*SPOILERS* Honestly answer why you enjoyed episode 8?

AzorAhai said:
First of all, thank you for such a thorough and...mature reply... it's rare these days. I'm not that great with English so i'd be grateful if my lack of vocabulary and use of simple words isn't taken as a sign of stupidity xD


No questions asked about this one. Overlord is an anti hero, but a person PLAYING as him kept leaving an impression that it wasn't that simple, otherwise i would have dropped the series from season 1. P.S i was mislead from the start it seems.


That's the point! me, and it seems i'm not alone, still thought that Ainz was simply just PLAYING as a bad guy. Since day 1, guy playing as Ainz is trying to appeal to his servants, doing things he would never do in real life; he still did though, because he thought there was no other way. This was understandable.
1) Ainz saving Enri and the village - the way i saw it he saved them for the sake of saving the innocents. I mean, come on, if he was honestly evil from the start, he'd do otherwise. He didn't care about the healing potion stuff or how it would benefit Nezerik, at least back then he didn't, he just wanted to protect people from the raiders and from his own servants - all this without ruining the image of him being an evil overlord, thus instead of saying "i pity these humans thus i don't want them dead - pledge to protect", he came up with "it's one of my evil plans to serve my evil deeds - so keep these insects alive". This was meant to silence his servants. Saving Gazef and Brita, avenging the deaths of adventurers he first met - all lead to us to see Ainz as a good guy who simply plays evil from time to time.
2) Lizardmen - Since Ainz is actually human, it is understandable why he'd be fine with genociding them. Deep in heart we, as well as Ainz are all racists after all - humans first; when it comes to wild tribes of "lesser species" it is understandable why he'd want to kill them all without second thoughts. His action here was relevant to me and anyone who have played fantasy games, and even though i fell sorry for them in the end - i was still somewhat fine (though it was a waste of time as I shall explain later).
3) Demiurge's attack on capitol - It was disturbing, but the atrocity was done by Demiurge. Even though Ainz is to be held responsible for the deeds of his servants, Ainz wasn't tainted too much in my eyes since he didn't abduct people personally. Now when it comes to him being ok with these people used for experiments, it is once again understandable why he'd be fine, since a) He can't just say "that's cruel!" He can't disappoint his servants, he must PLAY along - that's how i saw it. Plus, b) when it comes to just giving orders, you feel less guilty right? I mean, if he personally knew people who got abducted or seen their faces for example, he'd be less OK, after all he is still a human inside! Giving execution orders and being an executioner is different things, different levels of stress and influence on sanity, i believe you'd agree. Even though i was not Ok with Ainz closing eyes on suffering of these people, it was still understandable why he'd do it. Up to this point he still seemed like a guy who plays a villain perfectly; he has to. From there, it turned into a cruel guy, playing a cruel villain just for the heck of it - This is what many of us began to hate in this anime.


That's an interesting point of view, though i hardly doubt that most people watch it for the sake of "pleasure found in other's suffering". I might be wrong, but these types of people in my opinion are also fine with watching animal torture or human execution videos - Mentally unstable people i'd say.


can't agree on that one though. Up to this point he left an impression of a weak willed anti-hero, who had to play a role of a villain simply not to disappoint his evil servants, eventually he got used to his role and closed the eyes on numbers of causalities, and eventually became a sadistic piece of shit by completely giving in to his role and actually becoming a cliched super-villain who does evil things for the sake of doing evil things.


Well the author did manage to piss me off so if that counts as a good storytelling, or what he intended to achieve - than i shall congratulate him).


As i already said above, this is where our views differ. Ainz wasn't a character worth hating, (and Hitler was also charismatic and a good orator so what?) though i was constantly pissed how he always had to "talk evil" or "play evil" despite the fact that his servants feared/respected/worshiped him. To say it differently Ainz's servants would gladly commit seppuku - had Ainz ordered so; it was irritating how Ainz still had to think about his image and think about the words he'd speak, despite such loyalty and devotion from his servants. I mean, come on, is anyone expecting the "are you really a villain Ainz-sama" from any of these servants? They would not dare!

Seems like in your vision an already acknowledged evil villain has to constantly prove he's evil by doing evil things? I'd say an evil overlord should do whatever they want without the need to prove anything to anyone, that's where Ainz fails; he still worries about trivial things.


When the tombs of Egypt's pharaohs were discovered i doubt that the archaeologists and adventurers were seeing themselves or seen by others as burglars. The tomb did not look like someone's home; you as a viewer knew that this wasn't the case, the workers did not. so invading without the owners permission doesn't apply here. It was never clear if there was an owner to begin with? Or how many explorers come to a tomb and yell out load "is there someone living inside? if no, can we invade?" Even if you take game logic, which it is supposed to be, tombs are usually homes of necromancers of evil creatures, i don't get it why the adventurers would be considering this as a burglary or something bad. They did however when they encountered Ainz, but mercilessness they were met with was something we had never seen from Ainz in person, thus it was disappointing and disgusting how he behaved there.
P.S I don't get it why you see the need to use Latin from time to time. Feels like you're trying too hard.

have to agree on that one. If someone invades your property, you have full right to defend said property, and as an evil overlord you can cross the line and do cruel things, i'm not going to question that, but, as i said earlier, i was surprised that a person who i thought merely played a bad guy actually slaughtered those poor souls. Apart from that i was just astonished by how people are perfectly fine with torture and injustice and even defend it. A better society would at least feel uneasy about this, instead of demanding more and cheering at their hearts content - that's just sickening and makes me disappointed in people! All this doesn't apply to this anime solely of course. Consider this a waste of time, but i decided to rant on this subject as if any of this actually matters - I know it doesn't matter. People can be cruel for the sake of being cruel...of course there shall be evil people who are happy with the sufferings of others, so for them liking things like this isn't anywhere close to disturbing...I was just shocked by the number of people gathered here all praising this and couldn't stop myself from ranting... I mean, if you want injustice or cruelty, look outside the window, or read history, there's plenty of it already. If you are fine with injustice in fiction, who can say you are not fine with injustice in real life?


Ainz was never really that good being an overlord, Demiurge is pretty much the one doing the thinking part (Ainz had no idea Nazarick's goal was the world domination...) but it's not like Ainz intended to abduct humans and use them as livestock or sex toys; it's something that happened on it's own and something he had to be OK with in order to be seen as an evil overlord, and the only reason why i was "ok" with it as well, was because he couldn't just order the captives to be freed (even though he very well could have without anyone from Nazarick disagreeing, since he's their overlord and a god and stuff)


This made me laugh really, sorry, I can't disagree more. Even though Cruelty in Berserk doesn't go near to the level of cruelty in Overlord, it's still there and it still does draw teenagers and young adults due to its excessive nature. Overlord doesn't go over the top with fanservice? LOL - first episode of season 3 was all about females drooling about Ainz and who'd want to sleep with him. There is no overboard fanservice like panty-shots since it's not that type of Anime, an/or animators thought it would be inappropriate; but fanservice is there and it's hardly vague.

Violence in overlord serves a deeper purpose, like what? Demons in Berserk are terryfying; people getting sacrificed for Griffith's sake; Ainz and his gang in Overlord are terrifying - people getting sacrificed for Nazarick's sake - I don't see "deeper purpose" in comparison. overlord simply lacks gore and shows less blood.

1)That's why Berserk is Berserk and Overlord is Overlord. Overlord doesn't have that much sexual elements though they could have added them without problems; perhaps the author simply decided not to or never thought about it. 2) What plot? For about 4 episodes in Season 2 we were introduced to lizardmen, their lifestyles, who they love, what they wish, and then they get destroyed and became Nazarick's subjects - the end. cruelty there served the plot? It was the biggest waste of time. Overlord recently has been exactly that - a waste of time - time spent developing minor characters who have no future and will most likely contribute nothing to the plot since no matter what Ainz will have his way and they will either die slow deaths or become slaves; just like lizardmen contributed NOTHING and their struggle was pointless and useless. Ainz didn't give F-s about lizardmen before season 2 and doesn't give a F about them after they got beaten. no development of him; we only found out that Cocytus liked the courage from lizardmen and prefered to use them instead of wiping them out; this could have lasted an episode or 1.5x episode at max, instead there was some lizards F-king and whatever. much plot really. This is like watching the lives of people before an asteroid hits earth and everyone dies, you just don't know when it will hit and keep watching and watching, only later realizing that it's been 3 seasons already and the asteroid is still nowhere to be seen!

That's one of the "flaws" of this anime. Ainz isn't trying to be a good guy; he has power to wipe out all the nations, all the opposition in a single blitz attack and declare himself a god of the universe, yet for some reason decides to play as Momonga, play politics and toy with weakling mortals for personal amusement. The series is like watching the said animal torture, hell, for Ainz and Nazarick servants, everybody is even less than insects, so this anime is basically watching them torture and kill everybody without opposition. i don't know about you, but i don't think a sane person would enjoy that.


Thank you) i don't know what i would have done without someone telling me this.)

and did i say i like Berserk more or am fine with injustice and cruelty in there. Berserk has more senseless gore and adds more violence and sex since that's what make Berserk-Berserk, it never tried to be a wolf in sheep's clothing, unlike Overlord. I already said why i, and once again, not me alone, thought overlord was something more. It still makes me chuckle when people talk about greater meaning or how politics matter and stuff. Who needs politics in a series where the MC is a god! Berserk had politics and it made sense there. Lelouch had politics and made sense despite op character. what sense does it make here? Since it all turned into senseless slaugheterfest, it should refrain from boring us with minor character developments, politics, diplomacy, intrigue and shit - since it's all pointless in a bigger picture! why would an evil overlord think about politics. chaos, destruction and senseless slaughter - that what it needs. that's what it had to be from the start, but it didn't and i was mislead. I just pity the time wasted.

Thanks again for YOUR time. and I'm not a kiddo, i'm actually older than you so that was pretty offensive thing to read xD. Nothing to worry about though, and don't take anything personal from what I've said, i certainly didn't intend to offend you - no sarcasm intended as well.

Gator said:

They had not pillaged anything at the point of their deaths/captures. Also did you even watch the episode? Hamsuke was the one who attacked first.Do you actually think Arche's group would've just killed villagers who lived there? Don't be ridiculous. I don't take a stand for anyone outside of their group here.

How do you know the pyramids are empty and have no traps if no one's ever been inside? I want a source of this if you want me to believe that.
And I don't get what traps and creatures in Nazarick have to do with anything. Traps were also in the pyramids and the only creatures they found until they got utterlay massacred were mindless skeletons. Like I already said before, the moment they set foot into Nazarick, their fate was sealed. At that point they already had no way of knowing if someone lives there or not, especialy since the guy who lives there tricked them knowingly into enterting in the first place.


That's exactly what my problem is as well, I fully agree.

398288 said:
they haven't pillaged indeed,but they're fully intent on doing it,if i die when trying to murder someone before i did it will i be innocent?everyone knows the answer to that.Ainz didn't intend to torture them at first,Hekkeran lied to him was akin to him stepping into what Ainz considers most important,his friends in the guild.that was the thing he cared the most for and he got real angry at that

beast_regards said:

Again, dark fantasy genre. Evil men doing evil things is a point.

Dark fantasy in anime is filled to the brim with a torture porn, it's not like those things are exclusive to Overlord, besides other overly dark shows doesn't have necessarily better writing.

PeripheralVision said:
The issue here is that Ainz is ruthless but pragmatic; wats are waged with more regards to practical ends and methods, a d morality is seen as an optional after thought to be discarded when it it becomes unnecessarily burdensome. Read the Melian Dialogues, essentially.

Just as being moral is an obstacle against survival, so is being a sadistic, hedonistic jerk. A king should be feared if not loved, but never hated, as Nicoli Machiavelli may have stated. You don't want to anger potential sllies to satisfy your boner, nor does one want to engage in risky endeavors or waste of resources and time for the LULz.

Ainz comes off less as a cold and calculating conqueror and sorcerer supreme with a retributive ideology, and essentially just a thug in this episode. Maybe.

A thug tortures without regards to any ideals they simply believe in. This was definitely OoC, in any case.

beast_regards said:

It seems your main problem with the show is that you cannot sympathize with a villain. But why would you? He is a villain, villains are not normally meant to be sympathetic.

I know, villains aren't normally the protagonist, so I understand the confusion, but unsympathetic protagonist aren't even that rare in the anime to complain about that.

ridley388 said:
I really hated this episode. Wanted to like the anime but I'm disliking it so much since this season. It's like some people say below. The author tries to introduce you to these characters so you can feel some empathy for them before killing them. This is not what I started watching on season one. This is definitely not my jam. I guess I'm getting old or something, but I don't want to keep watching such depressing stuff.

Elinchayiel said:

There are a lot of different kinds of villains. Even most villains or straight up evil people would find the things that happen in some parts of the show (IE: episode 9) to be...distasteful.

Villains can definately be sympathetic by the way, certainly if they are either well written or have understandable motives.

Elinchayiel said:

At the end of Season 2 and throughout season 3 it feels like Ainz's and co's character development was thrown away for the sake of ''evil'' aka, satisfying people that just want brutal suffering and destruction for the sake of it...

beast_regards said:

Some are, but not all.
Especially anime villains tend to be one dimensional evil rapists.
Anime occasionally have problem with having otherwise morally good protagonists sympathetic due to annoying personalities


I already pointed out that neither anime nor light novel are consistent in their character development, and portrayal of Ainz jumps back and forth from being actually evil to being the unwitting victim.

Elinchayiel said:
And also going from Aintz being smart to needing others to plan for him. In the Shaltear fight you can tell he knows how to plan well, same with the lizard people. Then afterwards its like he forgot all that and just leaves it to Demiurge instead.

It's a shame, because the first 2 seasons are pretty well written plot and characterwise. If it had continued that way I'd definately would of considered it one of the best anime I've seen, and probably looked into the LN.

Tho at the end atleast season 3 did give us a great ED song with some amazing art.

beast_regards said:

Ainz is deeply familiar with the game mechanic (and tactic) and knows how to use it in his advantage, which is something he shows in the fight with Shalltear, but is completely ignorant about everything else, including grand strategy or even interpersonal relations.

This is perfectly OK. It is basic premise of the show.

What I have problem is development of Ainz personality, his sense of right or wrong, morality, or even how he feels about it. Yes, he has emotions suppressed, that's the basic premise, but he don't act consistently since that.

In Shalltear's act, or generally, first three novels, or first season, he doesn't act really evil, killing Clementine is completely justified. However, killing adventurers going after Shalltear is quite dubious, it was first kinda evil act when it was all him.

Otherwise he acts like a hapless individual and generally victim of Demiurge planning when he either don't know about evil that is happening, or is unable to stop it as he fears rebellion.

It still remain ambiguous when Demiurge destroys a portion of a city, abducting thousands of citizens, as Ainz can't really stop it without raising suspicion of his followers.

However, when he order Arche killed, it is all him once again.

Then, when Jirciv delegation arrives, he is lost, hapless individual who don't know to be evil overlord, or interested in being one.

But when battle on Kaize plains comes, he kills thousand of people and laughs about it. This is about to happen in next episode.

Then, then E-rantel is conquered, Ainz is back to being helpless, scared individual not ready for that Overlord thing. This will conclude anime 3rd season.

Then, an arc with the mole men (whatever they are called) comes, and he orders a genocide without a second thought. Back to being evil again!

Darklight0303 said:
Next episode is Carne Villange. The Quagoa is a simple matter considering he is HELPING the dwarves. massacring the enemy of your ally isn't evil. Also stop pretending the Quagoa did not mercilessly slaughter dwarves themselves .They are anything but innocent

beast_regards said:

Ainz is deeply familiar with the game mechanic (and tactic) and knows how to use it in his advantage, which is something he shows in the fight with Shalltear, but is completely ignorant about everything else, including grand strategy or even interpersonal relations.

This is perfectly OK. It is basic premise of the show.

What I have problem is development of Ainz personality, his sense of right or wrong, morality, or even how he feels about it. Yes, he has emotions suppressed, that's the basic premise, but he don't act consistently since that.

In Shalltear's act, or generally, first three novels, or first season, he doesn't act really evil, killing Clementine is completely justified. However, killing adventurers going after Shalltear is quite dubious, it was first kinda evil act when it was all him.

Otherwise he acts like a hapless individual and generally victim of Demiurge planning when he either don't know about evil that is happening, or is unable to stop it as he fears rebellion.

It still remain ambiguous when Demiurge destroys a portion of a city, abducting thousands of citizens, as Ainz can't really stop it without raising suspicion of his followers.

However, when he order Arche killed, it is all him once again.

Then, when Jirciv delegation arrives, he is lost, hapless individual who don't know to be evil overlord, or interested in being one.

But when battle on Kaize plains comes, he kills thousand of people and laughs about it. This is about to happen in next episode.

Then, then E-rantel is conquered, Ainz is back to being helpless, scared individual not ready for that Overlord thing. This will conclude anime 3rd season.

Then, an arc with the mole men (whatever they are called) comes, and he orders a genocide without a second thought. Back to being evil again!

dragonsoldier77 said:
You describe it as ainz swinging between good and evil, when in reality it's has always just been a matter of it being beneficial or not to him. You trying to put ainz as a 'vile evil overlord' or 'scared good guy' is your own mistake in characterizing him. Yes he is not a 'good guy' considering he is willing to do 'evil' when it benefit's him, but his 'morality' has been consistent throughout. Because it's always been a disconnect from him to anything else besides the friends he treasure. In the end everything else are just things that are useful or not to him.

beast_regards said:

Anime has far too many moments when he screams internally, it feels he is totally helpless and certainly not in control of situation, so yes, it indeed feels his personality jumps back and forth.

Zhengxiao said:
What are you doing here if you don’t like Overlord? Why are you even watching it if you don’t like it? I don’t know if you’ve noticed but the whole point of Overlord is to see the evil citizens of Nazarick dominate humans, which will include innocent people. Just quit watching. No point in trying to make a discussion when you can’t change your perspective of the show.

Zhengxiao said:

I don’t know if you’ve noticed but the whole point of Overlord is to see the evil citizens of Nazarick dominate humans, which will include innocent people.

dragonsoldier77 said:

and personality jumps around, which it doesn't. Only his facade of super competency does.

beast_regards said:

Anime has far too many moments when he screams internally, it feels he is totally helpless and certainly not in control of situation, so yes, it indeed feels his personality jumps back and forth.

Montressor said:
Anyone willing to mention that he's an actual Overlord now so maybe that's influencing his thoughts / actions (explains lessened morality)? Plus there is a spell/mechanic whatever you want to call it that controls his emotions.

Elinchayiel said:



His morality and personality do jump around. He goes from being upset an adventurer got tortured to torturing themselves out of pure spite. And that's after inviting them there himself in the first place.

Besides you cant give the argument of ''he is a salary man with no leading experience'' while at the same time claiming ''he is an evil overlord'' these are 2 seperate personalities. It makes no sense for him to jump from one to another at all. It should be one or the other, and in the case of the evil one it should have character development towards it. And thats missing from the story.

Elinchayiel said:


I'm rather surprised not more people seem to noticed that spell.
That said, I dont think that plotthread of him being controlled via emotional limiting is going anywhere anymore, after the change in tone of the plot and dropping character development.

Montressor said:


Which is fair enough.
But I still believe that the physical changes of him becoming an overlord is clashing with the personality and morality he held from the 'real world'; which I think is an interesting way of looking at it. I have no idea if it's ever explored in-depth in the LNs or not.

Tobestik said:
Don't use character development as an excuse to hate Ainz. You simply couldn't handle how Ainz was evil. Incase you didn't pay attention in the previous seasons,
Ainz
- Massacred Lizardmen Warriors
- Killed the adventurers following Momon
- Would have left Carne Village die if not for Sebas
- Kidnapped 10000 civilians of the Kingdom to perform experiments as horrific as those that happened to the workers.

You also say that Ainz is out of character. Wrong. The Carne village arc shows you thism. By complimenting Ainz guildmates, Nemu got amazing treatment from Ainz. However, Foresight insulted his guildmates by lying about them. This shows you that although Ainz may be slowly beckming emotionless and only thinking of pros and cons of his actions, his guildmates still emotionally effect him.

Tobestik said:

- Massacred Lizardmen Warriors
- Killed the adventurers following Momon
- Would have left Carne Village die if not for Sebas

Tobestik said:

- Kidnapped 10000 civilians of the Kingdom to perform experiments as horrific as those that happened to the workers.

Tobestik said:

You also say that Ainz is out of character. Wrong.

However, Foresight insulted his guildmates by lying about them. This shows you that although Ainz may be slowly beckming emotionless and only thinking of pros and cons of his actions, his guildmates still emotionally effect him.

AzorAhai said:
Overlord is an anti hero, but a person PLAYING as him kept leaving an impression that it wasn't that simple, otherwise i would have dropped the series from season 1. P.S i was mislead from the start it seems.

1) Ainz saving Enri and the village - the way i saw it he saved them for the sake of saving the innocents. I mean, come on, if he was honestly evil from the start, he'd do otherwise. He didn't care about the healing potion stuff or how it would benefit Nezerik, at least back then he didn't, he just wanted to protect people from the raiders and from his own servants - all this without ruining the image of him being an evil overlord, thus instead of saying "i pity these humans thus i don't want them dead - pledge to protect", he came up with "it's one of my evil plans to serve my evil deeds - so keep these insects alive". This was meant to silence his servants. Saving Gazef and Brita, avenging the deaths of adventurers he first met - all lead to us to see Ainz as a good guy who simply plays evil from time to time.

2) Lizardmen - Since Ainz is actually human, it is understandable why he'd be fine with genociding them. Deep in heart we, as well as Ainz are all racists after all - humans first; when it comes to wild tribes of "lesser species" it is understandable why he'd want to kill them all without second thoughts. His action here was relevant to me and anyone who have played fantasy games, and even though i fell sorry for them in the end - i was still somewhat fine (though it was a waste of time as I shall explain later).

3) Demiurge's attack on capitol - It was disturbing, but the atrocity was done by Demiurge. Even though Ainz is to be held responsible for the deeds of his servants, Ainz wasn't tainted too much in my eyes since he didn't abduct people personally. Now when it comes to him being ok with these people used for experiments, it is once again understandable why he'd be fine, since a) He can't just say "that's cruel!" He can't disappoint his servants, he must PLAY along - that's how i saw it. Plus, b) when it comes to just giving orders, you feel less guilty right? I mean, if he personally knew people who got abducted or seen their faces for example, he'd be less OK, after all he is still a human inside! Giving execution orders and being an executioner is different things, different levels of stress and influence on sanity, i believe you'd agree. Even though i was not Ok with Ainz closing eyes on suffering of these people, it was still understandable why he'd do it. Up to this point he still seemed like a guy who plays a villain perfectly; he has to. From there, it turned into a cruel guy, playing a cruel villain just for the heck of it - This is what many of us began to hate in this anime.

That's an interesting point of view, though i hardly doubt that most people watch it for the sake of "pleasure found in other's suffering". I might be wrong, but these types of people in my opinion are also fine with watching animal torture or human execution videos - Mentally unstable people i'd say.

can't agree on that one though. Up to this point he left an impression of a weak willed anti-hero, who had to play a role of a villain simply not to disappoint his evil servants, eventually he got used to his role and closed the eyes on numbers of causalities, and eventually became a sadistic piece of shit by completely giving in to his role and actually becoming a cliched super-villain who does evil things for the sake of doing evil things.

As i already said above, this is where our views differ. Ainz wasn't a character worth hating, (and Hitler was also charismatic and a good orator so what?) though i was constantly pissed how he always had to "talk evil" or "play evil" despite the fact that his servants feared/respected/worshiped him. To say it differently Ainz's servants would gladly commit seppuku - had Ainz ordered so; it was irritating how Ainz still had to think about his image and think about the words he'd speak, despite such loyalty and devotion from his servants. I mean, come on, is anyone expecting the "are you really a villain Ainz-sama" from any of these servants? They would not dare!

Seems like in your vision an already acknowledged evil villain has to constantly prove he's evil by doing evil things? I'd say an evil overlord should do whatever they want without the need to prove anything to anyone, that's where Ainz fails; he still worries about trivial things.

When the tombs of Egypt's pharaohs were discovered i doubt that the archaeologists and adventurers were seeing themselves or seen by others as burglars. The tomb did not look like someone's home; you as a viewer knew that this wasn't the case, the workers did not. so invading without the owners permission doesn't apply here. It was never clear if there was an owner to begin with? Or how many explorers come to a tomb and yell out load "is there someone living inside? if no, can we invade?" Even if you take game logic, which it is supposed to be, tombs are usually homes of necromancers of evil creatures, i don't get it why the adventurers would be considering this as a burglary or something bad. They did however when they encountered Ainz, but mercilessness they were met with was something we had never seen from Ainz in person, thus it was disappointing and disgusting how he behaved there.
P.S I don't get it why you see the need to use Latin from time to time. Feels like you're trying too hard.

Ainz was never really that good being an overlord, Demiurge is pretty much the one doing the thinking part (Ainz had no idea Nazarick's goal was the world domination...) but it's not like Ainz intended to abduct humans and use them as livestock or sex toys; it's something that happened on it's own and something he had to be OK with in order to be seen as an evil overlord, and the only reason why i was "ok" with it as well, was because he couldn't just order the captives to be freed (even though he very well could have without anyone from Nazarick disagreeing, since he's their overlord and a god and stuff)

This made me laugh really, sorry, I can't disagree more. Even though Cruelty in Berserk doesn't go near to the level of cruelty in Overlord, it's still there and it still does draw teenagers and young adults due to its excessive nature. Overlord doesn't go over the top with fanservice? LOL - first episode of season 3 was all about females drooling about Ainz and who'd want to sleep with him. There is no overboard fanservice like panty-shots since it's not that type of Anime, an/or animators thought it would be inappropriate; but fanservice is there and it's hardly vague.

2) What plot?

Lease_of_Life said:
Wait, are we supposed to feel sorry for those who found a plethora of gold outside the tomb and decided to raid it anyway?

Who were secretly in foreign, enemy territory?

Who forfeited protection by the adventurer's guild in order to be able to take dirty, lucrative jobs?

Who would have certainly spared no one from Nazarick that was weaker than them?

For all we know, those guys view undead with the same contempt Nazarick views humans. Ainz' mission is clear: to spread the name of Nazarick, and ensure its survival. And he isn't being any more cruel than he needs to in order to accomplish that. Arche's situation is sad, unbelievably so, but Ainz is in no way guilty of it. Why don't you hate on her parents, who were supposed to care for and love her?

Hell, Ainz literally asked what they were there for. They responded: "gold". They found gold. They proceeded to desecrate the tomb anyway.

00784212 said:


Since the very start, Ainz is the invader. Ainz and Nazarick, are not native of NW
and from that:
- The workers are simply native aborigines sent to investigate an alien spaceship that's suddenly parked on their backyard
- Ainz and co have zero right to judge their motive
- Ainz is the one that orchestrated their intrusion, so "self defense" is not an excuse.

Ainz is an irredeemable jerk.


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Darklight0303 said:


Hahahahah nice try bucko but they went into an ENEMY NATION to investigate this alien space ship. It was NOT in their backyard.

Yes they do have the right to judge when the Tomb HAS BEEN RAIDED by entire armies during their game days which is something NPC's have vague memories about.

They were never forced to go. They CHOSE to take the risk as filthy mercenaries that they are.

Again grasp harder. The Workers ARE NOT INNOCENT LITTLE ANGELS

Darklight0303 said:


Hahahahah nice try bucko but they went into an ENEMY NATION to investigate this alien space ship. It was NOT in their backyard.

Yes they do have the right to judge when the Tomb HAS BEEN RAIDED by entire armies during their game days which is something NPC's have vague memories about.

They were never forced to go. They CHOSE to take the risk as filthy mercenaries that they are.

Again grasp harder. The Workers ARE NOT INNOCENT LITTLE ANGELS

Grey-Zone said:


Let's also not forget that the forces of Nazarick didn't invade the New World, but rather got stranded there without having any say on the matter, due the actions of an as of yet unknown power or phenomenon.

The only hint about how Ainz got there was a LN vol. 10 character sheet about Ulbert (Demi-Urge's creator) supposedly confronting "a bad person" in real world around the time of the server shut-down. But it could always turn out to be a red herring considering this author...

00784212 said:

Wow, you're kinda slow on the uptake yeah. Do you need to be spoon fed everything?


Facing an alien, all natives can call every piece of land they were born at, their backyard.
Illegal or not, forced or willing, for the money or whatever is up for the natives to settle between themselves.
One thing for sure, that stuff are not for Ainz who is the most alien in NW to comment or judge.


Also, the worker did not invade. What Ainz did to them was entrapment, because he's a coward jerk that needs excuses.

en·trap·ment /inˈtrapmənt,enˈtrapmənt/
the action of tricking someone into committing a crime in order to secure their prosecution.



How he get there is irrelevant as far as the natives concerns, you expect the audience to blame the author for that?
And Ainz conquering part of the natives land, robbing them of their resource, enslaving the aborigines, yeah, they're invader, a successful one at that.

in·vade /inˈvād/
(of an armed force or its commander) enter (a country or region) so as to subjugate or occupy it.

Darklight0303 said:

Quoting dictionaries does not give your feeble arguments any legitimacy. The tomb was solely the business of the kingdom.

Your pathetic attempts to justify despicable mercenaries is beyond laughable

AzorAhai said:
As the title states, this question is directed Only towards people who enjoyed this episode. I, and not me alone, hated it greatly and here is why:

Injustice: So a group of normal adventurers got hired to venture in what seemed to be abandoned ruins. They were doing their job. They got tortured and killed for no good reason. What was there to enjoy?

Now if it were a group of awful people or group of nobodies, who feel like NPC's instead of actual people, i would have been fine, more or less (like that cocky elf swordsmen who got owned by a hamster), but not here, author deliberately shows how this people are not just soulless, heartless npcs, he even adds drama about one of them needing money for righteous goal (saving sisters). What was the purpose for all this character development if it leads to them getting wiped out. Lizardmen were at least spared a little, even though some had to die. The level of cruelty towards the viewers, not just towards characters, was immense!

The real World itself is a cruel place... I don't think this is something this anime tries to tell us. Since this isn't a kids anime, viewers most likely already know what life is so do ween to be reminded about it here as well? or it does drama just for the sake of drama?

Back to the point, not forget, this particular character i mentioned is 15-17 years old. How can someone enjoy a kind, innocent child getting purposely ridden of all hope, then killed and then devoured. And that insect loli now even has her voice so even in the future we'll have a reminder of this glorious event. Wtf?! And we are reminded thrice that this was a merciful act from Ainz! And we are to cheer for these monsters and feel similar joy as when they always do while killing the weak? Author certainly succeeded in one thing, making a lot of characters to hate.

As for the rest of the group, they don't get instantly killed. Being paralized and experimented on is a fate worse than death. Did they deserve it? Certainly not. They didn't even steal anything or damage anything. Trespassing equals slow death? What to be excited about here? Ainz was merciless, he was determined to kill everyone from the start and didn't even spare a single person. Why? No second thoughts, no regrets. He even had nerve to lecture elf girl about morals... He is bad and does bad things - i get it, but people actually enjoyed suffering of these people? I just wonder why exactly? Because Ainz is cool? It's cool to be edgy and like villains? i hope there is a "better" reason/s than this...

The anime is bad in my opinion, since season 2, especially towards the end. you can like it as much as you want but if you mind, do tell me how you're not grossed out of this exact episode? I was really shocked seeing people glorifying this abomination and already giving it high scores. I mean, cruelty was somewhat acceptable, but this one crossed the line since episode 7. It's a sadistic show. Berserk is sadistic, but it has challenges and plot. What purpose sadism served here?

come on people, are you really fine with this? Does this really genuinely make you happy?

hazarddex said:
@AzorAhai there are only three major groups of people who watch Overlord.

1.Those like me waiting for the classic villains downfall as this series seems to be leading to. like with Macbeth or to use an anime example like Deathnote. your not suppose to like Ainz hes a megalomanac with a god complex a very very flawed character that was established during the first season. the authors seems to be build up with horrible stuff he does before bumping him off at the end.

2. Teenage that are 100% angst.

3. Edgelords that are looking for a power fantasy to distract from there own life.

Quoting dictionaries does not give your feeble arguments any legitimacy. The tomb was solely the business of the kingdom.

Your pathetic attempts to justify despicable mercenaries is beyond laughable

00784212 said:


How he get there is irrelevant as far as the natives concerns, you expect the audience to blame the author for that?
And Ainz conquering part of the natives land, robbing them of their resource, enslaving the aborigines, yeah, they're invader, a successful one at that.

in·vade /inˈvād/
(of an armed force or its commander) enter (a country or region) so as to subjugate or occupy it.

AzorAhai said:


Such narrow-minded outlook on things. You're probably one of those people who say they have no empathy towards German soldiers, or German people in general, during WW2, since they're all Nazis, or supported Nazis - which, if you don't know is wrong.

Workers are not angels, yet staining every single one of them, or claiming "yeah, probably 1% weren't bad so..." is indeed laughable.

Who says that tomb is the business of the kingdom only?!
If a spaceship of X content, with X tech were to fall in Pakistan what do you think would happen? Narrow-minded person would say: "Pakistan should be the one to decide what to do", in reality, every big or small power in the world would send their people to get their hands on the ship, it might even result in world war lol.
Saying that Empire should have just stayed away is annoying and ridiculous, CONSIDERING the FACT that Demiurge is the one who fed the EMPIRE about the whereabouts of Nazarick, so they would send a team, so they would be framed for trespassing, so Nazarick would reveal itself as an independent nation NO ONE KNEW EXISTED before. So tell me how invading a nation that NEVER EXISTED, is an invasion.
Before and IF you reply, do pay attention to this from my example about Pakistan. If nations around the globe were to send their "workers" in Pakistan to get the riches of an alien spaceship, would they be considered invaders as well to you?

Wait, are we supposed to feel sorry for those who found a plethora of gold outside the tomb and decided to raid it anyway?

Who were secretly in foreign, enemy territory?

Who forfeited protection by the adventurer's guild in order to be able to take dirty, lucrative jobs?

Who would have certainly spared no one from Nazarick that was weaker than them?

For all we know, those guys view undead with the same contempt Nazarick views humans.

Ainz' mission is clear: to spread the name of Nazarick, and ensure its survival. And he isn't being any more cruel than he needs to in order to accomplish that. Arche's situation is sad, unbelievably so, but Ainz is in no way guilty of it. Why don't you hate on her parents, who were supposed to care for and love her?

Hell, Ainz literally asked what they were there for. They responded: "gold". They found gold. They proceeded to desecrate the tomb anyway.

You failed to provide a reasonable alternative for Nazarick to not be "invaders". As is they'd be guilty just for defending themselves from potential harm after being dimensionally kidnapped, which is unreasonable to expect.

Or do you mean the victim of a kidnapping is guilty just because the kidnapper threw them into another place and didn't do anything to them? That's just bull.

AzorAhai said:
It's like me talking about flowers and you start arguing about the wind for some reason!

i seriously didn't understand what you're trying to say here. Nazarick isn't guilty for defending themselves, BUT, Nazarick is the one who MADE IT SEEM LIKE THEY WERE DEFENDING.
imagine this, X guy throws a stone from a dark valley getting the attention of an unsuspecting guard walking by. Guard goes to check the source of the noise and enters the dark alley. X guy, who proclaims that this is HIS TERRITORY, kills the guard, justifying his action for killing a trespasser and sues the employer for invading his property as well! How is this defending? You can suddenly create a nation nobody knew existed, kill people and then say "i was just defending myself as any individual should when they're attacked"?
I don't know where this came from? My English might be bad, but is it really that confusing? I mean where did this statement come from?! I even had to re-read my own reply two times! Either you misunderstood or your example is too off topic!

Having spoken with my friend, I’ve come to the conclusion that Ainz was not always as evil as he is now.
At this point in time, he was new in his undead lich body and was still his normal businessman self. Responding to the evil that was attacking the village, he acted in goodness. However, he has slowly developed into a more and more evil character as time progresses.

A common defense mechanism for those who are in the positions to do things that are against their morals is the ‘Orders’ excuse. “I was ordered to murder these people, so it can’t be helped, right?” This defense mechanism is contrary to a defense mechanism on the lines of “I’m not doing it myself so it’s not on my hands?” which I believe is even less valid a defense mechanism than the former that I proposed. Why do I believe this mechanism inferior? Because even though Ainz is not killing/abducting/experimenting with his own hands, it is his agency that brings about this result. If you have the power to cause someone to die by telling someone else to kill them, it is the equivalent of you killing them yourself.

Most people probably like Ainz and want to see him win to be honest. I personally like rooting for the bad guy in a lot of shows/movies if I like them. Most people probably root for the good guy or hero. Is it okay for people to enjoy watching the good guy beat the hell out of the bad guy? If that’s okay, why can’t people enjoy watching an anti-hero beat the hell out of their enemy? And to take it a step further, why not a villain beating up the good guy? Just some food for thought.

Ainz is doing exactly as he should be doing. He’s falling into the role of evil overlord like the guards did in the experiment. He’s not doing the things he’s doing just for the sake of doing evil things though.

So Ainz just got sucked into a new world he knows nothing about,

and the only people he knows right off the bat are his NPCs. Peer pressure causes people to do things they normally wouldn’t in order to avoid social rejection.

Ainz is a Lich. He probably wouldn’t have much rapport with regular humans because Liches are categorized as evil creatures in RPG, D&D, etc. So his best bet is sticking around and maintaining the worship of his super powerful followers who already love him instead of potentially losing their support and the nearly limitless resources Nazarick has to provide.

I think you’re applying too much of your own feelings in this part. You’re still so caught up that someone evil did something evil that you’re not taking into account both sides of the slaughter.

Perhaps if the adventurers hadn’t lied to Ainz, and instead explained their circumstances and begged forgiveness, they might have had a better time. The lie that they gave to Ainz was so grievous and insulting in its half-assedness he had every right to be angry about it.

2) What plot?

All of Nazarick doesn't know how to return to their own world, even if they wanted to - they are stuck there and never intented to go to the New World in the first place.

The thing is that in the New World undead by default are beings "full of hatred for humans", something that's important because it explains why everyone assumes why Ainz wants to kill all humans, but that trait doesn't apply to Ainz - he is only indifferent toward them.

As for why the whole Worker thing being a part of self-defense? It's all about context. Unlike us, the omniscient audience, Nazarick doesn't know who exactly mind-controlled Shalltear so from their perspective it would be stupid to just hide away and keep to themselves as the initiative gets into the hands of whoever possesses the world-level item. It would be extremely dumb to just sit around and let their enemies build up their forces without interruption in the mean time. Escpacially since that enemy could convince the whole world that Nazarick is just a den of unreasonable mass murderers and that would trouble Nazarick even if that description of them is true to an extent. Essentially Nazarick is worried about what happens if someone starts the whole alliance plan that Jircniv was thinking about in S3 EP9 for real, with the world-item user in lead.

By creating a country where human citizen are not treated badly, but perhaps even treated better than they were treated under human nobles, Ainz would be able to gain a lot of legitimacy and might prevent such a scenario, but for that they need the humans to at least give them a chance to rule over them without always being in fear and assuming the worst from the beginning.

The Worker's invasion is a part of the plan that's appearently supposed to accomplish that goal.

Ainz already said that he cannot think of an alternative to Demi-Urge's plan. Now tell me: What would have been a better plan to defend themselves, while not involving others who may or may not be innocent? If you cannot provide a reasonable alternative to Ainz's current way of ensuring his and his peoples' survival, then how can you critisize them?

Again, are they guilty just for defending themselves and ensuring their own survival?

Is the only moral solution to just roll over and die or wait until someone, someday invades them?

Sephyros said:

I couldn't say better, i'm complaining episode after episode in the last episode sections saying "nice the hyper duper strong guy fought against a thousand of normal humans" what's fun about this..

Grey-Zone said:

4. Being curious about the mysteries of the world and solve all the riddles, like figuring out that in the first part of the Sebas "judgement" scene, it's Pandora's Actor based on all the clues provided in the scene, from PA's slip ups to the BGM being a mix of Ainz's and PA's theme. And also curiousity for the several mysteries that have been set up in the story, first and foremost about the mystery of how Ainz got into that world with Nazarick in the first place.

Andri79 said:

Hahaha, are you mad? Your words are too simple. If you don't accept it, why don't you protest to maruyama? If you don't like it, just drop it. I guess you're the type of person who likes generic MC. Overlord is not your league

Elinchayiel said:


They killed that off halfway season 2 and into season 3. This was also my main reason for watching it, as the writing early on was really good. Both an interesting setting and interestingly written characters.
Half of the setting is ruined now (Aintz half), as are the characters. It's essentially a story of well written characters and plot facing annihilation from the terrible writen ones.

Problem is when Aintz and co got turned into ''evil for the lulz'' all their interesting point of views and mysteries became that less interesting. If they are just 2Dimensional characters with no depth, then why would any of the background be interesting anymore?

It's like how Demiurge possibly controlling Aintz was a story thread earlier on, but it seems pointless to consider now that everyone else is acting much like Demiurge is.

00784212 said:


I said, your reasonings are pretty much Things a rapist, pedophile, murderer, terrorist, and pretty much all P2W douchebag bullies in every MMO would say.

What are your argument?

Andri79 said:
AzorAhai
In a human perspective. We kill animals, eat their meat, even some people eat their brains, for example cow brains, using their skin as raw material for making jackets or bags. Is that a cruel thing? No, because it's normal.
In nazarick people perspective. They kill humans, make humans as objects of experiment. For example, killing Arche, making parts of her body for the benefit of Nazarick. Is that a cruel thing? No, because it's normal for them.
If I'm not mistaken, maruyama stated that the new world is like a jungle, and what is applicable is law of the jungle, where the strong is right and the weak is wrong.
In season 1, when a party traveling with Ainz and Narberal was killed by clementine. Is ainz sad? No, because they were weak. And when clementine was killed by ainz because she was also weak.
In new world, Ainz is peak of the food chain. In other words, he can't be harassed, he can only bother the other, strong means right.
If you judge what Ainz has done based on humanity, that is wrong. Ainz is not a human, everyone in Nazarick is not human. And if you consider everything that happens to workers is unfair. Come on, the world is always unfair.
Why do you just blame ainz? Why don't you blame his parents? Why don't you blame the baharuth empire? Simple, Ainz only carried out his role as an absolute ruler. Arche's parents only carry out their role as aristocrats who naturally want to be praised and respected by others. And emperor only carries out his duties utilizing Nazarick in the kingdom area by sending workers to plunder Nazarick. This will give the kingdom a powerful new enemy and the empire a powerful new ally. Simple... Everyone only carries out their respective roles, and that makes the world unfair to some people.