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Jul 1, 7:22 PM

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Honestly, just the the fact you say "pedo stuff" show all your criticism is invalid.
@Cielord

is there not pedo stuff in the show? or are we watching a different series.
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KillLaKillGOAT said:
I just started watching it and I’m on ep 21 and so far I’m really loving it. What I think it does really well is…

Characters: Mushoku Tensei so far has just had really memorable and well developed characters to me. Eris especially has very natural development over the course of the first season, going from a selfish violent brat to a more caring and considerate girl. She grew up a lot, which was very nice to see. Ruijerd is interesting in his black and white morality and how what he says and does makes sense for the kind of character he is. Roxy I have no idea why I like her so much, but she’s incredibly likeable with good development even with her limited screentime. The episode where she visited her parents after so long hit me in the feels a bit. And finally Rudeus. Oh Rudeus you are certainly a fellow. Rudeus is as flawed a character as you can get, but it makes him interesting. He can be quite the scumbag, but he also develops and tries to become a better person. It’s a balance between this awfulness and heart that I like about him. He’s a different protagonist from the norm, which I appreciate. I personally think he’s a good main character.

World: Now I’m not much of a worldbuilding guy, but the world of Mushoku Tensei is gorgeous with just enough interesting things going on that make you want to know more, like the mana disaster stuff or the different languages across the world. Little things like the travelling merchants that bring goods around like the Roxy figure also make the world feel connected.

Vibe: Mushoku Tensei captures that adventure vibe perfectly. It really feels like they are in this fantasy world and are really journeying around, due in part to the great world design.

Production: Mushoku Tensei has often jaw-droppingly beautiful animation and art direction that really sells its world. The action when it comes up is very entertaining and the general background art is phenomenal. Lastly, the music. It captures that fantasy feeling as well as fantasy music can.

Story: I’ve already gone on long enough but I’ll just say that watching Rudeus and the cast as they actually grow up is uncommon in media in general. Tie that in with a grand adventure and it makes for a compelling story.

I went into Mushoku Tensei with moderate expectations knowing it’s controversial reputation and it’s exceeded my expectations exponentially. I’m surprised at how much I’m loving it so far. The conclusion I draw is that I guess it just isn’t for you. It’s certainly not for everyone considering it’s general perversion. Sometimes we just don’t like things that a lot of people like. I don’t like Monster for instance, but I don’t think it’s a bad show, it just wasn’t for me.

Literally couldn’t have said any of this better myself. Good summation of all the points.
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Kenzolo-folk said:
i went back to watching mushoku tensei because I dropped it cuz the pedophilia stuff was creeping me out. i gave it another chance cuz i thought maybe I was being smooth brained for letting my personal biases cloud my judgement, and people kept saying that besides the weird stuff the story is actually a masterpiece.

Where??

I'm at season 2 and this shit is still mid as fuck. I just want to know what amazing development, worldbuilding, storytelling genius is going on here?
Most importantly season 1, it has an 8.37 on mal but this shit is still an average isekai to me.

also so i dont get banned for the 6th time lets try not to mention the pedo stuff im just talking about the story in general.
Before someone says "why do u care so much" "its just ur personal taste" im just saying im surprised cuz my taste is usually mainstream as fuck, like I usually enjoy stuff most people like. so i wanna know what aspect of this story is so appealing to people and why im missing it?

Aside from the obviously controversial topics…

After reading your comments, it really just looks like this anime is just not your cup of tea, which is not bad, but it is other peoples’ cup or tea, which is also not bad.

(again not referring to the controversial topics)

You seem to be the type of person to judge anime based on “surface level similarities,” saying something like, “It is just another isekai with an OP MC who learns magic and gets a harem, nothing special”, but this just reveals that your ability to judge anime is limited, since you can’t even see the differences in each Isekai anime that make them unique in their own way.

For example, if I mentioned …

— Rudeus & Sylphie were learning magic together, like kids playing with a new toy. That Sylphie was able to pick up the non-verbal casting, so it wasn’t just some special skill limited to the MC, but others could do it. That later the MC had to recognize that he couldn’t use magic that Sylphie was good at using, because it meant that the MC was not OP, just powerful in what he himself could do.

— Ghislaine, an experienced and powerful warrior, was humble enough to admit that she was uneducated, but wanted to improve herself by learning things like reading and math.

— That it was cute seeing Eris & Rudeus work hard on learning to dance, especially funny that Eris had two left feet, then to see them impress all the guests, even though no one thought it was possible.

Would you actually consider my perspective?

I believe that you would just say that none of this mattered.

Fine, you are free to have your own opinion, but I am also free to have my own opinion.

I enjoyed things about this anime, in the end, that is really all that matters, not what other people think of me for liking the anime or that other people did not like the anime.

(again not referring to the controversial topics)
ejleonJul 1, 7:31 PM
Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating.

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Kenzolo-folk said:
i went back to watching mushoku tensei because I dropped it cuz the pedophilia stuff was creeping me out. i gave it another chance cuz i thought maybe I was being smooth brained for letting my personal biases cloud my judgement, and people kept saying that besides the weird stuff the story is actually a masterpiece.

Where??

I'm at season 2 and this shit is still mid as fuck. I just want to know what amazing development, worldbuilding, storytelling genius is going on here?
Most importantly season 1, it has an 8.37 on mal but this shit is still an average isekai to me.

also so i dont get banned for the 6th time lets try not to mention the pedo stuff im just talking about the story in general.
Before someone says "why do u care so much" "its just ur personal taste" im just saying im surprised cuz my taste is usually mainstream as fuck, like I usually enjoy stuff most people like. so i wanna know what aspect of this story is so appealing to people and why im missing it?

Aside from the obviously controversial topics…

After reading your comments, it really just looks like this anime is just not your cup of tea, which is not bad, but it is other peoples’ cup or tea, which is also not bad.

(again not referring to the controversial topics)

You seem to be the type of person to judge anime based on “surface level similarities,” saying something like, “It is just another isekai with an OP MC who learns magic and gets a harem, nothing special”, but this just reveals that your ability to judge anime is limited, since you can’t even see the differences in each Isekai anime that make them unique in their own way.

For example, if I mentioned …

— Rudeus & Sylphie were learning magic together, like kids playing with a new toy. That Sylphie was able to pick up the non-verbal casting, so it wasn’t just some special skill limited to the MC, but others could do it. That later the MC had to recognize that he couldn’t use magic that Sylphie was good at using, because it meant that the MC was not OP, just powerful in what he himself could do.

— Ghislaine, an experienced and powerful warrior, was humble enough to admit that she was uneducated, but wanted to improve herself by learning things like reading and math.

— That it was cute seeing Eris & Rudeus work hard on learning to dance, especially funny that Eris had two left feet, then to see them impress all the guests, even though no one thought it was possible.

Would you actually consider my perspective?

I believe that you would just say that none of this mattered.

Fine, you are free to have your own opinion, but I am also free to have my own opinion.

I enjoyed things about this anime, in the end, that is really all that matters, not what other people think of me for liking the anime or that other people did not like the anime.

(again not referring to the controversial topics)
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— Rudeus & Sylphie were learning magic together, like kids playing with a new toy. That Sylphie was able to pick up the non-verbal casting, so it wasn’t just some special skill limited to the MC, but others could do it. That later the MC had to recognize that he couldn’t use magic that Sylphie was good at using, because it meant that the MC was not OP, just powerful in what he himself could do.

— Ghislaine, an experienced and powerful worrier, was humble enough to admit that she was uneducated, but wanted to improve herself by learning things like reading and math.

— That it was cute seeing Eris & Rudeus work hard on learning to dance, especially funny that Eris had two left feet, then to see them impress all the guests, even though no one thought it was possible.


Thank you for the actual examples. Yeah I can see why someone would find this endearing or it has an emotional impact for them. but for me I've seen this type of stuff in anime millions of times, and I guess I'm unphased by it. Theres a lot of little things in anime I really like that packs an emotional punch but this just isnt it, its just personal preference ig. thnx for the response
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Most civilized Mushoku Tensei discussion
thread.

I apologize on behalf of some of the fans here OP. The discourse around this show can get very messy. It’s completely fine not to like the show.
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@ejleon

ejleon said:
— Rudeus & Sylphie were learning magic together, like kids playing with a new toy. That Sylphie was able to pick up the non-verbal casting, so it wasn’t just some special skill limited to the MC, but others could do it. That later the MC had to recognize that he couldn’t use magic that Sylphie was good at using, because it meant that the MC was not OP, just powerful in what he himself could do.

— Ghislaine, an experienced and powerful worrier, was humble enough to admit that she was uneducated, but wanted to improve herself by learning things like reading and math.

— That it was cute seeing Eris & Rudeus work hard on learning to dance, especially funny that Eris had two left feet, then to see them impress all the guests, even though no one thought it was possible.


Thank you for the actual examples. Yeah I can see why someone would find this endearing or it has an emotional impact for them. but for me I've seen this type of stuff in anime millions of times, and I guess I'm unphased by it. Theres a lot of little things in anime I really like that packs an emotional punch but this just isnt it, its just personal preference ig. thnx for the response

I can understand your perspective, now that I’ve seen you say that you are too used to seeing it, that you are unaffected by it.

May I ask then, what anime does move you or that you really enjoyed? I mean, what anime(s) did make an impression on you?

I would like to watch a few that you liked to further understand your opinion.
Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating.

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"toxic tendencies"
The tendencies: Being a pedo.
i dont hate mushoku tensei because of these aspects, but u coming out of left field denying an integral part of his character to validate ur favoritism towards him is stupid

Sounds like bro didn’t even read past the second sentence of my comment ๐Ÿ’€. By toxic tendencies I meant being a pervert in general and touching girls without their consent. Because like I said, I don’t see him as a pedophile, I see him as an immature teenage boy who can’t control himself. He never harmed anyone with it. I’m trying to be mature here and not insult you for no reason but you’re making it hard buddy. Everyone has different opinions, you think I’m a dumbass for my view on Rudy, what if I told you you’re a dumbass for not liking the show? Would you respond with more insults or explain your reasoning instead of just forcing your opinion on me as a fact. I literally said I’m not trying to change your opinion. Let’s just agree to disagree and move on. You really don’t need to get so heated and aggressively reply to every comment who doesn’t agree with you, especially when there’s no substance to your comment except “It’s just not for me and you’re stupid for liking it.” It’s not even about Rudy anymore, you just like to troll.
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@Cielord

is there not pedo stuff in the show? or are we watching a different series.

A already established scientific fact is that your brain age, physical age, affect your mental age. So factually he is a child, the most you could argue for is that he is precocious child, not due to his own efforts of course, but because of the usual experience and knowledge one would get from becoming and being a adult.

Also, another thing:

“I finally understand now. I’m still just a kid. A brat who pretended to be an adult by using his previous memories.”

a quote from Rudy himself.
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@Cielord

is there not pedo stuff in the show? or are we watching a different series.

A already established scientific fact is that your brain age, physical age, affect your mental age. So factually he is a child, the most you could argue for is that he is precocious child, not due to his own efforts of course, but because of the usual experience and knowledge one would get from becoming and being a adult.

Also, another thing:

“I finally understand now. I’m still just a kid. A brat who pretended to be an adult by using his previous memories.”

a quote from Rudy himself.
@Cielord

Yeah, but theres still ecchi scenes involving 9 year olds. nobody wants to see that.
At least that quote clears up a lot of things I was confused about.
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"toxic tendencies"
The tendencies: Being a pedo.
i dont hate mushoku tensei because of these aspects, but u coming out of left field denying an integral part of his character to validate ur favoritism towards him is stupid

Sounds like bro didn’t even read past the second sentence of my comment ๐Ÿ’€. By toxic tendencies I meant being a pervert in general and touching girls without their consent. Because like I said, I don’t see him as a pedophile, I see him as an immature teenage boy who can’t control himself. He never harmed anyone with it. I’m trying to be mature here and not insult you for no reason but you’re making it hard buddy. Everyone has different opinions, you think I’m a dumbass for my view on Rudy, what if I told you you’re a dumbass for not liking the show? Would you respond with more insults or explain your reasoning instead of just forcing your opinion on me as a fact. I literally said I’m not trying to change your opinion. Let’s just agree to disagree and move on. You really don’t need to get so heated and aggressively reply to every comment who doesn’t agree with you, especially when there’s no substance to your comment except “It’s just not for me and you’re stupid for liking it.” It’s not even about Rudy anymore, you just like to troll.
@katsuki1over

Alright we agree to disagree. You do realize that a lot of the replies to this thread are also aggressive without me even saying anything? I'm just responding to the same aggression im receiving. (Except for your comment)
I dont think anyone is stupid for liking it, please point me to where I even implied that. Making up shit mid discussion.
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Cielord said:
Kenzolo-folk said:
@Cielord

is there not pedo stuff in the show? or are we watching a different series.

A already established scientific fact is that your brain age, physical age, affect your mental age. So factually he is a child, the most you could argue for is that he is precocious child, not due to his own efforts of course, but because of the usual experience and knowledge one would get from becoming and being a adult.

Also, another thing:

“I finally understand now. I’m still just a kid. A brat who pretended to be an adult by using his previous memories.”

a quote from Rudy himself.

Exactly. At the physical age of 8, he can’t be expected to have the mental capacity to withhold himself from being physically attracted to a girl his age nor have the responsibility to “wait until after he’s a teenager.” That’s just unrealistic.

I’m not justifying his actions, I’m just saying that it’s not right to say the show has “pedo stuff” because it’s deeper than that. He’s battling with himself and has become an entirely new person.

He just can’t be held to the same standards as a 40 year old man would. If he was in his old body, I’m certain he wouldn’t be attracted to an 8 year old.

Also, I think your quote proves the point because it shows even Rudy has accepted himself as a kid and doesn’t even consider himself an adult.
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@katsuki1over

Alright we agree to disagree. You do realize that a lot of the replies to this thread are also aggressive without me even saying anything? I'm just responding to the same aggression im receiving. (Except for your comment)
I dont think anyone is stupid for liking it, please point me to where I even implied that. Making up shit mid discussion.

Well, I know my comment wasn’t about the show specifically but you did say things like “a real idiot here” and call me a dumbass because of my reasoning. Like that’s just how i interpreted things. I understand that people are being aggressive towards you for no reason but my comment was not intended to be aggressive, I was simply stating my opinion. I just got annoyed because of you saying that I’m stupid for no reason.
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Alright we agree to disagree. You do realize that a lot of the replies to this thread are also aggressive without me even saying anything? I'm just responding to the same aggression im receiving. (Except for your comment)
I dont think anyone is stupid for liking it, please point me to where I even implied that. Making up shit mid discussion.

Well, I know my comment wasn’t about the show specifically but you did say things like “a real idiot here” and call me a dumbass because of my reasoning. Like that’s just how i interpreted things. I understand that people are being aggressive towards you for no reason but my comment was not intended to be aggressive, I was simply stating my opinion. I just got annoyed because of you saying that I’m stupid for no reason.
@katsuki1over

i apologize for the immature response. the first season is still weird pedo bait tho. probably wont ever get over that.
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It’s all good. As humans we always want to think of ourselves as right (myself included) ๐Ÿ˜‚
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i went back to watching mushoku tensei because I dropped it cuz the pedophilia stuff was creeping me out. i gave it another chance cuz i thought maybe I was being smooth brained for letting my personal biases cloud my judgement, and people kept saying that besides the weird stuff the story is actually a masterpiece.

Where??

I'm at season 2 and this shit is still mid as fuck. I just want to know what amazing development, worldbuilding, storytelling genius is going on here?
Most importantly season 1, it has an 8.37 on mal but this shit is still an average isekai to me.

also so i dont get banned for the 6th time lets try not to mention the pedo stuff im just talking about the story in general.
Before someone says "why do u care so much" "its just ur personal taste" im just saying im surprised cuz my taste is usually mainstream as fuck, like I usually enjoy stuff most people like. so i wanna know what aspect of this story is so appealing to people and why im missing it?

you don't like a anime others do. thats literally it end of story
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Bro opening the threads in the wrong place๐Ÿ’€
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I'll just bring in my 2 cents of my experience of the series. Apologies in advance for the essay!

Its a very enjoyable story. Ok, let's start with the premise. A shut-in man who wasted his life away due to alot of unresolved trauma as a teenager is given a second chance at life when he is reincarnated in a fantasy world. Standard setup.
I think one thing that sets MT apart is the committment to showing the protagonist's growth throughout his entire life. Yes, this is going to be Rudeus' life story from birth to death. All the hardships he will struggle against and overcome.

Whether it's overcoming his trauma of leaving his house, stopping his tendancy to treat this world as a video game and the people as characters in a visual novel, he is given reality checks of how he views and treats women when Eris constantly beats the shit out of him all the time, problems with Paul and understanding that he Has a loving and supportive family that he could cherish more, experiencing heart break for the first time and struggling with ED as a young man, developing a natural and safe bond with a woman (through Sylphie).. without sexual attraction or romance as the forefront reason to start a connection. Just getting to know them as a person.

There's so much to the journey Rudeus has come on. Hell, Season 2 Rudeus is soo different from who he was in Season 1. He's still a pervert yeea, that was never the problem. You can be a pervert and still be socially acceptable. The way he viewed women as purely sex objects and not as people in S1. He's much more respectful, keeps his perversions to himself, and helps out others as his friends and not as a manipulative tool to sleep with a girl. Every now and then he fcks up again, like when he held those two hostage for breaking his Roxy figurine model. He had no excuse there. But he makes mistakes as a human and tries to overcome his shortcomings.

The worldbuilding and lore is interesting, especially when it directly affects Rudeus and his circle. The different countries, languages and cultures in this world. The different religions with their takes on marriage (whether you can have only one wife or take multiple wives). The magic system and the mystery of what caused the Mana Disturbance which split everyone across the world.
Rudeus and company's confrontation with Orsted - the Dragon God because of his connection to the Man God. We don't know why the Man God started appearing to Rudeus and continues to try guiding him on a set path.. but he seems sus as hell. And from what I hear, for future content.. we'll slowly get more context and information on what the Man God is and how his presence affects the world.

There's alot of juicy content waiting and I can't wait to see. That's why I like Mushoku Tensei. I don't rank it above Re:Zero, but they're both excellent series.

That's me. I don't know if it answered your concerns regarding the series, sorry haha.
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Not a masterpiece but certainly a good show. If you still don’t see what’s good about it then I really don’t know what to tell you.

It’s a very slow show and always felt more like a biography of rudeus’s life to me than an exciting action packed fantasy story. So maybe you’re just going at it with the wrong idea of the story or different expectations. Try adjusting your view of it taking that into account and maybe you’ll start to understand it or enjoy it more.
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@Cielord

Yeah, but theres still ecchi scenes involving 9 year olds. nobody wants to see that.
At least that quote clears up a lot of things I was confused about.
@Kenzolo-folk I assume you dislike murder of innocents, when a series has such thing in it what do you do? You criticise the series for it?
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I'll just bring in my 2 cents of my experience of the series. Apologies in advance for the essay!

Its a very enjoyable story. Ok, let's start with the premise. A shut-in man who wasted his life away due to alot of unresolved trauma as a teenager is given a second chance at life when he is reincarnated in a fantasy world. Standard setup.
I think one thing that sets MT apart is the committment to showing the protagonist's growth throughout his entire life. Yes, this is going to be Rudeus' life story from birth to death. All the hardships he will struggle against and overcome.

Whether it's overcoming his trauma of leaving his house, stopping his tendancy to treat this world as a video game and the people as characters in a visual novel, he is given reality checks of how he views and treats women when Eris constantly beats the shit out of him all the time, problems with Paul and understanding that he Has a loving and supportive family that he could cherish more, experiencing heart break for the first time and struggling with ED as a young man, developing a natural and safe bond with a woman (through Sylphie).. without sexual attraction or romance as the forefront reason to start a connection. Just getting to know them as a person.

There's so much to the journey Rudeus has come on. Hell, Season 2 Rudeus is soo different from who he was in Season 1. He's still a pervert yeea, that was never the problem. You can be a pervert and still be socially acceptable. The way he viewed women as purely sex objects and not as people in S1. He's much more respectful, keeps his perversions to himself, and helps out others as his friends and not as a manipulative tool to sleep with a girl. Every now and then he fcks up again, like when he held those two hostage for breaking his Roxy figurine model. He had no excuse there. But he makes mistakes as a human and tries to overcome his shortcomings.

The worldbuilding and lore is interesting, especially when it directly affects Rudeus and his circle. The different countries, languages and cultures in this world. The different religions with their takes on marriage (whether you can have only one wife or take multiple wives). The magic system and the mystery of what caused the Mana Disturbance which split everyone across the world.
Rudeus and company's confrontation with Orsted - the Dragon God because of his connection to the Man God. We don't know why the Man God started appearing to Rudeus and continues to try guiding him on a set path.. but he seems sus as hell. And from what I hear, for future content.. we'll slowly get more context and information on what the Man God is and how his presence affects the world.

There's alot of juicy content waiting and I can't wait to see. That's why I like Mushoku Tensei. I don't rank it above Re:Zero, but they're both excellent series.

That's me. I don't know if it answered your concerns regarding the series, sorry haha.
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I do actually like the aspects of his old life where his trauma from being a social reject overlaps with his new life and him overcoming that. The polygamy tradition is also interesting because it kind of explains (doesnt justify) Pauls actions. and his bond with sylphie is cute. overrall ik yall think im just hating but my perspective has slightly changed and i would probably pick it up again if i have the time. i was just wondering what exactly is resonating with u people that isnt resonating with me.
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@Kenzolo-folk I assume you dislike murder of innocents, when a series has such thing in it what do you do? You criticise the series for it?
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um yeah i would criticize a series if the main character is murdering innocents and its played for laughs or he gets really poor consequences for it.
is this really ur argument to defend 9 year old panty shots and ecchi scenes? jeez.
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I didn’t enjoy it either, but I can understand why people like it so much. I would recommend that you drop it.
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I do actually like the aspects of his old life where his trauma from being a social reject overlaps with his new life and him overcoming that. The polygamy tradition is also interesting because it kind of explains (doesnt justify) Pauls actions. and his bond with sylphie is cute. overrall ik yall think im just hating but my perspective has slightly changed and i would probably pick it up again if i have the time. i was just wondering what exactly is resonating with u people that isnt resonating with me.

I'm glad you've changed your perspective a lil bit. But as others have said, if the things you don't like are affecting your enjoyment of the series then I'd recommend to drop it.

But either way do try it again considering you are interested to do so. Its a good story. Not everything will click for you, but if you're willing to put those aside then enjoy the full experience! ๐Ÿ˜„
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@Cielord

um yeah i would criticize a series if the main character is murdering innocents and its played for laughs or he gets really poor consequences for it.
is this really ur argument to defend 9 year old panty shots and ecchi scenes? jeez.
@Kenzolo-folk Just shows you can't handle bad things in media, i would advise you to watch kid shows.

Also Rudeus constantly face conseuqences for his actions.

https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/q5oqze/does_rudeus_improve_does_he_suffer_consequences/
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@Kenzolo-folk Just shows you can't handle bad things in media, i would advise you to watch kid shows.

Also Rudeus constantly face conseuqences for his actions.

https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/q5oqze/does_rudeus_improve_does_he_suffer_consequences/
@Cielord

its not if i cant handle it, its just mid writing. berserk is my favorite manga and Guts kills an innocent kid, as a result he suffers major consequences from it.

"Does rudeus suffer consequences from his actions"
Proceeds to give examples of how every important character suffered consequences except for Rudeus. Is this a joke?
and wtf does this gotta do with 9 year old ecchi?
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Masterpieces does not mean that its suitable for everyone. If you cant stand watching it, just drop it like what you did earlier. You dont have to watch something because of its tag like "masterpiece".

And yes, its completely normal. If your thoughts and angle dont let you like or bear, you can't even be objective after watching it too.

Anyway, im saying that just drop it instead of getting angry...

If you can't explain why something is a masterpiece objectively, then it's not a masterpiece. And that's the case in MT.
It is a masterpiece's side plot that normally no one cares about. Because yes, the hinted background storyline about the flying castle, mana disaster, human god etc. are really interesting. Sadly we are forced to watch stuff that has nothing to do with any of these.
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@Cielord

its not if i cant handle it, its just mid writing. berserk is my favorite manga and Guts kills an innocent kid, as a result he suffers major consequences from it.

"Does rudeus suffer consequences from his actions"
Proceeds to give examples of how every important character suffered consequences except for Rudeus. Is this a joke?
and wtf does this gotta do with 9 year old ecchi?
@Kenzolo-folk

If it was mid writing you would've talked about the mid writing in question instead of complaining about invisible pedophillia.

That post explained how consequences work in Mushoku Tensei and also in real life.
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@Kenzolo-folk

If it was mid writing you would've talked about the mid writing in question instead of complaining about invisible pedophillia.

That post explained how consequences work in Mushoku Tensei and also in real life.
@Cielord

Your reading comprehension is all over the place. When I said mid writing I was referring to when main characters kill innocents and get no consequence for it. Your response was that I just can't handle it, and my refute is that I can stomach it I just don't think the writing is good.

Cielord said:
That post explained how consequences work in Mushoku Tensei and also in real life.

I know how consequences work, I don't need a reddit post that dodges the literal main question to explain it to me. This guy doesn't focus on the consequences of rudeus at all when its the literal topic of discussion. I know the other characters face some type of consequence, whether indirectly or directly - but this post fails to mention rudeus.
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Kenzolo-folk said:
i went back to watching mushoku tensei because I dropped it cuz the pedophilia stuff was creeping me out. i gave it another chance cuz i thought maybe I was being smooth brained for letting my personal biases cloud my judgement, and people kept saying that besides the weird stuff the story is actually a masterpiece.

Where??

I'm at season 2 and this shit is still mid as fuck. I just want to know what amazing development, worldbuilding, storytelling genius is going on here?
Most importantly season 1, it has an 8.37 on mal but this shit is still an average isekai to me.

also so i dont get banned for the 6th time lets try not to mention the pedo stuff im just talking about the story in general.
Before someone says "why do u care so much" "its just ur personal taste" im just saying im surprised cuz my taste is usually mainstream as fuck, like I usually enjoy stuff most people like. so i wanna know what aspect of this story is so appealing to people and why im missing it?

I get you not liking the main character and some of the plot points but you really don’t see how the world building is incredible? And the magic system? I mean im not a dick rider of the series but I really think it’s not even a subjective thing, the series genuinely does a great job at building its world and structuring its magic system. Season 3 is about to have the peaks of the series back to back so give it one more shot imo, good twists, more world building as well as political drama.

Can you explain the magic system's greatness in more detail? I mean we learn more about the magic system in Akashic Records of Bastard Magic Instructor and that show is still average.
They actually give you a relatively detailed explanation about how the spells can change based on what you say. MT is not even close to this, at least if we talk about the anime.
Also explaining this kind of stuff only works if it's relevant. For example, in the next arc it is important to know this, because someone uses this explanation to do something. This is also a missed opportunity in MT, because any structure that they introduced is irrelevant so far.
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@Cielord

Your reading comprehension is all over the place. When I said mid writing I was referring to when main characters kill innocents and get no consequence for it. Your response was that I just can't handle it, and my refute is that I can stomach it I just don't think the writing is good.

Cielord said:
That post explained how consequences work in Mushoku Tensei and also in real life.

I know how consequences work, I don't need a reddit post that dodges the literal main question to explain it to me. This guy doesn't focus on the consequences of rudeus at all when its the literal topic of discussion. I know the other characters face some type of consequence, whether indirectly or directly - but this post fails to mention rudeus.

I haven't read all of the comments, but that's definitely not mid writing in itself. Having or not having consequences has nothing to do with the quality of the writing.
If everything had consequences, then everything would have been a really predictable show.
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@Cielord

Your reading comprehension is all over the place. When I said mid writing I was referring to when main characters kill innocents and get no consequence for it. Your response was that I just can't handle it, and my refute is that I can stomach it I just don't think the writing is good.

Cielord said:
That post explained how consequences work in Mushoku Tensei and also in real life.

I know how consequences work, I don't need a reddit post that dodges the literal main question to explain it to me. This guy doesn't focus on the consequences of rudeus at all when its the literal topic of discussion. I know the other characters face some type of consequence, whether indirectly or directly - but this post fails to mention rudeus.

I haven't read all of the comments, but that's definitely not mid writing in itself. Having or not having consequences has nothing to do with the quality of the writing.
If everything had consequences, then everything would have been a really predictable show.
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To me consequence counts also counts directly, indirectly, or internalized. if literally nothing comes out of our main character killing some random person when theyre supposed to be developing as a character then I think thats lame. For stuff like that to not be addressed once and just used for the viewers entertainment to me is random and it feels like theres no stakes.
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@Cielord

Your reading comprehension is all over the place. When I said mid writing I was referring to when main characters kill innocents and get no consequence for it. Your response was that I just can't handle it, and my refute is that I can stomach it I just don't think the writing is good.

Cielord said:
That post explained how consequences work in Mushoku Tensei and also in real life.

I know how consequences work, I don't need a reddit post that dodges the literal main question to explain it to me. This guy doesn't focus on the consequences of rudeus at all when its the literal topic of discussion. I know the other characters face some type of consequence, whether indirectly or directly - but this post fails to mention rudeus.
@Kenzolo-folk Let's backtrack a bit, i explained you that Rudeus isn't a pedophile, you admitted that (which at that point the conversation should have ended) but continued to complain about the ecchi aspect, which the only thing i can tell you is that you can't handle it, don't watch ecchi shows if you can't handle ecchi.
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To me consequence counts also counts directly, indirectly, or internalized. if literally nothing comes out of our main character killing some random person when theyre supposed to be developing as a character then I think thats lame. For stuff like that to not be addressed once and just used for the viewers entertainment to me is random and it feels like theres no stakes.

Then how can you "count" it? For example, Rudy had ED, which we could say is a bad thing. So by your logic a good thing should happen. If he kills someone and nothing bad happens to him, then it's a good thing, isn't it? How can you compare this stuff? So when can we say that next it should be a good or bad thing? Or how can you say that he didn't suffer enough in his previous life?
And even if you have a numarical was to compare stuff, e.g. raping or killing or torturing worse and how bad these are, it doesn't necessarily mean that the author has the same moral compass as you have.
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@Kenzolo-folk Let's backtrack a bit, i explained you that Rudeus isn't a pedophile, you admitted that (which at that point the conversation should have ended) but continued to complain about the ecchi aspect, which the only thing i can tell you is that you can't handle it, don't watch ecchi shows if you can't handle ecchi.
@Cielord

If i can't handle ecchi? This isn't just any ecchi tho, this shit got children. Not even lolis, like straight up 9-10 year olds. Do you actually hear yourself lmfao. damn sorry for being so soft that I don't want to look at 9 year old panty shots and them undressing, thats my bad, i should stick to kids shows.
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If i can't handle ecchi? This isn't just any ecchi tho, this shit got children. Not even lolis, like straight up 9-10 year olds. Do you actually hear yourself lmfao. damn sorry for being so soft that I don't want to look at 9 year old panty shots and them undressing, thats my bad, i should stick to kids shows.
@Kenzolo-folk Yes you are, also by definition they are lolis. They are fictional drawings not real people so i geniunely don't care.

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To me consequence counts also counts directly, indirectly, or internalized. if literally nothing comes out of our main character killing some random person when theyre supposed to be developing as a character then I think thats lame. For stuff like that to not be addressed once and just used for the viewers entertainment to me is random and it feels like theres no stakes.

Then how can you "count" it? For example, Rudy had ED, which we could say is a bad thing. So by your logic a good thing should happen. If he kills someone and nothing bad happens to him, then it's a good thing, isn't it? How can you compare this stuff? So when can we say that next it should be a good or bad thing? Or how can you say that he didn't suffer enough in his previous life?
And even if you have a numarical was to compare stuff, e.g. raping or killing or torturing worse and how bad these are, it doesn't necessarily mean that the author has the same moral compass as you have.
@ktg

You're bringing random logic into this that I never introduced at all and you're just running with it. Where did i even imply that good things should happen when someone experiences something bad and vice versa? I'm not arguing for karma to happen to every single little situation that happens to these characters.
All im saying is if an author is gonna make a main character do something controversial, like kill an innocent or sexually harass some little girl while she's sleeping, there should be some in-universe consequence to prove the point that this character is learning from his mistakes and developing to be this so-called better person he ends up being. Him doing weird shit and then it immediately being something "funny" like he gets punched, thats not doing it for me. It just downplays wat happens. If you guys find that funny you do you but thats not me, we just have different preferences.
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@Kenzolo-folk Yes you are, also by definition they are lolis. They are fictional drawings not real people so i geniunely don't care.

@Cielord

If some dude said they watch yoai hentai you would probably think theyre gay as fuck. but suddently if someone watches pedo bait its "juSt fiction theyre not pedos". aight.
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i went back to watching mushoku tensei because I dropped it cuz the pedophilia stuff was creeping me out. i gave it another chance cuz i thought maybe I was being smooth brained for letting my personal biases cloud my judgement, and people kept saying that besides the weird stuff the story is actually a masterpiece.

Where??

I'm at season 2 and this shit is still mid as fuck. I just want to know what amazing development, worldbuilding, storytelling genius is going on here?
Most importantly season 1, it has an 8.37 on mal but this shit is still an average isekai (EDIT: i no longer think this) to me.

also so i dont get banned for the 6th time lets try not to mention the pedo stuff im just talking about the story in general. (EDIT: we ended up talking about it)
Before someone says "why do u care so much" "its just ur personal taste" im just saying im surprised cuz my taste is usually mainstream as fuck, like I usually enjoy stuff most people like. so i wanna know what aspect of this story is so appealing to people and why im missing it?

According to you what do you think you are missing? ๐Ÿค”๐Ÿค” If u can say it maybe I can share my points with u accordingly cause there are lot of replies in this thread & i didn't read others cause it's obvious many people have different opinions.
It's actually a good thing to have different opinions and POV and I like to converse with them not to argue or get mad at them. And if u already have answered this can you plz redirect me to those replies of your.
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@Cielord

If some dude said they watch yoai hentai you would probably think theyre gay as fuck. but suddently if someone watches pedo bait its "juSt fiction theyre not pedos". aight.
@Kenzolo-folk Not a pedo bait, tho. Firstly they are fictional drawings, secondly the (main) appeal of Mushoku Tensei is Rudeus character development.
Other appeals are the side characters, romance & worldbuilding, animation & music could also be count. Never heard a single person liking Mushoku cause of the ecchi stuff.

You can't handle ecchi and (falsely) believe lolicon is pedophillia so yea you obviously can't enjoy this show.
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Kenzolo-folk said:
i went back to watching mushoku tensei because I dropped it cuz the pedophilia stuff was creeping me out. i gave it another chance cuz i thought maybe I was being smooth brained for letting my personal biases cloud my judgement, and people kept saying that besides the weird stuff the story is actually a masterpiece.

Where??

I'm at season 2 and this shit is still mid as fuck. I just want to know what amazing development, worldbuilding, storytelling genius is going on here?
Most importantly season 1, it has an 8.37 on mal but this shit is still an average isekai to me.

also so i dont get banned for the 6th time lets try not to mention the pedo stuff im just talking about the story in general.
Before someone says "why do u care so much" "its just ur personal taste" im just saying im surprised cuz my taste is usually mainstream as fuck, like I usually enjoy stuff most people like. so i wanna know what aspect of this story is so appealing to people and why im missing it?

I get you not liking the main character and some of the plot points but you really don’t see how the world building is incredible? And the magic system? I mean im not a dick rider of the series but I really think it’s not even a subjective thing, the series genuinely does a great job at building its world and structuring its magic system. Season 3 is about to have the peaks of the series back to back so give it one more shot imo, good twists, more world building as well as political drama.

Can you explain the magic system's greatness in more detail? I mean we learn more about the magic system in Akashic Records of Bastard Magic Instructor and that show is still average.
They actually give you a relatively detailed explanation about how the spells can change based on what you say. MT is not even close to this, at least if we talk about the anime.
Also explaining this kind of stuff only works if it's relevant. For example, in the next arc it is important to know this, because someone uses this explanation to do something. This is also a missed opportunity in MT, because any structure that they introduced is irrelevant so far.
@ktg tbh i was mixing up both the novels and anime, the anime still does world building well, and next season (if they do it well) should excel in everything. to answer your question, the magic system isnt nearly as good as it is in the novels i dont think, my memory might be failing me tho. also i dont watch isekai often so a lot of what this show does is pretty cool to me since i haven't seen it done like it is here anywhere else. what makes the world building good? i mean... its hard to explain? and in all honesty idgaf enough to sit on here trying to make you change your mind about the pedo isekai so this is my response since i dont want to leave you hanging. i think its a well structured show overall, i think it implements its magic, and the way politics and whatnot work very well. I think it writes its characters well, they are all pretty fucking insufferable and I like that. for you, well its not your thing.

if the op sees this, this is my response to you too, bye bye!!
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@Kenzolo-folk Not a pedo bait, tho. Firstly they are fictional drawings, secondly the (main) appeal of Mushoku Tensei is Rudeus character development.
Other appeals are the side characters, romance & worldbuilding, animation & music could also be count. Never heard a single person liking Mushoku cause of the ecchi stuff.

You can't handle ecchi and (falsely) believe lolicon is pedophillia so yea you obviously can't enjoy this show.
@Cielord

do you actually enjoy loli ecchi? you shouldve said so in the first place so I wouldnt argue with someone whos clearly a weirdo and would probably defend this series no matter what weird shit it did. this kind of confirms my theory that some people just like the show because they relate with rudeus pedophilic tendencies.
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@Cielord

do you actually enjoy loli ecchi? you shouldve said so in the first place so I wouldnt argue with someone whos clearly a weirdo and would probably defend this series no matter what weird shit it did. this kind of confirms my theory that some people just like the show because they relate with rudeus pedophilic tendencies.

"Rudeus pedophilic tendencies" Already explained to you that he isn't a pedophile which you admitted.

I explained to you the appeal of Mushoku Tensei, to it's fans and to my self. Is the ecchi aspect was written there?

And weird isn't a argument.
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i went back to watching mushoku tensei because I dropped it cuz the pedophilia stuff was creeping me out. i gave it another chance cuz i thought maybe I was being smooth brained for letting my personal biases cloud my judgement, and people kept saying that besides the weird stuff the story is actually a masterpiece.

Where??

I'm at season 2 and this shit is still mid as fuck. I just want to know what amazing development, worldbuilding, storytelling genius is going on here?
Most importantly season 1, it has an 8.37 on mal but this shit is still an average isekai (EDIT: i no longer think this) to me.

also so i dont get banned for the 6th time lets try not to mention the pedo stuff im just talking about the story in general. (EDIT: we ended up talking about it)
Before someone says "why do u care so much" "its just ur personal taste" im just saying im surprised cuz my taste is usually mainstream as fuck, like I usually enjoy stuff most people like. so i wanna know what aspect of this story is so appealing to people and why im missing it?

The thing you're missing would be the frontal lobe.
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i went back to watching mushoku tensei because I dropped it cuz the pedophilia stuff was creeping me out. i gave it another chance cuz i thought maybe I was being smooth brained for letting my personal biases cloud my judgement, and people kept saying that besides the weird stuff the story is actually a masterpiece.

Where??

I'm at season 2 and this shit is still mid as fuck. I just want to know what amazing development, worldbuilding, storytelling genius is going on here?
Most importantly season 1, it has an 8.37 on mal but this shit is still an average isekai (EDIT: i no longer think this) to me.

also so i dont get banned for the 6th time lets try not to mention the pedo stuff im just talking about the story in general. (EDIT: we ended up talking about it)
Before someone says "why do u care so much" "its just ur personal taste" im just saying im surprised cuz my taste is usually mainstream as fuck, like I usually enjoy stuff most people like. so i wanna know what aspect of this story is so appealing to people and why im missing it?

The thing you're missing would be the frontal lobe.
@RatFromTheSewer

seeing how ur favorites is littered with little kids i'd say its safe to say the same thing to you
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I dropped it midway s1 part 2 because it was aimless and boring to watch and the characters had the depth of a puddle.
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You basically answered your own question. Just drop it, forget it and don't mention it. Anime altogether, preferably.
Your take is still atrocious and you might be on point with that "smooth brained" remark (because this show is not just mindless action and everything shoved on the forefront), but I'll give you credit for actually dropping it instead of hatewatching and polluting forums. ๐Ÿ‘

bro went in the anime already hating on it and expecting it to be " bad " and gets surprised that....he doesn't like it lol


also " this anime has pedophila and i dropped it because of that....... but know i returned to it!! "

these people are throwing the word around like it's nothing
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Kenzolo-folk said:
i went back to watching mushoku tensei because I dropped it cuz the pedophilia stuff was creeping me out. i gave it another chance cuz i thought maybe I was being smooth brained for letting my personal biases cloud my judgement, and people kept saying that besides the weird stuff the story is actually a masterpiece.

Where??

I'm at season 2 and this shit is still mid as fuck. I just want to know what amazing development, worldbuilding, storytelling genius is going on here?
Most importantly season 1, it has an 8.37 on mal but this shit is still an average isekai (EDIT: i no longer think this) to me.

also so i dont get banned for the 6th time lets try not to mention the pedo stuff im just talking about the story in general. (EDIT: we ended up talking about it)
Before someone says "why do u care so much" "its just ur personal taste" im just saying im surprised cuz my taste is usually mainstream as fuck, like I usually enjoy stuff most people like. so i wanna know what aspect of this story is so appealing to people and why im missing it?

The thing you're missing would be the frontal lobe.

This post made me suddenly exhale though my nostrils.

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Piromysl said:
You basically answered your own question. Just drop it, forget it and don't mention it. Anime altogether, preferably.
Your take is still atrocious and you might be on point with that "smooth brained" remark (because this show is not just mindless action and everything shoved on the forefront), but I'll give you credit for actually dropping it instead of hatewatching and polluting forums. ๐Ÿ‘

bro went in the anime already hating on it and expecting it to be " bad " and gets surprised that....he doesn't like it lol


also " this anime has pedophila and i dropped it because of that....... but know i returned to it!! "

these people are throwing the word around like it's nothing
@Saimatsu_Fan

the whole point is that i wasn't expecting it to be bad..
and the people that actually responded instead of shittalking did help me appreciate the series more and change my perspective like i've said probably three times already.
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bro hates pedophilia so much that he watched it twice…
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