Seasonreaper said: Except for Kyon. ):Technically everyone in TMoHS is 3 anyway. |
Yamine said: I was watching Clannad ~After Story~ the other day and It did make me think about their idolization of school girls. Though I did explain to her that Nagisa's the only one who looks like a little girl, whilst Tomoyo and Kyou all look older. There's nothing sick about a fantasy. That reminds me that I need to go finish it. |
| I think it is fading away, but I honestly don't mind. Lolis are starting to get on my nerves. |
| <!--link--><a href="http://myanimelist.net/animelist/angelfire892&sclick=1"> Being sane is over rated :) |
| I think the loli trend really needs to go, all they make now is stupid anime with stupid lolis, generally. (Though I guess I shouldn't be talking, I'm a bit of a shota-con...) I don't see it as an actual danger to real life though. I am in no way attracted to little boys. It's just annoying to see the lolis taking over all the anime coming out right now. Moe is pretty damn annoying if overused as well, though a little can be alright. |
| Hey, they're only drawings fictional non-realistic character. I won't get sexually aroused by whatever I see in animes. |
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takfuji200 said: the more somebody denies it the more they do it.. So if I ask you if you're a flaming homosexual and you deny it means you're probably at a gaybar humping men everyday. Rrrrriiiight... *rolls eyes* |
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| I could go on and on about how much i hate lolis. but reading the first part of this thread it made me realize that this is not the place to be haveing crazy hate speeches. so i will communicate my message calmly and fairly. Lolicon comes from a book by Vladimir Nabokov. The book was titled Lolita. The entire premise of the story is about a middle aged man with a sexual attraction to pre teen girls. He called them Nymphs. Then one day finding the perfect nymph he dubbed her Lolita.Hence started his sexual realationship with this little girl. I don't know how Lolita became Lolicon but it all stems from this book. Now i don't have a sexual attraction for pre teen girls so i don't understand what these people think. my best guess would be they are turned on by the idea of superiority they are older and bigger and have complete control over the smaller younger girl. Innocence might also play a part. Through out history men have found virgins 10 times more desireable then non virgins. the idea of them not knowing anything about sex. And then you coming and forceing it on them, is the best thing i can come up with about why people like lolicon. As to why it is wrong. i think children need to be children. even if two 12 year olds were to have sex with each other that would still be wrong. Beacuse they are not only phyiscaly not ready they are also mentally unready. This reminds me of a story that a dear freind of mine told me. When she was only 8 years old she was molested. when i asked her about it she told me this "It broke my brain" it may sound silly but that is the truth. children that are forceabily exposed to sex end up haveing long lasting mental trauma, which greatly effects the kind of person they become. this person might have been a leader in bussiness, but beacuse she was molested as a child her whole outlook on life changed. i don't need to tell you that lolis are obviously meant as borderline child pornagraphy.The people that seek out this kind of thing are seeking out the ruination of a persons entire life. and that my freinds is the most evil thing a person can do. as for the trend waning. i don't know. all i will say is i hope it is. for the sake of all society. |
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EcchiEcho said: I could go on and on about how much i hate lolis. but reading the first part of this thread it made me realize that this is not the place to be haveing crazy hate speeches. so i will communicate my message calmly and fairly. Lolicon comes from a book by Vladimir Nabokov. The book was titled Lolita. The entire premise of the story is about a middle aged man with a sexual attraction to pre teen girls. He called them Nymphs. Then one day finding the perfect nymph he dubbed her Lolita.Hence started his sexual realationship with this little girl. I don't know how Lolita became Lolicon but it all stems from this book. Now i don't have a sexual attraction for pre teen girls so i don't understand what these people think. my best guess would be they are turned on by the idea of superiority they are older and bigger and have complete control over the smaller younger girl. Innocence might also play a part. Through out history men have found virgins 10 times more desireable then non virgins. the idea of them not knowing anything about sex. And then you coming and forceing it on them, is the best thing i can come up with about why people like lolicon. As to why it is wrong. i think children need to be children. even if two 12 year olds were to have sex with each other that would still be wrong. Beacuse they are not only phyiscaly not ready they are also mentally unready. This reminds me of a story that a dear freind of mine told me. When she was only 8 years old she was molested. when i asked her about it she told me this "It broke my brain" it may sound silly but that is the truth. children that are forceabily exposed to sex end up haveing long lasting mental trauma, which greatly effects the kind of person they become. this person might have been a leader in bussiness, but beacuse she was molested as a child her whole outlook on life changed. i don't need to tell you that lolis are obviously meant as borderline child pornagraphy.The people that seek out this kind of thing are seeking out the ruination of a persons entire life. and that my freinds is the most evil thing a person can do. as for the trend waning. i don't know. all i will say is i hope it is. for the sake of all society. Oh Jesus Christ. You fail for comparing lolicon to real life molestation. They are not the same. AT. ALL. Lolicon will never be child porn either because they are drawings. Drawings do not have feelings and never will. Lolicon does not hurt anybody. |
Drunk_Samurai said: Oh Jesus Christ. You fail for comparing lolicon to real life molestation. They are not the same. AT. ALL. Lolicon will never be child porn either because they are drawings. Drawings do not have feelings and never will. Lolicon does not hurt anybody. And who exactly cares? It's not like anyone cares about children, feelings, hurting, bacon or whatever. They are just like "OMFG, CHILD PORN IS TEH EVUHL!!1". In Germany it's even illegal to watch porn where the adult actors LOOK underage. Of course, in a perfect world only actually harmful thing would be illegal. But do we live in such a world? |
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pra said: Drunk_Samurai said: Oh Jesus Christ. You fail for comparing lolicon to real life molestation. They are not the same. AT. ALL. Lolicon will never be child porn either because they are drawings. Drawings do not have feelings and never will. Lolicon does not hurt anybody. And who exactly cares? It's not like anyone cares about children, feelings, hurting, bacon or whatever. They are just like "OMFG, CHILD PORN IS TEH EVUHL!!1". In Germany it's even illegal to watch porn where the adult actors LOOK underage. Of course, in a perfect world only actually harmful thing would be illegal. But do we live in such a world? Feminists care because most are idiots like Agnes Chan. People need to learn that lolicon doesn't hurt anybody. |
| I don't think it is waning. There's probably just as many lolicon people as there was 3-4 years ago. The only difference is it isn't as big, nor has there been as much interest with lolis in the current age. This year has been something like the Moe year, which sometimes includes some lolis. |
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| God this feels totally blown out of proportion. I get the funny feeling that I'm one of the only ones that watches these shows and doesn't really notice "Oh she has a flat chest" or "She's really short, she looks like a child!" Seriously though, if all it takes to make you like or dislike a show is something that readily portrays that then just dont watch it, dont complain about it. I am a fan of loads of anime, admittedly alot of it portrayed by Rie Kugimiya who we all know is renowned for playing the same type of role but I can honestly say that I have never thought the sort of thoughts about any of the characters she has played. Okay well that might be a lie, anyone who enjoyed Toradora has probably had the odd thought about Taiga but even then, it's not exactly a sexual one. More along the lines of just wishing you were Ryuuji lol. But yes I'm drifting from my point. Many of these anime are fantastic yet many of you are picking up on all the negatives you can find, I have a room mate who enjoys looking at Anthro stuff but that doesn't mean he is going to go and molest an animal. It's EXACTLY the same with the lolicon stuff, personally I quite like a lot of the anime where it is supposedly a prevalent theme, hell look at my list and you would see that but I have not once thought, "Yeah that episode of Lucky Star was so good, I think I'm gonna find someone that looks like Tsukasa and rape her!" This topic seems to be missing the point and seems like it's alot of unwarranted hate as people seem to have no faith in other people when it comes to their viewing preferences. Thats my two cents and I shall leave it at that, I have no doubt I'll probably get flamed for my view but if I do, hell it will just prove my own points! |
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| Being moe-loli fanboy myself, its a good thing that this trend is waning. It just sucks when it getting too popular. I prefer to be a follower of small cult rather than big things. |
| My opinion on the matter, if it matters to anyone, is that loli is more about age. Yes you have the small breasted women in the shows, but are of age, and have a certain characteristic that makes them look their age, I believe the eyes have a large part in it. In fact I tend to like the small breasted characters simply because, most the time, the have personality to make up for it. Then theres loli, and pedo bear. Loli, like I said is more about the age, or looking a certain age. In the case of Lucky Star, thats more chibi than anything, take it out of chibi mode, then you have 4 girls that look like any other 4 girls in pretty much any other high school series. Taiga, from Toradora is not loli, because she looks her age, she looks under developed, and during So, my opinion of what loli is has largely to do in part of body ratios, not so much breasts. There are also the loli characters who are in their story "of age", but that can be explained from growth defects, or not drinking their milk. After all that reasoning, I have come to the conclusion that there is a lot more moe out there, and moe I describe as the innocent look, with more of the physical looks. And that loli is pretty much found in ecchi series, and hentai, things that were created to be actual fetish stuff. So I think the trend of loli in anime is more of a way to denote a certain something about a character whether they're frail or innocent or what. So I believe its not really a threat in anime, but in hentai it is, and I'm not going to lie, I enjoy the occasional bit of hentai, and its becoming increasingly difficult to find non loli hentai. |
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| i dont think loli is all that bad, as long as it doesnt result in pedophilia |
MidnightBlossom said: i dont think loli is all that bad, as long as it doesnt result in pedophilia Well that would be pretty damn impossible considering loli's are just drawings. |
| I like Loli characters, In fact 2 of my favorites are actually Loli. The adorable Furude Rika-Chama and the wonderful Fate Testarossa. A well done loli character is well done. Though personally, I too have trouble believing they could be viewed as sex symbols by others. Drunk_Samurai said: MidnightBlossom said: i dont think loli is all that bad, as long as it doesnt result in pedophilia Well that would be pretty damn impossible considering loli's are just drawings. Well, whaddya know, a couple of my friends think I'm into little kids too. Personally, real kids annoy me, don't even know how to play with them and they talk non-sense that is so hard to understand. Kids after 9 year old are better, they know how to play monopoly and video games, thus making my baby sitting so much easier. |
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Drunk_Samurai said: Oh Jesus Christ. You fail for comparing lolicon to real life molestation. They are not the same. AT. ALL. Lolicon will never be child porn either because they are drawings. Drawings do not have feelings and never will. Lolicon does not hurt anybody. This Fellow got a prison sentence for possessing Lolicon Manga, albeit with a certain amount of hentai. The thing is, it doesn't matter if YOU associate lolicon with child molestation. It only matters what the courts think. |
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Shintech said: FOOLS, loli IS NOT A TREND We're talking about the popularity of the aesthetic and theme within the anime and manga industry. |
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lollypatrolly said: As disgusting as that interest of his is, am I the only one who's disturbed by the fact that he was sentenced for something that is essentially a thoughtcrime? I doubt many here have read 1984, so the reference is probably lost. For the most part, the general populace of the US has forgotten about it as well. Which is to the advantage to the current regime. |
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| I've never really understood how Lucky Star was a 'loli' anime. The only one who can be classed as that is Konata. Just because it has a basic character design doesn't make it loli. Neither were any of them sexualised (minus Miyuki by Konata but w/e). |
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| eh, i dont mind |
| We'll theres Two sides of thinking, If you think about what people want in anime theres allways both sides arguing the bigger the better,more of a turn on if there bigger bla bla bla But from my own opinion the loli is much for of a realistic figure, yes having several Undersized girls on your screen isn't the best of choice but it just seems more natural Which is why it seems more Perverse when you get loli ecchi anime's but it's not exactly any worse then a big boobed-based ecchi anime  |
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Krimson said: Drunk_Samurai said: Oh Jesus Christ. You fail for comparing lolicon to real life molestation. They are not the same. AT. ALL. Lolicon will never be child porn either because they are drawings. Drawings do not have feelings and never will. Lolicon does not hurt anybody. This Fellow got a prison sentence for possessing Lolicon Manga, albeit with a certain amount of hentai. The thing is, it doesn't matter if YOU associate lolicon with child molestation. It only matters what the courts think. It doesn't matter what the court thinks. We all know they are fucking stupid. Take it to this thread anyway. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=158751&show=100 |
| while i dont particularly like lolis for the sake of fanservice, they can provide as important comedic tools in anime; whether you personally like them or not there will mostlikely always be some sort of demand for them, so my conclusion is that whether or not the loli trend is waning or not isn't very relevant because they wont wane all too much. So basically if the trend hit a low point there will still be a very noticeable amount of lolis, and this conclusion, if you support it, should be the only relevant observation about the trend. |
| I don't think it is waning. |
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| I was reading around this topic, and as it originally stated is the loli trend waning, not is it a justifiable anime sub genre. As long as there is individual interests at stake with anime, loli will stay atleast a modest sub character representation. Where you have the fans with interest in large breasts you will have the fans with interest in small to no breast. It's simply a balancing point of particular tastes. Though it may be a sad state of affairs, there will never be a point in the world when someone does not look at a child or child like character with a sexual interest. People are flawed by nature, and many people become twisted over time. As loli is only a description term taken out of its actual full meaning of lolicon, to say that its waning or hasnt already been present for sometime is a bit out of sorts. I believe the very first hentai(japanese adult cartoon) made was a lolicon film. Of this I'm most certain as I collect anime/hentai history as part of my collection. Though the girls displayed where at the very most, with the exception of the 3rd episode, of highschool age. Before I get off track with what I'm attempting to say I'll get to the point. Loli is only a term of endearment, continually taken out of context. The base anime representation of loli and the actual definition are very much become unrelated to one another. So in total to all this, loli is not waning and has been present, and will continue to be, in the world of anime for along time. *personal opinion* It's not the breasts that make the women, but the women at a whole. With out personality and an overal interesting character, it doesn't matter if she is pleasing to the eyes. She becomes unpleasing to the heart, which is always the best place to look from. <--Not trying to be sappy there. O_o |
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