Attack on Titan
| eren, reiner and probably floch. |
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| Erwin,Eren and Floch |
| THE ONE PIECE IS REAL!!! |
| most likely the Yeagers |
 ๐๐ฐ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ต๐ช๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ด ๐ธ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐ ๐ค๐ญ๐ฐ๐ด๐ฆ ๐ฎ๐บ ๐ฆ๐บ๐ฆ๐ด, ๐ ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ’๐ต ๐ด๐ฆ๐ฆ. |
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| 1. Eren 2. Reiner 3. Zeke |
Reply to riqmoran
vinnywizanime said:
So, you've given an argument. Doesn't work i would say, titans dont end, the whole Titan passing still doesnt end, the 50 year plan was not trustworthy. Yelena was talking about military bases to be attacked which eren didnt settle for, and why should he? You think they wont develop a counter Technology? Real world nukes blow the fuck out of those rumbling titans, 1960s was it when the first nuke was made? Marley had tech like in 1920-1930s, now add the pressure of rumbling at your doors, things speed up, well have specific anti-rumbling titan tech or bombs or nukes to fuck paradis up. Paradis tech is pretty
weak compared to the outside world aside from their Titans, which eren took away in the end (what an idiot i would say, man didnt care for Paradis, just his friends).
riqmoran said:
ok now for the real answer.
fight back. The present day Eldeans are innocent and have the right of self defense. They do not have to lay down and die to appease the rest of the world which we already established does not have any rightful claim to a moral highground whatsoever.
The way they would fight back is by unleashing a partial rumbling that targets all known military installations around the world in addition to oil rigs and any other such strategic targets, minimizing casualties where possible. This buys time until they can negotiate and gain the acknowledgment of the developed world as a legitimate state.
Why doesnt Eren do this? Idk, maybe the author wanted to force his ending and made Eren stupidly or selfishly, take your pick, hijack the whole operation and doom everyone. Just plot induced stupidity if you asked me.
ok now for the real answer.
fight back. The present day Eldeans are innocent and have the right of self defense. They do not have to lay down and die to appease the rest of the world which we already established does not have any rightful claim to a moral highground whatsoever.
The way they would fight back is by unleashing a partial rumbling that targets all known military installations around the world in addition to oil rigs and any other such strategic targets, minimizing casualties where possible. This buys time until they can negotiate and gain the acknowledgment of the developed world as a legitimate state.
Why doesnt Eren do this? Idk, maybe the author wanted to force his ending and made Eren stupidly or selfishly, take your pick, hijack the whole operation and doom everyone. Just plot induced stupidity if you asked me.
So, you've given an argument. Doesn't work i would say, titans dont end, the whole Titan passing still doesnt end, the 50 year plan was not trustworthy. Yelena was talking about military bases to be attacked which eren didnt settle for, and why should he? You think they wont develop a counter Technology? Real world nukes blow the fuck out of those rumbling titans, 1960s was it when the first nuke was made? Marley had tech like in 1920-1930s, now add the pressure of rumbling at your doors, things speed up, well have specific anti-rumbling titan tech or bombs or nukes to fuck paradis up. Paradis tech is pretty
weak compared to the outside world aside from their Titans, which eren took away in the end (what an idiot i would say, man didnt care for Paradis, just his friends).
why do titans need to end. because of their military threat.
but you just stated that technological development would eclipse the threat posed by titans very soon. so then why do titans need to end? that is why i prefaced my answer earlier, because this is a question that needs an answer based in objective morality.
and your assumption of the rest of the world developing technology rapidly is wrong. thats literally the whole entire point of the partial rumbling. to stunt the worlds technological progress so Paradis can catch up, but also broker deals and establish alliances. if all your key infrastructure gets stomped on you cant just immediately get nukes. that is the whole entire strategic advantage of the rumbling. you can use it to stunlock the world.
Also, just because you see the tide turning in the future doesnt mean there is no point in fighting for your life today. that is absurd.
now let me guess. your next argument is that if more people die then that is a worse outcome for humanity and therefore one side should just give up and die, so the bigger population should survive.
| @riqmoran Late reply but here it goes i guess. Titans shouldnt only end bcz of their military threat, but also as to the whole titan passing thing, which is extremely messed up in the first place, if the world develops a tech like to counter it, theyll still try to exploit other eldians with what they could do with regeneration and what not, in real world id expect a more imperialistic situation, just like what Marley did, they werent the most tech advanced like the other nations (although better than paradis except odm gears) but they had their titans and wanted the founder to also have power, eldians could be like peppered throughout the world for them to be used, its still f/ed up. I dont disagree with your second last line, ofc every eldian has the right to say f the euthanasia plan, i would too. Ofc i believe eldians shouldnt sit back and let themselves be killed, they should stand their ground, which is why i never understood how ppl could compare yeagerists to nazis, like wtf? They are diff situations. So, no, i could never say something spineless as that one side giving up just like that. Zekes euthanasia is very very messed up, but i still prefer it to the 50 year plan. Its a very sure way. |
Reply to KluchAa
vinnywizanime said:
I dont like the idea of Eren basically killing his mother, at one point Eren says everything happened as he wanted when hes doing the rumbling, but in the ending he's so confused. Basically, regardless of the future memory influence, he said he wanted those things anyway. Also, the whole thing of doing the rumbling to "flatten the world" bcz of armins book is weird bcz Eren said he forgot and set aside that dream, and was only focused on revenge but suddenly its the driving force behind the rumbling? I think Eren's writing is a bit inconsistent, but doesn't change the fact hes still well written. I just took a point off bcz of this, i think his character arc doesn't end as well as Zeke, Floch, & Erwin.
KluchAa said:
Idk I never understood the switch up after the ending what u dont like abt him in the end?
Idk I never understood the switch up after the ending what u dont like abt him in the end?
I dont like the idea of Eren basically killing his mother, at one point Eren says everything happened as he wanted when hes doing the rumbling, but in the ending he's so confused. Basically, regardless of the future memory influence, he said he wanted those things anyway. Also, the whole thing of doing the rumbling to "flatten the world" bcz of armins book is weird bcz Eren said he forgot and set aside that dream, and was only focused on revenge but suddenly its the driving force behind the rumbling? I think Eren's writing is a bit inconsistent, but doesn't change the fact hes still well written. I just took a point off bcz of this, i think his character arc doesn't end as well as Zeke, Floch, & Erwin.
I thought you gonna say eren is a bih or cucck or shi like that but alr
1.how can 1 dislike this twist???? it's so peak ๐ฅน it's symbolic eren sacraficing his personal heart for a collective fate n shi like this it's peak
2.i think you misread a very subtle moment
when eren says "everything happend as i wanted" he's masking his true pain behind cold fatalism he's pretendung he choose it but by the end he literally Breaks down to armin and says that he didnt want ts that he didnt know what else to do that he dosent want to mikas to move on (me n eren twins fr) bla bla bla shi like this the whole arc he's pretending to be the villan to become the shield of the world on sum lelouch shi i lwk should become a poet. Isayama shows how ideology and revenge destroy a person from the inside (Isayama is so goated holy โ๏ธ๐ฅน)
3. Yes it did Come from the book that's why ot's tragic this whole show is too tragic idk what was Isayama on but I fw, eren saying he forgot the book shows thathe lost the dream of freedom to trauma and war and after he reached the paths and saw the future, that old dream dream of being free outside walls resurfaced but now twisted he realized "if I destroy everything i can finally walk freely jist like the Bird in armin's book" that's why eren walks alone, barefoot under the open sky it's a dream prevented by genocide (oscs)
so it's a peak tragic symbolism
so yeah I respect your opinion n shi but eren ending was peak writing โ๏ธ๐ฅน
| @KluchAa 1. I dislike it really, it was a good twist and f eren for doing that jesus. What is he "fighting" for then? Does he really think his friends are more important than his mom? 2. I dont think theres a sure answer to this, why couldnt it be a reverse cope altogether, that knowing how fucked up things he did, "na man, memories messed me up", thats a pretty human response to avoid hard guilt. Why couldnt it be this? 3. Why the hell does he think of his mom being eaten when attacking marley during the rumbling, that felt like a vengeance motive (but eren let his mom be eaten, so why is he thinking of his mom like that?) Weird, that is a clear inconsistency. I really dont believe ending eren is peak, also the whole breakdown was weird, ofc i get why he cries for his adopted sis moving on, but not the other things hes done makes him cry. Out of all- KILLING YOUR MOM, TRAMPLING 80 PERCENT HUMANITY. "Mikasa finding another man? This manbun should make her simp for me for 10 years atleast!" Eren had plenty stuff which is tough to write i would say, but i dont think its nailed. Hence, he loses top 3 for me. |
| Literally none. All are trash. |
| Eren, Erwin, Zeke. Grisha and Reiner are honorable mentions. Floch and Gabi are also well written characters for sure. |
| If you win, you live, if you lose, you die. If you don't fight, you can't win. |
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