |
valicoAug 5, 8:10 PM
Aug 5, 6:09 PM
#200
thewiru said: Once again: Your entire logic is wrong because you think that green circles and red squares exist. I just realized the rest of your comment was also replying to me lol. I also disagree with this though. I think people would have said the same thing you're talking about with like JRPGs. The term has largely departed from meaning "made in Japan" and now is indicative of an RPG that adheres to design components popularized by Japanese RPGs in early video games. Now "JRPGs" come from all over the world, and, much like planets not being wandering stars, are not Japanese role playing games. Also we aren't even necessarily talking about the West. This topic is a targeting Chinese (and probably Korean as well) animations, which are not nearly as distant to Japanese animations as the West currently is. But even Western indie studio Otaku Vs has managed to put together a short which, if not made obvious well beforehand, would not throw any flags as being Western in origin. The gap is closing as Japanese animations proliferate permeate the global culture more and more. (For the record, I don't give a shit what MAL allows on its site. I think MAL is annoying to use so I track on Anilist, and I'm only on the forums because people actually post here and occasionally discuss anime.) |
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