| So I kind of ignored it because it is coming from a scum read of mine, and while I did read it my mind wasn't changed. As for why he'd do it, he's logic he is more dedicated to this game than the rest of us put together. Second his conclusions are very strange. Going to snip them all into one quote for everyone to see. logic340 said: CP>Logic Thoughts: Town-Town interactions. I tried to talk Grapefruit, Penta, and Claire off this train to no avail. CP was scum from the very beginning to Claire and close enough to it for Grapefruit that I cannot say their opinion was objective. Penta looks bad too but not as bad as the two who tried to salt lynch CP. CP>Claire Thoughts: Nearly making CP eat a salty lynch. I know Claire can be stubborn but this was on a whole other level. She would not listen to reason yesterday and her early game should have been called out by Grape for falling into his warning range. She relentlessly attacks CP for no reason and as pointed out she postured for her position in #120. The fake claim today just makes things even worse given her view on Town needing to "Step Up" all she did was hurt us if she is town. This is like Alcatraz all over again....with the fake claimingPR while only being a VT (??) which I still don't believe. The worst part here to me is the fact that they have the same inside information I do and still went completely against it while I asked her to reconsider. CP>Grape Thoughts: Nearly making CP eat a salty lynch. If this isn't scum Grapefruit then something needs to change and quickly. He discredited CP for pretty much the entrie phase, ignored others calls to reevaluate his stance, and campaigning this lynch to the points of moving his case to a more recent page. He set himself up in similar fashion as Claire to be trained on CP from early game, OMGUS voted CP based on CP's early game comments (??), and refused to listen to me about scum CP (who I just finished playing as scum with). The worst part here to me is the fact that someone with inside information was not even listened to a little bit. CP>Penta Thoughts: I was feeling really good here during and after the whole Claire thing but now after reading back I am not so sure. Penta is the first one to put a case out against CP. I was not a fan of how he wouldn't answer questions early, I am less of a fan of how he handled Grapefruit after Grape left him alone though he defied Grape's warning. CP>Amber Thoughts: Not a whole lot of alignment indicative posts between these two. The one think I noticed is willow nitpicking Rosie again but that's really about it. Wondering if this is playstyle or mafia looking for mislynches? CP>Cross Thoughts: Crossbell agrees with CP on a couple things. Notable Grapefruit's vote move yet town reads Grape and CP. Not syaign that one is town one is scum but CP and I made it clear this is not the Grape we are used to playing with, so why does Cross see it differently? Can't be sure if cross was playing the fence here or just not certain. CP>Sollux Thoughts: This is CP trying to figure out Sollux CP>Followind Thoughts: I follow along well with follow until he jumps from CP side to Claire's side and votes grrr. Maybe he was trying to buddy with CP IDK, I find these interactions hard to follow. CP>RE Thoughts: Like I have said RE is an interesting player but nothing from these interactions makes me see RE as scum CP>grrr Thoughts: This one confuses the shit out of me. Is he really just a town read as grrr says? Or is this scum "white knighting"? I think I believe the former but cannot overlook the latter need more information. CP>Lam Thoughts: Nothing much to talk about here. Lam seems to be neutral or a slight town lean. On Claire he pushes the idea that she isn't objective as proof she is scum. It makes no sense for scum!Claire to try and exact revenge for a previous game by immediately forcing through a mislynch. Plus this implies scum Claire after being unable to mislynch CP on D1 shot CP over night thus making herself look as bad as possible by proving her lynch target was scum. He also keeps harping on the idea that he looks so good for telling us that our cases are bad. His argument pretty much solely consisted of harping on the fact that we were salty and rarely engaged on a content level. And his response to me is more of the same and begging to earn credit for how right he was on CP and how wrong we were and deserve the lynch for it. He also suggests [url=https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1600569&show=450#msg50070707this post[/url] from me is a bad read on CorruptedPurity. CPurity may have flipped scum but that doesn't change the fact that I was correct that Purity reacted as if they thought Penta was real claiming. Maybe other parts In his conlusion on Penta he brings up the idea that I'm not following through on my early warning again. No one else has brought this up since Penta non posted for ages to see how I'd react. I think that saying I haven't is a load a fakery because I have been driving wagons, gathering opinions and forcing interaction and trying to make sure we have opinions from everyone to refer to. It's not like I haven't changed my style up at all after my warning. I even lynched Rosie in large part thanks to it. The biggest thing I don't love about this is the way he keeps tying himself to Purity. Yes he defended them, that doesn't necessarily make him town. He evens mentions the possibility of grrr white knighting. The vast majority of this game has been him defending or tying himself to Purity and pushing me and Claire as scum. So many assertions given as fact that I'm pushing an agenda based on salt without pausing to show any interest in what actions would be motivated by saltiness as scum vs as town. In short he has an unusually closed mind and is obsessed this game with tying himself to a dead town member and point to how scummy we are for not listening to him before the flip. Read logic's defenses before the flip, tell me that they are persuasive. I'll wait. Were my arugments 100% fool proof? Obviously not, but at least I was giving the effort to find evidence explain motivations and try to solve the game. Logic has just been loudly proclaiming since almost the beginning how wrong we are. And how bad we look for how wrong we are. It seems a lot easier for him to be that confident if he knew CorruptedPurity's alignment ahead of time. |
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DenjaX said: I was hell-bent on Claire's Lynch but now she's been replaced by the best town so I have things to consider. We're going to take our time and we're going to work through this together because I know how we do when we're both town. Sadly I cannot give you the benefit of the doubt at the moment. As far as a plan goes, I read the thread and try to determine who scum is, I leave the strategies and big plays to you. @logic340 I would like your input if I flip town, what would you do next? If you ever consider that I would flip town, have you considered the possibility of another strategy to play with using my situation? If you think I am scum, you know I would not be the only scum in this roster right? I want you to think about the long term strategy instead of short term goal (just lynching 1 scummy player). I know I have a plan in mind but I want to know first if you are just gonna be hellbent on my lynch this phase regardless on what I will say. If you flip town then I'd first look at Penta. Seeing as Claire never really made it clear if she scum read Penta and was trying to catch him or just using his as means to gain reactions. After that I'd look over your train and see who looks suspect in it. You said you could tell I was scum in Alcatraz what are your thoughts here so far? |
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amberwillow said: he did figure it out as a townie. She just made a similar play but this time the timing just didn't match. Being there on real time with her and Penta the chain of events was off in my opinion. She was being caused by Penta instead of saying Penta why did you visit CP right out the gate we get that weak defense before "oh fine I'll just come out with it...."_Claire_ said: Ok, it took me some time to realise what she meant here my brain didn't work at night lel. So thinking why would she say that with such certainity, I came to think that:uhm.. How about the fact that Logic was so sure I was lying..? It might be indicative, I dont know~ Mafia would know if she was lying if Penta is not scum If Penta is scum then mafia would be sure that she is not a tracker if Penta wasn't the one to make a kill. And we know that Logic was super convinced that she was lying. So if Claire/Denja really is a townie then it would put a shade on him. Hmm.. Logic said quite few times that Claire didn't fool him, and he would be 100% sure if he is mafioso and saying what he said, wouldn't make it believable/look like a good town move if he said that he figured it out from reading her? But he actually could have figured it out as townie too? x.x Here's a question what of the investigator has come forward before Claire said "I'm actually Vanilla" would people still be do willing to spare her today? |
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Grapefruit21 said: as I said before I'm having a hard time following follow. Going to have to look closer but you and Denja have both brought up good points. The vote on Sollux it's somewhat hypocritical which he noted in the post the vote was made in (he's similarly lurky and low content). The jump to grrrr day 1 is curious as well. Will need to take a deeper look and further discuss.@Sollux16 looking forward to the next time! @AnyoneWhoHappensToBeReading Thoughts on my exchange with Followind above? I have thoughts but want to hear other opinions without biasing them. Edit: thanks Amber Sollux16 said: I hope everything is well sir. It's always a pleasure and I look forward to playing with you again.Sorry friends, my schedule just isn't working for me to play this one. :( I'll try again some other time, but I'll make sure my schedule is actually fairly clear when that time comes. I look forward to playing with you all again in the (hopefully near) future. Maybe then I'll actually be able to show you all what I'm really made of instead of just being here off and on >:D |
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PentaFlare said: Reading this post reminded me that you also wrote this post.Alright, so I'm caught up and mentally in a better mindset to try and answer some of the questions that I've been asked. I might shift onto PC in a bit so I can write up some analysis on players A question I think I can answer now is about why I thought Purity was town during the night phase. One reason was the large post about NKA. My thought process for that goes like this: There are three main types of players when it comes to NKA, those who think about it with every kill, those who only use it for specific pieces of information, and those who never want to touch it. Purity was obviously in the first group, willing to put a lot of effort into NKA. A player like this who is playing scum would not likely right a long post like that in the thread. Instead, they would keep their NKA in mind when picking a kill and then bring it up as a point during D2. By making that big post overnight, Purity lost the ability to discuss it during D2 in any way they wanted which is what a scum player would want to keep available. That post had a town mindset. The other thing that tipped me off was their approach to scum hunting in the night phase. Some of their posts struck me as very genuine and they started looking deeply into players mindsets. The town vibes I was getting in the night phase were getting stronger than the scum tells from the first day phase. What that looked like to me was a player who is so used to playing scum that they had to get into the game a hit before they could settle into the right mindset. To put this all simply, Purity's approach to the game was gradually changing for the better and my read changed with it. PentaFlare said: What you say about Purity losing the ability to talk about the Night Kill is what you are doing right here. Is this that truth in plain sight I know you capable of doing and getting away with as mafia? Or are you just this damn good as town. I leaning towards the latter but that pocket is in the back of my mind.CorruptedPurity is a really smart kill. I was worried that was going to happen. They were an important suspect during Day 1 but they kept getting progressively more and more townie, including showing a few concrete town tells during the night phase. If left alone they likely would have been a widely accepted townread by the end of Day 2. At least one person on the scum team knows their way around picking a night kill. |
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Grapefruit21 said: You, followind, and I definitely need to take a closer look at RE.@logic340 let's pretend Denjax comes in and dazzles us with his towniness who are you looking at next? |
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Grapefruit21 said: @PentaFlare With the way the game just went to crap I think it's time for you to share your notes. Not influencing behaviour is valuable, but the extreme you're taking it to is hurting town. It's no longer that I don't want to share my notes, it is that I've had two busy school days in a row so I've been hurting for time to make nice posts compiling them. They are coming. |
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DenjaX said: DenjaX said: Actually, I will ask you the same thing for this @PentaFlarelogic340 I would like your input if I flip town, what would you do next? If you ever consider that I would flip town, have you considered the possibility of another strategy to play with using my situation? If you think I am scum, you know I would not be the only scum in this roster right? I want you to think about the long term strategy instead of short term goal (just lynching 1 scummy player). I know I have a plan in mind but I want to know first if you are just gonna be hellbent on my lynch this phase regardless on what I will say. I'm not hellbent on your lynch. It is definitely possible that Claire actually tried this as town. The way she would push me about not even considering her as possible town makes no sense from a scum perspective because she would know she wasn't town and that I would know she wasn't town. Thinking back on it, I think she might have been hinting about actually being town there. It is a little weak to go off, but it is enough to make me take a step back and try and find another way to determine your alignment. |
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logic340 said: I only suspected you in Alcatraz because you weren't practical with your actions. You know Kit is an asset if she's town but you decided to lynch her on D1 which is pretty much uncertain of her flip. So I had Claire pull a Denja move which confirms my suspicion about you. I was the one instigating that move after all because that is all I can do if I want some reads. So you are asking me now if I see you as scum this time... Ehh not for now. I am still on page 10 so I will see it from there. So far, I haven't seen anything suspicious about your actions.I was hell-bent on Claire's Lynch but now she's been replaced by the best town so I have things to consider. We're going to take our time and we're going to work through this together because I know how we do when we're both town. Sadly I cannot give you the benefit of the doubt at the moment. As far as a plan goes, I read the thread and try to determine who scum is, I leave the strategies and big plays to you. If you flip town then I'd first look at Penta. Seeing as Claire never really made it clear if she scum read Penta and was trying to catch him or just using his as means to gain reactions. After that I'd look over your train and see who looks suspect in it. You said you could tell I was scum in Alcatraz what are your thoughts here so far? I am really curious how the train on CP suddenly diverts to Oyasumi_Rosie. I want to check it out first. You can provide your insights of that if you want because I need to get the grasp of the timeline. xDD |
amberwillow said: grrr said: Not only that, I've never got any reply from this :'<First it was me, and now Claire ignores your questions : D . Willow said: #451 is the post I would like to check again later. Her frustration over logic calling others' posts BS looks honest but I am wondering about her point on Logic here. Would be awesome to hear what @PentaFlare @Crossbell @Lam-B and @CorruptedPurity thinks about this situation. (Sorry if u already said something about it, rn I didn't focus on others so I don't remember.) I'm generally really bad at determining someone's alignment from emotions, but her point about day 1 reads being about pushing on who one thinks is most suspicious is totally correct. I think I'll be coming back to this idea in my post about logic that is incoming the next time I sit down in front of a physical keyboard. |
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RE1031 said: Also, Penta has been complimenting mafia non stop and I don't like that. I typically avoid talking about what the mafia are doing as mafia because that is a really really easy way to unintentionally slip. |
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DenjaX said: You're on page 10 you are about to get to all of that. Claire suggested moving to grrr and followind followed along (right after saying he should be choosing between Grape and CP). CP also moved to grrr which Claire wasn't a huge fan of and moved back to CP (#616). The Vote Count quoted below reflects all those moves.logic340 said: I only suspected you in Alcatraz because you weren't practical with your actions. You know Kit is an asset if she's town but you decided to lynch her on D1 which is pretty much uncertain of her flip. So I had Claire pull a Denja move which confirms my suspicion about you. I was the one instigating that move after all because that is all I can do if I want some reads. So you are asking me now if I see you as scum this time... Ehh not for now. I am still on page 10 so I will see it from there. So far, I haven't seen anything suspicious about your actions.I was hell-bent on Claire's Lynch but now she's been replaced by the best town so I have things to consider. We're going to take our time and we're going to work through this together because I know how we do when we're both town. Sadly I cannot give you the benefit of the doubt at the moment. As far as a plan goes, I read the thread and try to determine who scum is, I leave the strategies and big plays to you. If you flip town then I'd first look at Penta. Seeing as Claire never really made it clear if she scum read Penta and was trying to catch him or just using his as means to gain reactions. After that I'd look over your train and see who looks suspect in it. You said you could tell I was scum in Alcatraz what are your thoughts here so far? I am really curious how the train on CP suddenly diverts to Oyasumi_Rosie. I want to check it out first. You can provide your insights of that if you want because I need to get the grasp of the timeline. xDD CorruptedPurity (3) Grapefruit21, PentaFlare, _Claire_ Grrr (2) followind, CorruptedPurity Logic340 (2) Crossbell, Grrr RE1031 (1) Lam-B PentaFlare (1) Sollux16 Oyasumi_Rosie (1) RE1031 _Claire_ (1) Logic340 Not Voting Oyasumi_Rosie, amberwillow Grrr came through and said CP was town for the 12345 post somewhere Crossbell catches up and votes for Claire with me Grapefruit keep pushing Purity's lynch moving his case to the recent page #708 Grapefruit calls for people to join a main wagon or make a case for their vote. Says Rosie not voting is unacceptable. willow finally votes Purity after mulling over CP and Grape Grape jumps to Rosie due to her top 3 town being weird Cross jumps to Rosie I see a tie between CP and Rosie, I vote Rosie to break tie Willow votes Rosie might have to trust cross reputation Cross begs Rosie to claim grrr pitches Claire as an alternative votes Rosie Phase ended in Rosies death. Hope this helps you some |
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PentaFlare said: How do you avoid talking about what the mafia are doing as mafia? The town is constantly talking about what the mafia are doing (killing people, abilities that were used, etc.) so how do you avoid talking about those things? Or do you mean you don't talk about your mafia plans so openly when mafia?RE1031 said: Also, Penta has been complimenting mafia non stop and I don't like that. I typically avoid talking about what the mafia are doing as mafia because that is a really really easy way to unintentionally slip. |
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logic340 said: PentaFlare said: Reading this post reminded me that you also wrote this post.Alright, so I'm caught up and mentally in a better mindset to try and answer some of the questions that I've been asked. I might shift onto PC in a bit so I can write up some analysis on players A question I think I can answer now is about why I thought Purity was town during the night phase. One reason was the large post about NKA. My thought process for that goes like this: There are three main types of players when it comes to NKA, those who think about it with every kill, those who only use it for specific pieces of information, and those who never want to touch it. Purity was obviously in the first group, willing to put a lot of effort into NKA. A player like this who is playing scum would not likely right a long post like that in the thread. Instead, they would keep their NKA in mind when picking a kill and then bring it up as a point during D2. By making that big post overnight, Purity lost the ability to discuss it during D2 in any way they wanted which is what a scum player would want to keep available. That post had a town mindset. The other thing that tipped me off was their approach to scum hunting in the night phase. Some of their posts struck me as very genuine and they started looking deeply into players mindsets. The town vibes I was getting in the night phase were getting stronger than the scum tells from the first day phase. What that looked like to me was a player who is so used to playing scum that they had to get into the game a hit before they could settle into the right mindset. To put this all simply, Purity's approach to the game was gradually changing for the better and my read changed with it. PentaFlare said: What you say about Purity losing the ability to talk about the Night Kill is what you are doing right here. Is this that truth in plain sight I know you capable of doing and getting away with as mafia? Or are you just this damn good as town. I leaning towards the latter but that pocket is in the back of my mind.CorruptedPurity is a really smart kill. I was worried that was going to happen. They were an important suspect during Day 1 but they kept getting progressively more and more townie, including showing a few concrete town tells during the night phase. If left alone they likely would have been a widely accepted townread by the end of Day 2. At least one person on the scum team knows their way around picking a night kill. I'm kind of confused about what you are getting at. When I say Purity lost the ability to talk about the night kill, I'm talking hypothetically about them being scum. If they were scum, posting that wall means they already posted a lot of the points they would probably want to bring up after the night kill, so they no longer would have been able to bring those up because their effectiveness is lost by provide an night kill chart for scum. Scum would want to be able to start talking about NKA on D2, Purity got it all out of the way on N1. That's what I'm getting at. |
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logic340 said: PentaFlare said: How do you avoid talking about what the mafia are doing as mafia? The town is constantly talking about what the mafia are doing (killing people, abilities that were used, etc.) so how do you avoid talking about those things? Or do you mean you don't talk about your mafia plans so openly when mafia?I typically avoid talking about what the mafia are doing as mafia because that is a really really easy way to unintentionally slip. I just avoid talking about NKA and reasons why a kill would have been made. Obviously I can't avoid talking about the mafia at all. |
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PentaFlare said: The second post I quoted is you talking about the NKA D2 hence "truth in plain sight". So you say scum want to talk about NK after doing just that. I just got NK people I was suspicious of as mafia it helped to shake people's suspicion of me. Just a thought as I wrestle with town or scum Penta. The real time interaction with you and Claire felt so town though, so maybe I'm over thinking things with you.logic340 said: Reading this post reminded me that you also wrote this post. What you say about Purity losing the ability to talk about the Night Kill is what you are doing right here. Is this that truth in plain sight I know you capable of doing and getting away with as mafia? Or are you just this damn good as town. I leaning towards the latter but that pocket is in the back of my mind. I'm kind of confused about what you are getting at. When I say Purity lost the ability to talk about the night kill, I'm talking hypothetically about them being scum. If they were scum, posting that wall means they already posted a lot of the points they would probably want to bring up after the night kill, so they no longer would have been able to bring those up because their effectiveness is lost by provide an night kill chart for scum. Scum would want to be able to start talking about NKA on D2, Purity got it all out of the way on N1. That's what I'm getting at. |
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amberwillow said: followind said: So he is scummish, because you are scummish?Hmm.. It's weak but it's just how I perceive it.. I don't feel like he's contributing much like me since I'm not contributing much either I mean I find him scummish cause of behavior.. But I know I also know that I don't contribute much.. So I don't want to be hyprocrite |
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logic340 said: PentaFlare said: The second post I quoted is you talking about the NKA D2 hence "truth in plain sight". So you say scum want to talk about NK after doing just that. I just got NK people I was suspicious of as mafia it helped to shake people's suspicion of me. Just a thought as I wrestle with town or scum Penta. The real time interaction with you and Claire felt so town though, so maybe I'm over thinking things with you.I'm kind of confused about what you are getting at. When I say Purity lost the ability to talk about the night kill, I'm talking hypothetically about them being scum. If they were scum, posting that wall means they already posted a lot of the points they would probably want to bring up after the night kill, so they no longer would have been able to bring those up because their effectiveness is lost by provide an night kill chart for scum. Scum would want to be able to start talking about NKA on D2, Purity got it all out of the way on N1. That's what I'm getting at. Scum players from the group who really like NKA will want to talk about it on D2. I'm from the group who only likes using it for specific things, like trying to figure it the kind of mindset they are using to see if future kills can be predictable. |
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PentaFlare said: fair enough, definitely something I'll be interested in seeing and learning more about. Not sure which group I fall into though.logic340 said: The second post I quoted is you talking about the NKA D2 hence "truth in plain sight". So you say scum want to talk about NK after doing just that. I just got NK people I was suspicious of as mafia it helped to shake people's suspicion of me. Just a thought as I wrestle with town or scum Penta. The real time interaction with you and Claire felt so town though, so maybe I'm over thinking things with you. Scum players from the group who really like NKA will want to talk about it on D2. I'm from the group who only likes using it for specific things, like trying to figure it the kind of mindset they are using to see if future kills can be predictable. |
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DenjaX said: I searched wiki and it said mafiascum playerI am on page 13. Before I read more what does NAI stands for? New America International? |
Gruffin said: 🐭 Vote Count 1.1 🐭 Logic340 (4) Crossbell, _Claire_, Grapefruit21, Grrr Grapefruit21 (2) logic340, Oyasumi_Rosie Crossbell (1) RE1031 Not Voting Sollux16, CorruptedPurity, Lam-B, amberwillow, followind, PentaFlare 🐭 Vote History 🐭 Mod notes: Remempurr to have fun! :3 🕒 Countdown to Night 1 🕒 Just a random observation: If logic is town, I still do think that there may be one scum on this wagon. It overlaps so heavily with Rosie's wagon though, so I have no idea how helpful this observation will be. |
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| Thoughts on the Claire situation: -during real time Penta feels town, the way he handled that whole situation feels town to me. -if Penta is scum was this the best course of action given the circumstances that he would know who made the night kill? -I have been scum readingClaire hard but if Claire/Penra is town/town what approach would mafia take in this situation? I honestly feel they stay out of it or take the position that Crossbell and Grapefruit did. -if you think I'm mafia and slipped because I know who made the NK does that make Penta my teammate? -My top scum read has been replaced by "best town" this game is getting crazy as hell. Very interested in seeing how things go with Denja. |
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Crossbell said: That leaves you, Grapefruit, and grrr since Claire was on CP. I doubt you point out you are scum on the train but who knows. Lets say you and I are town, that leaves grrr and grapefruit. I asked Lam-B a question about grrr in #960 (I'll quote it below even though I liked it as well). I'd like to hear your answer on the question and then we will continue our process of elimination. Just a random observation: If logic is town, I still do think that there may be one scum on this wagon. It overlaps so heavily with Rosie's wagon though, so I have no idea how helpful this observation will be. logic340 said: @Lam-B As someone who seems to have some level of experience with and possible understanding of grrr, I would like your opinion on RE's #947? I kind of feel the same way but I've never seen his scum game. My thoughts: grrr is bold but is he bold enough to "whiteknight" his night kill target like that? I don't think he's that bold but I want to hear from you on this. |
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Grapefruit21 said: This is exactly what I would expect scum to do if Penta and Claire is town/town. 2 town for the price of no scum.PentaFlare said: You aren't cleared on your "facts" Claire. If there was no information about us other than the fact that we both made these claims, it would be 50/50 to guess who is yelling the truth. However, because there is more information, a careful analysis can be done and the odds will different. I intend to show that the likelihood of you being town is very unlikely. Here's the thing though: 1 one you is dying this phase 100% with this dictohmy. And we can afford it to be you first because you haven't claimed a PR. The only way we lynch Claire first here is if she is caught in a provable lie. And that isn't the case right now. Vote: PentaFlare If you're town sorry and we'll lynch Claire tomorrow and get a 1 for 1 which is pretty great. |
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| So First 10 page insights: Penta pulling shenanigans with "Day cop" is a good play to get things going and people should not get hellbent on his actions because Day cop is not a basic role and they should know that it is non existent. People who attempted to denounce him, I consider it mudslinging. They go to my scumread pile. People meta reading and salt tunnelling is very fascinating. All I get was people bickering to each other and I can't read any of their sheet. Penta's tactic was more productive imo. grrr vote wagon died so fast so I am going to look into that. All I know that Cop should have investigated Claire. If not, they are doing it wrong. Her actions were sus af. |
| @followind are you all caught up with the thread? What are you thoughts on my #1432? |
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logic340 said: Thoughts on the Claire situation: -during real time Penta feels town, the way he handled that whole situation feels town to me. -if Penta is scum was this the best course of action given the circumstances that he would know who made the night kill? -I have been scum readingClaire hard but if Claire/Penra is town/town what approach would mafia take in this situation? I honestly feel they stay out of it or take the position that Crossbell and Grapefruit did. -if you think I'm mafia and slipped because I know who made the NK does that make Penta my teammate? -My top scum read has been replaced by "best town" this game is getting crazy as hell. Very interested in seeing how things go with Denja. about this.. -If Penta was scum, he prob wouldn't have performed the gambit he did on D1 since it's risky. Most people would prob check him or Claire IMO -If Claire and Penta is T and T, I feel mafia will just sit in the backseat and enjoy town self destuctiong.. -I didn't notice this but I don't think so since your interaction with him doesn't convinced my you're aligned |
Grapefruit21 said: 100% huh??? Why are you voting me again? Why are you so quick to believe everything that Claire said? Your not making sense to me as I reread this grapefruit.logic340 said: It's still more town than mafia bro don't discredit it because we almost wrecked your town with it. Maybe you need to be mafia once to really understand where i am coming from. What seems like a suboptimal mafia play from town mindset works our for scum. Or maybe i really just am not good at this game but i think you need to consider lynching Claire based off your warning alone. I really hope you're scum because this makes me sad if it's coming from town logic. I read your scum chat, I get what you are saying. But that doesn't mean your way to play it is correct. Scum will get 2 NK's the next two nights excluding lucky Doc protects or other saves. Town has to lynch presumably 3 scum to win. We have ~2-3 mislynches left. There is 100% scum between Claire and Penta. One has claimed VT, the other has claimed PR. I will not lynch the PR first unless you can provide evidence way above and beyond a normal case, because losing an unCC'd investigative would be horrible. |
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Grapefruit21 said: I never believed the claim I wanted to lynch her but now you use it against me as reasons for me being scum?_Claire_ said: DONT CLAIM YET. I want everyone to take a stance first about whether they believe my claim or not. At least wait until first half of this day phase (24 hours) pass. Especially I want @amberwillow to tell me what she thinks. @Lam-B too. Okay that's not a town response. Unvote Vote:Claire Literally everyone who doesn't believe your claim should 100% want to lynch you. |
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| @Crossbell lol asking Rosie to role claim after forming a wagon when she was gone. Wagon forming near EoD to force claims should be implemented on people who are on. Was she lurking at that time that's why you prod her? |
amberwillow said: Was this in response to Grapefruit asking who the investigator might be on page 23?If u guys are fishing for such claims, wont it be easier for mafia? |
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Crossbell said: Doesn't this help the mafia narrow down potential vanilla and town PR's? Especially if (assuming t/t) Claire really is vanilla and forced Penta to claim?@Sollux16 @Logic340 @Lam-B @followind @grrr ^ People that need to check in and claim that they are the town investigative or not. Once everyone has checked in and made it explicit that they are or are not the town investigative, I will start looking into the situation. |
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DenjaX said: Her profile said she was online and she had been asking if her posts were showing up on page 14 last post was #706. Which was her suspect list which Cross found weird and was Grapefruit's reason for moving his vote there I do believe.@Crossbell lol asking Rosie to role claim after forming a wagon when she was gone. Wagon forming near EoD to force claims should be implemented on people who are on. Was she lurking at that time that's why you prod her? |
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Grapefruit21 said: Yet after she comes forward as Vanilla town you believe it an vote for me?amberwillow said: Oh, I am confused whenever I should or not should it with those "claim not claim"? But no, I am not an investigative role. Claire really isn't in a position to dictate strategy to town right now. Either they are the town investigative and we need everyone to CC or not CC to prove it and stop this lynch or they are scum hiding with a fake claim and trying to buy more time. The third scenario is a horrible fake claim as town but Claire is too good a player to do that in this situation. |
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Grapefruit21 said: Changed your tune in only 13 posts?@_Claire_ I do not know what you are talking about. I wanted to stop voting you while waiting for the thread to chime in. I don't want there to be a lynch I'm not okay with, and at this stage I don't want you lynched. As for wanting things spoonfed, it's called taking advantage of mechanical dichotomy's. Look at the scenario's I outlined. This always works out well-ish for town. Unless you are lying which could be what you were hinting at. But if that's the case then your play was bad and you should feel bad. And you should have done a full retraction rather than just hinting at it. |
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| I'm not going to be here for the phase change.. So I'll vote Grape and go to sleep, he change too much and is pretty high strung when suspected.. Usually town won't get high strung since he know he's town... Also, he's one of my initia sus from D1... During the early part of D2 he seems town but now he seems pretty scummy.. Also like to point out.. Isn't logic jumping train too fast? Weren't you hell bend on lynching anyone that would've replaced Claire? Why are you shifting your attention to grapefruit? In any case I need to go to slepe and won't be here.. So good luck town |
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followind said: I'm not understanding your suspicion of me moving my gaze to Grapefruit? I have been looking there for a while already. You said I tunnel to hard but now that I have began talking about grapefruit I am moving off too quickly? I haven't moved my vote so I am curious as to what you are implying right now?I'm not going to be here for the phase change.. So I'll vote Grape and go to sleep, he change too much and is pretty high strung when suspected.. Usually town won't get high strung since he know he's town... Also, he's one of my initia sus from D1... During the early part of D2 he seems town but now he seems pretty scummy.. Also like to point out.. Isn't logic jumping train too fast? Weren't you hell bend on lynching anyone that would've replaced Claire? Why are you shifting your attention to grapefruit? In any case I need to go to slepe and won't be here.. So good luck town Edit: Also phase change has been moved to tomorrow |
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| If I declare a Gladiator duel right now, would anyone comply to it? I believe I found scum and I want to go all-in on this one. Of course you guys can lynch me first but if I flip town can I trust any one of you to follow-up on my target? EDIT: Added mentions @Sollux16 @Crossbell @RE1031 @Logic340 @Grapefruit21 @Lam-B @amberwillow @followind @PentaFlare @grrr |
DenjaX said: If Denja flips town you know I will follow up on your targets. I would absolutely be willing to participate in this if I am your chosen target.If I declare a Gladiator duel right now, would anyone comply to it? I believe I found scum and I want to go all-in on this one. Of course you guys can lynch me first but if I flip town can I trust any one of you to follow-up on my target? EDIT: Added mentions @Sollux16 @Crossbell @RE1031 @Logic340 @Grapefruit21 @Lam-B @amberwillow @followind @PentaFlare @grrr |
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