Attack on Titan
| Kids expected a Shounen ending, while edgier people thought the character uniting in the end was corny. You can't win with anyone. Eren's choice is also pretty controversial in-universe so I believe the ending's reception will always be subjective and varies. @StarKnightPJW79 Stockholm Syndrome is a real thing though but it might be better to use the term codependency. Ymir never 'loved' the king but was obsessed just like Mikasa. That's why Ymir was waiting for Mikasa at the end chapter. 'No woman would ever write such a scene' but is a man. Your opinions automatically have no backing. What are you 12? Just because someone spouts random facts does not mean they are any relevant to the conversation pft. Trying to sound smart but sounds so dumb, some people ~ |
| @nexuro01 Yeah, this final arc had lower stakes than Fairy Tail. |
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| One this shouldn't be in the anime discussion thread because it has nothing to do with what the anime has covered yet. There is a reason we break up manga and anime discussion. Regardless of what some in this thread think no I just generally do not like AOT's ending I hardly care about band wagoning lol. Some of the fanboys in this thread need to accept different opinions instead of making personal attacks. Not everyone is going to like your precious series. I wish I did like it because I really did for a time think this was one of the better action shonen in the medium but it just fell horrifically flat. Bad endings don't have to ruin stories but AOT is one of those cases where it does. It's had to separate now. In short Eren is a complete moron. The world he lives just sucks for his friends and sucks for the world in general. If his goal was simply to keep his friends alive great but he bascially ensured they were once again imprisoned on an island and that their future kids and next generation were doomed to eventually die because he left a significant amount of people ouutside the walls alive who of course didn't turn the cheek when Eren annihilated most of the world. He should have either gone full on killed everyone, tried to pull a Code Geass ending (even if AOT kinda mocks that still would have made more sense) or attemtped to follow through on using it as a self defense weapon and hope they could build bridges with others outside of the walls (even though other people would have to be sacrificed and there was a danger of weapons development and being attacked killing them all). You have characters like Armin just acting entirely out of character (insert the Hitler meme joke) this includes mishandling other characters like Ymir and I just generally even before the final chapters thought the leadup after Eren triggered the Rumbling wasn't that interesting and the final battle itself lacked some of the weight of the less significant fights in AOT. |
BilboBaggins365Jun 1, 2023 1:26 PM
EXCLMaker said: Why are you talking about AOE if you don't even know anything about it? The general premise of AOE theory is that Isayama HIMSELF planned it that way, it's a praise of Isayama not disrespect The people who are suggesting there should be an anime-original ending are frankly extremely disrespectful and don't have any ounce of appreciation for how much work and passion was put into the manga by Isayama |
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hikkihime said: I didn't like the ending so don't think I'm defending it but he killed his mother in order to get himself to have the hate that he had towards the titans and begin his character journey. He viewed it as necessary for himself to witness that in order to get to the place he wasHe randomly turned into a cuck over Mikasa which a lot of people felt was a character assassination, it's also revealed he killed his own mother for what exactly? |
EXCLMaker said: That is true. Thematically speaking, the ending was very good and consistent to the main themes that have been presented in the story since its first chapter.I thought it was quite fitting and made me appreciate the entire story more as a whole. Isayama did a great job giving resolution to so much that was set up early on. The people who are suggesting there should be an anime-original ending are frankly extremely disrespectful and don't have any ounce of appreciation for how much work and passion was put into the manga by Isayama. From technical point of view, though, the ending had few flaws in how it was written. Exposition of more or less important events have been underwhelming in the last few chapters, and reached its climax in the final one. What's more, introducing new elements in the very epilogue was unwise, even though one could agree whether they were really that much important. Even with flaws I've just mentioned, Attack on Titan's ending was not that bad. Even more, it was better than average manga's ending. Many of the most emotional complaints about it (mostly in a form of hate) have seemed to come from people with poor reading comprehension. However, from what I noticed myself, most of haters were just people upset that the manga did not end up like they wanted (or as they had imagined in their headcanons), or because their beloved ship didn't happen in the end. What came later was just a hate bandwagon, resembling more of rants coming from emotionally unstable peaple going through a breakdown than actual critique. |
Kenny644 said: The highest example of a bad dialogue. No matter how many times I come back & I read Armin's words, I still end up cringing. It's just that bad.Because people think the ending fucking sucks. I personally have to agree. The dialogue is fucking awful, at least in the English release. “You became a mass murderer for our sake. I won’t let this terrible mistake you’re making be in vain.” That’s one of the main examples of bad dialogue. |
angelkuhn said: Stop it lol. How many "smart" AOT fans even get all of his historical references (like those about Meiji Japan)? Maybe some of us just don't like the ending because we think it's written bad not because "we didn't get it" lol. You don't need a background in geopolitics to get why some of the writing is stupid (and I do read that stuff for fun). As someone who doesn't hate or love the ending (In my opinion the overall ending idea is good but the execution and build-up towards it has some flaws), I think the biggest problem is that most AoT loud fans are teens that don't have much idea about the topics they are talking about. The nonsensical hate for the ending due to lack of proper reading skills gets mixed with coherent criticism. The result is that the ending seems to get more hate than it truly deserves. I honestly doubt most AOT fans are loud teens. It's a mainstream anime so lots of teens have gotten into it but a large segment of the fandom got introduced to it as it was coming out. S1 came out a decade ago it's an old show/manga. Lots of people who got on the bandwagon (after S3 part 2 came out) were older in my experience too. |
BilboBaggins365Jun 2, 2023 6:36 PM
angelkuhn said: I posted an above comment in the thread and others have as well. Maybe explain why you think said comments are stupid and hollow. Secondly not really cause it's just an unverifiable statement based on nothing. As if whining about something in a "bratty way" whatever that means has anything to do with age. People whine all the time online incredibly immaturely. BilboBaggins365 said: As I tried to imply, you can dislike the ending. There is nothing dumb about loving or hating the ending. It is just that the reasons I usually see for hating the ending are quite stupid and hollow. Maybe you are an exception (I can't really tell since you have not developed why "the writing is stupid", and I'm not asking you to do so).Stop it lol. How many "smart" AOT fans even get all of his historical references (like those about Meiji Japan)? Maybe some of us just don't like the ending because we think it's written bad not because "we didn't get it" lol. You don't need a background in geopolitics to get why some of the writing is stupid (and I do read that stuff for fun). I honestly doubt most AOT fans are loud teens. It's a mainstream anime so lots of teens have gotten into it but a large segment of the fandom got introduced to it as it was coming out. S1 came out a decade ago it's an old show/manga. Lots of people who got on the bandwagon (after S3 part 2 came out) were older in my experience too. Lastly, I didn't say "most AOT fans are loud teens". I said "most AoT loud fans are teens". There is a big difference on that. I say this based on what I've seen online so it could be totally wrong. My impression is that people who hate the ending tend to be more vocal about it and take it more personally "in a very bratty way". Opinions about liking the ending (or at least not hating it as much) are usually followed by a more equanimous and mature demeanor. Again, this is just my experience. And I think I'm not too biased since I'm somewhat in the middle. There are things I like about the ending and things I don't; so I don't identify myself with any side fully. Also in general fence sitting doesn't mean you aren't biased. I do that all the time and I ensure you I am a very biased individual. To me your comment is just self righteously diminishing fans rights to feel negative on something. |
BilboBaggins365Jun 2, 2023 8:40 PM
| We have to look at Ymir's love for Fritz through the same lens as Mikasa's love for Eren, because that's the whole point. The manga deals with many themes, and some of the ones it explores the most are the instances of freedom and imprisonment that people can have. Destiny, determinism, cultural indoctrination, genetics, historical debt, metaphysics of time, among others, but one of the most sensible and that few realize throughout the work is love, more precisely, of how a person can lose their freedom/be a slave for the loved one. Mikasa and Ymir represent this theme, Mikasa being Eren's slave and Ymir evidently being Fritz's slave. So when Mikasa beheads Eren, she shows Ymir that she is also capable of breaking free from that love, this being a sacrifice for itself, because they have to kill what they love most. Then you can ask, but how did Ymir kill Fritz, and why did she love him anyway? Honestly, I believe that both questions are purposely left to interpretation. We can make approximate interpretations, for example, I understand that Ymir killed Fritz in the sense of ending Eldian sovereignty, represented by the power of the titans. Or that, by lifting the curse of the titans, she had nothing left to live for, and that in itself was the death of Fritz and his Eldian legacy. The point that the story is trying to convey when leaving this open is not only that love has its mysteries, but also the love of Ymir, who lived it very prematurely, in a very out of the ordinary way, and in the most distorted way possible, it is a complex love for oneself and difficult to understand. Another way to look at it, and one that is perhaps easier to understand, is that Mikasa had feelings for an assassin who saved her, and Ymir had feelings for a slaveholder who made her exclusive from the rest. Considering her past as an ordinary person and the fact that she doesn't have much understanding about life when it happens, I don't think it's illogical to understand why she loves him. Like it or not, he gave her a new life, and the greater irony is not even that she became a slave again, but a slave of love. It's a bit poetic if you think about it, don't you think? |
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