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Feb 2, 2018 8:12 AM
#3001
lastwhisper31 said: dunno what AtE means but from what I observed, your actions or reads were influenced by osie which makes yourself misled on your convictions.@scarletcelestial GG, sorry for attacking you... But u need to know that extreme AtE like that doesn't help ur situation... Ruu and Scarlet were the only sane town here, in my opinion. |
Feb 2, 2018 8:13 AM
#3002
ScarletCelestial said: ur welcome <3Phraze said: @ScarletCelestial u will get used to it. or rather, take it with a pinch of salt. control comes naturally with boredom/experience. raging in-game, rather than post-game, is more effective to let go of bottled anger tho ~ had my share of outbursts that my emotional balance improved since when I started. in short, outbursts are part and puzzle of fitting in Thanks for the kind words. |
Feb 2, 2018 8:17 AM
#3003
DenjaX said: lastwhisper31 said: dunno what AtE means but from what I observed, your actions or reads were influenced by osie which makes yourself misled on your convictions.@scarletcelestial GG, sorry for attacking you... But u need to know that extreme AtE like that doesn't help ur situation... Ruu and Scarlet were the only sane town here, in my opinion. |
Feb 2, 2018 8:30 AM
#3004
ScarletCelestial said: you guys did not let anybody get in your way of reading players. You guys filtered any persuasions other players provide for you and instead worked independently. I did that too. I even blocked Shinichi-kun when he claimed mafia so I can proceed to analyzing posts, associations, etc. I did not want him to play mind games with me at all. DenjaX said: lastwhisper31 said: @scarletcelestial GG, sorry for attacking you... But u need to know that extreme AtE like that doesn't help ur situation... Ruu and Scarlet were the only sane town here, in my opinion. You guys did not fall for modgaming, IIoA and jumping with other peoples push. You guys remained independent and attempted to solve the game without any exterior influences besides the facts that was already presented. I respect that. |
Feb 2, 2018 8:35 AM
#3005
DenjaX said: ScarletCelestial said: you guys did not let anybody get in your way of reading players. You guys filtered any persuasions other players provide for you and instead worked independently. I did that too. I even blocked Shinichi-kun when he claimed mafia so I can proceed to analyzing posts, associations, etc. I did not want him to play mind games with me at all. DenjaX said: lastwhisper31 said: dunno what AtE means but from what I observed, your actions or reads were influenced by osie which makes yourself misled on your convictions.@scarletcelestial GG, sorry for attacking you... But u need to know that extreme AtE like that doesn't help ur situation... Ruu and Scarlet were the only sane town here, in my opinion. You guys did not fall for modgaming, IIoA and jumping with other peoples push. You guys remained independent and attempted to solve the game without any exterior influences besides the facts that was already presented. I respect that. Sweet War put me off from mod gaming for life. Or at least until I forget about Sweet War. |
Feb 2, 2018 9:09 AM
#3006
Feb 2, 2018 9:24 AM
#3007
abhutrash said: Yeah, I mean we probably would've gotten the last lynch correctly, but he still had a chance. Oh well, a win is a win ^^ I saw no way out if RE flipped town, and I felt deceived by the mod at that point (in part colored with more than a little resentment about the pm). |
| Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwrought with golden and silver light, The blue and the dim and the dark cloths Of night and light and the half light, I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams. - WB Yeats |
Feb 2, 2018 9:36 AM
#3008
ScarletCelestial said: I'll complain about it, but I honestly don't have the right considering osie was the obvious cop check night 2 >___<Yeah, me following you was rather stupid. This is what I get for having a freak out (Abu being a saint for putting up with how many PMs I sent him...) |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
Feb 2, 2018 9:51 AM
#3009
osieorb18 said: the irony.. you deceived everyone using role pm shenanigans but this also led to your downfall...abhutrash said: Yeah, I mean we probably would've gotten the last lynch correctly, but he still had a chance. Oh well, a win is a win ^^ I saw no way out if RE flipped town, and I felt deceived by the mod at that point (in part colored with more than a little resentment about the pm). Lastwhisper deceived everyone with modgaming gladiator ability. You thought it was for Scarlet due to him mentioning in thread but it was actually for RE through PM. You couldve waited until host make a post about gladiator before preparing your next mislynch target. As for your ability, it is unfortunate that you did not know that it was not unlimited shots. We talk about balance, perhaps the ability as one shot is already a given. You seemed to know how to balance a game after all. Unli shots is def unbalanced. But seriously, you could had this game. You did not need to rely on game mechanics anymore. People believed you. |
Feb 2, 2018 9:56 AM
#3010
lastwhisper31 said: of course im not blaming you. I made mistakes too, i was being cryptic till the very end. I could have made things easier for town.denjax give me a back im only human... I just did not like that you dumped the blame everything to Scarlet. I find it unfair for her part. There were many factors on why town lost their wae. But it was mostly Shinichi messing with town and osie's pocketing strats. I should have told everone to block Shinichi. xDD |
Feb 2, 2018 9:59 AM
#3011
DenjaX said: Denja, nobody actually believed osie 100%.But seriously, you could had this game. You did not need to rely on game mechanics anymore. People believed you. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
Feb 2, 2018 10:02 AM
#3012
| I'm rly skeptic that maf had a chance in the game. masons for a fakeclaim can rly backfire, esp if theres no investigative role that proves it even exists |
Feb 2, 2018 10:02 AM
#3013
RE1031 said: lol ya...DenjaX said: Denja, nobody actually believed osie 100%.But seriously, you could had this game. You did not need to rely on game mechanics anymore. People believed you. @denjax i dont think there was anything wrong with what i did? idk maybe im wrong and i did not plan to attack Scarlet so hard, but if your gunna do something, make sure you can give reasons for it, or be ready for that attack... this is mafia not real life, innocent till proven guilt dont fly here, its guilty until proven innocent... |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
Feb 2, 2018 10:03 AM
#3014
Phraze said: i dont think so, in a semi flip its nice... Chad was the one who messed up because apparently he didnt know how masons work...I'm rly skeptic that maf had a chance in the game. masons for a fakeclaim can rly backfire, esp if theres no investigative role that proves it even exists |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
Feb 2, 2018 10:04 AM
#3015
RE1031 said: really? I thought it was the other way around. I mean before osie attacked you, i thought he was still on the clear.DenjaX said: Denja, nobody actually believed osie 100%.But seriously, you could had this game. You did not need to rely on game mechanics anymore. People believed you. |
Feb 2, 2018 10:07 AM
#3016
DenjaX said: dude... I knew the last scum had to be a vigilante, like i was the one who came up with that idea... and abhu was already the town vigilante... and anyone else alive with me wouldve voted Osie lolRE1031 said: really? I thought it was the other way around. I mean before osie attacked you, i thought he was still on the clear.DenjaX said: But seriously, you could had this game. You did not need to rely on game mechanics anymore. People believed you. |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
Feb 2, 2018 10:08 AM
#3017
DenjaX said: Lol, I doubted osie from the very beginning thooooRuu and Scarlet were the only sane town here, in my opinion. |
Feb 2, 2018 10:14 AM
#3018
DenjaX said: I'm trying to quit on reading based on mechanics (though that really backfired this game), but with that kind of stunt (Masons with scum??) no way osie was ever going to escape the PoE pile.RE1031 said: really? I thought it was the other way around. I mean before osie attacked you, i thought he was still on the clear.DenjaX said: But seriously, you could had this game. You did not need to rely on game mechanics anymore. People believed you. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
Feb 2, 2018 10:15 AM
#3019
lastwhisper31 said: a fakeclaim that associates urself with ur partner is generally not a good idea. claiming early etc should be fine if there's a way to prove its truth. host-given fakeclaims are meant to be absolute...Phraze said: i dont think so, in a semi flip its nice... Chad was the one who messed up because apparently he didnt know how masons work...I'm rly skeptic that maf had a chance in the game. masons for a fakeclaim can rly backfire, esp if theres no investigative role that proves it even exists |
Feb 2, 2018 10:16 AM
#3020
lastwhisper31 said: osie still have a lot of cards: Trash is SK, Ruu godfather, Scarlet scum, RE fakeclaiming cop, and other things he could pull from his ass xDDDenjaX said: dude... I knew the last scum had to be a vigilante, like i was the one who came up with that idea... and abhu was already the town vigilante... and anyone else alive with me wouldve voted Osie lolRE1031 said: DenjaX said: Denja, nobody actually believed osie 100%.But seriously, you could had this game. You did not need to rely on game mechanics anymore. People believed you. He made it too far lying through his teeth the whole game. He shouldnt have given up... hed be rewarded MVP this game regardless of the outcome. |
Feb 2, 2018 10:17 AM
#3021
Phraze said: ya and chad was caught lying a few times lmao...lastwhisper31 said: a fakeclaim that associates urself with ur partner is generally not a good idea. claiming early etc should be fine if there's a way to prove its truth. host-given fakeclaims are meant to be absolute...Phraze said: I'm rly skeptic that maf had a chance in the game. masons for a fakeclaim can rly backfire, esp if theres no investigative role that proves it even exists "My partner said this and that", and then when we found out his partner was logic, Im like, well thats bs, because ur not about to tell me hes only sitting in mason chat and not talking here... @shinichi-kun |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
Feb 2, 2018 10:17 AM
#3022
DenjaX said: none of those wouldve worked... what?lastwhisper31 said: osie still have a lot of cards: Trash is SK, Ruu godfather, Scarlet scum, RE fakeclaiming cop, and other things he could pull from his ass xDDDenjaX said: RE1031 said: really? I thought it was the other way around. I mean before osie attacked you, i thought he was still on the clear.DenjaX said: Denja, nobody actually believed osie 100%.But seriously, you could had this game. You did not need to rely on game mechanics anymore. People believed you. He made it too far lying through his teeth the whole game. He shouldnt have given up... hed be rewarded MVP this game regardless of the outcome. |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
Feb 2, 2018 10:20 AM
#3023
abhutrash said: so you were just acting on believing osie so he wont nightkill you. Yurkin was right. You were pocketing osie the whole time. Mad poker skills xDD well playedDenjaX said: Lol, I doubted osie from the very beginning thooooRuu and Scarlet were the only sane town here, in my opinion. |
Feb 2, 2018 10:21 AM
#3024
DenjaX said: RE fakeclaiming cop And whose fault was that? |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
Feb 2, 2018 10:21 AM
#3025
DenjaX said: lol shit i do that all the time... wheres my medal...abhutrash said: so you were just acting on believing osie so he wont nightkill you. Yurkin was right. You were pocketing osie the whole time. Mad poker skills xDD well playedDenjaX said: Ruu and Scarlet were the only sane town here, in my opinion. |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
Feb 2, 2018 10:24 AM
#3026
| I guess this was more of a townsided setup, and Osie did well to get this far. maybe it might be less townsided if tpr was on scum's side, but I wasn't :P also, fakeclaims should be less associated with scum partner |
Feb 2, 2018 10:27 AM
#3027
lastwhisper31 said: huh? Then why ddnt you gladiate osie? Im confused.DenjaX said: lol shit i do that all the time... wheres my medal...abhutrash said: DenjaX said: Lol, I doubted osie from the very beginning thooooRuu and Scarlet were the only sane town here, in my opinion. |
Feb 2, 2018 10:29 AM
#3028
| @AbuHumaid thank you for hosting I think you did well for your first time. @yurkin, @shinichi-kun, and @Karote sorry for bailling irl got crazy after N1. @Osieorb18 you did a great job coming in for me thank you for your efforts. @ Town gg |
| Proud Administrator of the D Gray Man FC and OnePunch-Man FC |
Feb 2, 2018 10:29 AM
#3029
| @Phraze sorry your to go out like that :P |
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Feb 2, 2018 10:32 AM
#3030
| wait, u fake claimed?? |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
Feb 2, 2018 10:33 AM
#3031
DenjaX said: xDlastwhisper31 said: huh? Then why ddnt you gladiate osie? Im confused.DenjaX said: abhutrash said: so you were just acting on believing osie so he wont nightkill you. Yurkin was right. You were pocketing osie the whole time. Mad poker skills xDD well playedDenjaX said: Lol, I doubted osie from the very beginning thooooRuu and Scarlet were the only sane town here, in my opinion. |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
Feb 2, 2018 10:34 AM
#3032
lastwhisper31 said: No, but Denja made it easier for osie to push that theory with his own soft claiming.wait, u fake claimed?? |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
Feb 2, 2018 10:35 AM
#3033
| this once, I was prepared for it xD dunno why scum bomb came to my mind, but maybe I was thinking scum would have a countermeasure against tpr (since I was bulletproof). rolled with it anyways...a bit in suicidal mode |
Feb 2, 2018 10:37 AM
#3034
Phraze said: mason was not supposed to be claimed imo, we should have come up with other fake claims but shinichi doesn't like to lie about his role....a learning leasson for sure. I'm rly skeptic that maf had a chance in the game. masons for a fakeclaim can rly backfire, esp if theres no investigative role that proves it even exists Scarlet and osie for MVP btw |
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Feb 2, 2018 10:38 AM
#3035
RE1031 said: yeah my bad.No, but Denja made it easier for osie to push that theory with his own soft claiming. I ommitted my fake claim. I was about to claim i am Town Prophet and will know Karote is going to kill me 5 minutes before phase change. xDD |
Feb 2, 2018 10:41 AM
#3036
DenjaX said: I actually didn't think the soft claiming was a bad thing, I just would have been utterly shocked if anyone actually bought it as reason to doubt my own claim...RE1031 said: yeah my bad.lastwhisper31 said: wait, u fake claimed?? I ommitted my fake claim. I was about to claim i am Town Prophet and will know Karote is going to kill me 5 minutes before phase change. xDD |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
Feb 2, 2018 11:35 AM
#3038
Phraze said: @AbuHumaid before I forget... where's maf chat? And spectators also, please. Mafia and Spectators. |
Feb 2, 2018 11:43 AM
#3039
RE1031 said: DenjaX said: I actually didn't think the soft claiming was a bad thing, I just would have been utterly shocked if anyone actually bought it as reason to doubt my own claim...RE1031 said: lastwhisper31 said: No, but Denja made it easier for osie to push that theory with his own soft claiming.wait, u fake claimed?? I ommitted my fake claim. I was about to claim i am Town Prophet and will know Karote is going to kill me 5 minutes before phase change. xDD osie was the one who did, I believe. |
Feb 2, 2018 1:27 PM
#3040
ScarletCelestial said: Well, he was scum searching for anything to save his own hide, so he doesn't count xDRE1031 said: DenjaX said: RE1031 said: yeah my bad.lastwhisper31 said: No, but Denja made it easier for osie to push that theory with his own soft claiming.wait, u fake claimed?? I ommitted my fake claim. I was about to claim i am Town Prophet and will know Karote is going to kill me 5 minutes before phase change. xDD osie was the one who did, I believe. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
Feb 3, 2018 3:18 AM
#3041
Phraze said: @AbuHumaid before I forget... where's maf chat? ScarletCelestial said: I'll invite both of you.Phraze said: @AbuHumaid before I forget... where's maf chat? And spectators also, please. Mafia and Spectators. |
Feb 3, 2018 5:52 AM
#3042
| I'd also like to see Spec Chat @AbuHumaid Giant Wrapup post on my perspective of the game to come later today. |
| Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwrought with golden and silver light, The blue and the dim and the dark cloths Of night and light and the half light, I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams. - WB Yeats |
Feb 3, 2018 7:21 AM
#3043
osieorb18 said: check your club invitesI'd also like to see Spec Chat @AbuHumaid Giant Wrapup post on my perspective of the game to come later today. |
Feb 3, 2018 10:27 AM
#3044
| Okay, first off some explanation/analysis of what went down from my perspective (in part through train of thought while reskimming the thread), then messages to individuals. Ctrl-F for your name with the spoiler open will find spots specifically talking about you, or you can just read it through. I came in to a slot that was supposed to die. I had barely even skimmed the first 20 pages, let alone 21-30. "You're a god." <- @Karote "I forgot how good you are at Mafia." <- @Shinichi-Kun "I can't believe that I was told these things. I'm not good at this game." <- Osie outside of game. I saw Shinichi had bungled up a mason claim and rushed to cover his tracks, carrying him with me. There always has to be a solution. FCIrritation+1=1 The mason claim meant either throwing Shinichi as far away from me "No such chat" or accepting it "Yeah, we're masons." I was not confident in the former, since I didn't know what Logic had said so far, and the latter seemed to have some interesting avenues of play based on the idea I had at that point of fakeclaiming Shin as, well, Universal Godfather. The phase extension was crucial. It gave me time to lay down questioning; I was able to set myself up as an active, hardworking town. I approached the thread at that point convincing myself I was town, a mason with Shinichi, and I didn't know anybody else's alignment that wasn't modconfirmed. My ideal scum game is just playing the game as town, with the exception of night phase (daychat and nighttalk through me off a bit, and the deepwolf was too tempting). "I'm still trying to avoid any natural instinct to scumread you on sight... It's... not the worst situation right now." - Osie to @lastwhisper31 LOLCounter=1 I figured I'd do a readthrough of the thread and then share my notes, making it clear I was thinking from a town perspective. That would have taken 4 days that I did not have. "He's scum's first choice for NK" <- Osie about @Pokeit I wanted to avoid killing Pokeit for as long as possible to create lots of wine about why he was still alive, and use him as a vig. I knew that Karote and I were less likely to be tracked there (Ninja implies Tracker), so killing other people based on their role seemed better. I was hoping I could pocket Pokeit, which I felt I did reasonably well. There was no way that Pokeit would live to LYLO, though. @ScarletCelestial's Mafia-aligned Masons comment was the first point against Scarlet for me. She had to go, hopefully sooner rather than later. ❤️4ScarletCounter=1 I felt like I had established myself reasonably as a less-optimal shot even at this point. Even if Shinichi was lynched or killed, I could work past it by ditching him as a Universal Godfather or the like. "Your delicious butt" <- @DenjaX about @Pokeit LOLCounter+1=2 I honestly feel that godfather is a bastard role. I am less than likely to include it in my setups unless I specify that I'm including some bastardy things. "I think Last has mostly been his normal flaily self." <- Osie about @Lastwhisper LOLCounter+1=3 I planned to pocket LW pretty quickly, figuring that if I didn't, his high activity meant that I had to kill him. I relied in part on this thought from Zero Escape: Phraze said: Last is easily swayed by AtE. And then @Shinichi-kun didn't know what a Mason was. ARRRRGGGGGGGGH OMGUSIrritation=1 @Re1031's #1539 was one of many posts really good at convincing me that she was not cop, and that she was GOAT. RE4GOATCounter=1 "I have my reasons to say riku is confirmed town. It's not related to his Miller claim. It's also no related to my role. But I know he is. Take a min and think about it…" <- @Ruu about @Riku THIS IS A GARBAGE CLAIM! WHAT ARE YOU DOING? OMGUSIrritation+1=2 And then @Abhutrash falseclaimed 1-shot. FCIrritation+1=2 "It's not my place" <- @Ruu about telling @Riku's role. This sort of series of posts is generally followed up with lying or admitting wrongdoing… OMGUSIrritation+1=3 Snapvote for Riku in response to neighborizer claim because scum neighborizer is more popular nowadays and because of masonizer claim… The latter made me grit my teeth about Shinichi. FCIrritation+1=3 "look, a neighborizer is town, the person he chooses might not be town." <- @Ruu about @Riku OMGUSIrritation+1=4 "I'm a 2-shot doctor (I will protect myself tonight so mafia don't even bother). " <- @Ruu FCIrritation+1=4 "@silentwhisper31" <- @Ruu about @lastwhisper31 being away OMGUSIrritation-1=3 Then, I claimed to choose at the beginning of the game. There's certainly roles that choose players at the beginning of the game prior to day 1. This isn't nearly as unusual as people were acting. "He should have lost his ability when he turned into a mason." <- @Ruu about @Shinichi-kun OMGUSIrritation+1=4 "That's a pretty big assumption not worth the risk making." <- @RE1031 to @Ruu RE4GOATCounter+1=2 "ones a passive, ones an active. fairly common thing there." <- @Riku about his role So Riku can modgame with impunity but when I do it, it's problematic? *Grumble Grumble* And then the game turned into Monty Python's Argument Sketch. between me and Riku. OMGUSIrritation+1=5 LOLCounter+1=4 "cop should most certainly not claim solely to prove that miller could exist in this set up." <- @RE1031 about my rolefishing RE4GOATCounter+1=3 "At least you don't make 14 posts in a row. Better than @Shinichi-kun in that way, lol." <- Osie about @Shinichi-Kun's early game, while I make a ton of posts in scumchat. I want to mention to @Riku and others that this is a terrible way to get someone of any alignment to lay off of you, as tunneling is generally a town behavior. At most you'll get a reconsider, but not laying off unless they immediately decide they were wrong after thinking it through. "seems redudant to have a miller but no cop has any such thing came forth?" <- @Shinichi-Kun's rolefishing is even less subtle. This from @Ruu is something that looks scummy - you're trying to gather all opinions explicitly rather than reading people's posts or asking particular people. I try to game solve as both alignments… Also, Desperado can legitimately be Cop + Vig. I was looking for a townie way to explain claim vig and that was the best method that came up. It's kinda funny because I put 1-shot there to make it more believable, forcing myself to find a way to shoot someone else. I was pondering if I would just suggest that Abhu is scum vig or what. I have a lot of respect for @lastwhisper31 for holding out on his ability until late game. A lot of skilled players have difficulty not jumping the gun on that sort of thing. "I feel like you answering for yourself and shin… is soooo weird" <- @lastwhisper31 recognizing me carrying Shin. "only scum doesn't quickclaim neighbourizer too, IMO." <- I actually want this to be commonly accepted strategy for normal neighbourizers. Town Neighbourizer is so useful if you can turn it into a Cop/Mason role. Claiming early makes it easier to do that. "Or are you trying to push a scumteam of Shin-Osie-Wisp? Because if I replaced into that, I'd find a way to die as soon as possible to put me out of my misery." <- Osie about @Shinichi-Kun and @lastwhisper31 LOLCounter+1=5 Random off-thought: I actually really like a lot of @Ruu's analysis this game. I figured that my claim was going to get convoluted enough that people would say "There's no way that's a scumclaim." @abhutrash did not disappoint. "What you are doing is none of that at all. You are not countering people's argument and just refute them without a counter. We are not talking to a wall here." <- @DenjaX for Scum MVP #2 based on #1857 and #1859 "Riku could be Mafia Neighbouriser who claimed Miller so that any point after claiming he gets lynched Shin and osie would be in the clear for the rest of the game." <- @ScarletCelestial justifying a vote on @Riku. ❤️4ScarletCounter+1=2 "Why shouldn't Shinichi-kun just roleblock who he thinks the scum are?" <- @RE1031 towards me suggesting confirming Shin by having him target town. RE4GOATCounter+1=4 "I'm willing to claim my role starting tomorrow, but only if Shin doesn't RB me tonight." <- @ScarletCelestial when we were discussing the possibility of a Virgin. I was convinced that Scarlet was virgin for a bit, and then we got Ironace's claim. FCIrritation+1=5 ❤️4ScarletCounter+1=3 AND… I slipped up on claiming Shin as Roleblocker. Should have figured that there would be a counterclaim. Welp, I killed Shinichi. "there cant be 2 roleblockers for town." <- @Ironace WATCH ME DEFY THIS SOMETIME IN A SETUP. "Why arent you volunteering to die for Shinichi if you really townfirm him?" <- @DenjaX to Osie. This is such a scummy way of thinking it hurts. You're setting up a misfire on a vig shot when another way of confirming Shinichi has already shown up. The Shinichi Godfather setup had another function: Hiding the real godfather in @Karote. Unfortunately @Abhutrash killed Karote before @RE1031 could cop him, which had to happen given Karote's early scumclaim, but that setup was there. At this point in the game I mustered all my frustration as "Town Masonizer" Osie deceived by "Fake" @Shinichi-kun. This wasn't all that hard. I just imagined every moment I was remotely irritated or disgusted by Shinichi's play this game, and every moment from Zero Escape and otherwise outside of the game I was even vaguely irritated by Shinichi. I then conflated @lastwhisper31 into things, which made it much, much easier. "your sack of rice wont be in vain" <- @DenjaX I'm still not sure what this means. I argued for mafia to be able to kill mafia at this point. I really wanted to clear myself by shooting @Karote. And I was told I couldn't. :( As a side point, I made it very clear for DAYS that I thought the Jumper shot could fire multiple times. If I had seen that as a mod, I would have probably PM'd the player telling them that it was a 1-shot ASAP, rather than waiting until they tried to use it. @AbuHumaid Anyways… Shinichi as Scum Tree Stump. This was… not a good gamestate. I respect @AbuHumaid's choice to stick with the rules of the day phase, but given that every town player was asking for something that's almost always anti-town (as funny as that was as scum), I think it would probably have been better form to grant it. I can use Shinichi's alignment to badmouth people. Yay! Let's start with Ruu! "Are you a tree? Because all I can see is shade!" <- Osie about @Ruu's scumread on me. LOLCounter+1=6 I was working hard to conflate clearing the role and clearing the alignment in people's head while not making it obvious. This was really difficult to do to anybody other than @Lastwhisper31. Posting regular readlists with explanation is town behavior, no? "I respect that is Denja's catchphrase" <- @Lastwhisper31 about @DenjaX "I respect that." <- Osie about @DenjaX in response to @Lastwhisper31 After LW called me out for wine, I didn't want to do this, but I was considering repeatedly calling Shinichi's distancing next-level fakery, instead of just the couple of times. The obvious problem being that you can always add another level of WIFOM. "I think the roles might have been randomized in a manner that was possible." <- Osie about existence of neighbor + mason I wanted to push this angle, that the roles were picked randomly from a pool and could have gone either way, with variations to town and scum. Nobody really took the bait, though. :( If @Lastwhisper31 had gladiated @Riku, I'd actually have voted for Last instead, on principle. And that might have looked really dang good for me. Dunno. "I don't really like mechanical part of the games and find it hard to follow it up" <- @Karote about the previous discussions. Aww, I love game mechanics. "i mean behavioural reads are a slippery sloap" <- @Riku continuing to act super scummy. "this dude said motherfucking trust, I'm so done" <- @Lastwhisper31 about @Riku. I considered for a tiny bit pushing this statement further, but decided against it. "I find the balance between behavioral and mechanical elements to be one of the most beautiful things about mafia." <- One of my better quotes this game. Not having an ISO function was frustrating, but I got used to using ctrl-f after a little while. And here we go with my Scarlet/Last gambit. "*sips his wine* Edit-Sips Osie's wine" <- @Shinichi-Kun hamming it up. LOLCounter+1=7 ❤️4ScarletCounter+1=4 "nice trying to discredit a detractor rather than actually scumhunting when your time is short." <- Osie towards @Riku Stolen from the playbook of someone tunneling me when both of us were town. I think Shin came after me in thread a little too softly after his flip, TBH. There's a proper balance, and there were some moments where I would have loved to see more aggression. He was worried about coming across unusually, though. So maybe it was better that way. "If I die tonight, Karote is mafia." <- Nice try, @DenjaX. FCIrritation+1=6 "logically glad is always 1 shot doesn't make sense to have 2 shots" <- @Shinichi-Kun Again, totally putting a multishot gladiator into a setup, now. And… @ScarletCelestial claims 1-shot tracker. FCIrritation+1=7 And… @ScarletCelestial tracked the deputy to the doctor, and cast doubt on Abhu's alignment. ❤️4ScarletCounter+2=6 "I don't care about what's in the thread" <- @lastwhisper31 to Scarlet LOLCounter+1=8 "I am starting to think Ruu may be Godfather with no proof." <- @ScarletCelestial to Last. This was a Plan B to suggest to Karote if I died first. "u do realize my partner is the counter to your damn role." <- @Shinichi-Kun to Ruu. OMGUSIrritation+1=6 Why even claim this? That was giving away free information. "Osie cant even be scum in this case, cause then we have to rationalize why two people died…" <- @lastwhisper31 LOLCounter+1=9 "Shinichi let slip that Scarlet is his buddy and that her push on LW was a scumpush on an easy mislynch. It's Shinichi + Scarlet for the win." ❤️4ScarletCounter+1=7 "So either host is bastard or you're lying. I'm gonna go with you lying." <- @Pokeit I was expecting Pokeit to hold to this and the game would end with Karote being the easy target. "Look, I don't even need to live through Shin + Scarlet lynches, and I kinda doubt that I will, unless they kill you." <- Osie about Pokeit's push. "if you are a survivor I say we kill you just to avoid your lazy win." <- @Ruu about Karote LOLCounter+1=10 "Oh no, I didn't think of anything for if Ruu flips off Last." <- Osie about Ruu's gif. LOLCounter+1=11 I got warned for flaming for flipping a player off through a gif in a game I played… And one of Forum or Mafia Society rules explicitly don't allow profanity, but I saw a lot of it. Not sure what's actually up with things there. "DESPERADO CAN'T KILL MILLER. […] DESPERADO IS A DAY VIGILANTE" <- @ScarletCelestial about my role. ❤️4ScarletCounter+1=8 "You fearmongering jerk." <- I'm such a dick. ❤️4ScarletCounter+1=9 "Is it just Scarlet or do scum usually flail this badly here?" ❤️4ScarletCounter+1=10 "osie's claim is annoying to deal with but at least he has town behavior to back it up." <- Why thank you, @RE1031. Scarlet Angleshooting comment here. See my talk about this below. ❤️4ScarletCounter+1=11 "Shinichi, noone likes you. Go sit in the corner and think about what you've done." <- Osie about @Shinichi-Kun LOLCounter+1=12 "I might be small but I know where to hit ;)" <- @Ruu about Last LOLCounter+1=13 "can we vote for 24hour phase change today?" <- @Lastwhisper31 I was in such disbelief that there was unison on this from everyone present. I was in even more disbelief when @AbuHumaid decided against it. I missed the D_V gif from @Shinichi-Kun the first time around. I laughed hysterically when I came across it this time. I considered making a sodomy joke about the plan B gif, but decided against it. LOLCounter+1=14 Of note: I also feel like plurality lynch would be best changed with a built-in super majority clause to go between the two. Like, if 2/3 or more of the players vote to lynch, there should still be a lynch. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ "get over it... Ur not even trying, and you are only pushing Osie when I told you he can't be scum... This is scum AtE and it's bad play" <- @Lastwhisper31 towards Scarlet being upset about the chart comment. I'm hoping that in hindsight, @lastwhisper31 understands why this comment was not so great. And… then @Karote tried to bus me. And… then @Karote falseclaimed EARLY. FCIrritation+1=8 OMGUSIrritation+1=7 And… then I was told about the typo in my Role PM and became infuriated and disgusted with this game. "So you gladiate me, TPR puts the game into very unclear LYLO by killing Ruu or you." <- Fearmongering serves its purpose from Scum. "I'm pretty exhausted." <- I very much was tired of things at this point. "I know how good you are at talking yourself out of situations…" <- @Lastwhisper31 to me. I'm not entirely sure if I agree with this, but okay… "you are totally different this game" <- @Lastwhisper31 to me. This is true, though. "You successfully pocketed me. I didn't notice." <- Osie to @Re1031 RE4GOATCounter+1=5 I was going to nightkill Last on the thought that I could argue that I wouldn't kill my biggest supporter. I was so ready for coming back to do that. But then "RE is the gladiate target" <- What?! Gladiator is a publicly declared challenge in thread that is responded to by the moderator in thread every time I've seen or heard of it in the past. It adds to flavor and eliminates exactly this sort of surprise. Also, even when it is done in PM, changing it outside of a typo when further information has come out is not usual. "I want to see him squirm on MYLO or LYLO…" <- @DenjaX about me. Yeah, that wasn't about to happen. The game was in the bag until the gladiator shot. Even if Last was dead, Ruu was cleared, and Abhu would have voted for me in a heartbeat. Scarlet would have been my best shot, and I don't think I would have pulled it off. Totals: FCIrritation * 2000 = 16000 OMGUSIrritation * 100 = 700 TotalIrritation = FCIrritation+OMGUSIrritation+Endgame-(Funtimes+Lulz) = 16700 + 9001 - 16701 = 8999 -> Not too bad. LOLCounter = 15 + A bunch = A lot RE4GOATCounter = 5 + You rock! = @Re1031 is GOATiest of GOATs. ❤️4ScarletCounter = 11 + A lot more where that came from = ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ General Comments: In all seriousness, Town, stop lying so much! I get that it's fun to get one over on scum, but Lynch All Liars became a thing for many sites for a long time for a reason… Town isn't supposed to lie nearly this much. I feel like if Town had lied less it would have helped this game out a lot for everybody, and I have an extra bit of respect for those who played this game straight. See this article from a fantastic town player for more on when town should lie. Despite specific problems that came up during this game for me with the mod or other players, overall I enjoyed playing in it quite a bit. I'm not likely to participate in explicitly bastard games, but if another not-so-bastard game pops up, I might give it a try, MeatWorld constraints and other games allowing. I might also try to mod a game or two over here. We'll see. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ User-Specific Messages: @ScarletCelestial, I'm sorry. I figured I wouldn't have to do this, and yet, in my second online scum game, I'm apologizing for accusing someone of possibly cheating again. Last time was a gambit, that I learned afterwards was in bad form. This time was not. I legitimately looked at your post outside of alignment and said "That's really concerning." Hence "I don't care what your alignment is, but please don't try to use OoG." You can see some similar moments to ZE with at least both of Phraze and Shinichi, actually, if you ever give that a read. After being a responsible face/moderator/host in a lot of social groups, it's really hard for me not to do that. I still feel really bad about this, though. It seemingly destroyed your interest in the game, making things miserable for you. I know that feeling too well, and I don't want that to happen to anyone. For what it's worth, I have a ton of respect for you sticking to your guns on the role issue even when everyone else was letting it go. I hope you can forgive me for being such a tightass about rules and that future games between us can go better. @AbuHumaid, I also want this apology to extend to you, both for my behavior towards Scarlet, for basically redesigning a section of your game, and for ending the game as I did. This game was a lot of fun in and of itself, and I greatly appreciate the work you put into it. You did a pretty dang good job, especially for a first game. Although I do think 4 scum + TPR is pretty extreme on the anti-town. I'm still a little bit irritated about the role PM typo, but I forgive you for it. I felt it would be more appropriate to not make a scene about it or argue for an additional shot, though. Mason is a terrible false claim for scum, especially when you have a neighbourizer in the same game. If anything it would have been better to not give a false claim. @Lastwhisper31, Thanks for being hard-pocketed by me! :P It's very easy to focus on emotions in a game like this. I highly suggest that you try to take a step back more often and breathe a bit. I think that would have helped greatly in several moments both here and in ZE. Calm, rational critical thinking is key to being a better mafia player (and honestly, a great human being). Your aggression in general hurt town more than it helped here, and could have lead to a mislynch on you if people were so inclined (I was certainly considering pushing for it at several moments). @Shinichi-Kun, Yeah, I don't think anyone is trusting me here for a while. This game was too damn good. Also, as easy as it is to rag on you for tripping the scum team up with the mason claim, I don't think that's totally fair. The blame also lies with me, with Abu, and so on. Overall, I think you did a reasonable job with what you had. @Karote, Despite claiming early, I think your claim still helped me out a lot. I couldn't have survived into the late game as I did without such a setup for deepwolfing. @RE1031, I wasn't lying when I said you were Town GOAT this game. You played very well, and I want to extend my utmost respect for you for that. @Riku, I can't believe I wasn't lynched/killed/copped just off of killing you. The push on you based on not scumhunting is one that if you want to counter more effectively, you have to respond with more than just contradiction. "'If I make them attempt to lynch me based on obvious reasons, they are likely scum'. Osie fell for that tactic" Actually, you were an easy target because you claimed miller. Anything else was a bonus for one or the other of us. @Ruu, You are a solid mafia player, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Unlike all those other mean people, I wouldn't kill or lynch you, my dearest Ruu. Maybe be less inclined to lie as town, though? @Pokeit, The primary reason you were alive as long as you were is that I really wanted to play this balls-to-the-wall. I'm sure that you were surprised that you survived even 1 night. @DenjaX, First off, thanks for softclaiming cop, lol. Second, thanks for following my Lynch-All-Liars call-out. Okay, so modgaming… For me, modgaming is just bad play, relying on knowledge of how the mod acts to think about what would be in setup or what they might have done. I am aware that some sites explicitly ban modgaming in a more general term. I've not heard it used to refer to false claiming by lying about the mod's words, something which, as far as I was concerned, was perfectly fair game. That's probably a cross-site culture clash going on, but I honestly don't feel super bad about this as there was also no explanation to me of what you had such a problem with. I was legitimately confused throughout most of your push on me for this, and as such just took it as you not believing my claim. "I even had to block shinichi using MAL block feature lel." DON'T DO THIS. This is blacklistable (probation from mafia) behavior on MTGS and should be much the same on MAL. You should not be putting other players on ignore on site for in-game stuff. As far as I know, there was no issue of an appropriate magnitude here to put Shinichi on ignore. @Phraze, I see we aren't friends according to your response to yurkin in spec chat. :( "yey for getting his scum meta. its so tasty" <- This is… a bit different as my first somewhat normal scum game. @ironace, "shin has basically gave away all scums as he would try to divert the attention whenever someone would call osi/karote scum." I noticed this all too well. Beyond the whole godfather mason setup, I wanted to get rid of @Shinichi-Kun's dead weight sooner rather than later. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thanks for a good game, everyone. I'll see you around! |
osieorb18Feb 3, 2018 11:01 AM
| Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwrought with golden and silver light, The blue and the dim and the dark cloths Of night and light and the half light, I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams. - WB Yeats |
Feb 3, 2018 11:24 AM
#3045
osieorb18 said: Idk how i had softclaim cop but okay lel. I initially want to claim Town Prophet and spout more bullshit about my role because I knew I will die if I hide behind scum. Karote had no escape but I deleted it because I didn't want to cheese my win. You guys wasted a kill on me so thanks on that too. You guys could have gotten 3 night kills in one night. I successfully baited a night kill. xDDDenjaX, First off, thanks for softclaiming cop, lol. Second, thanks for following my Lynch-All-Liars call-out. Okay, so modgaming… For me, modgaming is just bad play, relying on knowledge of how the mod acts to think about what would be in setup or what they might have done. I am aware that some sites explicitly ban modgaming in a more general term. I've not heard it used to refer to false claiming by lying about the mod's words, something which, as far as I was concerned, was perfectly fair game. That's probably a cross-site culture clash going on, but I honestly don't feel super bad about this as there was also no explanation to me of what you had such a problem with. I was legitimately confused throughout most of your push on me for this, and as such just took it as you not believing my claim. "I even had to block shinichi using MAL block feature lel." DON'T DO THIS. This is blacklistable (probation from mafia) behavior on MTGS and should be much the same on MAL. You should not be putting other players on ignore on site for in-game stuff. As far as I know, there was no issue of an appropriate magnitude here to put Shinichi on ignore. As for modgaming, I wasn't calling you out because it was a bannable offense or whatever you described it. I called you out because it is nonsense. I am a notorious modgamer so I can see through your bullshit. xDD I have done ethically worse gaming behaviour than you. I used PM hunting, threatened to modkill, flavour gaming, angleshooting, modgaming, mudslinging, etc. It is not about the ethics about your actions. You were just not convincing to me because I played many closed set-up games in my mafia career to know which one is bullshit or not and you never convinced me. I just laid off you back because you had a legitimate proposal on clearing your role. I did not live another day to analyze your BS claim. Overall, what you were doing were acceptable in my book. It has easy scumtell such as IIoA. As for ignore, really? Damn, I should be banned a long time ago. I used that tool to analyze everyone else without any hindrance from the confirmed scum. I wasn't even interacting with Shinichi much. It was only temporary because I have Shinichi on my other game that I hosted lol. I thought it was a good tool to get ISOs. |
Feb 3, 2018 11:32 AM
#3046
osieorb18 said: I enjoy seeing u struggle, or anyone for the matter (even my fellow townies). Last and Ruu understands me <3@Phraze, I see we aren't friends according to your response to yurkin in spec chat. :( "yey for getting his scum meta. its so tasty" <- This is… a bit different as my first somewhat normal scum game. that summary of frustration is the norm in this site btw. could be affected by the lying. it defo didnt help that u posted commands to the mod with "Open Crate" since we take that kind of communication srsly. and ofc, Last followed suit with his gladiating since it was deemed ok... ur a bad example =.= u still got modkilled in the end, and would've lost, so I guess it worked out. no hate tho its just ironic XD [edit: another thing, Denja is a habitual gambiter/liar in mafia.] also.. @Shinichi-Kun Shinichi-Kun | Jan 23, 9:47 AM guess I shoulda killed u instead lol. I can shove this 2nd place victory at ur face now right? :3i hope we win just so i can shove this victory in phraze and kyle's face lol |
Feb 3, 2018 11:50 AM
#3047
DenjaX said: As for ignore, really? Damn, I should be banned a long time ago. I used that tool to analyze everyone else without any hindrance from the confirmed scum. I wasn't even interacting with Shinichi much. It was only temporary because I have Shinichi on my other game that I hosted lol. I thought it was a good tool to get ISOs. I just was using ctrl-F; worked well enough. If you look at the miniprofile, you see people's join dates and you can use that to ctrl-F for people. Alternatively, you can ctrl-F for a unique bit of someone's signature, such as "pierrot" in @Phraze's signature. I used that a lot even when looking at ISOs in ZE because the game was so dang long (over 8000 posts). The issue is that you can 1. Often force an advantage by making people not able to see your posts. 2. Often force an huge game change by just not responding to someone's posts, even if they can see your posts. <- (This probably would have been the case anyways, but it's still pretty bad form to mechanically force it.) |
| Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwrought with golden and silver light, The blue and the dim and the dark cloths Of night and light and the half light, I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams. - WB Yeats |
Feb 3, 2018 11:55 AM
#3048
Phraze said: that summary of frustration is the norm in this site btw. could be affected by the lying. it defo didnt help that u posted commands to the mod with "Open Crate" since we take that kind of communication srsly. and ofc, Last followed suit with his gladiating since it was deemed ok... ur a bad example =.= Yeah, I don't get that. I mean, scum is going to lie, in fact, they are inherently going to lie about what they were told by the mod. Should scum strictly follow their roles and mod-given false claims? That seems crazy, especially when town doesn't do that. |
| Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwrought with golden and silver light, The blue and the dim and the dark cloths Of night and light and the half light, I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams. - WB Yeats |
Feb 3, 2018 12:01 PM
#3049
osieorb18 said: Did I forget to tell you that I played on mobile for most of the game? That is an impossible feat for me.DenjaX said: As for ignore, really? Damn, I should be banned a long time ago. I used that tool to analyze everyone else without any hindrance from the confirmed scum. I wasn't even interacting with Shinichi much. It was only temporary because I have Shinichi on my other game that I hosted lol. I thought it was a good tool to get ISOs. I just was using ctrl-F; worked well enough. If you look at the miniprofile, you see people's join dates and you can use that to ctrl-F for people. Alternatively, you can ctrl-F for a unique bit of someone's signature, such as "pierrot" in @Phraze's signature. I used that a lot even when looking at ISOs in ZE because the game was so dang long (over 8000 posts). The issue is that you can 1. Often force an advantage by making people not able to see your posts. 2. Often force an huge game change by just not responding to someone's posts, even if they can see your posts. <- (This probably would have been the case anyways, but it's still pretty bad form to mechanically force it.) |
Feb 3, 2018 12:05 PM
#3050
DenjaX said: osieorb18 said: Did I forget to tell you that I played on mobile for most of the game? That is an impossible feat for me.DenjaX said: As for ignore, really? Damn, I should be banned a long time ago. I used that tool to analyze everyone else without any hindrance from the confirmed scum. I wasn't even interacting with Shinichi much. It was only temporary because I have Shinichi on my other game that I hosted lol. I thought it was a good tool to get ISOs. I just was using ctrl-F; worked well enough. If you look at the miniprofile, you see people's join dates and you can use that to ctrl-F for people. Alternatively, you can ctrl-F for a unique bit of someone's signature, such as "pierrot" in @Phraze's signature. I used that a lot even when looking at ISOs in ZE because the game was so dang long (over 8000 posts). The issue is that you can 1. Often force an advantage by making people not able to see your posts. 2. Often force an huge game change by just not responding to someone's posts, even if they can see your posts. <- (This probably would have been the case anyways, but it's still pretty bad form to mechanically force it.) Ah. Fair. Yeah, ISOs are much harder on mobile. I believe a search function still exists on most mobile browsers though... |
| Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwrought with golden and silver light, The blue and the dim and the dark cloths Of night and light and the half light, I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams. - WB Yeats |
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