The way Mal organizes split seasons is weird..

momentie said:


Yes thank you for once more explaining the original question😅. Would you not therefore accept that its one rule for say bleach or detective Conan and another for split seasons? If not fair enough, I was just wondering lol

Kruszer said:


The Reasoning behind it seems to be whether or not a given show airs continuously or takes breaks. If it takes breaks and stops airing for longer than a season then the seasons are capped off and considered separate shows and if they do not take breaks and keep airing through multiple seasons then it is just considered the same show. Maybe it's easier for the database people to make new entries than it is to find and edit old ones.

I'd rather be able to mark things as finished than have like a thousand incomplete franchise titles taking up space in my watching list personally.

Lunilah said:
Why would you treat different things the same way? They're different. It would be unfair to treat different things the same way.

momentie said:


But surely part 1 is going to suffer heavily when it's -well- part 1 ergo it's incomplete😅

Lunilah said:
Sure, that's a possibility. But that's how it was written and produced, intended to be consumed, and it ought not be rated on something or in a way that it is not. It ought to be scored on what it is.

momentie said:


I can agree with you but I feel like you should be able to see how the split season thing is comparable to if bleach were divided into myltiple entry's😅

Lunilah said:
Yes, if you change reality they would be comparable. It's easy to see anything in a hypothetical.

momentie said:


What do you mean change realty, the reality is the season in both jobless reincarnation's case and rezero had to be split for the sake of delays, it wasn't intended to be that way, so really ur the one speaking in hypotetcials😂

Lunilah said:
It doesn't matter why they were split, they're split. That's a fact. I'm not speaking in hypotheticals at all.

momentie said:


The reason isn't what counts, you stated that we should judge split seasons as individuals but I'm saying that in the case the creaters would of preferred and planned that it was one complete season, then its fairly straigth forward to think that a sight like Mal would merge the two entry's together once both parts are complete. That's all I'm suggesting as I find it unfair to judge a part 1 that was never intended to be standalone.

Lunilah said:
Judge split seasons as split seasons in the context of what they are, in a franchise. Just not as a whole, because they're not whole.
It doesn't matter what they preferred, what came out is not what they preferred, that's reality.

momentie said:


Well that a perfectly fair view to take, I'm glad it only took us a couple doesn't messages to get to your answer😅. Sorry for any confusion along the way😎👍

Lunilah said:
Yeah idk, i probably could have worded it better somewhere along the lines.

momentie said:
Furthermore something like jobless reincarnation was not originally meant to be split but it has been due to scheduling during the pandemic, so what about in a case like that😅

deg said:


this is Fake News, it was originally meant to be Split Cour and the 2nd cour is labeled as Season 2 by the Marketing Team or Production Committee, the delay is the 2nd cour due to production problems like you said

deg said:


this is Fake News, it was originally meant to be Split Cour and the 2nd cour is labeled as Season 2 by the Marketing Team or Production Committee, the delay is the 2nd cour due to production problems like you said

momentie said:


So what part of it exactly isn't true lol😅

deg said:


that it was not meant to be split cour

momentie said:


That's what I said😅, that it was originally meant to be a single series but ended up split in two

deg said:


err give me a source that says it was originally have to be 2 cour continuous series then

momentie said:


Look fella I amment running for president😅 but I'm pretty confident in saying that the coming cour is labeled as season 1 part 2 and that they were originally planned as a single 24 EP series but got split cause of covid however if you'd like to show me a source of your own that states it was always planned this way then feel free to put your money where your mouth is😅

deg said:


here https://twitter.com/AIR_News01/status/1349926102517440513
now your turn

momentie said:


Did you... Did you actually read that, it litterally says what I said. I feel you may of mis read a message at some point in this conversation becuase your source litterally confirms what I said.

Heres mine I guess - https://twitter.com/AIR_News01/status/1349926102517440513

deg said:


where does it says its ONE 2 cour season? and not a Split Cour? or what you all a Split Season?

MAL database moderators gets their info on official news sources like that quoted by that tweet its directly from the Marketing Team of the anime

youre too confuse huh i guess lean what Split Cour means or even what a Cour actually means before talking shit

momentie said:


Fella calm yourself, your makeing your self look like a rigth fool😅. My original point was that the show was intended as one series and was split due to production error. The post you linked states that the show was intended to be one set of 24, ergo that's my point. It is quite litterally impossible to do 24 weekly episodes within the space of one cour, no one said it was meant to be a single cour, only that the gap between Cours is an unfortunate consequences of the times we live in, your linked post in no one deins that😅.

There's no reason to be cross here, I'm perfectly aware of what a cour is as I'm sure you are to. Slow your roll and read what been said rather then figthing against something that nobody ever mentioned😅

deg said:


NO youre missing the point the blur ray listing meant to say its 2 cour or 2x11(to 13 episodes) so 20+ episodes its not meant to read as ONE 2 cour season ONLY

momentie said:



I'm sorry but your sort of balbling friend. It quite clearly says its a single 24 ep season which is obviously two cours. Thats it. Were saying the same thing, I really can't see your issue😅

deg said:


the issue here is that you said its not originally Split Cour or Split Season in your book, i guess you forgot what you said

momentie said:


Yes the original plan was for it to be 24 EPs but they were forced to make that into to seperated split Cours due to delays, that is litterally what the article you linked is confiming

deg said:


lol thats not what the tweet is saying at all 2 cours of disc content does not mean ONE season only it can also mean Split Cour like said by that tweet too

momentie said:


But non of that effects what I said😅

deg said:


youre spreading Fake News that Jobless Reincarnation is ORIGINALLY planned to be ONE 2 cour season

momentie said:


If you can show me definite proof that it was always planned to be delayed by a global pandemic leading to it being split in two then sure I'll agree with you, until then u are litterally being contraien fr what I can only presume is for no particular reason.

You are aware that in the vast magority of cases a season is only split becuase of delays or other real life issues occur. Therefore I'm argueing from the default position, it is the standard to presume a season split into two Cours has been done so due to real life scheduling or bugdetry issues. To say that for some bizare reason the original production teams plan was, what? Rather then two 12 EPs series they decided to do one series with a 6 month gap, then you need to provide evidence otherwise your the one spreading miss-turths

deg said:


if you want to talk hypotheticals and theories then sure but Split Cour is the norm now not just because of better production schedule (which is still rarely happens due to overproduction of anime) but it also meant to maximize profit of merchandising

here is my source https://twitter.com/aottt5478/status/1368596003763331076

i always given source to my claims but you did not and again my source originally was from the Production Committee or Marketing Team so i said originally to blame them instead and not MAL

momentie said:


Fella for the dozenth time your barking up the wrong tree. If you could back peddled any faster you'd leave burnmarks😅.

No one ever said there isn't a good reason that Cours get split and once more your source is confirmation, it outlines why seasons get split. All I'm saying is that that isn't usually the plan, they get split for one of the reasons outlined in your source. I don't have a source because it is the default to suggest that a season is meant to be one block. If not then why the fuck do we call them season/series?😂

Again neither of your post litterally do anything to back up your claim, you are quite clearly the one who's read this wrong.

Are you honestly telling me that they wouldn't of had it be one season had it not been for the couf? If so prove it or don't go around accusing people of false news.

Where did I blame Mal lol, I was just asking people opinions on how they go about scoring animes that are listed in these more unique ways. It fasinates me your struggling to grasp that so much😅, my apologies if something I said has been unclear

deg said:


err i give up then, language barrier is striking hard here

MAL and me are following what the Marketing Team is saying on how the anime industry labels things and how the database here follows that, while you have your own rules clearly and the burden of proof should be on you not me considering your the one saying its originally planned to be 20+ continues one season only and not Split Cour like the Marketing Team or Production Committee is saying

momentie said:


Is that your way of saying that the conversation is going in circle because of your deinile of ya know... Basic industry standard.

It's fascinating that you've tried to change the topic to Mal at the final moment, no one ever said Mal didn't act in accordance with the release schedule, u are litterally trying to change the topic rather then answer the simple question.

It's not on me to give anything you 1. Called me out for something despite having any knowledge on it yourself and 2. You are litterally segueing against reality? Why is a season called a season? It's a tag which defines a block of television released concurrently, if a season is split in two, rather then being labeled as two seperate series, then clearly something irregular has happened otherwise it would be labeled as season 1 and season 2 not s1 part 1 and 2. Your clearly segueing from a position of absurdity, u have no proof, yet you called me out and you refuse to acknowledge the point. Again apologies if anything I wrote was unclear but answer me this,

Is it not the default position to presume a season will air on one continuous block unless outside circumstances intervene?

deg said:


before i continue again how do you define a Season and a Cour? what differentiates them?

but about this
>Is it not the default position to presume a season will air on one continuous block unless outside circumstances intervene?

like the tweet says Split Cour is the norm now not because of simply making better production schedule but to maximize profit FIRST so ye its capitalism greed 101

zombie_pegasus said:
MAL's rule for seasons is that they get split after either the name of the series changes or there's at least a 3 month air gap (or both, in most cases). Bleach aired as one continuous run, which is why it isn't split into seasons, while Boku no Hero Academia takes frequent breaks, making it qualify to be split up. MAL also has the rule that anime aired before 2004 don't need to be split up even if they had air gaps over 3 months or changed name, which is why Cardcaptor Sakura, Ranma 1/2, and The Big O are listed as single entries despite otherwise qualifying to be split up.

The main reason for this is for convenience for seasonal watchers, as it would be annoying to have a split cour show sit in your watching or on-hold section for 3+ months while you wait around for the next season of it to air, and obviously once it's in people's lists it wouldn't make sense to merge the two parts.

Gintama's seasons are probably the most different in terms of Japan vs. the West since in Japan the 2006 series is considered 4 seasons while all Western streaming sites other than Hulu consider it to only be one season. Some of the later split cour seasons would be considered single seasons in Japan while in the West we split them up.

JokerVentura said:
The reason for a long running show being one entry and multiple seasons that air in different years being separate is obvious, what is the point of this thread?

momentie said:


Well if your capable of reading you'll note that the point is to ask what people make of it. In your own words "The reason - is obvious - what is the point of this' question.

So in your case do you find it difficult to give a single out of ten score to a show with 300+ eps like bleach or alternatively how do you decided what to score split seasons that each get their own mal entry, i.e. do you score them individually or give both a combined score?

Hope that clears up any confusion you may have😎😊.

JokerVentura said:


Yes I am capable of reading and 'you're' opening question is why MAL does it, and if people find it weird? The answer to the former is obvious as I stated and to the latter, not at all.
As for my thoughts on scoring 300 episodes, it is no different to 12, I weigh the overall quality vs my enjoyment and come to a score, the number of episodes has no relevance in the slightest.

momentie said:


The reasoning behind it is clear and has been made furthermore by more then just you friend, however weather people find it the ideal method is a case of opinion and well you know what they say about opinions? As such asking if others also find it 'weird' seems like a fairly standard use of questions form board.

Thanks you for answering, that's a perfectly valid opinion, I personally find it difficult to truly represent my complete opinion of a work of that many episodes down into just a single number, where as with 12 episodes there's a lot less to consider but like I said in my initial post, that's a me issue, which you obviously don't share.


I would inquire into what exactly you believe the purpose of a form is based on your original comment. Is the point not to ask questions about shows and opinions about the medium in general? What exactly we're you looking for?😂

JokerVentura said:


I believe they should be used to promote genuine discussion, sadly due to certain users threads and certain moderators it is less so these days.
I am actually surprised and apologise if you really didn't understand why, my current default mode is sarcasm to threads hence my initial response.

momentie said:


Yes it's nice and all that one member of the industry made a tweet but are you really saying you don't think the global virus had nothing to do with that?

The default for most sensible people is that a season refers to one set of anime weather it be one cour like madoka magica or 4 cours like full metal alcamist brotherhood.

If your saying that the industry is changing (which ur source does implie) then that's fair enough but that on its own doesn't mean I'm spreading fake news by presuming the normal default stance applies when addressing a show heavily affected by real world issues. As such you still haven't actually made a case for how I'm spreading mis-information, rather you've put forward the idea that the industry is changing, to which I agree. Once again I feel like we're not arguing over anything here, rather your making one point to which I agree but to which doesn't disprove my initial statement.

momentie said:


Ya, thanks for answering but they're definitely categorised seperately in the eyes of the production studio🤔

momentie said:


As I said I understand the reasoning, the question was and I think has (possible for worse rather then better) sparked some conversation.

Furthermore I agree with you that the forms are seemingly 50% people whining about weather this or that show is or isn't over/under-rated.

I'm still slightly confused on how my initial post isn't one of discussion? I was genuinely interested in what other peoples opinions are when it comes to scoring larger anime and more recently the new slew of seasons that are split in two. Not sure what sort of question you think would spark better conversation in a broud sense?


No need to apologies, as I said, I can completely understand the urge to resort to sarcasm around these parts, hopefully it's clear what the intention of the post was now👍.