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Jan 27, 2018 7:05 PM
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zgmfx99a said:
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I hope there are physical consequences of Mitsuru riding with 02. He seemed to be taller in the end.

In the last episode (ep 2) those elder like people explicitly explain, effect of being a partner with 002 is fast aging, remember the dude who partner 002 in ep 1?


I remember, it's just that it may not be so obvious since it was the first time. No one mentioning this also made me question if it was just me who looked for the differences before and after the ride.
Jan 27, 2018 7:19 PM

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Mitsuru had it coming, that was a satisfying ending following the NTR twist and his shit/pretentious ego.

I really like how we get a narrative of Hiro's thoughts, he put the safety of the others over his + 02s desires. The compromise reflects how he may very well become the leader. Guess we wait another week for "darling" to get in the Franxx.
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Jan 27, 2018 7:36 PM

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I hate to butt in on this conversation but...

Hiro could have piloted that mech IF he really wanted to, he just didn't want to bad enough. His lack of confidence and his inability to make a decision is the reason why he's not allowed to pilot a mech, not because of things he had no control over.

"But he's trying! He's trying really hard!"

THE HELL HE IS! If he'd had been out there alone facing all those creatures he could have easily defeated them instead of begging for help all the time! The fact is he almost got his friends killed because of his incompetence and he almost sent another to his death(possibly) just to prove a point. So let me ask you, who's really the selfish asshole so far in this series?

Trying doesn't get it done no matter what excuse you give. You either do it or you don't. There is No. Middle. Ground. And if Hiro says that he didn't want his friends to die in the next episode I'm going to say that he's a straight up liar.

I'm sorry to say this but I have to go with the side who says that Hiro is both a wimp and a coward. He's the reason for what's holding this series back right now and that better change in the next few episodes.
"You talk too much. Think too much."
"I don't care how justified you think your reasons are. I won't tolerate liars or thieves."
"If you're not going to be nice to me, don't expect me to be nice to you."
"I'm a soldier, not a superhero. Don't ever think of me as one."
"The world doesn't revolve around you. Get that through your thick skull."
"People who live by their emotions go nowhere in their lives. They only find misery.
"If you don't like the way your life is than do something about it instead of sitting there feeling sorry for yourself."
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Jan 27, 2018 7:46 PM
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Hiro remind me of MC in Ano Hi Mita Hana.

A kid who was to be a leader of his group but as he grows up, fall short of the expectation and somehow lose all of his confidence.

Though when we watch mecha anime, this is not what we are looking for in an MC.

They might trying to emulate TTGL formula.
From weak Simon to Badass Simon (he is also get cucked by his Aniki). I will give it benefit of doubt and hope it can at least come close to the awesomeness of TTGL
Jan 27, 2018 7:48 PM
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Wow, gone through all 6 pages of comments before me and thinking that you guys are all overthinking things.

Firstly, Ep 3 sets up for us on screen that any other partner with Zero Two would be majorly injured even after piloting once.

This follows nicely from Ep 1, which sets up that after Hiro found out he is unable to pilot (with his previous partner), he is proven wrong with Zero Two.

And then in Ep 2, which sets up that Hiro can't pilot with other people besides Zero Two even if he knows he is capable (unlike before Ep1) and has a strong desire to pilot.

I think this is the main message the author/director is giving out, (plot progression, anyone?)
all the sexual innuendos everyone is referring to are only for the readers/viewers to infer/imagine, it does not apply in-universe: Hiro and co are not even sexually enlightened in that respect as in they don't even know what kissing entails (as shown in Ep 1&2).

As for all this cuckold business:
1)Zero Two already rode with multiple partners since Ep1 (although they all died)
2)Hiro already rode with his previous partner before Ep1's attack
3)Hiro already rode with Ichigo in Ep2, plus Gorou does not appear to be mad about it or anything

so Mitsuru riding with Zero Two this episode is like a normal thing in their universe, like changing a co-driver, so-to-speak. It's more like a compatability thing for them.

The sexual innuendos are only or the viewers benefit, shipping or otherwise.
Jan 27, 2018 8:11 PM
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Every episode makes me love Tekkaden more and more from Iron-Blooded Orphans say what you will about Mari Okade but at least the characters she writes aren't spineless like little pussy like this kid Hiro whatever.
Jan 27, 2018 8:12 PM

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I er after watching felt the anime had something going for itself before watching episode 3. Howevepisode 3 im really dissapointed and have lost a lot of the hype i had for this anime. Just hope they can make it up in the next couple of episodes.
Jan 27, 2018 8:35 PM

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"Hiro did nothing wrong" is gonna be my saying till otherwise dude could not win in that situation So he took the L for the greater more logical outcome of saving his friends , will say if they had shown him knowing what was gonna happen to Mitsuru but still agreed for him to pilot it that'd be pretty fucked up.

Jan 27, 2018 8:48 PM

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good to see a new unlikable little shit nt lasting long...sigh MC however, like most MCs, is dumb
Jan 27, 2018 9:05 PM

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MC is determined to pilot again with Zero-two. You see him suggesting to pilot it, you see him training in a robot. Because unable to pilot means being dead. Go back to garden means to disappear and we know that could mean about disappearance. But the Higher ups aren't allowing him for who knows what reason probably because they're jack shit.

If disobeying orders is corwardice and being a wuss then you don't know the higher ups could punish him for that? He won't or never allow him to pilot anymore. At worse, they'll make him disappear. Zero can get a way with it because she's in a better position. I mean she can access restricted areas. Even if they both want to, they can't because guess who has authority of everything. They'll be stop before they can get in the pilot's seat.

If you guys can't stand Hiro. I suggest to drop this show right now. We are three out of twenty two episodes for Pete's sake.
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Jan 27, 2018 9:29 PM
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The only time where I got mad at the MC was on the ep 2, when he failed to link with Ichigo. I really wanted to see him beating the shit out of that annoying brat, also I felt really bad for Ichigo.

Said annoying brat (Zorome) earned my sympathy in this episode as he showed to be just a tsundere kid who really cares about his partner, also him and Miku are the duo who has the best interactions (they are the most funny and cute to watch), the best duo imo. The moment when Miku woke up from the attack and Zorome hugged her in relief was heartwarming to see

Won't discuss about Hiro's decision because everyone already said enough shit about it, but Mitsuru riding with Zero Two was something that needed to happen to show us a comprovation that only the right person (Hiro) can pilot with her and Mitsuru got what he deserved for being an ass.

I am liking all the characters so far and I won't complain about cliches if they are well placed, also as someone that really hates drama, I don't really thing the drama in this show is being so strong or forced as some ppl says, everything seems okay so far.
Jan 27, 2018 10:24 PM

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It's early, but it's interesting how my opinions of Mitsuru and Zorome flipped over the course of this episode. I still don't like Zorome because bullies aren't likable, but at least he seems to care about Miku. Mitsuru is the type of egotistical, self-centered ass who asks whether he's the problem and acts like he's concerned about others all while believing others are the problem. Both Zorome and Mitsuru can be whitewashed down the road, but of the two I view Mitsuru's personality problems as being more deeply rooted.

Look, it's tough to say that this episode didn't provide content, but I really hope it doesn't drag out Hiro being inactive for too long. This should change soon, because now the higher ups are aware of how inadequate the squad is and how no one other than Hiro can team with 02. That said, Hiro has a confidence problem and he really, really needs to fix it. He doesn't even need to try to dominate the squad; it is unnerving that he lets Zorome and Mitsuru step all over him.

Right now there are a number of plotlines/themes:
1. Humanity's battle with kyouryuu
2. Decaying/hollowing society and rigid social structure
3. Hiro's self-doubt, development with 02, and relationship to everyone on the squad
4. Gorou and Ichigo's relationship

Of those I think the last is the most interesting sleeper. I think Gorou, Ichigo, and Hiro haven't had concept of what love is, but it's clear that Hiro will see 02 as his salvation and grow closer toward her. There might be even a subplot of Hiro conflicting over whether he likes or just needs 02. But unquestionably Ichigo will only become more distracted as she sees Hiro gravitate toward 02, and at some point she will probably come to terms with her feelings. At that point, could she really work with Gorou, as in, will she still be able to sync with Gorou? We know you don't need to be romantically involved to partner up (in fact, with exceptions like 02, not being romantically involved might be a requirement, which explains why pilots are kids and are completely oblivious as to intimacy). But what if Ichigo actually falls in love with Hiro? We already saw how she lost sync just by thinking about Hiro so it's entirely possible that Ichigo becomes incapable as a pistil later on, which will very ironically be an inverse of Hiro's path.

I will praise this series for drawing a lot of characters' emotions and personalities out. It's rare to see a series give characters substance and actual conflict.

Spineless? Hiro clearly said that he was willing to ride with 02 even if he would die when Gorou warned him this episode. He would ride with 02 if given the option to. But it's clear given the situation he had to let go of his own ego. Do you people even pay attention?

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Jan 27, 2018 10:30 PM

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Zorome actually acted like a decent person this time.

But Mitsuru acted like a total asshole. Well, he paid the price for his arrogance.

I'm glad to see, that Zero Two isn't resentful and still likes Hiro. And she doesn't give a shit about Mitsuru. Hopefully, the higher-ups will now get it into their heads, that they have to allow Hiro to be Zero Two's partner.
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Jan 27, 2018 10:45 PM

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DirectorK said:
Hiro could have piloted that mech IF he really wanted to, he just didn't want to bad enough.


Would you mind explaining how you arrived at this conclusion? Both of his superiors made very clear that they don't care about what Hiro wants, following orders comes first. What exactly would have happened if he "wanted more"? He would be able to convince his superiors to disobey military protocol through sheer charisma? He and Zero Two would somehow steal Strelizia from a facility full of older and stronger soldiers?

DirectorK said:
Trying doesn't get it done no matter what excuse you give. You either do it or you don't. There is No. Middle. Ground.


Thanks for the lesson, master Yoda. But in a world where the Force doesn't exist, you can put 120% of your effort into something and still not get what you wanted because reality decided to throw a curveball at you. It's not a matter of doing it or not, it couldn't be done. Again, Hiro didn't get to pilot because his superiors wouldn't allow it, nothing more.
Jan 27, 2018 10:57 PM
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Hiro didn't have the balls to pilot the robot today which is a shame, Mitsuru paid the price and got royally fucked up.
there superiors won't let him pilot with zere two he atcually want to pilot he even said its the only reason he exists
Jan 27, 2018 11:04 PM
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If there's someone who deserved to have shit thrown at his face in this ep, this one is Mitsuru, but "everyone" is more concerned about the MC not being an alpha male badass character, while he actually did nothing wrong.

I swear some ppl here is not watching the same show as I am.

Jan 27, 2018 11:21 PM
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Honestly, I don't know why I even read the topics on this show so early on. So many people are judging it as if the 24th episode's final battle has already played out, and the second season was announced.

Chill, people. Plot twists can't happen if the plot hasn't been established yet.
Jan 27, 2018 11:24 PM

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Think of it this way. If Hiro were in a real life military, what do you think would happen if a trainee/cadet tried to force his way into the pilot's seat of an assault helicopter in a similar situation where lives were on the line? Don't forget, he has nothing like a license, certification, graduation or authorization and his only battle experience is in simulators. Still want to bitch about his "choice"?

In RL, he might even have a decent chance at not being shot before he was restrained, so long as he didn't make any physically aggressive movements. In a species survival setting like this world however, he would most likely be simply taken down, and by deadly force if deemed expedient. Not "necessary". If it make things simpler for those in charge, he would be dead. That's the way I would imagine a military in a desolate world run by a hologram in a gasmask would color their policies. No room for kinder-and-gentler when hoards of giant blue balls (!!Found the sexually symbolic origins of the monsters!!) with teeth are trying to devour the human race.

There have been several hints that Hiro is uniquely special in some way (my guess is genetics,) so the higher ups may also prioritize Hiro's safety over the rest of the team. I've got a feeling that "genetic level attraction/compatibility" between 02/16 is going to be a major element in this story, in addition to all the flamebait symbolism of overt/aggressive sexuality and gender. Heck, the plugsuits are color coded by gender even. lol Thinking about it, doesn't the usage of the terminology of "stamen/pistil" reinforce biological/genetic gender while simultaneously removing every emotional/spiritual aspect of humanity from the equation?

Kinda wondering if 16 coming out OK after riding w/ 02 is like someone surviving a car wreck unscathed because they were drunk. Would be hilarious if it turned out he's not actually anything special, because then he'd have to get knocked out and tossed into 02's cockpit before every fight. This is a joke. I hope.
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Jan 27, 2018 11:25 PM

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People hating Hiro bec. he doesn't want to ride 02 on an emergency...but people forget that the last time Hiro ride a mech...it didn't work out...so the best choice is for him to let other guy ride with her.......he forgot about the partner killer though since he didn't really get hurt when he ride with 02 for the first time

Jan 27, 2018 11:39 PM

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JGChaves said:
Would you mind explaining how you arrived at this conclusion? Both of his superiors made very clear that they don't care about what Hiro wants, following orders comes first. What exactly would have happened if he "wanted more"? He would be able to convince his superiors to disobey military protocol through sheer charisma? He and Zero Two would somehow steal Strelizia from a facility full of older and stronger soldiers?

Yeah, you want to know why? It's because Hiro is both incompetent and unreliable. It's no wonder everyone treats him like shit. In a combat situation where you could die at any moment, you can't have someone on your team who's caught up in their own personal dilemmas. That's what gets people pointlessly killed.

I'm not blaming his superiors for their decision, I would have done the same in their shoes. In addition I would have ordered Mitsuru to take Hiro's place instead of letting Hiro make that call. What Zero-Two wants doesn't matter. My pilots are in danger and they need help. I'm not going to let a crybaby make that decision.

If Hiro had simply said, "Sir! Please let me go in with Strelizia. They need help and we're the only ones who can do it!" and he said with complete sincerity, honesty, and determination, I wouldn't be here complaining. Instead he just stands there like an idiot and lets someone else to take his place, knowing full well of the consequences and saying/doing nothing to prevent it. If Mitsuru had died I would have shot Hiro personally. I wouldn't care if he was a teenager.

Thanks for the lesson, master Yoda. But in a world where the Force doesn't exist, you can put 120% of your effort into something and still not get what you wanted because reality decided to throw a curveball at you. It's not a matter of doing it or not, it couldn't be done. Again, Hiro didn't get to pilot because his superiors wouldn't allow it, nothing more.

What's Star Wars or the Force got to with it? This is common sense! This is what being a soldier and grown up is all about! And bullshit it couldn't be done! All Hiro had to do was man up and stop being a pussy. It's his own damn fault he got stuck in that situation. And since we're on the subject of quotes, how about I use one from the movie Patton.

"An army is a team. It lives, sleeps, fights as a team. This individuality stuff is a bunch of crap!

This isn't about who's right and who's wrong or who's the asshole and who isn't. Hell, this isn't even about protocol. It's about duty. In any military organization you have duty to the men, of in this case the pilots, beside you and those that are under you. Your duty is doing what needs to be done and doing the right thing. All I've seen Hiro do so far and whine and complain that he can't pilot a mech like some selfish brat who can't have his favorite toy.
DirectorKJan 27, 2018 11:47 PM
"You talk too much. Think too much."
"I don't care how justified you think your reasons are. I won't tolerate liars or thieves."
"If you're not going to be nice to me, don't expect me to be nice to you."
"I'm a soldier, not a superhero. Don't ever think of me as one."
"The world doesn't revolve around you. Get that through your thick skull."
"People who live by their emotions go nowhere in their lives. They only find misery.
"If you don't like the way your life is than do something about it instead of sitting there feeling sorry for yourself."
"You want something go get it. Period."
Jan 28, 2018 12:06 AM

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Omg hiro , why dont you fucking go pilot the thing , you let mitsuru pilot with 02. But well i like to see him bleeding i hope he learn his lesson
Shame i cant see 02 in doggy style yet XD
Jan 28, 2018 12:40 AM
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God i am just not interested in anything in this show so far. Not enough about the world or the klaxosaurs has been presented to me to feel the stakes are high or to care about whats happening. I can compare these robots to the awkwardness of highschool in that theres weird sexual tension and relationships everywhere and people have made it out to be such an important thing to do; these kids feel theyre nothing if not pilots BUT WHY? There needs to be some sort of antag or problem driving the story instead of just having these kids boiling in their own social situations with no goals at all. Im not planning on dropping because i still feel a little bit of potential, but come on, pick up a bit please.
Jan 28, 2018 12:45 AM

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DirectorK said:

Yeah, you want to know why? It's because Hiro is both incompetent and unreliable. It's no wonder everyone treats him like shit. In a combat situation where you could die at any moment, you can't have someone on your team who's caught up in their own personal dilemmas. That's what gets people pointlessly killed.


Hiro isn't on the team. He was allowed to stay because the higher-ups want to know if he has something special or not, but he isn't on the same team as the other kids for the simple fact that he isn't an official pilot. It's the entire reason he isn't allowed to go out with them in first place.

DirectorK said:

If Hiro had simply said, "Sir! Please let me go in with Strelizia. They need help and we're the only ones who can do it!" and he said with complete sincerity, honesty, and determination, I wouldn't be here complaining. Instead he just stands there like an idiot and lets someone else to take his place, knowing full well of the consequences and saying/doing nothing to prevent it. If Mitsuru had died I would have shot Hiro personally. I wouldn't care if he was a teenager.


If the consequences you are talking about is Mitsuru's possibly dying, I fail to see why is Hiro the one at fault. Every single person in that room knew about Zero Two's "partner killer" reputation. Mitsuru himself heard about it and offered to partner with her anyway. Also, while it would make sense for the kids to deny it as nothing but a rumour, the adults know full well that it's true and still allowed him to do it. And you just agreed with their decision, so why should Hiro be blamed for that? It's okay for the adults to send Mitsuru to his possible death to save the rest of the team but it's not okay for Hiro to let Mitsuru walk into his possible death to save the rest of the team, even though he wouldn't be able to stop it anyway? That is like saying that if someone doesn't try to do the right thing even when there is no logical chance of actually achieving anything, then he is a "bad person".

DirectorK said:
And bullshit it couldn't be done! All Hiro had to do was man up and stop being a pussy. It's his own damn fault he got stuck in that situation.


Except that you just agreed with the decisions of his superiors and claimed you would have done the same if you were in their shoes. In other words, you just agreed that Hiro wouldn't have got to pilot Strelizia no matter what he wanted or what he said. If you insist that he could have done it, I have to ask you again to explain to me how. And why it's his fault that his superiors decided that allowing the guy who failed the test to become a pilot to actually pilot would be a bad idea?

DirectorK said:

This isn't about who's right and who's wrong or who's the asshole and who isn't. Hell, this isn't even about protocol. It's about duty. In any military organization you have duty to the men, of in this case the pilots, beside you and those that are under you. Your duty is doing what needs to be done and doing the right thing. All I've seen Hiro do so far and whine and complain that he can't pilot a mech like some selfish brat who can't have his favorite toy.


First, you are the one who called any of the characters an asshole, not me. Second, Hiro's issues are not interfering with his duty as a soldier. I'm sure you are tired of hearing (OK, reading) this, but he failed the test to become a pilot. His superiors told him to wait until they figure out what to do with him, and he is doing just that. While using his free time to train, despite your insistence that he isn't trying for real. Plus, he isn't actually complaining about not being allowed into a mecha. We can hear his inner monologues, but the other characters can't. The only time he tried to convince his superiors to allow him to pilot after being told he can't was when his friends were in danger. Through the rest of those 3 episodes he accepted the orders given to him even if he personally didn't like them like a soldier/cadet is expected to.

You seem to be trying to argue that because Hiro has self confidence issues he can't fulfill his duties or put the life of his teammates above his own needs, but there is plenty of evidence on the contrary.
JGChavesJan 28, 2018 12:49 AM
Jan 28, 2018 1:02 AM

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Seems like everyone is letting the sex metaphors confuse themselves into thinking Hiro got cucked lol. They’re just piloting mechs. Chill out guys. It’s actually a good thing this happened. Now everyone can clearly see why Hiro should be the only one to pair with 02.
Jan 28, 2018 1:30 AM

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Please, could you already let Hiro pilot with Zero Two next episode?!!!! this is already getting dragged quite a bit. let's move on to epic mecha battle that everyone is here for.

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Jan 28, 2018 2:12 AM

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JGChaves said:
Hiro isn't on the team. He was allowed to stay because the higher-ups want to know if he has something special or not, but he isn't on the same team as the other kids for the simple fact that he isn't an official pilot. It's the entire reason he isn't allowed to go out with them in first place.

Of course he's not on the team! For the very reasons I stated above!

If the consequences you are talking about is Mitsuru's possibly dying, I fail to see why is Hiro the one at fault. Every single person in that room knew about Zero Two's "partner killer" reputation. Mitsuru himself heard about it and offered to partner with her anyway. Also, while it would make sense for the kids to deny it as nothing but a rumour, the adults know full well that it's true and still allowed him to do it. And you just agreed with their decision, so why should Hiro be blamed for that? It's okay for the adults to send Mitsuru to his possible death to save the rest of the team but it's not okay for Hiro to let Mitsuru walk into his possible death to save the rest of the team, even though he wouldn't be able to stop it anyway? That is like saying that if someone doesn't try to do the right thing even when there is no logical chance of actually achieving anything, then he is a "bad person".

Except that you just agreed with the decisions of his superiors and claimed you would have done the same if you were in their shoes. In other words, you just agreed that Hiro wouldn't have got to pilot Strelizia no matter what he wanted or what he said. If you insist that he could have done it, I have to ask you again to explain to me how. And why it's his fault that his superiors decided that allowing the guy who failed the test to become a pilot to actually pilot would be a bad idea?

Let me make this simple then.

If I was Hiro I would not sit still and watch as my fellow pilots face impending doom while the higher ups are deciding what to do with me. I would be in their face demanding to get out there so I can help, even if it costs me my life. I also wouldn't allow any other pilot to team up with Two-Zero with all the rumors surrounding her. That's a risk I should take alone without endangering another. It doesn't matter how I feel about them or what they feel about me. The last thing I would want is for the unit to have to find a suitable replacement while I carry the guilt of knowing that I could have prevented that from happening.

If I was the commanding officer in charge I would give Hiro every opportunity to prove himself worthy of piloting a mech. Test results be damned! It's the ability to what's necessary that counts, not what test scores says. Once you're on the real battlefield whatever test scores you have goes out the fucking window.

First, you are the one who called any of the characters an asshole, not me. Second, Hiro's issues are not interfering with his duty as a soldier. I'm sure you are tired of hearing (OK, reading) this, but he failed the test to become a pilot. His superiors told him to wait until they figure out what to do with him, and he is doing just that. While using his free time to train, despite your insistence that he isn't trying for real. Plus, he isn't actually complaining about not being allowed into a mecha. We can hear his inner monologues, but the other characters can't. The only time he tried to convince his superiors to allow him to pilot after being told he can't was when his friends were in danger. Through the rest of those 3 episodes he accepted the orders given to him even if he personally didn't like them like a soldier/cadet is expected to.

When did I actually call you an asshole?

I'm sorry, but you're proving my point here when it's fairly obvious. Hiro is going through some kind of identity crises and it's interfering with his ability to do his job. He's letting his emotions get the better of him and that alone is bad. You can't emotional people in a armed military unit, it never ends well. Hiro following orders? More like him letting himself get bullied by both his superiors and his fellow pilots simply he can't make a decision or stand up for himself. No matter how you look at it Hiro is just a coward who needs to grow up. Or better yet, he needs a proper teacher that can make him grow up.

You seem to be trying to argue that because Hiro has self confidence issues he can't fulfill his duties or put the life of his teammates above his own needs, but there is plenty of evidence on the contrary.

Oh yeah? I'll believe when I see it.
"You talk too much. Think too much."
"I don't care how justified you think your reasons are. I won't tolerate liars or thieves."
"If you're not going to be nice to me, don't expect me to be nice to you."
"I'm a soldier, not a superhero. Don't ever think of me as one."
"The world doesn't revolve around you. Get that through your thick skull."
"People who live by their emotions go nowhere in their lives. They only find misery.
"If you don't like the way your life is than do something about it instead of sitting there feeling sorry for yourself."
"You want something go get it. Period."
Jan 28, 2018 2:21 AM

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Well. That was quite a pain to see Mitsuru


Despite the amount of drama is throwing in, it's slowly got me bored of it throughout the episode, considering I still have patients when will the plot kicks in. I do have hope for it but it is less likely people will drop it for a reasons. Although 'Darling in the FranXX' had slowly kept the edge of my seat and for a fact, I was finding this to be intriguing after all.

Aside from that, I get quite worried with Hiro, even they won't allow him to ride with Zero Two and then yeah, at the result. It was kind of pitiful. Me: Of course, Mitsuru. You were a dickhead from the start anyway. That's my opinion by the way cause I suddenly dislike him so I don't know why but I'll stop disliking him whenever the problem is clear.
And there is Mitsuru who volunteered to ride with Zero Two... I mean to be honest, I almost got mad about it, Hiro was told he isn't official yet so that's what frustrate me and it seem like it matters.

Apart from that, I was kinda eager to see the relationship between Hiro and Zero Two but it was fun for me to watch. Though, I like it. I ain't tired of it, I want to see more of it.

It is ashamed to see people are about to drop it cause what I see is they're impatient which they're TIRED of the drama at the moment, yes it is 24 episodes and long to wait for the plot to kick in and once it happens. You'll push your chair towards the screen or using a super glue on a seat so you could be stuck and keep watching it so you won't be bored . Here's what I'm going say to you people:

Jan 28, 2018 2:22 AM
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After this episode. If Zero Two is an abomination, all those other characters are worse than her, they are more miserable ones. She can pass through via S sec.cle, but her darling can't and Hiro said that 'first time seeing the city'; in other words; lab rats. I am expecting that Hiro and Zero Two will run away together at one point and become rebellious bad guys or heroes.

Who the heck is the papa?
And I am expecting to see more about other 'in the shadow' possible characters; Zero One, Zero Three, Zero X... I am just guessing; they might not be existing.


Papa is the old robot / human you see in the first episode.
Jan 28, 2018 2:34 AM

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Putting series itself aside it amazes me how the hell did people start using beta male as a derogatory term for the weakest and least important characters when it should be omega. Betas are second in hierarchy, it's not a bad deal.

In this series that annoying MC used to be alpha and now is omega, beta is probably the guy in glasses paired with Ichigo.
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Jan 28, 2018 3:13 AM

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When it comes to the end I know I'm not gonna rate this very highly, probably average; like a 7.

But I'm loving though, well... Everything except the retarded mechanics, they ain't mechanics eight. They seem more like what you'd get in evangelion, some sort of biolifefrom (what is with those facial features... What the...)
Jan 28, 2018 3:20 AM

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Great episode. Zero two is still the best girl. Aside from the MC the whole cast is full of interesting characters. Will definitely be continuing the series.
Jan 28, 2018 3:24 AM

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In my opinion, Hiro is a trashMC at the moment.
But well he has 21 episodes to developed. It will be even worse if this anime didn't have any characters development. And at least with Hiro being like this, there is a chance for character development later on.

While I get why he decide to let Mitsuru ride with 02, I still kinda hate him for easily give up when the higher up told him no. He even has 02 backing him up, he could at least persuade the higher up more, even if it ended up being another no answer.
it can't be hurt to have a little rebelious side.
02 clearly said she want to ride with him, why not try to persuade more for her sake too.

Well. I just hope he and all his shitty friends will change as the series goes on.
Jan 28, 2018 3:53 AM

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I thought this was actually a great episode. lol.
I do think Hiro is the traditional emo MC tho, but hopefully the melodrama within will soon be over.

I am curious about the whole "we are just trained to ride robots, no clue about the real world" development. Might be interesting if some big reveals will eventually happen.
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Jan 28, 2018 4:34 AM

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It was a good episode, I'm a little disapointed that Hiro didn't pilot with 02 but it was the good choice to make.

Let's hope the rest of development will not take long and start the story in depth.

And from I read, the MC just questionning himself and see answers through 02. He's not a "cuckold" (or whatever people named him), he just need a reason to live, which Ichigo tried to open his eyes. I see Hiro like I see Chise in Mahou Tsukai, this is characters who need to affirm themselves.

I hope the next episode they will gear up the narration.
Jan 28, 2018 5:51 AM
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IT'S AN ANGEL-RU!!!!!!!!!



i love how this anime has such a strong evangelion vibe. zero two is best girl of the season already idgaf
Jan 28, 2018 5:58 AM

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WhaleCostume said:
Seems like everyone is letting the sex metaphors confuse themselves into thinking Hiro got cucked lol. They’re just piloting mechs. Chill out guys. It’s actually a good thing this happened. Now everyone can clearly see why Hiro should be the only one to pair with 02.


We've already seen that Zero Two's partners get fucked up and Hiro is the only one who can pilot with her when episode 1 showed her previous partner severely hurt after piloting with her, while Hiro piloted and nothing of the sort happened to him. We didn't need another episode just to confirm what was already painfully obvious, it was pointless.
Jan 28, 2018 6:15 AM

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TurboAutist said:
WhaleCostume said:
Seems like everyone is letting the sex metaphors confuse themselves into thinking Hiro got cucked lol. They’re just piloting mechs. Chill out guys. It’s actually a good thing this happened. Now everyone can clearly see why Hiro should be the only one to pair with 02.


We've already seen that Zero Two's partners get fucked up and Hiro is the only one who can pilot with her when episode 1 showed her previous partner severely hurt after piloting with her, while Hiro piloted and nothing of the sort happened to him. We didn't need another episode just to confirm what was already painfully obvious, it was pointless.


Pointless ? This episode is about the relationship between Mitsuru and Hiro, which is clear that Mitsuru have self obsessed to Hiro. And that's actually pretty disgusting. He clearly deserved to hurt because being a douche bag .
Jan 28, 2018 6:24 AM

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Pointless ? This episode is about the relationship between Mitsuru and Hiro, which is clear that Mitsuru have self obsessed to Hiro. And that's actually pretty disgusting. He clearly deserved to hurt because being a douche bag .


I'm not denying Mitsuru got what he deserved, he was a douchebag. But that's, like, the second time in a row someone from the team gets obsessed with Hiro and acts as a your average rival character towards him. Are they planning to make all the characters into unlikeable assholes just so Hiro can develop at their expense?
Jan 28, 2018 6:27 AM
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I liked this episode but I just hate the MC if he gonna be weak and useless and get stronger slowly I will drop this

Zero two is awesome it felt good when mitsuru got wrecked for saying that
Jan 28, 2018 6:46 AM

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lord23 said:
Every episode makes me love Tekkaden more and more from Iron-Blooded Orphans say what you will about Mari Okade but at least the characters she writes aren't spineless like little pussy like this kid Hiro whatever.

You know that she worked on AnoHana and Kiznaiver too right? The MC in the first one is similar to Hiiro too (not only in appearance).

Honestly I'd take a Hiiro over a Inaho everyday. Not to mention that Hiiro isn't even that bad. Come on if he was a whimp he'd have already tried to escape a few times (hey Shinji), instead he asked to go out and fight.
I question people ideas of good MCs sometimes..There are other 20 episodes, let's talk about it later.
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Jan 28, 2018 7:56 AM

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I love how Hiro is reverse Shinji. Shinji did not wanted to enter the fucking robot, meanwhile Hiro really wants to enter the fucking robot (fucking here maybe have another meaning). Well, if Shinji's robot had that nice of a...ahem...view I guess he would change his mind, even his dad would want to pilot it lol
Jokes aside, at least he wants to do something. I can think of some reasons of why he did let the other guy go: 1) If his friends died while he was throwing a tantrum that would be way worse on him. 2) He was raised in a really recluse environment and he is used to take orders 3) He doesn't have the confidence. Probably a mix of all this.
Zero Two is also interesting, she is super powerful, but she is not free to do wherever she wants. If there was someone that I thought would go against orders were her. I guess in the end she just wants to ride her darling (wink wink) not really save other people.

They even made a movie about Zero Two:

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Jan 28, 2018 8:04 AM

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I consider Mitsuru and Ichigo to be the most annoying characters in this anime. Also Hiro, what a boring MC. Zero two is way more interesting though.

I want to see Hiro piloting with Zero 2 again, isn't that what he wants too?
Jan 28, 2018 8:39 AM
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ㄴif you think about it for a little bit, you could see that hiro made the best possible decision he could make.
As far as I can see, there were four possible decisions he could make.
A) the decision he made in the episode, which was to ask zero two to let mitsuru pilot with her.

B) repeatedly asking his superiors to let him pilot

C) try to go in that other mech with okuna (i think that's her name?)

D) suggest that mitsuru and his pilot should try to connect again

E) do nothing

F) have zero two sortie out herself

If he chose option E) they would have wasted a lot of time as zero two would have been adamant about hiro partnering with her and it would have taken a lot of time or would have been nearly impossible to convince her otherwise. And as you can see in the episode, if strelizia(sorry for the horrible spelling) had been even a minute late, ichigo and goro would have died and probably the others as well.

C) is out of the question as well as D) for the time it would take e and the uncertainty of failing to connect.

Option B) is also a horrible choice because first, it would take time, time they did not have. Second, he might be put down or at least penalized for refuting orders from above.

F) is the worst possible decision as it doesn't even have the certainty of victory, thus unnecessarily risking another mech and an elite pilot while also time cinsuming as they would have to convince said pilot to sortie out herself.

When you weigh the outcomes from all the possible choices, b,c,d,e would have let to the loss of six pilots and three mechs. F) puts another mech at risk while still leaving the other pilots to die. While A) would have resulted in the evacuation of those mechs and pilots and destruction of the opposing force at the cost of a possible rift between a pilot pair and an unofficial pilot pair. It is clearly obvious that a) is the most favorable result.

The orders from the top to not let zero two have her way is also logical. They would be giving zero two too much leeway which she will definitely take advantage of. They will set a precedence of ignoring protocol at an emergency situation that could damage the chain of command and that leads to a lot more danage than some mechs and pilots.

This isn't your gundam seed where you can ignore orders and go off scott free. While they may not be that fun to watch for most viewers, pilots like hiro and shinji ikari are the best as they can be trusted to follow orders from their supperiors(who know a lot more and are smarter) and are thus reliable soldiers.

I hope this stops the comments that say that hiro should have insisted on piloting.
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It is really disgusting how people tend to hate a show or a character just because they are not made likable, that's the point of the character, not everyone is going to be a Kamina, a Kirei or a Iskander.

Yes, the plot basically cucked the guy (and yes, the point is a metaphor for sex), but that's the point, to explore what can happen, the good and bad things, if the guy gets in the robot, kill all the monsters and F*ck all the bitches since episode 3 we are going to be left without Character development and the next 19 episodes are going to be what? (anyone remember Aldnoah zero? where the MC got so OP that the premise of the show became a joke)

I like Mitsuru's character, he is obssesed with Hiro, is not plain envy like Zorome, and he has compability problems with her, the guy might even be gay
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Jan 28, 2018 9:07 AM

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Some members are claiming Hiro is weak, but at least he is getting what he wants; The other male characters are not compatible enough with Zero Two. They will either let Hiro/Zero Two duo to ride together or some desperate situations will force them, otherwise the whole squad is goner soon; none of them show the initiative willpower for tatakai!

They should get some inspirations from Majestic Prince.

I want to see the life-sucker process of Zero Two's machine. I bet, it would be a naughty one.
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Wow.
Glad this show proved me wrong from the last episode.
I was at a giant loss of hope beforehand because imo Episode 2 kinda sucked, especially in comparison to Episode 1.
Granted, it did illustrate how fatal a one-sided relationship could be in regards to FranXX piloting and why 02 and Hiro /need/ to Pilot together.
But y'know... This episode kinda did the exact same thing by fucking up Mitsuru for piloting with 02.
Ontop of that message, we got another Claxosaur fight with levels of brutality comparible to something like Grimgar of Fantasy and Ash's Gob Fights.
We also got a look at the city's beautiful, yet sad nature and more scenes of Hiro2 (My non official shipname).
Zerome and Miku are starting to grow on me. I HATED Zerome in the last few episodes, but he seems like more of a cinnamon roll that's a tad overbaked when around Miku.
I really liked Goro, actually, despite not seeing much of him in the last few episodes. I can see why him and Ichigo would work well.
Speaking of Ichigo... I feel really bad for her with how her connection with Hiro went.
And, of course, we can't forget about Mrs Flagship Character herself, 02.
God, if there was just a show with her doing crazy shit, I'd watch it.
Jan 28, 2018 9:57 AM

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I really didn't like this episode. They're following every god damn bad cliche of character relationship, from love triangules to old rivals competition. If this shows continues to be like that, it will be a total disaster
Jan 28, 2018 9:59 AM

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Zero 2 kissed Mitsuru? If not, the fact of having piloted Strelitzia with him is also unacceptable. I still think I'll regret watching this series... But I'm curious about the next episode.
Jan 28, 2018 10:23 AM

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Talking about MC, i dont think he's near as bad as Shinji.
Jan 28, 2018 10:43 AM
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Btw, it's not that Hiro forgot about the colateral effects that a non compatible with 02 pilot suffers, the thing is that he was still not convince at all as it was showed on his dialog with Gorou when he tries to stop Hiro from asking to ride with 02 again and he says "nah, that's just a rumor", also in the end of the episode when he saw what happened to the other guy (that I never remember the name) and thinks like "that was the proof I needed".
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