Attack on Titan
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Xilver said: the point of this was, that it wasn't profitable to give ymir a rational reason to stop the rumbling/lift the curse. To give mikasa the spotlight in the last minute is way more profitable for the merchandise. Thats why so many plot points are retconned. Thats why I think he changed the ending after 134/135So what was the point of this?  It literally didn't play into anything ever. Ymir didn't care about murdering billion of kids, she just stopped cuz her favorite melodrama played out. What was the fucking point? |
| Attack on Titan ended with chapter 123 and 130/131 is the epilogue |
So I have a theory on why Isayama changed the ending. Let's just assume that the original ending was supposed to be Eren winning and completely eradicating the outside world and building a better future for Paradis. Now Aot has always been an anti-war series that showcases the horrors of warfare. But if Yams went with an ending that showcases our M.C. essentially create a better world with the use of genocide and warfare, then it would completely go against the strong anti-war themes that it was going for in the first place. This is why The Alliance needed to be formed and why Floch and Eren felt like the antagonist in this final arc. If Yams went with an ending where Eren won with the rumbling then it will basically prove every people who claimed that this series was fascist or glorifies war and violence were actually right all along. At least that's why I believe Isayama changed the ending. If isayama had done that, it wouldn't be in such a superficial way as you said. suppose this is the end, eren wins, the rumbling is complete and as the story went after the timeskip, isayama would have emphasized what eren did, showing a crude ending, since the world was destroyed but at the same time "happy" because oppressed people and treated like slaves would live peacefully, this is where the marley bow would have more importance since this was what that bow was for, to humanize humanity, show us that they are not completely bad. After the rumbling, we would feel sad because we saw that the world of the Marleyans was ruined, but that of the Eldians improved.And why would Isayama care about what one group of the fandom would want and the other would not? If he planned something from the beginning, then he shouldn't care so much about fans and more about his masterpiece, right? |
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Neil1998 said: Leoradiuju2004 said: If isayama had done that, it wouldn't be in such a superficial way as you said. suppose this is the end, eren wins, the rumbling is complete and as the story went after the timeskip, isayama would have emphasized what eren did, showing a crude ending, since the world was destroyed but at the same time "happy" because oppressed people and treated like slaves would live peacefully, this is where the marley bow would have more importance since this was what that bow was for, to humanize humanity, show us that they are not completely bad. After the rumbling, we would feel sad because we saw that the world of the Marleyans was ruined, but that of the Eldians improved. And why would Isayama care about what one group of the fandom would want and the other would not? If he planned something from the beginning, then he shouldn't care so much about fans and more about his masterpiece, right? But If Isayama had went with this ending, do you think it would have went against the anti-war themes that the series had going for it? Also what is the Marleyan Bow? I don't remember what that means. . AoT has an anti war theme? One would think it does considering that the story transitioned from a mystery to a war-drama after the basement. Serious themes like ancestral sins, racism, war etc need main focus and commitment, but in AoT they ended up being just edgy additions for shock value, playing second fiddle for some corny love twist ( that ended up being a bigger joke with the additional pages). |
Neil1998 said: majinale said: AoT has an anti war theme? One would think it does considering that the story transitioned from a mystery to a war-drama after the basement. Serious themes like ancestral sins, racism, war etc need main focus and commitment, but in AoT they ended up being just edgy additions for shock value, playing second fiddle for some corny love twist ( that ended up being a bigger joke with the additional pages). I feel like AOT always had a strong anti-war message even when they were fighting against Titans. It just became even more apparent once the Marleyans were brought into the fray. I mean wouldn't Eren winning by killing everyone and thus securing peace for Paradis in a way glorify genocide? It glorified genocide with the 80% as well, or to be more precise it trivialized it, since at the end of the day the event of the rumbling was a demigod's puppet theater and not the result of racial hatred. |
| If you consider a fictional story as art, not only does it NEED to have a message but that message needs to be either meaningful or uplifting or beautiful, because if it doesn't that story is completely worthless. But that might just be me. |
majinale said: If you consider a fictional story as art, not only does it NEED to have a message but that message needs to be either meaningful or uplifting or beautiful, because if it doesn't that story is completely worthless. But that might just be me. absolutely agree. i was one of the few who kind of liked the ending and saw it is “beauty in a cruel world” and acceptance and moving on despite the continuing cycle of hatred.. but after the leaks i don’t know what to think anymore looooll the story has lost any possible message or meaning that it ever had if the titans return.. and mikasa’s love was strong enough to break a 2000 year curse yet she has children in the same chapter where eren cries about wanting her to love him forever? so much for the tragedy of eternal love, not sure why romance was even introduced if yams planned to throw it away like this. i just can’t believe my eyes honestly looool and i don’t think isayama is aware that women can move on without marrying and having babies. the whole thing is just a mess, and a complete set up for a sequel. disastrous writing. |
| The problem is that the message of the story is bassically confirms doomer ideology Doesnt matter what Eren did. He loses and Paradis gets destroyed and the cycle of hatred and titan powers continues I actually dont care about the shipping fag bs but Eren absolutely achieves NOTHING in this entire manga So he achieves nothing and top of that he gets cucked for a girl he rejected in S2 that he suddenly loves all of the sudden This manga is clear humiliation porn and if I ever meet Isayama irl I will tell him that his entire manga is an insult to the world of literature. |
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nowandforever said: majinale said: If you consider a fictional story as art, not only does it NEED to have a message but that message needs to be either meaningful or uplifting or beautiful, because if it doesn't that story is completely worthless. But that might just be me. absolutely agree. i was one of the few who kind of liked the ending and saw it is “beauty in a cruel world” and acceptance and moving on despite the continuing cycle of hatred.. but after the leaks i don’t know what to think anymore looooll the story has lost any possible message or meaning that it ever had if the titans return.. and mikasa’s love was strong enough to break a 2000 year curse yet she has children in the same chapter where eren cries about wanting her to love him forever? so much for the tragedy of eternal love, not sure why romance was even introduced if yams planned to throw it away like this. i just can’t believe my eyes honestly looool and i don’t think isayama is aware that women can move on without marrying and having babies. the whole thing is just a mess, and a complete set up for a sequel. disastrous writing. He should have just made Jeankasa canon withouth Eren ever confessing his love for Mikasa Literally all he had to do. What is his problem with that panel of Eren begging for Mikasa coochie when he skipped her the entire anime. |
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| Also that shameless hack has doomer reiner's last appearance sniffing Historia's letters all of the sudden I feel insulted reading any of the shitty panels of that god awful chapter Go fuck yourself hackayama I should have known when war criminal Annie was casually eating cake and got caught by Connie/Armin and it was played of as a comedy situation that Yams was taking a crap on his own work. |
DildryMay 16, 2021 4:30 AM
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Orochi97 said: The shipping war turned out be a graveyard, I'm fine with Mikasa moving on. But eren as a character gets butchered, it hurts to see the boy who yearned for freedom was a slave to destiny. if the leaks are true, I have no will to read it anymore. Thanks Isayama! Hope you finally found peace by betraying the fandom. Betrayal is not the right word, the only thing that he managed to do is disappoint. He wasn't willing or able to commit to the themes that he had set. He tried to have his cake and eat it too and that ALWAYS backfires. When you try to please everyone you end up pleasing no one. If you read the leaked school AU pages you can see how insecure and out of touch he is. He thinks that the people online criticize him because the ending was predictable and not subversive enough. You can't make this shit up. "Subverting expectations" has become the biggest meme in storytelling this past decade. It changed from doing something other than the expected to doing anything other than the expected, even if the expected is better for the story. |
majinaleMay 16, 2021 6:07 AM
majinale said: Orochi97 said: The shipping war turned out be a graveyard, I'm fine with Mikasa moving on. But eren as a character gets butchered, it hurts to see the boy who yearned for freedom was a slave to destiny. if the leaks are true, I have no will to read it anymore. Thanks Isayama! Hope you finally found peace by betraying the fandom. Betrayal is not the right word, the only thing that he managed to do is disappoint. He wasn't willing or able to commit to the themes that he had set. He tried to have his cake and eat it too and that ALWAYS backfires. When you try to please everyone you end up pleasing no one. If you read the leaked school AU pages you can see how insecure and out of touch he is. He thinks that the people online criticize him because the ending was predictable and not subversive enough. You can't make this shit up. "Subverting expectations" has become the biggest meme in storytelling this past decade. It changed from doing something other than the expected to doing anything other than the expected, even if the expected is better for the story. exactly. these new leaks don’t even feel like attack on titan, they just feel cheap and lazy.. something anybody could’ve put together in 10 minutes, and isayama is a better writer than this.. he’s just too easily influenced i guess. you’re so right about subverting expectations being disastrous lately tho lmaooo, it’s like when arya killed the night king in GOT despite the massive 8 seasons worth of build up for jon to kill him. it’s these sorts of things that make no sense from a story-telling perspective. isayama clearly lost his way at some point, and now this story leaves a very bitter taste in my mouth and i don’t think many anime onlies will be happy with the ending either. |
imbAF said: nowandforever said: absolutely agree. i was one of the few who kind of liked the ending and saw it is “beauty in a cruel world” and acceptance and moving on despite the continuing cycle of hatred.. but after the leaks i don’t know what to think anymore looooll the story has lost any possible message or meaning that it ever had if the titans return.. and mikasa’s love was strong enough to break a 2000 year curse yet she has children in the same chapter where eren cries about wanting her to love him forever? so much for the tragedy of eternal love, not sure why romance was even introduced if yams planned to throw it away like this. i just can’t believe my eyes honestly looool and i don’t think isayama is aware that women can move on without marrying and having babies. the whole thing is just a mess, and a complete set up for a sequel. disastrous writing. But if it would end up with EM, for a shipper like you it would have been enoufh to be masterpiece xD. eren is my favourite, but i knew he had to die and wanted that to happen. i’ve discussed this with you already lmaoooo are you just a hardcore jean x mikasa shipper or smth?? you’re making me cringe. |
imbAF said: nowandforever said: eren is my favourite, but i knew he had to die and wanted that to happen. i’ve discussed this with you already lmaoooo are you just a hardcore jean x mikasa shipper or smth?? you’re making me cringe. Yeah definitely, because my attention does not revolve around the story and the different topic and issues that it raises such as, racism, ancestral guilt, discrimination, hate, freedom, Determinism vs indeterminism, or a bunch of other topics, it was all about whom Mikasa would ride. But you already came out as a EM shipper, you can't really say anything to me. ...okay? and that’s why i started watching aot too. i literally said that isayama should not have introduced romance if he was going to throw it away like this and not properly execute it. he should’ve never introduced EM if mikasa (FMC) was going to end up with jean (side character) in the last six pages with no development. it’s not all about who mikasa rides at all, which is why i’m mad that isayama wasted his final pages on this when no one cares if mikasa moves on and has kids/who she marries. the pages should’ve been extra clarification like he said they would be. not sure why you keep bringing up EM as if it automatically discredits everything else i say lmaoooo |
nowandforeverMay 16, 2021 9:45 AM
| i am still looking forward to the extra 6 pages |
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| Woah woah 🤩😳 there, This final chapter has hit 2000 1/5 votes. I don't think any other manga has hit 2000 votes in total but this has 2000 1/5 votes alone. Records in the making. |
| "I think I wanted to attack something. Like betraying people or hurting people. And, well, it's not exactly nice, but hurting the readers too... In all honestly, I feel that's what I really wanted to do. For me, as a reader, when I think, "this manga will remain in my heart," it means, for example, it phenomenally hurt me: It's those kinds of experiences I'm after." - Pajime Hisayama (My favourite hurting author). |
| The think is why he(Isayama sensei) wants to end this AOT series so quickly with so many unfilled plothole and also include some unnecessarily forced relationship? He can at least take a break to refresh his mind and then continue on this series for another few years IF HE REALLY FEEL TIRED ABOUT THIS SERIES. No one gonna force him to end this AOT so quickly and I'm sure many readers also want him to write a statisfied and resonable plotting too. I think Isayama sensei should learn from Togashi sensei, now his blonde hair charcter still on the boat, so freedom!!😂 |
| Berserk always in my heart |
| I really did think the ending to this manga would've been the definition of a masterpiece, but instead all we got was some bullshit that barely even made sense and contradicted a lot of the story. I would've preferred Eren and Mikasa actually just sailing off in the sunset as a couple after the rumbling, but instead we got something that was just incoherently bad. |
| It's aight because this is 100 years in to the future. Eren was successful in giving his friends long lives and bringing peace to the world for a while. True, that the cycle of hatred continues, so does the war but only after generations have passed. The cycle may restart with the boy(or girl?) Becoming another ymir or something like that. Even if the boy/girl acquires the power, it would be obselete ina world full of flying jets and crazy artillery. This ending ain't that bad, doesnt take away Erens plans neither alliance/armin's cause its long past their lives. On the contrary, it's an open end, Eldia's sins will not be forgotten, no possibility for peace,cycle continues, Erens sacrifice paves a way for the delayed inevitability of war, titan powers srill existing so that invalidates survey corp's sacrifices (it makes the levi scene meaningless) and many more. All in all, what Eren did was not meaningless, the ending is not the worst thing in the world, and the problems with the wrriting is debatable. |
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| This ending sucked! but back in 84' when I scored for over 215 points, that certainly did not suck. Great one PUNCHING OUT. |
| Really good ending!!10/10 Manga. |
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| These leaks about to push my score down to a 7/10. The ending and last arc still suck but these additional pages aint good either. Eren went from 🐐 to straight 🤡. |
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| I thought the extra pages weren't bad and I'm glad some of the leaks were definitely exaggerated lol. Now that the content for the final chapter seem set and stone I'm gonna settle for a 9/10 for the overall manga which might seem crazy to some people but oh well. |
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| Man srsly this new ending is even worse than the previous ending. Didn't get rid of the titans, eldians still got rolled over by the rest of the world 20% he left behind.... Mikasa still hasn't moved on... Would prefer the previous shit over this anyday. Atleast there you can interpret what would happen next, eren became free finally from being a slave.... to fate. and eldia isnt pulvurized to dust. I dont give a fuck eren's characther was assasinated, and it should of always been eren historia ending with the new born baby being totally free. Born in a world without the vicous cycle. |
| I'm looking forward to the sequal. |
FuburMay 18, 2021 8:48 PM
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| Wait, Ymir was living inside the paths or Mikasa? What the scene were "what if" King fritz was killed instead of her? so she lived long and her daughters didn't eat her so no more titans? So it's an alternate scenario where the original Eldia evolved "peacefully" with no titan intervention and eventually it get's destroyed by another country? Is the tree located in Paradis, or in continental Eldia after the "what if" or it was Paradis that got destroyed because of Yeagerists imperial ambitions? If there's a sequel, will be Hizuru the next enemy? Does the Hallucigenia comes from outer space thousands or millions of years ago? |
gab0hatecrew said: The only thing they truly added was the Ymi´s conversation. All the postapocaliptic scenario isnt even canon. Its like an Omake (you coudn´t even see the "owari" at the end. So, the manga will end with the "thank you" of mikasa and thats it, the other thing doesnt even have any dialogue or text or any connetion at all, its like a scrapt (that they alredy said the would include it and will not change the real ending) It didn't says owari but 完 (Kan) That means completed. |
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