Cneq said: Have you read the source? No clue how you can even say that when you have no clue what the series even is, that's just blind hate. I've already said the anime itself is subpar and the content that it will cover is like judging HxH if it ended on the hunter exam arc, stop being ignorant. Yes, I have. And beyond that one arc in HxH where fighters go to upper floors in arena I see no similarities at all. |
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Cneq said: Have you even read the source? I went into this with no prior knowledge and not being a fan at all [I actually hate reading manga] and I can objectively say by s2 ep26 of the web toon it's easily on par with HxH. And with it being like HxH it follows the same exact problems HxH had, the hunter exam arc was arguably terrible and not a whole lot happened and after moving past where this anime will probably conclude it's basically the same deal, worst arc in this series. Although I'd argue this has more plot progression by the end of these 13 anime eps and s2 of the webtoon has already setup one of the most original plotlines I've seen. Source this, source that, doesn't matter if the execution is flat. lmao "original plotline do not steal" Kami_sama_ said: Tapertrain said: I want people to explain to me the appeal of Tower of God. We will be discussing first episodes. Excuse my writing it is 5 am and I can’t sleep. Tower of God’s first episode. Main character with almost no personality. The world is just a tower. it’s mysterious but it seems like the characters know so much more than I do. I don’t want to be drip fed context. Why should I be curious? You are correct, he has absolutely no personality and his motivation is dog shit, but that is the point. Tower of God contrasts Bam's blank-canvas naivety, dog shit motivation and immense power with the regulars who aren't naive, who hold strong and righteous motivations, but are nevertheless weak and will probably die in the tower. This is one of the shows/webtoons' most consistent themes, that you can't always get what you want regardless of how righteousness your actions may be, and that life is unfair. Additionally, Bam's naivety is built up throughout this season and should culminate in a certain plot-twist in the season finale. Personally, I didn't think much of the series until said plot-twist came up in the webtoon and it made me go "Ohhh so that is where this webtoon is going" as it sets up the direction of the story for the rest of the series. Bam is a dynamic protagonist unlike the protags in the shounen you listed (except for Eren in later episodes of AOT), so the Bam you see now is extremely different to the Bam in later seasons. Also, saying that the 'Tower of God' is just a tower is like saying that the Abyss in 'Made in Abyss' is just a hole. There is a lot more going on than what meets the eye and if you came to the show with the desire to be fed all the lore within the first four episodes than you have come to the wrong place. The source material for 'Tower of God' is longer than that of 'HunterXHunter' so don't suspect that all your questions will be answered so soon. P.S. I am not completely up to date with the Webtoon. lmao imagine comparing this to Made in Abyss The misteries there are actually captivating and the execution feels organic, not like some bland videogame tower. |
cryptsoul said: Hmm...I can see where your annoyance is coming from. But like the other users said, TOG season 1 is a lot of exposition. It’s not gonna give you everything from the start and Bam’s character is like that on purpose so that you can see his growth later on. Bam grows gradually as a character later on and if we get a green light for season 2 then you’ll see that. But, honestly, I’m just gonna state this: if you don’t like the show after the four episodes that aired then drop it. If you still want to watch then continue. At this point, I’ve seen too many threads on MAL complaining about TOG. >TOG season 1 has a lot of exposition. >Not gonna give everything from start. Is it me or do you don't make much sense? Are all TOG fans this dumb? |
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TheEnhancedExe said: 1Kyo said: Regardless of whether or not Death Note and AoT are your favorites, both had some of the greatest first episodes Anime has ever seen, whereas the weakest point of ToG is the way it starts. When I first read the Webtoon, it took me four attempts to make it past the first 15 chapters (which equal the first three episodes of the Anime), and that's when I started enjoying it, but only for the same reasons why I enjoy other typical shounen Anime. It is only the last episode of this season that I realized ToG is more than a generic shounen. Here's my advice: The fourth episode is the first good episode. If you're still completely uninterested after the first four episodes, then drop the show. If you're at least a little interested after the first four episodes then keep at it, because the season finale is absolutely worth it. I couldn't agree more. ToG takes its time to introduce characters in season 1 before it establishes a huge world with many more characters around the already known characters in season 2 while developing Bam as a character. There are a few anime and manga that start off weak until they dive into a deep world, develop their cast of characters or introduce interesting new characters, which makes them become better and better over time. One Piece and Gintama are both great examples of anime and manga that start off boring (at least imo), but become amazing. Although ToG is a lot more similar to One Piece in that aspect. I still listed Gintama because it's a great example of an anime/manga that starts off incredibly boring and ends up becoming one of the best anime I've ever seen. Lmao. Tog introduced lots of characters at once. And unsurprisingly, none of them are interesting i.e generic. You fans don't make much sense, do you? |
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Alpha_Druid said: >TOG season 1 has a lot of exposition. >Not gonna give everything from start. Is it me or do you don't make much sense? Are all TOG fans this dumb? How doesn't it make sense? I don't see how those 2 things contradict each other. |
Lightprayer said: Alpha_Druid said: >TOG season 1 has a lot of exposition. >Not gonna give everything from start. Is it me or do you don't make much sense? Are all TOG fans this dumb? How doesn't it make sense? I don't see how those 2 things contradict each other. Hm, so it wasn't a mistake then. ToG fans really are mentally challenged. |
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| In episode 4, Rachel agrees to kill them. But in episode 5, they are somehow protecting them now? Everyone apparently kills anyone in the first round but in later rounds they just incapacitate? What's the deal? Oh I know, the writer doesn't have balls to kill characters. So don't have people kill each other in the first place if you aren't going to follow it through. Only interesting character so far is Khun. They tried to develop his character amidst the door test but the execution was sloppy and felt a bit forced. Rak is comic relief albeit there being no requirement for one, since the anime is very light hearted already, making him redundant. Also, Rak never gets to fight until the 5th episode. The battles hold little to no stakes. The characters don't learn from their battles. Bam's plot armor is too thick. The world building is severely lacking. There is no sense of location. We aren't shown where the tests take place. Where do these administrators live? How do the characters ascend the floors? Via a staircase? Maybe a portal? We don't know. I was pretty excited to see this get animated. But so far it is a mediocre, not-so-generic but generic anime, with archetypal characters. Let's hope it improves. |
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dc22 said: Tapertrain said: Nobody explained to me why the show is interesting. I am genuinely curious. Because it isn't. Just the usual shounen hype casuals/webtoon fanboys inflating the average score. Read it before u say something about it. TOG is a masterpiece and far abover ur usual normal shounen stuff like mha, nanatsu no taizai, bleach, Naruto etc mainstream animes. It's even better than one piece on some aspects. |
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Still waiting for you to explain how those contradict each other. Or you can only throw insults when you don't know what to say? |
Twenty-fifth_Bam said: Read it before u say something about it. TOG is a masterpiece and far abover ur usual normal shounen stuff like mha, nanatsu no taizai, bleach, Naruto etc mainstream animes. It's even better than one piece on some aspects. I never expect you to include MHA. Good luck dealing with MHA fanbase. lmao |
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Twenty-fifth_Bam said: dc22 said: Because it isn't. Just the usual shounen hype casuals/webtoon fanboys inflating the average score. Read it before u say something about it. TOG is a masterpiece and far abover ur usual normal shounen stuff like mha, nanatsu no taizai, bleach, Naruto etc mainstream animes. It's even better than one piece on some aspects. No, no it's not lmao. It's sub-par even as a typical shounen. Also notice how you haven't answered the question on why it's supposed to be interesting, you just threw in some empty praises. |
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Maneki-Mew said: emyo93 said: There is a difference between a character that has no personality bcs of bad writing and a character that has no personality on purpose, just like Baam. He grew up locked in a cave with no opportunity to develop his personality or have dreams and with almost no life experience other than his contact with Rachel. He is a blank page. He will grow as a person as he climbs the tower and meets new people, faces new challenges and learns new things. If you are not okay with this type of character, then you should drop the series like other users have said. ^ this. I already read this about Hyakkimaru from Dororo for example as well. It's hard to develop a distinctive character without any life experience. Of course you have predispositions for character traits too, but you can't develop them either without so little influences from the outside. Yeah Hyakkimaru was interesting tho and done right. Baam is the most cliche protag i have ever seen tbh. Well every character is. Cool mysterious guy, big muscular meathead, naive mc with strong potential in him that will wake up later on and will change him... Every other side character as well |
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Alpha_Druid said: In episode 4, Rachel agrees to kill them. But in episode 5, they are somehow protecting them now? Everyone apparently kills anyone in the first round but in later rounds they just incapacitate? What's the deal? Oh I know, the writer doesn't have balls to kill characters. So don't have people kill each other in the first place if you aren't going to follow it through. Only interesting character so far is Khun. They tried to develop his character amidst the door test but the execution was sloppy and felt a bit forced. Rak is comic relief albeit there being no requirement for one, since the anime is very light hearted already, making him redundant. Also, Rak never gets to fight until the 5th episode. The battles hold little to no stakes. The characters don't learn from their battles. Bam's plot armor is too thick. The world building is severely lacking. There is no sense of location. We aren't shown where the tests take place. Where do these administrators live? How do the characters ascend the floors? Via a staircase? Maybe a portal? We don't know. I was pretty excited to see this get animated. But so far it is a mediocre, not-so-generic but generic anime, with archetypal characters. Let's hope it improves. It's obvious there is going to be plot armor for any protagonist just beginning their adventure story or otherwise there would be no story to tell. I think you're right though; there are unnecessary elements in these first couple of episodes that show this series's protagonist living by plot armor. They could have avoided having to resort to using plot armor too frequently, definitely. I'll say there's better criticism left to be desired that I haven't seen from your message though. Also, you seem to have misunderstood the events of an episode. |
cookies2135 said: Twenty-fifth_Bam said: Read it before u say something about it. TOG is a masterpiece and far abover ur usual normal shounen stuff like mha, nanatsu no taizai, bleach, Naruto etc mainstream animes. It's even better than one piece on some aspects. Ok as a Webtoon reader I disagree ToG vs MHA I’m caught up and I would say they are at the same level rn. ToG is amazing but MHA is also amazing. Bam is a better protagonist than Deku atm tho. ToG vs SDS Easily Tower of God is much better series than seven deadly ToG vs Bleach Bleach has a much better start than ToG does but as a full story I preferred ToG ToG vs Naruto This is probably the hardest one. ToG has a very average start whereas Narutos start is fucking great. Tower of God is like halfway done vs Naruto ending. This is hard since both series are great. I’d take Tower of God based on my preference but Naruto easily has a much better start. This could change depending on my mood. ToG vs One Piece Hell no One Piece is a story much better than Tower of God. The characters of One Piece are much more interesting and all have amazing goals and motivation. There is not a single better thing that Tower of God has. Only thing is you could maybe argue that the current art for both series. That’s not fair since ToG is in full color The world building of TOG is leagues above One Piece. Also u are just left at the start lmao. All u compared is this start was better than TOG. U can't say anything else ? |
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abystoma2 said: I can't explain without spoiling. If u fine with that then sure.Twenty-fifth_Bam said: Read it before u say something about it. TOG is a masterpiece and far abover ur usual normal shounen stuff like mha, nanatsu no taizai, bleach, Naruto etc mainstream animes. It's even better than one piece on some aspects. No, no it's not lmao. It's sub-par even as a typical shounen. Also notice how you haven't answered the question on why it's supposed to be interesting, you just threw in some empty praises. |
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xkazutox said: MHA manga is inconsistent. It drops in quality every now and then. The last quality drop was after overhauld arc. Gentle arc was extremely boring. Whereas TOG is consistent and is growing with each passing chapter.Twenty-fifth_Bam said: Read it before u say something about it. TOG is a masterpiece and far abover ur usual normal shounen stuff like mha, nanatsu no taizai, bleach, Naruto etc mainstream animes. It's even better than one piece on some aspects. I never expect you to include MHA. Good luck dealing with MHA fanbase. lmao Also I dun care about MHA fanbase really. |
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Twenty-fifth_Bam said: abystoma2 said: I can't explain without spoiling. If u fine with that then sure.No, no it's not lmao. It's sub-par even as a typical shounen. Also notice how you haven't answered the question on why it's supposed to be interesting, you just threw in some empty praises. I don't mind the spoilers, go on. |
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| I actually think Bam is one of the most interesting shounen mc I've seen. Much more interesting than characters like Ichigo, Deku, Naruto, etc imo. He is like a first grade kid who only interacted his mother his whole life (Rachel) experiencing school for the first time, meeting actual people other than his mother and slowly learning how the world around him works. It is so satisfying to see him grow as the series go on. My favorite thing about the series is its characters and world building. It has a very large and great cast. Especially one of the best female cast I've seen. The tower is so huge and filled with so many mysteries. It always gets me hooked and makes me want to learn more. I like the adventurous feel of it. I know you want to know about the anime adaptation, not the webtoon. Well, since the first season is basically prologue, I can't say much about it. The biggest purpose of the first season is to introduce the world of the Tower. Tl;dr: If the first 4 episodes didn't pique your interest, this show isn't for you. Comparing any anime to others is not a good way judge it. |
breaker_not said: I for one like this webtoon more than the entire HxH manga, I'm honestly starting to believe people are too caught up in nostalgia and forget how bland everything was past the ant arc. The power system was a mess in HxH even at its best, the tests and lore is very forgettable with nothing being explored fully and the MC is basically just a carbon copy of Goku from early dragonball. The only thing going for it that HxH has over its competition is pretty fight animation and clean artstyle. There's so much wrong in this comment that I choose to believe it's just a bait. |
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breaker_not said: Alpha_Druid said: >TOG season 1 has a lot of exposition. >Not gonna give everything from start. Is it me or do you don't make much sense? Are all TOG fans this dumb? You make a strong point xd, I agree that its missing a lot of much needed exposition but thats more on the production team than the author, its too bad really, could've been done much better, but they chose to go in a "slow week-to-week reveal" direction. That said, calling others stupid over their taste in anime is very childish fyi. Stop putting words in my mouth. I never said they are dumb because they like ToG. I said it because of their contradictory statements. |
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| @Zombiedub while I do agree that 13 ep is less to convey the whole world building that people were talking about. I don't understand why you need to compare to the other shounen chara. I'm sure at this point, most anime only viewers watch it for the story not the mc. I started watching because someone said this has story unique that none other have to offer. As for the mc, you could relate to Hyakkimaru from Dororo for a better comparison. Hyakkimaru was a baby who has no limbs, no nose, no eyes, no ears, nor even skin. And with prosthetics and weapons made by someone who found him when he was abandoned, he survive and fend off demons so that he can regain all of his body function and emotion since he grew up in a blank state which he cannot see, hear, or feel anything. btw why are you using a fake account with this as your first comment. how are you completed mob psycho s2 without s1? |
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brzytki said: Alpha_Druid said: Stop putting words in my mouth. I never said they are dumb because they like ToG. I said it because of their contradictory statements. But the problem is, those statements aren't contradictory. You and another poster were called out to say why you think so and so far you have failed to give an explanation. You THINK they are contradictory and call people who don't think so dumb. Well, guess what. They aren't. Here is a link for you to educate yourself: https://literarydevices.net/exposition/ If you are too lazy/dumb to read i'll just tl;dr it for you. Exposition is a way to introduce background info about characters, events, universe and plot for the audience so that they know what's going on. It does NOT mean that the exposition is used solely at the beggining of the story. And that's why you are wrong and those two sentences are not contradictory. It's like you don't know what the word even means. I know what exposition means, smartass. Too much exposition means too much infodump, which was said by themself. Then they said not gonna give everything i.e not gonna give sufficient info. I'm not gonna bother with stupid ToG fans like you from now on. |
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| He clearly said lot of exposition. And lot of exposition is infodump. He doesn't say Lots of Info but exposition. Now you are just twisting OP's statements to fit your own narrative. |
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brzytki said: Alpha_Druid said: He clearly said lot of exposition. And lot of exposition is infodump. He doesn't say Lots of Info but exposition. Now you are just twisting OP's statements to fit your own narrative. Logic 101: every square is a rectangle but not every rectangle is a square. Similarly in this case, every "infodump" is "a lot of exposition" but not every "a lot of exposition" is an "infodump". And it stems right from the definition of infodump cause infodump = "a lot of exposition at once". He said "not everything from the start" meaning "not at once", thus he didn't mean "infodump". Regardless, even if he meant infodump but worded it like this so that only you could understand it, it still doesn't make his 2 statements contradictory. Because even if there is an infodump, the story can still hold back a lot of other important information, hence "not giving everything from the start". I'm slowly running out of ways of how to prove you wrong again. Please don't make me find other ones. What does he mean at the start. Maybe it's the start of the season. Or you know what, by start he means the whole of season 1. And now I'm laughing at your narrow-minded ness. |
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| [quote=brzytki message=59761282] Alpha_Druid said: What does he mean at the start. Maybe it's the start of the season. Or you know what, by start he means the whole of season 1. And now I'm laughing at your narrow-minded ness. Looks like you don't even need me to argue with yourself. You are doing a good job of presenting arguments against your case on your own. LOL And no, i'm not narrow-minded, it's just you who, let me borrow your phrase, "is twisting statements to fit your own narrative". I'm actaully following the conversation. The OP said this (bolded the relevant parts): Tapertrain said: I want people to explain to me the appeal of Tower of God. We will be discussing first episodes. Excuse my writing it is 5 am and I can’t sleep. Tower of God’s first episode. Main character with almost no personality. The world is just a tower. it’s mysterious but it seems like the characters know so much more than I do. I don’t want to be drip fed context. Why should I be curious? And the guy responded (again, bolded parts): cryptsoul said: Hmm...I can see where your annoyance is coming from. But like the other users said, TOG season 1 is a lot of exposition. It’s not gonna give you everything from the start and Bam’s character is like that on purpose so that you can see his growth later on. Bam grows gradually as a character later on and if we get a green light for season 2 then you’ll see that. What we get from this is OP basically saying "not enough background info after the first episodes!" and the guy responds with "actually, season 1 is a lot of info but it's not gonna give you everything from the start". And again, regardless even if by any chance he meant the entire season 1 as a prologue, it still doesn't make those statements contradictory. You got turned around so much that you don't even remember/know what was the conversation about.[/quotem brzytki said: Alpha_Druid said: What does he mean at the start. Maybe it's the start of the season. Or you know what, by start he means the whole of season 1. And now I'm laughing at your narrow-minded ness. Looks like you don't even need me to argue with yourself. You are doing a good job of presenting arguments against your case on your own. LOL And no, i'm not narrow-minded, it's just you who, let me borrow your phrase, "is twisting statements to fit your own narrative". I'm actaully following the conversation. The OP said this (bolded the relevant parts): Tapertrain said: I want people to explain to me the appeal of Tower of God. We will be discussing first episodes. Excuse my writing it is 5 am and I can’t sleep. Tower of God’s first episode. Main character with almost no personality. The world is just a tower. it’s mysterious but it seems like the characters know so much more than I do. I don’t want to be drip fed context. Why should I be curious? And the guy responded (again, bolded parts): cryptsoul said: Hmm...I can see where your annoyance is coming from. But like the other users said, TOG season 1 is a lot of exposition. It’s not gonna give you everything from the start and Bam’s character is like that on purpose so that you can see his growth later on. Bam grows gradually as a character later on and if we get a green light for season 2 then you’ll see that. What we get from this is OP basically saying "not enough background info after the first episodes!" and the guy responds with "actually, season 1 is a lot of info but it's not gonna give you everything from the start". And again, regardless even if by any chance he meant the entire season 1 as a prologue, it still doesn't make those statements contradictory. You got turned around so much that you don't even remember/know what was the conversation about. Your client clearly admitted that she worded it badly. Clearly leading to this confusion. |
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| i havent watch the anime, just reading first few chapter and spoiling myself some later chapters. it is pretty bad and boring ngl, i cant imagine the anime. i rather read some cheap fantasy novel than reading korean webtoon. |
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| I havent watch this show, but i can relate other show that has a slow start for example katekyo hitman reborn.. You need around 15 eps or more to finally enjoy the show...but for people who enjoy the comedy part, early eps can make you into it already.. And other show such as gintama..i watch gintama purely because comedy part and i dont really that care if the story didnt move at all..but after the action part drop i like it even more...tbh i dont quite enjoy early episode because the comedy didnt really funny and moreover the story is about kind of historical..i want to avoid historical genre as much as posibble..and i dropped it like that after watch like 8 eps.. I have a motivation to watch it again because people keep saying you need to force watch it and eventually you will like it and yes it was true.. So yeah what i mean you cant judge a series from only one episode..because 20mins is way too short to judge entire series |
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