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traed said:
Different etymologies with different implications. "Cartoon" is from French "carton" or Italian "cartone". The original meaning was rough sketches before the more detailed work of an artist. This later came to mean newspaper political drawings which then became satirical. Because all the early animation in the US was comedic the term "cartoon" is associated with non serious things that don't really tell full length stories other than a comedic nature, which wasn't much a thing till decades later. This is why the term "cartoon" is avoided in the West for more serious stories or stuff meant to have a wider audience where "animated series/film/short" such as in "animated film", "animated series", and "Japanese animation" which became "Japanimation" which later was swapped for "anime" is used instead. Likewise Japan mostly abandoned using 漫画 for animated works in favour of アニメ at some point later on where the term 漫画 was just meant for printed works. So cartoon while technically on paper just means animation in practice it has a more narrow meaning.
Meusnier said:
According to MAL, anime is just cartoons produced by Japan, South Korea, or China. 动画、アニメ、or dessins animés are all the same thing. It is like saying that Japanese film makers are doing something completely different than movies called 映画... Or people who insists that Chinese and Korean manga are not like manga (those people typically insist to call them manwha/manhua as if it mattered... How snobbish of them). The style may be different, but the underlying principle is the same.
According to MAL, anime is just cartoons produced by Japan, South Korea, or China. 动画、アニメ、or dessins animés are all the same thing. It is like saying that Japanese film makers are doing something completely different than movies called 映画... Or people who insists that Chinese and Korean manga are not like manga (those people typically insist to call them manwha/manhua as if it mattered... How snobbish of them). The style may be different, but the underlying principle is the same.
Different etymologies with different implications. "Cartoon" is from French "carton" or Italian "cartone". The original meaning was rough sketches before the more detailed work of an artist. This later came to mean newspaper political drawings which then became satirical. Because all the early animation in the US was comedic the term "cartoon" is associated with non serious things that don't really tell full length stories other than a comedic nature, which wasn't much a thing till decades later. This is why the term "cartoon" is avoided in the West for more serious stories or stuff meant to have a wider audience where "animated series/film/short" such as in "animated film", "animated series", and "Japanese animation" which became "Japanimation" which later was swapped for "anime" is used instead. Likewise Japan mostly abandoned using 漫画 for animated works in favour of アニメ at some point later on where the term 漫画 was just meant for printed works. So cartoon while technically on paper just means animation in practice it has a more narrow meaning.
You are a monolingual drone and there are no fundamental differences between cartoons and anime.
fleurbleue said:
@Meusnier I asked why it is wrong but you then proceed by not answering and merely continue to say it is wrong... But whatever, your accusation about me having low morals is laughable when you are basically saying that the moral thing to do is to force people to suffer against their will.
@Meusnier I asked why it is wrong but you then proceed by not answering and merely continue to say it is wrong... But whatever, your accusation about me having low morals is laughable when you are basically saying that the moral thing to do is to force people to suffer against their will.
We already know that you have low morals, but this is not a fundamental point. Have you read this last sentence out loud after writing it? Asking someone to kill you because you are suffering is in no way something moral to do. The moral course of action on both sides is to do nothing. You can even see that in terms of Nash equilibrium.
| @Meusnier You see it as immoral for a terminally ill patient to wish for their death, but does it make it any less immoral to let them suffer? What my morality tell me is that humans shouldn't suffer unnecessarily, and that they should get what is required to help them. Obviously, death isn't the solution in almost all cases. But with terminally ill patients, it can be. You were the one that mentioned palliative care. You would be surprised how many intentional morphine overdoses are given in these places. Assisted-aid in dying always has been around, it was only done under the table. |
fleurbleue said: @Meusnier You see it as immoral for a terminally ill patient to wish for their death, but does it make it any less immoral to let them suffer? What my morality tell me is that humans shouldn't suffer unnecessarily, and that they should get what is required to help them. Obviously, death isn't the solution in almost all cases. But with terminally ill patients, it can be. You were the one that mentioned palliative care. You would be surprised how many intentional morphine overdoses are given in these places. Assisted-aid in dying always has been around, it was only done under the table. Wishing that suffering ends is not immoral, only killing yourself or worse, asking someone to kill you would be. Offering moral support is the only thing that you can do and you did not cause the said suffering. And in many cases, the one in pain brought it on himself (smokers with lung cancer, people who eat like pigs with heart issues, etc). In all cases, the idea of having to commit murder to alleviate the suffering of someone else is unjustifiable. |
| And all that money is pointless when Near Term Human Extinction arrives. |
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LoveYourSmile said: Meusnier said: Wishing that suffering ends is not immoral, only killing yourself or worse, asking someone to kill you would be. Killing is an act, but whether it is immoral depends on the context and intent behind it. Morality lies in the thought process behind the action. And in this case, you have just demonstrated a moral thought process - the desire to end someone's suffering. So what exactly is the immoral part? Meusnier said: And in many cases, the one in pain brought it on himself (smokers with lung cancer, people who eat like pigs with heart issues, etc). Is the fact that someone contributed to their suffering a justification for withholding compassion? Even if so, this is a manipulative generalization. You surely know that not all suffering is self-inflicted. I will spare you examples from children's hospices. Meusnier said: In all cases, the idea of having to commit murder to alleviate the suffering of someone else is unjustifiable. That's an even stronger moral claim than your first. Yet there are many justifications for killing that don't even involve alleviating suffering - so why should it be universally wrong when suffering is at stake? I'm not necessarily advocating for death, but if you are making a universal moral claim, I expect you to justify why this would be wrong in all ethical frameworks, not just within a Christian perspective. It surely does not. If the idea of committing murder does not disgust you to the core, you may have already lost your connection to God. If you dislike the idea of objective morality, the golden rule (not necessarily of Kant) is more than enough. But long forgotten are the days when I seriously argued about morality, for I have understood that for such topics, intuition is enough to know what are the correct moral choices. I believe that for less serious topics, individuals may have different moral viewpoints, but the main point is that one should avoid doing anything that would taint his soul, and murder has no chance to leave it immaculate (cf. Death Note; this is an anime forum, so I hope that you will not mind this trivial example—Raskolnikov was too obvious one). In a non-religious context, I think that Proust phrased best what objective morality is truly about: I hope that you can relate to what Proust explains in this passage. I agree that this sentence was not very charitable. You can and should have some compassion, but this sentence had to be understood in the context of euthanasia. What are the examples where murder is justified? I remember about one of your posts about relationships, it was one of your best ones. You said that it was easy to say that you are busy, to forget to buy flowers for your spouse, etc, and when you wrote this, you clearly expressed your belief in the objective morality when it comes to showing your love and care for someone. Why does it differ with this topic? Again, I need not justify it from the perspective you prefer, but I should point out that Christian moral principles must come after your moral intuitions to reaffirm them. I do not believe that murder is wrong because I am (an aspiring) Christian, but I want to become a Christian to be a better person (John 14:6). Likewise, sin is not a magical, ethereal concept invented by priests, but a physical sensation that is as primal and strong as fear. I have felt this way all my life since I was a child although I have never received any kind of religious education. You might argue that it is important to overcome some fears, but when it comes to sin, ignoring the intuition that suggests you that you are about to cause irremediable damage to your soul would be immensely foolish. |
Meusnier said: If the idea of committing murder does not disgust you to the core, you may have already lost your connection to God. Human euthanasia isn't murder though, it's consensual assistance in suicide. |
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Trillion Game is the best anime of Fall 2024 by the way.
I liked so much Batman as a kid that I even had a movie poster of The Dark Knight in my bedroom (Teminator and Underworld were the two other movie posters). But when I grew up, I realised that he should have instead used his wealth to fix social inequality. Sorry to be more left-wing (God forbid) than a Québecois...
I hope that the third is a joke.
I could watch him eating cookies all day.
Is it a good One Piece movie?
I agree with you. What do you think of Maurizio Pollini? He is my favourite pianist for Chopin's Études.
The software that he created is helpful, but the coding language is quite awful and there are better (free) alternatives. His general philosophy is quite despicable to be honest too. And physiognomy should tell you immediately which software is the best.
If my thread gets closed, I will blame you (I did not ruin your distasteful thread on "curiosity killing," so please don't try to ruin mine...). No one should be killed, not even the war veterans or the people who suffer from depression (controversial viewpoint in Babylon-like Canada). You don't fix an unjust system by treating its effects instead of its causes.
You are right, but your googlefu is surely getting tiring.
As much as I dislike him as a person, if he succeeds in the Mars mission, no one will remember about the bad political takes and silly memes. Will you let him have a chip in your brain by the way?
Best reply of the thread so far. We need to start many a Lazarus Project to revive all the great scientists of the past (starting with Archimedes, Euclid, Descartes, and Newton). It is crazy to think that people like @fleurbleue want to reenact this scene with the Illusive Man...
(It was hard to find a version with MaleShep, I guess that most gamers today choose a female character to watch her bottom while they play... But FemShep's VA is quite annoying while MaleShep's VA is amazing.)
I had never heard about him, thanks for mentioning this (obscure) figure, I will look him up in more detail later!
fleurbleue said:
Definitely Batman, he's a billionaire and a vigilante (oopsie, I said the forbidden word).
Definitely Batman, he's a billionaire and a vigilante (oopsie, I said the forbidden word).
I liked so much Batman as a kid that I even had a movie poster of The Dark Knight in my bedroom (Teminator and Underworld were the two other movie posters). But when I grew up, I realised that he should have instead used his wealth to fix social inequality. Sorry to be more left-wing (God forbid) than a Québecois...
149597871 said:
Christian Gray, Tony Stark, and George Soros.
Christian Gray, Tony Stark, and George Soros.
I hope that the third is a joke.
LoveYourSmile said:
Charlie Munger, for many reasons really.
Charlie Munger, for many reasons really.
I could watch him eating cookies all day.
Is it a good One Piece movie?
philtecturophy said:
Becoming a billionaire is not really that inspiring to me, and never really interest me of what billionaires do, and how do they become one. Most of them are dirty bastards anyway. They are just another person, nothing special. As in my country, the majority of rich people are corruptors. The recent case in my country, corruption billions of USD causing about USD 18.500.000.000 natural disaster, only get sentence to prison for 6 years, while a poor old lady steal a few woods got sentenced into 1 year prison. Let's not forget to mention the prison for corruptors are VIP with AC, TV, wifi, and probably.other special treatments (pool table and bar maybe?), and perhaps reduce in sentence time in the middle if good behaving. That corruptor btw bought a private jet for his son birthday. Justice is very dead here. Literally the law is pissed by the rich. It always amaze me how dirty the law can be bent to profit the haves.
Anyway, what actually always interest and inspire me is to see great classical pianists such as Yundi Li, Kissin, Seong-Jin Cho, and Dmitry Shishkin (my new favorite pianist: his Chopin etude op.10 no 2 is simply out of this world)
Becoming a billionaire is not really that inspiring to me, and never really interest me of what billionaires do, and how do they become one. Most of them are dirty bastards anyway. They are just another person, nothing special. As in my country, the majority of rich people are corruptors. The recent case in my country, corruption billions of USD causing about USD 18.500.000.000 natural disaster, only get sentence to prison for 6 years, while a poor old lady steal a few woods got sentenced into 1 year prison. Let's not forget to mention the prison for corruptors are VIP with AC, TV, wifi, and probably.other special treatments (pool table and bar maybe?), and perhaps reduce in sentence time in the middle if good behaving. That corruptor btw bought a private jet for his son birthday. Justice is very dead here. Literally the law is pissed by the rich. It always amaze me how dirty the law can be bent to profit the haves.
Anyway, what actually always interest and inspire me is to see great classical pianists such as Yundi Li, Kissin, Seong-Jin Cho, and Dmitry Shishkin (my new favorite pianist: his Chopin etude op.10 no 2 is simply out of this world)
I agree with you. What do you think of Maurizio Pollini? He is my favourite pianist for Chopin's Études.
The software that he created is helpful, but the coding language is quite awful and there are better (free) alternatives. His general philosophy is quite despicable to be honest too. And physiognomy should tell you immediately which software is the best.
fleurbleue said:
Oh no! You didn't listen to OP and made it political! (but you've yet to say they should be killed so I guess it's still fine?)
philtecturophy said:
Becoming a billionaire is not really that inspiring to me, and never really interest me of what billionaires do, and how do they become one. Most of them are dirty bastards anyway. They are just another person, nothing special. As in my country, the majority of rich people are corruptors. The recent case in my country, corruption billions of USD causing about USD 18.500.000.000 natural disaster, only get sentence to prison for 6 years, while a poor old lady steal a few woods got sentenced into 1 year prison. Let's not forget to mention the prison for corruptors are VIP with AC, TV, wifi, and probably.other special treatments (pool table and bar maybe?), and perhaps reduce in sentence time in the middle if good behaving. That corruptor btw bought a private jet for his son birthday. Justice is very dead here. Literally the law is pissed by the rich. It always amaze me how dirty the law can be bent to profit the haves.
Becoming a billionaire is not really that inspiring to me, and never really interest me of what billionaires do, and how do they become one. Most of them are dirty bastards anyway. They are just another person, nothing special. As in my country, the majority of rich people are corruptors. The recent case in my country, corruption billions of USD causing about USD 18.500.000.000 natural disaster, only get sentence to prison for 6 years, while a poor old lady steal a few woods got sentenced into 1 year prison. Let's not forget to mention the prison for corruptors are VIP with AC, TV, wifi, and probably.other special treatments (pool table and bar maybe?), and perhaps reduce in sentence time in the middle if good behaving. That corruptor btw bought a private jet for his son birthday. Justice is very dead here. Literally the law is pissed by the rich. It always amaze me how dirty the law can be bent to profit the haves.
Oh no! You didn't listen to OP and made it political! (but you've yet to say they should be killed so I guess it's still fine?)
If my thread gets closed, I will blame you (I did not ruin your distasteful thread on "curiosity killing," so please don't try to ruin mine...). No one should be killed, not even the war veterans or the people who suffer from depression (controversial viewpoint in Babylon-like Canada). You don't fix an unjust system by treating its effects instead of its causes.
traed said:
Can't think of any at the moment. Many so called philanthropists just do it as a form of money laundering, tax evasion and PR stunts or even if they have good intents the money is not efficiently used in the most needed places unfortunately.
Can't think of any at the moment. Many so called philanthropists just do it as a form of money laundering, tax evasion and PR stunts or even if they have good intents the money is not efficiently used in the most needed places unfortunately.
You are right, but your googlefu is surely getting tiring.
jennicide said:
Elon Musk because he's gonna take the US to Mars, and from there we will conquer the galaxy with our Tesla droid army.
Elon Musk because he's gonna take the US to Mars, and from there we will conquer the galaxy with our Tesla droid army.
As much as I dislike him as a person, if he succeeds in the Mars mission, no one will remember about the bad political takes and silly memes. Will you let him have a chip in your brain by the way?
Soverign said:
The Illusive Man from Mass Effect.
The Illusive Man from Mass Effect.
President-elect Donald Trump said on Sunday he would nominate billionaire investor Stephen Feinberg to serve as deputy secretary of defense.
Feinberg is the co-chief executive of Cerberus Capital Management LP,
Feinberg is the co-chief executive of Cerberus Capital Management LP,
Best reply of the thread so far. We need to start many a Lazarus Project to revive all the great scientists of the past (starting with Archimedes, Euclid, Descartes, and Newton). It is crazy to think that people like @fleurbleue want to reenact this scene with the Illusive Man...
(It was hard to find a version with MaleShep, I guess that most gamers today choose a female character to watch her bottom while they play... But FemShep's VA is quite annoying while MaleShep's VA is amazing.)
MalchikRepaid said:
Nichiko Niwano, the head of the Buddhist organization by the name, Risshō Kōsei Kai.
He's not a billionaire per se, but more like a custodian of the wealth that forms this reputable organization that works internationally in the field of charity works in Asia.
Nichiko Niwano, the head of the Buddhist organization by the name, Risshō Kōsei Kai.
He's not a billionaire per se, but more like a custodian of the wealth that forms this reputable organization that works internationally in the field of charity works in Asia.
I had never heard about him, thanks for mentioning this (obscure) figure, I will look him up in more detail later!
| @Meusnier I already have the chip, I'm a Musk bot whose sole purpose is to promote Martian supremacy and meme coins |
| None because no billionaire are billionaires because they are respectable people. They got there because they screwed hundreds of people over and probably buried dozens more. |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
| I don't have a favorite billionaire at all, since I'm too apathetic against what they do. I don't really have the mind to focus on what people do that I can't influence either way. Warren Buffet has some inspiring quotes, but I can't think of one right now. Other than that, I'm mostly thankful for the following billionaires: Dietrich Mateschitz - died in October 2022 but the Red Bull billionaire was the one who has allowed for a mainstream and government-critical, private TV station Servus TV. Unlike other TV stations it actually allowed for critical voices to be heard, like during the "pandemic". I also liked the documentaries with Prof. Dr. Dr. Martin Haditsch who has been traveling around the world during that time and got to talk with other medical specialists from around the world. Dieter Schwarz - probably the most famous person from my city. He has not only made Lidl and Kaufland quite successful and helped with the infrastructure here quite some bit, but he's also created a big IT empire with its own top level domain, own cloud and own security solutions. I may not fully agree with everything they do, but it's commendable to have an alternative besides having all the data just saved on US-American servers. Also, I find it admirable how he can live in private without people recognizing him since there are hardly any photos of him. |
| None, but would it be me if i was a billionaire |
Serafos said: None from real life. Maybe Augustus Caesar and Genghis Khan, if you adjust for inflation. |
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