| inb4 we see the legendary hidden technique "Kant name drop" i'm predicting it now, lock it in, let's see how it goes |
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Tropisch said: yeah i'm not denying that orihime is sexualized a lot it's pretty sad lolMayuka said: Yo, it's so sad how she was reduced to a sex object lol. Like, she could have been a badass girl without all the ass shots. I already know the answer, but are you really saying a female character can't be a badass if there's some breast and ass shots of her every now and then? I guess you better remove Orihime from your faves. i really liked her personality which is why i consider her a favourite it's pretty sad because kallen didn't need those ass-shots but the anime writers put it in and ruined the mecha fights hazarddex said: not really, it's quite different from code geass' fanservice shots which is basically having a serious/intense scene while putting in someone's ass. i enjoy fanservice when it's put in the right context.Mayuka said: Yo, it's so sad how she was reduced to a sex object lol. Like, she could have been a badass girl without all the ass shots. > has free as a favorite anime double standard much? try writing a swimming anime and having the characters with their clothes on. |
MayukaApr 12, 2020 9:41 PM
| Some ecchi is fine and can even provide something more to the show. (Toothbrush scene in Monogatari) Yet, too much of it can further ruin a bad show, especially unrefined tasteless ecchi. (NGNL) |
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| I find that the majority of ecchi fanservice is just distracting and annoying especially when used as comic relief. |
| If you dislike fast food, should we ban fast food chains from opening up shop? If you dislike ecchi, you could simply avoid it. From the conventions that I have been to, they usually really tame it down so that theres nothing overly sexual as there are minors there. Seems like an organizer issue. |
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| @mikerjw so is wrath pride glutony envy and almost every other extreme emotion i guess that makes all anime with wraith or angry characters bad as well. or any character with self confidence because pride is bad as well. you could push away almost any anime story buy saying "lust is bad there for ecchi is bad." when plenty of anime display or even show those other attributes in a positive or silly light. look at goku's love of food or food wars. the idea that nudity is bad is an often silly and overly exaggerated thing. its almost as bad as people that blame violence on video games. there are plenty of shows that are primarily ecchi that do well and can be enjoyed. tenchi muyo is a classic example. no the fate anime is considered one of the worst adaptation of all time. (not counting the two side routes and prequel that were done by ufotable.) with only tuskihime being worse. also all genre are add-on's you can't find an anime with only mecha, you can't find an anime that's only slice of life, you can't find an anime that's only comedy, you can't find an anime that's only drama |
GrimAtramentApr 12, 2020 10:33 PM
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
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| I'd rather anime not fully hit the mainstream in the first place, so no. I like anime for the weirdness and deviancy, which would likely be the first thing to go. It doesn't matter to me if more anime are made if they fundamentally lose what made me like them in the first place. Besides, we get a shit ton of anime every season as is, and it's already way more than anyone wants to deal with. |
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deg said: you are talking even getting rid of sexual fanservice on battle shonens for example? then nah i dont want that Nah, he's talking about it on a holistic level and wanting/hoping for the ecchi fandom to die off/be forced out all together because he thinks it's why anime isn't as popular/acceptable as Star Wars. My favorite part was when he tried to make some fearmongering appeal to SJWs, like THEY IZ GUNNA GET YOU GUYS AND DRIVE YOU OUT AND YOU GOTTA DEAL WITH IT. Like, christ. The desperation. Kami_sama_ said: I won't lie, I want 'Ecchi Culture' to lessen so that anime can flourish in the mainstream. However, since Anime is currently becoming more and more mainstream, with 'SJWs''joining' the fandom, you are just going to have to accept that this is inevitable and that Ecchi Culture is going to be driven out of the main anime fandom. I will admit, though, I've never seen the SJW boogeyman used like this. Points for creativity. ----- Tropisch said: deg said: you are talking even getting rid of sexual fanservice on battle shonens for example? then nah i dont want that IKR, I personally like Tamaki from that Fire Force anime:  Highkey I love Tamaki's design so much she has me debating on whether or not I should watch Fire Force she is absolutely blessed deg said: @Tropisch Tamaki is sexy hot but damn she got a lot of vocal haters on the episode discussion threads of Fire Force anime Well fuck 'em. They're tasteless and uncultured. I already see a lot to appreciate :> |
ManabanApr 12, 2020 11:04 PM
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deg said: he got some point there that anime going mainstream might really reduce ecchi/sexual fanservice (especially sexualize lolis that are not universally accepted besides there in japan) but damn i doubt it will go out easily Ecchi shows in general have been fairly reduced for years now. Pullman pointed this out earlier in regards to this season, and I've kept on that horse for a good few years, even when it was still common for people to act like it was flooding the medium like we were still in 2008. Fanservice already isn't as present as it once was. That's fine. There's still stuff for people like me who want this, and it's not going to die any time soon, mainstream or not. I'm at peace with that. I don't need to watch every anime, and hell, I barely watch seasonal stuff as is and my main investment is keeping up with new ecchi releases, not even to watch them as much as have a number and idea of where it's going. This guy wants to take ecchi fans and force us out all together. That is different than a natural decline, and he's trying to use cheap fearmongering tactics to encourage that and make it appear to be an absolute. Any point he may have is - and should be - lost in the general pathetic-ness of what he's getting caught up and how he's handling it. Misdirecting blame and anger, trying to fearmonger, encouraging purging and forcing out types of fans he doesn't approve of because of ridiculous notions and his own quest for validation, etc. The only thing I'm willing to give him credit for is his creative use of the SJW boogeyman. I legitimately haven't seen it done like that before, used as an offensive weapon against ecchi instead of a paranoid defensive one. But even that's giving credit to a ridiculous, somewhat conspiratory notion in the first place. |
ManabanApr 12, 2020 11:18 PM
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deg said: Manaban said: Ecchi shows in general have been fairly reduced for years now. Pullman pointed this out earlier, and I've kept on that horse for a good few years, even when it was still common for people to act like it was flooding the medium like we were still in 2008. Fanservice already isn't as present as it once was. That's fine. There's still stuff for people like me who want this, and it's not going to die any time soon, mainstream or not. I'm at peace with that. This guy wants to take ecchi fans and force us out all together. That is different than a natural decline, and he's trying to use cheap fearmongering tactics to encourage that. Any point he may have is - and should be - lost in the general pathetic-ness of what he's getting caught up and how he's handling it. i see im more of an action fan and there are plenty of sexual fanservice on that kind of anime genre already so i rarely watch ecchi oriented anime but ye i think i do remember some threads saying the decline of ecchi anime in recent years lol ah well i might read the entire thread later on Cool. Now unblock me because you never sent me a friend request like you seemed to have thought you did, and I was never aiming to harass you, you bell-end :P |
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deg said: Manaban said: Nah, he's talking about it on a holistic level and wanting/hoping for the ecchi fandom to die off all together because he thinks it's why anime isn't as popular/acceptable as Star Wars. My favorite part was when he tried to make some fearmongering appeal to SJWs, like THEY IZ GUNNA GET YOU GUYS AND DRIVE YOU OUT AND YOU GOTTA DEAL WITH IT. Like, christ. The desperation. I will admit, though, I've never seen the SJW boogeyman used like this. Points for creativity. he got some point there that anime going mainstream might really reduce ecchi/sexual fanservice (especially sexualize lolis that are not universally accepted besides there in japan) but damn i doubt it will go out easily Sexual content will never go away from this medium. You may get a change in what is allowed or acceptable but it isn't going to die out. Some of the most mainstream TV shows of the last decade have basically softcore porn in a lot of them. If the Western mainstream is okay with that there is no reason to argue sexual content in shows will die. Change sure but never die. |
deg said: Manaban said: Ecchi shows in general have been fairly reduced for years now. Pullman pointed this out earlier, and I've kept on that horse for a good few years, even when it was still common for people to act like it was flooding the medium like we were still in 2008. Fanservice already isn't as present as it once was. That's fine. There's still stuff for people like me who want this, and it's not going to die any time soon, mainstream or not. I'm at peace with that. This guy wants to take ecchi fans and force us out all together. That is different than a natural decline, and he's trying to use cheap fearmongering tactics to encourage that. Any point he may have is - and should be - lost in the general pathetic-ness of what he's getting caught up and how he's handling it. i see im more of an action fan and there are plenty of sexual fanservice on that kind of anime genre already so i rarely watch ecchi oriented anime but ye i think i do remember some threads saying the decline of ecchi anime in recent years lol ah well i might read the entire thread later on there are plenty of ecchi shows still existing. it's just that its becoming more quality over quantity. shows like tsugumomo (which has a second season, but i am holding off till it's uncensored that and i read the manga and am not ready for the feels that season 2 will end on.) interspecies reviewer. another big one strike the blood moved to OVA format so it could get away with more then it could airing on tv. probably a lot of people who only watch seasonal don't know about it. that and one of the best written ecchi's To love ru ended so theres a void from that anime ending for now. (author plans on making a magical girl spin off series soon) that said i honestly like this quality over quantity approach with anime. and yes people i do watch ecchi, but not all ecchi is good so only ones i like. and enjoy the characters. |
GrimAtramentApr 12, 2020 11:28 PM
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
| I mean, at this point it's our tradition as a form of popular, mass entertainment. Plus I'm one to defend erotism wherever it is. So I would say: The form of anime as of now is probably an alright one. Anyhow I think all realities are worth the same, so anime may as well not exist. It's an art that's a mixture of contexts, discourses, tropes, traditions, norms. Though it is true that others blame anime for it. As long as we get some Yuru Camp I'm fine. |
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deg said: TolkienFan365 said: Sexual content will never go away from this medium. You may get a change in what is allowed or acceptable but it isn't going to die out. Some of the most mainstream TV shows of the last decade have basically softcore porn in a lot of them. ye but the #GamerGate thing though lol isnt one of its concern the censorship of sexual content on video games worldwide @hazarddex ye i did watch Interspecies Reviewers because i like the plot concept of it but i really wish it was an uncensored hentai then it will be a 10/10 instantly games have always had a stigma of sexual content though this had been a thing for ages. gamegate really didn't change anything, but peoples perspective of it. games with nudity form japan have been censored as far back as PS1 era. if anything gamegate made things become less censored as far as sexual content goes. because now we have easy access to things like senran kagura, Visual novels etc. hell you can literally buy porn games made by illusion soft on steam now. @Kami_sama_ look up streisand effect |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
deg said: TolkienFan365 said: Sexual content will never go away from this medium. You may get a change in what is allowed or acceptable but it isn't going to die out. Some of the most mainstream TV shows of the last decade have basically softcore porn in a lot of them. ye but the #GamerGate thing though lol isnt one of its concern the censorship of sexual content on video games worldwide As I said even most SJWs like to argue they are sex positive or at least not negative. You got your rad fems but most aren't. There issues once again isn't the fact there is sex appeal but how it's used. Usually under the guise of it promoting harmful things in society. They hate how anime and anime inspired games use sex appeal and often this goes all the way to characterization or aspects of our culture (aka that cute or cutesy can be sexy/ most argue that attitude is infantilizing women etc) Even still the debates on twitter and all this garbage still don't reflect the mass audience. The point is there is a lot of evidence that people will watch shows that have high sexual content in the West. So to say that sexual content will be forever gone and anime will be just pure content is not going to happen even if this became super mainstream. Again Castlevania had a sex scene way more explict than in pretty much most anime out there and it was good for attention seeking. Western shows love to do this and honestly if you were going to cater to a Western audience in terms of making a serious dark animated series you are going to be looking at stuff like GOT, West World etc or hey that is basically what Castlevania is doing. What could happen we could see how anime depicts sexual appeal, female characters etc etc change dramatically to cater to how it usually is depicted in other media. That is the most that would happen though I still vastly doubt it because this is a growing industry many "problematic shows" like Shield Hero, Made in Abyss, and GS have attracted sizable international audiences. The kinds of titles still getting approved also fit in that regard and other manga I am looking at that potentially could be again the anime of tomorrow like say Chainsaw Man are still doing pretty decent. So even if we had a massive change it's going to be years and years from now. |
BilboBaggins365Apr 12, 2020 11:36 PM
| Better. I like casual ecchi scenes or straight ecchi anime. |
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deg said: hazarddex said: because now we have easy access to things like senran kagura, Visual novels etc. hell you can literally buy porn games made by illusion soft on steam now. are they uncensored though? because you know japan censors any sexual intercourse some are some still have mosaic. @TolkienFan365 wait made in abyss? since when? |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
Made in Abyss has the issue with making people uncomfortable due to the loli/shota aspect. Especially when the film drops in the West which I have heard about from manga readers (or you can just look in the trailers lol). So yeah it would be under that lens for people like OP and the argument that a mainstream audience probably wouldn't like it. Which is true though it has found a very profitable and successful niche audience enough to get a film sequel and a second season as well as do well as a manga. |
| Without ecchi (or at least, less presence) could be better and lead to create better written or developed stories. I tend to believe that, if you include ecchi fanservice, that's because the creator doesn't have anything truly interesting, remarkable or a barely decent thing like the characters or the plot itself, the creator must fill those holes with boobs, butts, underwear, etc. There are a lot of anime series, that, without or reducing the fanservice, they could become better, than flashing panties or any other erotic thing... |
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AnimaExZero said: Without ecchi (or at least, less presence) could be better and lead to create better written or developed stories. I tend to believe that, if you include ecchi fanservice, that's because the creator doesn't have anything truly interesting, remarkable or a barely decent thing like the characters or the plot itself, the creator must fill those holes with boobs, butts, underwear, etc. There are a lot of anime series, that, without or reducing the fanservice, they could become better, than flashing panties or any other erotic thing... No a series like Love Hina, Overlord or Familar Zero would still suck even if you took the ecchi away. Seriously the anime community needs to get out of this mindset that because x is getting made y isn't. That isn't the case. Plus keep up the absolutes but again Kill la Kill and Food Wars. I have seen hentai give interesting commentaries on stuff like gender roles. People really need to stop thinking that sex appeal means it has to be shallow just because a lot of it is. |
deg said: ye but the #GamerGate thing though lol isnt one of its concern the censorship of sexual content on video games worldwide Kinda, I guess, but I feel like it's become more anti-SJW than anything, and we still have a huge number of sexual content in videogames. I'm much more concerned about Corporate Censorship like with Sony than what some knob of a games journo thinks on that front, anyway. What Sony did with Senran Kagura? That's a *real* problem. It's hard to stave off this tide of people who want to be friendly with ecchi fans because of that idea, too, especially when they warp and twist and create a sense of fear in them that makes it easy for a lot of us to latch on to. But we shouldn't degrade ourselves into being puppets for other people's politics, and that's what it ultimately amounts to. No bulwark against whatever that neo-Nazis like Nyu told me and Mamster we were. We need to be our own thing on our own side, fuck the rest of you. That's my stance on it, at least. When I was head admin at H&E, the fourth in the lineage of head admins for that club, one of my little, unnoticed changes was the banning of the club itself having an explicit political association - at least, not anymore than what's inherent. Whether my successor/the 5th hokage keeps that up is anybody's guess, but I sure hope so. |
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deg said: petran79 said: Only with mods. Also majority of mods like clothes, costumes, accessories, tweaks, game utilities are made by Japanese modders. as for uncensored VN, only if you buy the localised version from sites like jast, fakku, mangagamer, Nutaku, and only for some vn ah ok i remember reading that Steam will allow porn games now guess that did not happen then @petran79 https://store.steampowered.com/app/1122080/LOVE_Love_Cube_18_Adult_Only_Content/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/947670/NEKOPARA_Vol_3__18_Adult_Only_Content/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/948680/Crush_Crush__18_Naughty_DLC/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/945931/Newton_and_the_Apple_Tree__18_Patch/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/943820/Shining_Song_Starnova__18_Adult_Only_Content/ just for some examples (also mods the images are all SFW so please no ban hammer.) but yes steam has a bunt of adult content for VN's not sure about the reason behind Illusion soft not having the adult content on site, but you can get it off site. also many other VN's that are older on steam have free or buyable patches for the adult content. off site. but a lot of newer VN's coming onto steam have the patches on site. just thought i would celrify that. |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
hazarddex said: deg said: ah ok i remember reading that Steam will allow porn games now guess that did not happen then @petran79 https://store.steampowered.com/app/1122080/LOVE_Love_Cube_18_Adult_Only_Content/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/947670/NEKOPARA_Vol_3__18_Adult_Only_Content/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/948680/Crush_Crush__18_Naughty_DLC/ just for some examples (also mods the images are all SFW so please no ban hammer.) but yes steam has a bunt of adult content for VN's not sure about the reason behind Illusion soft not having the adult content on site, but you can get it off site. also many other VN's that are older on steam have free or buyable patches for the adult content. off site. but a lot of newer VN's coming onto steam have the patches on site. just thought i would celrify that. Yeah, doubling down on that. Even if devs cut 18+ content for a Steam release, it's often available for free from their direct site as a patch/mod and they can advertise it as such again. I've been playing Senren＊Banka lately, and getting the cut 18+ content was ridiculously easy. Just go to a site that's available from a pinned topic on the steam forums, click a button, an installer pops up and bam. Done, ready to go in just a minute or two. All of those games have 18+ DLC that just re-adds cut content, though -_- I hate that. Steam also did improve their indexing system a lot and allowed games like this to straight up not appear anymore if the person so desires. So that's groovy. |
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Manaban said: hazarddex said: @petran79 https://store.steampowered.com/app/1122080/LOVE_Love_Cube_18_Adult_Only_Content/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/947670/NEKOPARA_Vol_3__18_Adult_Only_Content/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/948680/Crush_Crush__18_Naughty_DLC/ just for some examples (also mods the images are all SFW so please no ban hammer.) but yes steam has a bunt of adult content for VN's not sure about the reason behind Illusion soft not having the adult content on site, but you can get it off site. also many other VN's that are older on steam have free or buyable patches for the adult content. off site. but a lot of newer VN's coming onto steam have the patches on site. just thought i would celrify that. Yeah, doubling down on that. Even if devs cut 18+ content for a Steam release, it's often available for free from their direct site as a patch/mod. I've been playing Senren＊Banka lately, and getting the cut 18+ content was ridiculously easy. Just go to a site, click a button, an installer pops up and bam. Done, ready to go in just a minute or two. I saw one game have a 9.99 18+ DLC that just re-added cut content, though -_- I hated that. i've had my eye on that one actually how is Senren＊Banka story wise is it a more serious drama like hoshizora no memoria? mostly nukage like nekoropa? or a middle ground like Majikoi. |
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| i just hope that for every 3 ecchi anime , we get one good anime .thats all i wish for. dont get me wrong ,some ecchi anime i did enjoy , i just feel that the tropes are rather overplayed |
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alixlen said: i just hope that for every 3 ecchi anime , we get one good anime .thats all i wish for. dont get me wrong ,some ecchi anime i did enjoy , i just feel that the tropes are rather overplayed You do because there barely is that many actual ecchi anime today. It ain't 2010 anymore. |
deg said: @Manaban ok i can see that and wtf Nyu is still active huh he is one of the reason controversial topics are now against the rules but ye sometimes the moderators still allow it @hazarddex you mean the patches are not provided within Steam right? no the patches are proved within steam those links are to there steam pages. just some VN's are before steam allowed this and have them off site. |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
deg said: @Manaban ok i can see that and wtf Nyu is still active huh he is one of the reason controversial topics are now against the rules but ye sometimes the moderators still allow it @hazarddex you mean the patches are not provided within Steam right? Nah, he's been gone for a while. I just remember one time, back when he was still a thing, he quoted us and started praising us with shit like "Ecchi fans are the bulwark against feminism in the anime fandom" to me and Mamster while we were doing our thing in threads like this, back when Mamster was still around. I took particular disgust with that. I don't think Dekn was there, though, so the old war party wasn't complete. It's just a go-to-example for alt-right people trying to approach us and politicize us in that same way. Some of the users that pop up from the left's side of things and are utterly toxic to us are like vultures trying to feast on our corpses, but the ones on the right are just snakes that'll strike as soon as we're no longer useful to them because we're fundamentally incompatible at the most base levels. Caught between a Snake and a Vulture. One of 'em will want to buddy up with you while the other tries destroying you. It's just a cheap way to bolster their numbers, either one. Before it was the left being cozy with us when the Religious Right was a problem. Now it's just the inverse. Don't trust any of them, to survive - or at least die with dignity - we have to stand on our own with our own values and principles of things like sexual liberty and refuse to cede ground to whoever is the least bad/hostile at the time. It can change on a fucking dime. Gotta be Finland. Caught between two authoritarian shitstains that want to carve us into pieces whenever it suits them, and act like friends whenever they need us. It's why we used Blue and White as the club colors when I was made Head Admin of H&E, lmao. hazarddex said: i've had my eye on that one actually how is Senren＊Banka story wise is it a more serious drama like hoshizora no memoria? mostly nukage like nekoropa? or a middle ground like Majikoi. It's Yuzusoft. Pretty slice of life-y with a few serious moments sparsed between. I wouldn't say it's a drama outright, it just has typical dramatic narrative moments. I wouldn't give it huge praise on that front, but I've had a good enough time with it so far. By what you gave me, though, Majikoi is comparable. Just without the kind of weirdly nationalist bits. The character design, OST, and general aesthetic are fucking *dope* though. That was the main appeal to me, and it delivered a lot. |
ManabanApr 13, 2020 12:13 AM
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Manaban said: deg said: @Manaban ok i can see that and wtf Nyu is still active huh he is one of the reason controversial topics are now against the rules but ye sometimes the moderators still allow it @hazarddex you mean the patches are not provided within Steam right? Nah, he's been gone for a while. I just remember one time, back when he was still a thing, he quoted us and started praising us with shit like "Ecchi fans are the bulwark against feminism in the anime fandom" to me and Mamster while we were doing our thing in threads like this, back when Mamster was still around. I took particular disgust with that. I don't think Dekn was there, though, so the old war party wasn't complete. It's just a go-to-example for alt-right people trying to approach us and politicize us in that same way. Some of the users that pop up from the left's side of things and are utterly toxic to us are like vultures trying to feast on our corpses, but the ones on the right are just snakes that'll strike as soon as we're no longer useful to them because we're fundamentally incompatible at the most base levels. Caught between a Snake and a Vulture. One of 'em will want to buddy up with you while the other tries destroying you. It's just a cheap way to bolster their numbers, either one. Before it was the left being cozy with us when the Religious Right was a problem. Now it's just the inverse. hazarddex said: i've had my eye on that one actually how is Senren＊Banka story wise is it a more serious drama like hoshizora no memoria? mostly nukage like nekoropa? or a middle ground like Majikoi. It's Yuzusoft. Pretty slice of life-y with a few serious moments sparsed between. I wouldn't say it's a drama outright, it just has typical dramatic narrative moments. I wouldn't give it huge praise on that front, but I've had a good enough time with it so far. The character design, OST, and general aesthetic are fucking *dope* though. That was the main appeal to me, and it delivered a lot. so more like Majikoi then (which i honestly am still waiting for it to get localized because it's such a great VN humor and even it's low drama is very well done. ) |
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hazarddex said: so more like Majikoi then (which i honestly am still waiting for it to get localized because it's such a great VN humor and even it's low drama is very well done. ) Yeah, I didn't see that Majikoi bit but I edited it in after the fact, lol. I didn't see it until I had already been quoted :( That's an apt comparison though, definitely. |
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S_Smnt said: flowstate said: Ecchi ruins the industry. It pollutes otherwise often life-changing, inspiring, emotional stories that can impact a more broad range of people in the world if only it didn't go so deep down this tasteless hole. Because of this and this only, watching anime often communicates undertones of pervy, misunderstanding to outsiders and only further perpetuates the NEET stereotype. Otherwise, people would just think "oh, there's another person who appreciates 2d artwork and the story telling that goes along with it". However, you and I know that that's not the case. Instead, people who watch anime from the scope of the outside observer are riddled with a myriad of disheartening stereotypes, ruining the chance of a widespread appeal of such a fascinating, important and impactful medium that has the power to change lives. ...and don't get me started with hentai. Ecchi does not ruin the industry. Let's say an anime has ecchi elements and "life-changing, inspiring, emotional stories" as its components. Since people can have a huge variety of opinions in regards to those two components and in regards to their correlation you will have people who disliked both elements in various degrees (and either thought one element had impacted the other in various degrees or not), people who liked both elements in various degrees (and either thought one element had impacted the other in various degrees or not), people who liked one element and disliked the other in various degrees along with their opinion on the relative impact of the elements on each other and so on. Then there are people who became interested in the anime for either of the elements or both, also people who didn't get into the show due to either or both elements. Now why, for the sake of providing convenience to some of these groups, should the anime have discarded one of the elements when some other groups would have been affected by the decision? If you think it would affect the show economically, then you have to provide appropriate statistics to back that up and even if it does, it's solely the decision of the creators to more cater towards a specific group regardless of what would happen to the widespread appeal. If widespread appeal was the sole reason for a show to achieve, the I suppose "Tatami Galaxy", "Ping Pong the Animation" etc would have chosen widely accessible aesthetics. Now as for your second point, do the outsiders not get that an average person has sexual attraction as a basic biological feature? And where are they getting the "NEET" stereotype from? Since anime is now spread worldwide, you have to have a widespread statistical study to show what proportion of the anime fans or rather "ecchi consumers" are NEET. If someone bases an assumption without any of these, then why would anyone have to respect their opinion? And apparently people with normal sexual function can't appreciate 2d artwork and story-telling? If someone watches one or two movies, dislikes some tropes in them and thinks they won't find anything more suitable to their taste, I think they have no business in trying to find "life changing, impactful" stuff in that medium, especially if they think those also have to have nothing that they don't relate to. Same with anime or manga. If you want something that personally impacts you, you have to search for it, not expect it would be easy or that it wouldn't have anything to your disliking. If you find something and don't like some parts of it, search harder until you find what you want without begrudging others just because they appreciate different things. this logic can also be applied to books. there are thousands of books, but not all of them are going to have things you like (which is why i usually use library apps to find my books before i buy them.) |
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TolkienFan365 said: As I said even most SJWs like to argue they are sex positive or at least not negative. You got your rad fems but most aren't. There issues once again isn't the fact there is sex appeal but how it's used. Usually under the guise of it promoting harmful things in society. They hate how anime and anime inspired games use sex appeal and often this goes all the way to characterization or aspects of our culture (aka that cute or cutesy can be sexy/ most argue that attitude is infantilizing women etc) Yeahhhhh, I think a lot of sex-positive feminism can usually translate to a desire to control sexualization out of personal distaste for a lot of it, rather than being legitimately open to it. They don't like it, they don't want other people consuming it, and they'll toss out as many labels as they can to try to make you seem as disgusting/dangerous as they can for deviating from what they want. It's toxic and it's more dangerous than they seem to realize. They'll bring up things like "Art reflects reality" and essentially try to make it out like we're all a bunch of potential rapists because...anime falls, or like, the "you're all incels" rhetoric has increased a lot lately, all with absolutely no nuance or grasp on it. It comes off as fearmongering in its own way. I tend to not respect that very much either tbh, at least not how it comes off like they seek to be apply it. Actually, the bastardization of "Art can reflect reality" to suit that sort of toxicity just straight up fucking disgusts me. It's just the remnants of the feminist sex wars, anyway. One side wants to control pornography, the other wants to ban it wholesale. The "good guys" won, I guess, but...iunno, it still feels pretty moral authoritarian and evil a lot of times to me. Part of me wishes the other side won because they won't be able to put up the illusion of being nuanced and open about it while often it expressing it in ways that basically seek to assert moral control in a similar way to how religion tends to do. Maybe less strict, but not excusable on that basis all the same. It's funny how not many people realize objectification has been an explicitly stated reason by the Vatican for opposing pornography/prostitution and the like for centuries, well before the concept of feminism existed lmao, and how that sentiment is still in practice today |
ManabanApr 13, 2020 12:28 AM
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Manaban said: TolkienFan365 said: As I said even most SJWs like to argue they are sex positive or at least not negative. You got your rad fems but most aren't. There issues once again isn't the fact there is sex appeal but how it's used. Usually under the guise of it promoting harmful things in society. They hate how anime and anime inspired games use sex appeal and often this goes all the way to characterization or aspects of our culture (aka that cute or cutesy can be sexy/ most argue that attitude is infantilizing women etc) Yeahhhhh, I think a lot of sex-positive feminism can usually translate to a desire to control sexualization out of personal distaste for a lot of it, rather than being legitimately open to it. They don't like it, they don't want other people consuming it, and they'll toss out as many labels as they can to try to make you seem as disgusting/dangerous as they can for deviating from what they want. It's toxic and it's more dangerous than they seem to realize. They'll bring up things like "Art reflects reality" and essentially try to make it out like we're all a bunch of potential rapists because...anime falls, or like, the "you're all incels" rhetoric has increased a lot lately, all with absolutely no nuance or grasp on it. It comes off as fearmongering in its own way. I tend to not respect that very much either tbh, at least not how it comes off like they seek to be apply it. Actually, the bastardization of "Art can reflect reality" to suit that sort of toxicity just straight up fucking disgusts me. It's just the remnants of the feminist sex wars, anyway. One side wants to control pornography, the other wants to ban it wholesale. The "good guys" won, I guess, but...iunno, it still feels pretty moral authoritarian and evil a lot of times to me. Part of me wishes the other side won because they won't be able to put up the illusion of being nuanced and open about it while often it expressing it in ways that basically seek to assert moral control in a similar way to how religion tends to do. Maybe less strict, but not excusable on that basis all the same. It's funny how not many people realize objectification has been an explicitly stated reason by the Vatican for opposing pornography/prostitution and the like for centuries, well before the concept of feminism existed lmao, and how that sentiment is still in practice today I never said any stance on it. Of course I did point out that if there was that culture change there would be way more restrictions and stuff that would be just cut but at the same time that doesn't inherently mean there would be no sexual content just one that appeals to the group that is able to influence it. The truth is no matter who wins (as OP likes to imply) sex is going to be apart of this medium the question is how is it going to be applied which is a whole different can of worms. |
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