Basic Game V6: Kitty Mafia | Game End - Mafia Win!

logic340 said:
Is there anyone who thinks that Grapefruit and I could be Town/Town? If we are in a T/T lynch leader situation then what do you think the scum are doing right now? I need an updated VC, but things are pretty divided and if Grape flips town then things are really messed up right now from my PoV.

I want people's opinion on Crossbell this game.

PentaFlare said:

On the contrary, I would only like to lynch one of logic or grape today. They are both very competent players, but getting a flip from either of them would put me very close to having a full gamesolve. They are the key and I think it is more likely that logic is scum than grape.

Who do you believe is the most questionable person? I am not finding many people who are overtly scummy, but a fair number that are very neutral which gets more and more concerning as the game goes longer.

logic340 said:
So when I flip town does that mean you go straight at Grapefruit tomorrow? Is there any chance we are t/t in this situation and you are potentially setting up two mislynches here?

PentaFlare said:

I'm not closed to the possibility of you two being town/town. I personally think you are scum, but if you flip town, I won't immediately assume grape is scum. My first course of action no matter which of the two of you are lynched is going to be a very thorough VCA.

amberwillow said:
Well first off, I need to understand clearly what he meant.
Like we would have to vote between him and another suspicious person and if Denja dies flipping town then we would have to pursue his suspects? Do I get it right?
Well it depends on who is that other person. If that other person is someone I am suspicious of then sure. But if not then I don't want that, cuz rn I don't want to vote Denja and I don't want to vote someone who looks townish to me.
Also if Denja would flip town then ofc I'd take into account his suspects and if I am convinced that they are baddie then I'd vote them.

PentaFlare said:

You are forgetting me

DenjaX said:
It is hard to find either logic and Grape teammates if they were scum. They all seemed acted independently. When Claire stepped and to fake claim, logic and Grape were the most involved in to taking sides. A lot of people were just standing back, watching it go south. There are obviously mafia there.

I know they just stood there because Claire was the one pulling shenanigans which resulted her on the hot seat. If Penta is town, the obvious course of action for mafia is to let it break down itself like a domino. That is why I want to focus on people who just watches and force role claim if possible.

logic340 said:
So you had a very bad case against CP and now are about to mislynch me because you I defended you when I wasn't? I may need to take that town read away from you as you are not making much sense to me right now.

DenjaX said:
It is hard to find either logic and Grape teammates if they were scum. They all seemed acted independently. When Claire stepped and to fake claim, logic and Grape were the most involved in to taking sides. A lot of people were just standing back, watching it go south. There are obviously mafia there.

I know they just stood there because Claire was the one pulling shenanigans which resulted her on the hot seat. If Penta is town, the obvious course of action for mafia is to let it break down itself like a domino. That is why I want to focus on people who just watches and force role claim if possible.

DenjaX said:
So I think followind is town so

Vote: RE1031

This is OMGUS right now. I am just waiting for people just sitting on an easy vote so I can focus on them. He gave me the opportunity. Ill make sure to return in kind.

DenjaX said:
It is hard to find either logic and Grape teammates if they were scum. They all seemed acted independently. When Claire stepped and to fake claim, logic and Grape were the most involved in to taking sides. A lot of people were just standing back, watching it go south. There are obviously mafia there.

I know they just stood there because Claire was the one pulling shenanigans which resulted her on the hot seat. If Penta is town, the obvious course of action for mafia is to let it break down itself like a domino. That is why I want to focus on people who just watches and force role claim if possible.

DenjaX said:
I do not want to lynch logic and Grape today. They are cop target at most. They are useful to me so for practicality sake, I am not lynching either of them.

@PentaFlare are you even sure about your vote? There are still questionable people in the roster and you want to get rid of potential analysis juggernaut in the game?

I was actually supposed to go after Sollux but he rep out unfortunately. Shinichi seems to be jumping in the ocean without knowing the hazards. Possible helped by scumteam but ill not go after him for that.

RE1031 said:

Easy vote? I've been saying since the beginning of this day phase I would voting for you/Claire unless there was more evidence....
OMGUS on the other hand is the easiest vote there is.

RE1031 said:

I was not one of those people standing back. In fact, the majority of the people who were standing back are still standing back. So you can't use that as reasoning to justify the "town beating up town" theory.

PentaFlare said:

Would you like to explain to me how my case against CP was bad? You didn't do it during D1 so I'll gladly hear it now.

Also, defending me and attacking Claire are basically interchangeable and you can't deny you were attacking Claire. My point about you seeming closed off to looking into me still stands, particularly when you were pressuring grapefruit about not thinking about reads on players and only focusing on mechanics.

logic340 said:
@Grapefruit21, @PentaFlare, @_Claire_ I am not saying that CP isn't scum I am saying your cases boil down to a combination of resentment (Clarie and Grapefruit) and pro-town behavior (at least what it was classed in a previous game). I have a hard to buying that lynch right now and the fact that I can say 2 of the 3 feel spiteful instead of justified makes me more concerned about the train. I asked Claire to verify that CP's meta read on Grape was wrong and shading and she wouldn't do even going as far as to ask me to ask the question again in a post that she quoted said question. Like I really feel they are trying too hard.

I was dead to rights as scum and they couldn't get me because their arguments were flawed, tunneled too hard, though they could nail me for some BS that wasn't real (knowing Rosie's PR)., and had questionable behavior themselves. I am asking them to step back and be certain rather than lynching off emotion. Again it's weird to me that the two scum from the last game are leading the vote here do you guy think we rolled scum together again or something?

And with this I am out for a while. I may check in but posting will be minimal for a little while.

RE1031 said:
Oh but it so interesting you say that. Could they actually be both town? Wanting to redirect cop's attention away from, let's say, you?
Because if they really are both town, them being at each other's throats is popcorn and movies for scum. No need to lynch/kill them immediately.

PentaFlare said:
I'm going to be gone for most of the afternoon. I may be back before the phase change but I'm not actually sure. Either way, I'm happy enough with my vote. I want a flip from logic or grape because either of their alignments will be really useful for VCA and interaction analysis. However, I would prefer logic because I scumread logic more than grape.

PentaFlare said:
I'm going to be gone for most of the afternoon. I may be back before the phase change but I'm not actually sure. Either way, I'm happy enough with my vote. I want a flip from logic or grape because either of their alignments will be really useful for VCA and interaction analysis. However, I would prefer logic because I scumread logic more than grape.

PentaFlare said:

Would you like to explain to me how my case against CP was bad? You didn't do it during D1 so I'll gladly hear it now.

Also, defending me and attacking Claire are basically interchangeable and you can't deny you were attacking Claire. My point about you seeming closed off to looking into me still stands, particularly when you were pressuring grapefruit about not thinking about reads on players and only focusing on mechanics.

DenjaX said:
I know but I have this icky impression on you when I was catching up anyway. I am preparing some case for you. Also, there was no evidence to be found. There shouldn't be. Claire blundered and I am here to salvage something that may help town. Claire stopped keeping up with the shenanigans because she knew it would narrow down on who might be the remaining PR so it was a good call on her to step up.

There is a difference between standing back to watch and just sheer inactivity. I know I am town because I got the same role PM as Claire so I am just looking people going under the radar when sheet hit the fan. I am sure scum are there. That is why I was proposing this Gladiator duel because this is the part that I am certain about. I narrowed my scum pool and it is just a matter of confronting the suspects to gather more reads.

DenjaX said:
So I think followind is town so

Vote: RE1031

This is OMGUS right now. I am just waiting for people just sitting on an easy vote so I can focus on them. He gave me the opportunity. Ill make sure to return in kind.

PentaFlare said:

Crossbell fits that bill pretty well and his high on my list of priorities when doing the VCA I plan to do after we get a flip today.

DenjaX said:
I know but I have this icky impression on you when I was catching up anyway. I am preparing some case for you. Also, there was no evidence to be found. There shouldn't be. Claire blundered and I am here to salvage something that may help town. Claire stopped keeping up with the shenanigans because she knew it would narrow down on who might be the remaining PR so it was a good call on her to step up.


There is a difference between standing back to watch and just sheer inactivity. I know I am town because I got the same role PM as Claire so I am just looking people going under the radar when sheet hit the fan. I am sure scum are there. That is why I was proposing this Gladiator duel because this is the part that I am certain about. I narrowed my scum pool and it is just a matter of confronting the suspects to gather more reads.

grrr said:
Are we seriously not lynching logic today? Why don't you just vote someone. Please vote, I already played one game with no voters : ( .

DenjaX said:
Why don't we lynch you instead? Your train died rather fast Day 1.

logic340 said:
I would say follow and maybe willow were more under the radar during that time. follow for sure willow I would have to check on so don't quote me there.

DenjaX said:
That is the feel I get from them atm. At least I am not lynching them anytime soon. They talk a lot so a slip will become evident if they were scum. Redirect? I am pretty sure the cop investigated Claire. She was suspicious as hell Day 1. So either cop was inactive or just not playing to their optimal capabilities.

grrr said:
vote change: Re1016

I think I would rather lynch people who don't vote over 80% confirmed mafia.

RE1031 said:

You are willing to ignore current posts and rely on the possibility that they will "slip up" if they are mafia sometime in the future? They've talked lots already. No slip up so far, or at least nobody has caught one.
I have not seen a solid defense for Claire. And you've put yourself in a nice position - because no one can exactly claim that they investigated Claire without essentially instigating their death night 2.

grrr said:
Are we seriously not lynching logic today? Why don't you just vote someone. Please vote, I already played one game with no voters : ( .

DenjaX said:
So what if I want to go to that path? You weren't particularly taking a stance between the two either, hence, your vote against me instead. Are you even suspicious about them?

Of course I want to gather allies more than anything right now because I have no defence over Claire's actions. It is what it is and what's done is done. Lynching me for that can be considered shortsighted in the long run since my lynch yields no information at all besides my flip.

I even have a proposal if my slot would be impossible to redeem. It is a legit strategy so I am going with that if it comes to that.

amberwillow said:

I don't particulary like Cross' post about telling people to claim if they are an investigative role.

Crossbell said:
vv:

Crossbell
PentaFlare

v:

Grapefruit
Lam-B
RE1031

n:

Shinichi
Logic
amber
follow

s:
Denja?
grrr?

Pre-reread.

Logic, I remember you saying that you would compile a list of questions to me - is it possible that you can do that?

Gonna try to be here until deadline.

DenjaX said:
So what if I want to go to that path? You weren't particularly taking a stance between the two either, hence, your vote against me instead. Are you even suspicious about them?

RE1031 said:
Also, just want to add that my vote against you has NOTHING to do with Grape and Logic. You are main suspect, period. If it really does come down between Grape and Logic, then I will vote for one of them. Until then, my vote is on you.

DenjaX said:
I don't care if I get lynched today. It is true that I am vanilla townie so it is not kind of a big deal if I die.

DenjaX said:
I respect that.

Grapefruit said:
@Crossbell Even though we shouldn't ignore it ignore Claire and the push surrounding that slot for now. Who should we lynch? Who are your top 3 town reads?

Crossbell said:
Reading and this caught my eye.

Why do you not care if you die? If you're town here, we're not in a super good spot, and if you're town, then it's on you to defend yourself and make sure that you don't get lynched, since any additional mislynches puts us in an even WORSE spot.

DenjaX said:
@logic340
@Grapefruit21

Do you guys think that we should put our difference aside and have a makeshift alliance? I believe both of you are town.