| 2nd cousins, Rudeus Grandmother Valentine is Sauros Sister. First cousin would be the children of Pauls brother Pilemon, or Zeniths Siblings children. |
TwoSideWarScythe said: mother f 14 years old? really? rudeus is 13 i am pretty sure1. Incest 2. 60 year old in 14 year old body 3. Gropes her all the time Hehehe absolutely chad lmao |
You all have to undrestand that Chainsaw man is impossible to adapt without CG. |
| well this anime promotes child porn so it's up to you how you will take it |
You all have to undrestand that Chainsaw man is impossible to adapt without CG. |
MauriceA7 said: dabdabgoose said: No Rudeus’s Dad brother is eris’s dad2nd cousins, Rudeus Grandmother Valentine is Sauros Sister. First cousin would be the children of Pauls brother Pilemon, or Zeniths Siblings children. No he isn't, Rudeus dads brother is Pilemon not Phillip. Phillip is Sauros's son they even tell you this in episode 5. |
| and when it actually happens ppl are mad? man, weebs man... I just dont get weebs... they're cousins iirc, because Eris' father is Paul's brother iirc, so Rudy's uncle... idk why this is in anime discussion but this is like, vol.14/15(ish) of the WN iirc so around vol.14 of the LN? looked at the summary of the anime s2, and it looks like it's WN vol.3-5(ish somewhere there), which I would say the LN would be vol.3(I'm reading vol.2 LN rn and it's still when Rudy is like 8 yos) so to sum up what OP is talking about.....anime watchers, just chill your fucking asses, there are still a lot to cover before what OP mentioned... or read the WN/LN, the LN is I think on vol.12/14 so this will I think cover the juiciest part..... EDIT: Ohhh ppl are saying Eris and Rudy are distant cousin.... honestly, Paul's family circumstances is fucking messy and the fucking nobility title are still too much for my brain.... but ehhhh... I mean what worse really tbf? I mean, Rudy was already planning to groom Syph as his bride so honestly.... this is just on the same line as it is, besides; this was in MT's timeline, this isnt prolly not looked down upon also besides |
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Salva01 said: I haven't seen the anime fully yet, but I heard Somebody could explain it to me, please? Are you seriously questioning why a morally reprehensible show is being morally reprehensible? |
| Well I for one already loved Lain. |
| It's not like it's GoT where the cannon main couple was literally Nephew and Auntie getting together. 2nd cousins is barely related and for this era they wouldn't even consider it. |
| They're second cousins or something like that if I'm not wrong. I think it's because the anime is set in the equivalent of the middle ages, and stuff like that happened a lot with royalty and nobility (which Rudeus' family was). As in it was widely accepted. Correct me if I'm wrong. |
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UTMAN said: To be fair a lot of people take incest as bad for granted, but when it comes to actually make points against it, they don't really have any good arguments against it. If they don't have Children then it would just be a moral thing(and quite a big one to overcome in society), but if say Brother and Sister where to have a child there is a strong chance that kid is going to be born with deficiencies. This case is different though given how distant they are it would be very improbable it would happen. |
UTMAN said: Also would you also forbid to have children for people that has high chance that their kids is going to get some sort of deficency? Like a person with Down Syndrome? If it's my children and they want to do it with their sibling damn right I would object, if it was due to medical issues with their partner I would suggest otherwise not only for themselves but it's not exactly fair on the child either. |
UTMAN said: If its random people then I don't give a crap, that is my final answer.dabdabgoose said: If it's my children and they want to do it with their sibling damn right I would object, if it was due to medical issues with their partner I would suggest otherwise not only for themselves but it's not exactly fair on the child either. You are not really adressing my point. Right now Siblings cannot have children in most modern world countries because of said reasons. A person with aids or down syndrom person can. Would you invoke a legislation that forbids them having children? And we are not talking about your children, just 2 random person. So no bias is there for you. Also this argument is not necessary against incest, but an argument against birth defects. Not all incestrious relationship have that. Like what if it's brother/brother. What's morally wrong about that? No chance for having a kid with defects. |
| Thy are distant cousins, so it's fine no sweat. Plus if it's consensual and her parents are fine with it, which they are. Then all we can do is give them our blessings. |
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JackRyder said: Paul and Phillip are first cousins though, Pauls Mother is Phillips Aunt(his dads sister), though they are different branch familys so they normally wouldn't be this close in relation, Valentine Boreas Greyrat married into Notos.UTMAN said: You are not really adressing my point. Right now Siblings cannot have children in most modern world countries because of said reasons. A person with aids or down syndrom person can. Would you invoke a legislation that forbids them having children? And we are not talking about your children, just 2 random person. So no bias is there for you. Also this argument is not necessary against incest, but an argument against birth defects. Not all incestrious relationship have that. Like what if it's brother/brother. What's morally wrong about that? No chance for having a kid with defects. Why is incest wrong in this case? Here's some quick math addressing the percentage of relation. You and your sibling share 50% DNA. You and your sibling's child (nephew/niece) share 25% DNA. Your child and your sibling's child are 1st cousins and share 12.5% DNA. Paul and Philip are NOT 1st cousins because they are from different branch families but for the sake of argument, let's assume they are. IF Paul and Philip are 1st cousins, they share 12.5% DNA Philip and Rudeus would share 6.25% DNA, Paul and Eris would share 6.25% DNA. However, Rudeus and Eris would only share 3.125% DNA so they are 3% related AT BEST and for many small towns and clans, this is already extremely diverse. IF Paul and Philip are 1st cousins once removed (Half first cousin), they share 6.25% DNA which means Rudeus and Eris share 1.5625% DNA. IF Paul and Philip are 2nd cousins, they share 3.125% DNA which means Rudeus and Eris share 0.78125% DNA. IF Paul and Philip are 2nd cousins once removed (Half second cousin), they share 1.5625% DNA which means Rudeus and Eris share 0.390625% DNA. IF Paul and Philip are 3rd cousins, they share 0.78125% DNA which means Rudeus and Eris share 0.1953125% DNA. The Greyrat family has been around for centuries, Paul and Philip are at least 6th, 7th+ cousins assuming their great-great-great-grandfathers were brothers. the amount of DNA similarity is irrelevant. It's highly likely many married couples in homogenous countries have the same ancestors centuries ago so share some tiny fraction of a percentage of DNA with each other. At what point is it incest or not incest? Even still 2nd cousin is barely related, once you go past 1st cousin the DNA relation is soo low it's basically negligible. |
dabdabgooseJan 20, 2022 7:11 AM
| rudeas is part of Notos Greyreat and Eris is part of Boreas Greyreat. so different branch family. Hence distant cousins, I think the blood relation is diluted enough. |
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| Because its fucking awesome |
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| It has long been a practice of the aristocracy to maintain their idea of "legitimacy' by having close relatives mate in order to produce children that are " blue blooded" in order to qualify them to remain amongst the gentry. But this has of course led to countless cases of mental and physical problems and often deformaties in the children produced where the parents in question were WAAAY too close in relation, such as 1st or 2nd cousins. Thus eventually noble families would have extensive numbers of children, such as the royal family of England, to not only make sure there would always be one of their family to sit upon the throne, but to spread their genetics out properly amongst the other few remaining royals that are left within europe. So just like in real life, within the anime, the characters are cousins, but I believe they are at most 3rd cousins, which is terribly, but is almost nasty though lol |
AnchientProphet2 said: The odds of having incest related Birth defects from Children born from 2nd cousin and onward related Parents is basically Zero, thats already at less then 5% relation at that point and It's not even something that happens at a high percentage with 1st cousins which is more like 15% related.It has long been a practice of the aristocracy to maintain their idea of "legitimacy' by having close relatives mate in order to produce children that are " blue blooded" in order to qualify them to remain amongst the gentry. But this has of course led to countless cases of mental and physical problems and often deformaties in the children produced where the parents in question were WAAAY too close in relation, such as 1st or 2nd cousins. Thus eventually noble families would have extensive numbers of children, such as the royal family of England, to not only make sure there would always be one of their family to sit upon the throne, but to spread their genetics out properly amongst the other few remaining royals that are left within europe. So just like in real life, within the anime, the characters are cousins, but I believe they are at most 3rd cousins, which is terribly, but is almost nasty though lol What the Royal families did most notably the Habsburgs of Austria(Holy Roman Empire)where doing was a massive amount of 1st cousin (or even closer) Marriages which by the 3rd or 4th down the line is much closer in relation then a normal 1st cousin and more like a Half Sibling. |
dabdabgooseFeb 1, 2022 9:54 AM
| Second Cousins is what they are, it's fine I guess. I mean they don't seem to mind, Eris's mother didn't seem to mind, so why should we. |
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| as i heard they are branch family so not really related distant relatives/cousins |
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