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iunne said:
hundreds/thousands of years ago, all pottery (plates, vases, etc.) was made by hand, and I think you could even argue these as "art." However, factories and mass production basically rendered potters obsolete. However, there is still a market for handmade items, but no one is freaking out over factory-produced pottery or silverware nowadays and calling them cancer.

Factory pottery is in part made by hand still just with moulds. They hand paint the details in glaze too. Also i have some absolute shit ceramics made in factories full of cracks brand new not even rejected like a proper potter would reject or properly repair.

iunne said:
hundreds of years ago, writing was all handwritten. However, with the invention of the typewriter and printer, writing by hand is becoming more and more obsolete. It's clear that handwritten letters are seen as more "heartfelt" and human, but no one is freaking out nowadays over the "soulless-ness" of texts and typed correspondence.

Handwriting is literally used every day on chalkboards and whiteboards and signatures are still used as a legal identifier and have you somehow forgotten the stylus where people are writing digitally?
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Dec 27, 2023 3:04 PM

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In all honesty, boya...
If something looks good, it looks good. People will like it. It doesn't matter.

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Dec 27, 2023 3:48 PM

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iunne said:
hundreds/thousands of years ago, all pottery (plates, vases, etc.) was made by hand, and I think you could even argue these as "art." However, factories and mass production basically rendered potters obsolete. However, there is still a market for handmade items, but no one is freaking out over factory-produced pottery or silverware nowadays and calling them cancer.

Factory pottery is in part made by hand still just with moulds. They hand paint the details in glaze too. Also i have some absolute shit ceramics made in factories full of cracks brand new not even rejected like a proper potter would reject or properly repair.

iunne said:
hundreds of years ago, writing was all handwritten. However, with the invention of the typewriter and printer, writing by hand is becoming more and more obsolete. It's clear that handwritten letters are seen as more "heartfelt" and human, but no one is freaking out nowadays over the "soulless-ness" of texts and typed correspondence.

Handwriting is literally used every day on chalkboards and whiteboards and signatures are still used as a legal identifier and have you somehow forgotten the stylus where people are writing digitally?
@traed Please read my post more carefully, it sounds like you're missing the point. The point isn't about the specifics, it's about the progress.

Most plates are not hand-painted. See https://www.voanews.com/a/hong-kong-s-last-hand-painted-porcelain-factory/6634549.html. Do we call non-hand-painted pottery "cancer"? And this is STILL all besides the point. Imagine that we get to the point where no human input is needed other than the press of a few buttons. Would this be a problem? My stance is - I would think most people couldn't care less. Another example is the textile industry.

Like I said, writing by hand is becoming more obsolete. Books are being replaced with e-books/PDFs. Whiteboards and chalkboards are being replaced with projectors and digital screens. Paper newspapers are less read, same with magazines. When possible, more and more students take notes via typing. People rarely communicate with each other via hand-written letters, but opt for texts or emails. Are we calling this transition to digital mediums "cancer"?

In short, if it isn't cancerous to be only using tableware/furniture/pottery that is purely machine-produced, of it isn't cancerous for someone to decide to type everything and never handwrite, why is AI art any different?
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Dec 27, 2023 4:03 PM

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I hate calling it "art." It's an image generated by an AI.
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Dec 27, 2023 11:20 PM
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@Cladocera Hey,

Absolutely loved reading your perspective on the evolution of art and the integration of AI into the creative process. Your analogy with the transition from traditional to digital art perfectly captures the ongoing transformation in the art landscape. The comparison with digital art facing skepticism in its early days echoes the current sentiments toward AI-generated art.

As someone who adores anime, I can't help but draw parallels to the debates within the anime community about hand-drawn vs. CGI animation. Just like the concerns raised about the "soul" or "meaning" in AI-generated art, anime fans often discuss the unique charm of hand-drawn animation. However, the beauty of anime lies in its diverse styles and techniques, and whether hand-drawn or CGI, both contribute to the rich tapestry of anime creations.

Your exploration of the moral dimension surrounding AI tools and the responsibility lying with the user resonates with similar discussions in the anime and art community. The role of the creator, regardless of the tools used, becomes central in shaping the narrative and meaning behind the art piece.

The question about the value of art and the comparison between a personally crafted piece and an AI-generated one is fascinating. It prompts contemplation on the essence of creativity and the subjective nature of art appreciation. After all, as an anime enthusiast, I've encountered various art styles and storytelling approaches, each with its own unique value.

Your reflections on gatekeeping in art beautifully mirror the inclusive spirit within the anime fandom. Anime enthusiasts embrace diverse styles and narratives, recognizing that each artist, regardless of skill level, contributes something special to the community.

Thanks for sharing your insightful thoughts – a fantastic feast for thought indeed!

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Dec 27, 2023 11:22 PM
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Here's the thing, though. I don't think anyone is actually going out there and praising artwork just because it was made "by a person". A few years ago, these same people would have been the ones who were putting them down for their art not living up to some kind standard, or trying to put them down for simply desiring to be an artist. But now that AI is a part of the picture, they are all singing a different tune, and suddenly everyone seems to care so much about the artists. Even though none of them would ever be caught dead supporting small artists, digital or otherwise.

The economic concerns are also completely unfounded in my opinion. Do you really think a CEO is going to sit down, and start generating AI for their brand? Even if they did, do you really think they would come up with a better result than a graphic designer would? The idea that people think some corporate suits would actually be able to replace artists shows how little these people value artists in the first place. This new form of "AI art" is not very consistent. Millions of dollars go into marketing each year, to try and achieve a very specific image for the brand. The diminishing returns of relying on an inconsistent algorithm, in contrast to just hiring a graphic designer seems to suggest that the designer is a far greater long term investment, than what they could save nickle-and-diming in AI art. If anything, it will be the artist who is using the AI (importantly: alongside a knowledge of design fundamentals!!!) in their submissions, not the corporation. These types of people who manufacture concerns about corporations don't actually care about artists, either.

As for my personal preference, I like looking into the mind of the creator. I like looking at the subtle imperfections in their work, that hint at their creative process, as well as their standing at the time they made it, and comparing it over the course of years. My favourite things ever were created by scrappy, passionate individuals, who despite their technical, or financial limitations, managed to create something that resonates with people. That is what makes something stand out. It remains to be seen whether or not AI can achieve this. I have my doubts that it could maintain such a distinct personality over the course of multiple works, but I'm not going to pretend to fight for artists by virtue signalling against it. It has it's place as a tool. We are currently living in an age where the quality and quantity of independent art is growing significantly, but people don't want to look at these achievements because it doesn't prey on people's fear.
Hey,

Your reflections on the evolving dynamics in the art world, particularly the shifting attitudes towards AI-generated art, are spot-on. The observation about people's sudden advocacy for artists in the wake of AI's involvement is indeed intriguing. It's a stark contrast to the historical criticism and lack of support many artists faced.

The skepticism around corporations relying solely on AI for artistic endeavors highlights a crucial point – the irreplaceable essence of a human touch in creative expression. Your emphasis on the intricate, imperfect details that reveal the artist's journey resonates deeply with the sentiment shared by many art enthusiasts, myself included. It's those nuances that create a connection between the creator and the audience.

Your preference for the work of scrappy, passionate individuals mirrors the admiration within the artistic community for the resilience and creativity that emerges from personal struggles. The concern about whether AI can maintain a distinct personality across multiple works is a valid one. The diversity of independent art, flourishing despite technical and financial limitations, adds a unique charm that AI might struggle to replicate.

Your acknowledgment of AI as a tool rather than a threat aligns with a balanced perspective on its role in the creative process. As the art landscape continues to evolve, it's heartening to see individuals like you valuing the achievements of independent artists and acknowledging the importance of their contributions.

Thanks for sharing your thoughtful insights!
Dec 27, 2023 11:54 PM
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@traed Please read my post more carefully, it sounds like you're missing the point. The point isn't about the specifics, it's about the progress.

Most plates are not hand-painted. See https://www.voanews.com/a/hong-kong-s-last-hand-painted-porcelain-factory/6634549.html. Do we call non-hand-painted pottery "cancer"? And this is STILL all besides the point. Imagine that we get to the point where no human input is needed other than the press of a few buttons. Would this be a problem? My stance is - I would think most people couldn't care less. Another example is the textile industry.

Like I said, writing by hand is becoming more obsolete. Books are being replaced with e-books/PDFs. Whiteboards and chalkboards are being replaced with projectors and digital screens. Paper newspapers are less read, same with magazines. When possible, more and more students take notes via typing. People rarely communicate with each other via hand-written letters, but opt for texts or emails. Are we calling this transition to digital mediums "cancer"?

In short, if it isn't cancerous to be only using tableware/furniture/pottery that is purely machine-produced, of it isn't cancerous for someone to decide to type everything and never handwrite, why is AI art any different?
iunne said:
@traed Please read my post more carefully, it sounds like you're missing the point. The point isn't about the specifics, it's about the progress.

Most plates are not hand-painted. See https://www.voanews.com/a/hong-kong-s-last-hand-painted-porcelain-factory/6634549.html. Do we call non-hand-painted pottery "cancer"? And this is STILL all besides the point. Imagine that we get to the point where no human input is needed other than the press of a few buttons. Would this be a problem? My stance is - I would think most people couldn't care less. Another example is the textile industry.

Like I said, writing by hand is becoming more obsolete. Books are being replaced with e-books/PDFs. Whiteboards and chalkboards are being replaced with projectors and digital screens. Paper newspapers are less read, same with magazines. When possible, more and more students take notes via typing. People rarely communicate with each other via hand-written letters, but opt for texts or emails. Are we calling this transition to digital mediums "cancer"?

In short, if it isn't cancerous to be only using tableware/furniture/pottery that is purely machine-produced, of it isn't cancerous for someone to decide to type everything and never handwrite, why is AI art any different?


I disagree with your conclusion about AI in particular, but I do think your general stance about technological development is largely correct. The material well being of your ordinary citizen has greatly benefited in the reduced prices that industrialization has brought with it. Which also includes artists.



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Y'all talking about worksmanship, ethics, "soul", yadda yadda, but I haven't seen anyone pointing out how, thanks to the power of AI, we can admire modern mythology. I can already see kids from the future learning diligently about the legend of Gumbo Slice in their school books. In a millenium or two, it's gonna become something similar to how Greek mythology is to us today.

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Most ai art especially the horny kind is you can allways tell because it looks like someone laminated the person's body in gloss. It reaches uncanny valley levels.

Also ai "art" would be more acceptable if people stopped taking other people's work for it.
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