What is the most ridiculous criticism have you ever heard?

HanashiD4 said:
Note: I'm just gonna write it in scripted format for simple and relatable sake

Person A: Man, this X show is for cry and misery porn because... ( blah blah blah)... logically speaking.

Person B: Yeah, this X show is a melodramatic shit. I can't feel anything because of how "illogical it is".

Person C: Hold on! Lemme elaborate you the context and explanation behind the reason for his *crying moment*.

*jotting down the details on why X character was crying and suffering in the first place*

Person A & B: Pffft~ Bad writing! You're just presenting an excuse!

Me & Person C: *whispers* Geez, these eggheads are robotic af. Their criticisms are mere bullshit, and it doesn't make sense. I hope their real life is miserable too, and they shall be rotten to hell. *moves on and plays "Shut the Fuck Up by PINK GUY"*

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I mean, it's okay to comment how a certain show can be "for the sake of misery porn" unless there has to be a motive and context behind it... or you can just identify it by yourself and your own empathy/sympathy. It's a simple counterargument which tackles on how and why it has happened behind the face value in the first place. Human emotions and logics are important to show the character development to be human-like and relatable, but it depends if it's either lucid or not.

Either way, it's all subjective.

katsucats said:
I didn't say anything about objective anywhere in my post.

lol not even. He's still the same Subaru that got mad at a random person that forgot about Rem in the first episode. He's still the same Subaru that refuses the divulge important facts to his allies to his aggravating self-importance. He's still the same Subaru that causes his own allies to get killed because he refuses to kill the enemy. He's still the same Subaru that gets triggered by every little thing someone says instead of focusing at the goals ahead. He's still very much the same Subaru that took half the entire season to tell Beatrice what Roswaal tells him to tell her at the beginning of the fucking season. And none of this is even spoiler because anyone who was paying even the modicum of attention already knows.

Oh really, so who thinks their opinions are objective?

Yes, because you're the center of the universe, right?

Don't even try to get me banned with this petty trolling. I think we all know how this tactic works by now.

butterbucket said:


I understand your concerns but when you have people like @katsucats unable to understand the ideas in the story, you know the adaptation fucked up.

We aren't asking for a direct copy and paste of the WN but a faithful one that is able to convey its ideas in an understanding manner and the anime never does that. A lot of animeonly's were confused by everything going on in the anime and that's a clear sign of a BAD adaptation. Every problem in the anime is not present in the WN. Subaru's actions actually make sense because we're in his head. We are able to follow his moves cause he gives a detailed reason as to why he does it every time and the anime guts all of that, leading to, again, people like katsucats unable to empathize with the MC. And I don't blame him for not understanding, the anime never gives you a reason too. The show is a psychological exploration and a novel format is the only way to delve into it. Adapting it into a visual medium was never meant to be.

Please, read my profile to understand more about it. I highly advise you to do so.

-Ryu said:
I remember when I literally showed someone how the ending of Angel Beats doesn't have this so-called "plot hole" people with low attention span like to point out, how that twist was actually foreshadowed and built up to in the last few episodes, their answer was something like "Well it's still a plot hole to me because I didn't catch that stuff when I was watching"

Tristar_Shinobi said:
Yesterday one elitist high iq stud made a forum where he ceitisized every aAnime and Anime fan for not being MATURE

Dragonland04 said:
ain't this thread made like 2 times already ?
also that explanation was maybe the worst thing I have read all day

Dragonland04 said:

because there are forum rules against making duplicate threads and it is mentioned that you need to check if the topic has already been made before making a thread which the OP clearly didn't and that's the point of saying it , yes it does matter if it has been made before because the duplicate threads and locked and removed by mods

Dragonland04 said:

because there are forum rules against making duplicate threads and it is mentioned that you need to check if the topic has already been made before making a thread which the OP clearly didn't and that's the point of saying it , yes it does matter if it has been made before because the duplicate threads and locked and removed by mods

Dragonland04 said:

nice justification though , rules were broken and why should you care because no one else does , why are the rules made in the first place then and I have seen duplicate threads being taken down but not often

SparkingVolt said:


I just think that rule makes no sense. If someone made a thread in 2011 and someone made the same thread today. There are obviously going to be completely different answers. Even if it’s just days apart there’s always going to be different people seeing it and opinions change constantly.

Seiya said:
"X show" is full of "plot holes."

"Plot holes" don't exist. Deal with it.

Squilon said:


Wh... what? Are you seriously saying plot holes don't exist? Do you even know what a plot hole is?

Scratch that, if you're stating they don't exist you probably don't. Here's a definition (citing Cambridge and Oxford English dictionaries):
"In fiction, a plot hole, plothole or plot error is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot.[1] Such inconsistencies include things as illogical, unlikely or impossible events,[2] and statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline.[3] The term is more loosely also applied to "loose ends" in a plot – side-lined story elements that remain unresolved by the end of the plot."

If you're saying no anime ever has had plot holes, then you're just plain wrong. I'll give you a few examples if you like (kinda spoilers for Kimi no Na wa and JoJo's Bizarre Adventures ahead? If you haven't watched them and are planning on it, stop reading)

Seiya said:


I've never seen either of those anime, but you still can't prove me wrong. What you call "plot holes" are simply "direction" in a storyline. Some people are okay with that, but the critics who don't like those things will try to say that they disagree with the direction, but it's not a "hole."

Squilon said:


I literally did prove you wrong. Plot holes aren't "direction in an storyline", they're inconsistencies, gaps, or contradictions in a plot. Saying an anime has a plot hole isn't the same as saying "I don't like the direction the story took, or this other direction would have made more sense/would be better/etc." Those are different things.

I will agree with you that people throw around the term "plot hole" way too much, often when there really aren't any there, and that might be why you think of plot holes as being the same as direction choices in a storyline. However, there aren't; just because people sometimes use them as synonyms doesn't mean they are, and plot holes do definitely exist.

Seiya said:


Sorry, but you didn't prove me wrong. You don't have to agree with that, and that's fine, but plot holes don't exist.

Squilon said:


You're clearly not reading what I'm writing. I'll stop wasting my time. I hope this was useful to someone who wasn't very clear about what plot holes are, even if it wasn't useful to the person I was talking to.

Seiya said:


You're likely very young, and you've seen very little anime, and it appears that you only watch newer stuff, lol.

Squilon said:


Sorry, in what way does having watched less/newer anime than you connect with knowledge of the concept of plot holes? Plot holes don't only exist in anime, they exist in every form of storytelling. Looks like you're grasping at straws here. "Lol".

Seiya said:


No, what you call "plot holes" are simply "direction" in storytelling, and only critics poke at that stuff. I'm not a critic, and I hate critical people.

Squilon said:


I already answered that in a previous post. If you want to keep repeating yourself, that's fine. You're clearly not interested in having a constructive discussion, or reaching a consensus. Have a nice day.

Seiya said:


No, what you call "plot holes" are simply "direction" in storytelling, and only critics poke at that stuff. I'm not a critic, and I hate critical people.

AstZero said:


Plot holes most definitely exist and you can't prove they don't :).

HanashiD4 said:


Lol, I can notice already that you're seething about this since your criticism is far for him from being stupid of himself, and I understand that. However, you have to understand his stimulus response before receiving the information and reaction from someone whom he interacted to, and his psychological attitude corresponds to Operant Conditioning when he started not to gain trust from anybody else because the one who triggers the Witch Cult incident is among Subaru's ally too, or rather...



Unlike any other generic boring isekai protagonists, Subaru's behavior isn't really easy for him to snap it out, and say, "Oh, okay. I got it." in such a straight and boring way. He instead presses the question harder in order to not let them catch him off-guard by their possible manipulation. Just like talking to friends with selfish desire to steal from him as a particular method of closet bullying, Subaru competes against those type of people to back them off away from his pocket. This is why I appreciate his self-importance because the majority/minority within the world around him is no longer trustworthy for him even though he can casually trust them at the first sight. Yes, I agree that he can be stupid sometimes, but he isn't the type to be fragile from forcing the trust into him as always. You can't just write a "perfect" character who should do as someone says, but you can just write how a character behaves in that way without immediately proceeding the decision if either it's true or false... and that's pretty consistent with impression, reaction, and decision of moral hypotheses. Cognitive development is what I specifically meant, and that's how Subaru felt human-ish to me, and I can appreciate his stupidity because of his cluelessness.

You can't just conclude the supposed logic in such straight manner, but you have to understand the stimulus response around Subaru because Subaru really doesn't understand the purpose of his abrupt existence, and that's how he feels so lost and clueless since he doesn't fully know and understand about the alternate world he is in right now.

HanashiD4 said:


Lol, I can notice already that you're seething about this

HanashiD4 said:
since your criticism is far for him from being stupid of himself, and I understand that.

HanashiD4 said:
However, you have to understand

HanashiD4 said:
his stimulus response before receiving the information and reaction from someone whom he interacted to, and his psychological attitude corresponds to Operant Conditioning when he started not to gain trust from anybody else because the one who triggers the Witch Cult incident is among Subaru's ally too, or rather...

HanashiD4 said:
Unlike any other generic boring isekai protagonists, Subaru's behavior isn't really easy for him to snap it out, and say, "Oh, okay. I got it." in such a straight and boring way.

HanashiD4 said:
He instead presses the question harder in order to not let them catch him off-guard by their possible manipulation. Just like talking to friends with selfish desire to steal from him as a particular method of closet bullying, Subaru competes against those type of people to back them off away from his pocket.

HanashiD4 said:
This is why I appreciate his self-importance because the majority/minority within the world around him is no longer trustworthy for him even though he can casually trust them at the first sight.

HanashiD4 said:
Yes, I agree that he can be stupid sometimes, but he isn't the type to be fragile from forcing the trust into him as always.

HanashiD4 said:
You can't just write a "perfect" character who should do as someone says,

HanashiD4 said:
but you can just write how a character behaves in that way without immediately proceeding the decision if either it's true or false...

HanashiD4 said:
and that's pretty consistent with impression, reaction, and decision of moral hypotheses.

HanashiD4 said:
Cognitive development is what I specifically meant, and that's how Subaru felt human-ish to me, and I can appreciate his stupidity because of his cluelessness.

HanashiD4 said:
You can't just conclude the supposed logic in such straight manner,

HanashiD4 said:
but you have to understand the stimulus response around Subaru because Subaru really doesn't understand the purpose of his abrupt existence, and that's how he feels so lost and clueless since he doesn't fully know and understand about the alternate world he is in right now.

mojito_ said:
That hxh has no character development

katsucats said:
Gon, Kurapika, and Leorio have exactly the same perspectives, impulses, personality, ideals, naivete, etc., from the start as the show at the end of the show. Hell, that's par with any shounen fight though. When people talk about character development, they mean one of two things:

1. The audience learns more about the character as the show proceeds.
   
2. The character grows and learns from the world, reacts to the stimuli in some way that causes a core thematic change.

When people say HxH has no character development, they almost always mean #2. It's so frustrating to see Gon spout a bunch of idealistic bullshit after everything he's been through, or that he doesn't develop any sense of strategy or tactics. It's his character to be straightforward, as symbolized by his rock-paper-scissors punch, and so in a sense shounen fight conventions preclude character development. He gains no strategical experience in every fight that he's been through.

Now, it's lovely that every protagonist in anime has plot armor working for them, and they could get away with, for example, rushing into a fight without knowing the enemy's strength, and then coming out unscathed, or having all their bones broken, and then healing next week like it's nothing. That's the only reason why Naruto, HxH, Bleach, Fairy Tail, etc., makes it past episode 10.

mojito_ said:


You definitely know a lot more about this than I do. And you're right about Gon (i'm not his biggest fan.)

Characters like meruem, pitou, and killua do develop a ton throughout the show though. Meruem and pitou become more understanding and human, developing ties and emotions to their peers, and killua turns from just a psychotic 'puppet' to someone who can be who he actually wants to be, make choices of his own, and he learns to accept people and become friends with them rather than pushing them away.

Squilon said:


I already answered that in a previous post. If you want to keep repeating yourself, that's fine. You're clearly not interested in having a constructive discussion, or reaching a consensus. Have a nice day.

Hrybami said:
Anime is full of unlikely and illogical things. What you decide is a plot-hole is merely your own interpretation, thus it's completely subjective.

Hrybami said:
Actually plot-hole by their definition could exist in anime, but they are extremely rare and you can't find them that easily. And anyway, what most people consider plot-holes are either something they didn't understand or it's just something they though didn't make enough sense. While ironically, nothing make sense in anime so it's really stupid to pretend there are things you can accept and other you can't. A plot-hole is when something goes against the logic of the plot, a contradiction. In Kimi no Na Wa they never realized the change of date. There is no contradiction since the movie never made them notice the date and the flow of the story always went accordingly. Also, it's like affirming the characters must not make any mistake and are supposed to know and remember everything. At this point, I think we could say that every scenes in every anime would contain at least one plot-hole because what the characters say, think or the decisions they made are never fully realistic and logical.

katsucats said:
I agree with your first sentence. But then you contradict yourself in the rest of your post.

HeruruMeruru said:
Ooh, can't forget the classic: "Digimon Tamers suck because it doesn't use the Adventure characters".

Hrybami said:
I'm not sure where the contradiction lies. Anime might be full of illogical things, but their universes are still somewhat consistent in their own ways. They follow their own illogical logic if I may say. That's why I argue that bringing plot-holes as a mean to criticize anime is pointless and stupid. They are like attempt to denounce when a situation is too illogical or extremely unlikely... when about the totality of anime are illogical and unlikely.

katsucats said:
If plot-holes are subjective, then

• There is nothing to misunderstand, since there needs to be truth for someone to gain understanding.
• It doesn't preclude anyone from accepting or not accepting anything, since acceptance is subjective.
• You wouldn't be able to assert that there is or is not a contradiction in any anime without it being your subjective opinion.
• It wouldn't make sense for you to assert your subjective interpretations (e.g. "affirming the characters must not make any mistakes"), while at the same time calling other people out for supposedly not understanding the plot.
• The fact that something is subjectively interpreted has absolutely nothing to do with whether it's completely realistic in all aspects. If it's subjective, then it's subjective whether it's realistic or not. If it's realistic, it's because somebody interpreted it that way. What you've done is commit the No True Scotsman fallacy.