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Crossbell said: Oh please, never give 100% to these messages. It still pains my heart how we lost in LOTD because of something like this and it was like more than a year ago D:I have absolutely no idea what to make of this situation. My gut thinks that Claire is town because her replace-out post sounded sincere. My brain, however, points to the fact that she falseclaimed to out the investigative power role in the game and to try to lynch Penta. Is this really another Overwatch Mafia, or is Claire just scum? Better judge her posts. Edit: mixed game name Edit 2: wait, I am still not sure if it's this game. Geh. not that it matters. |
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| I mean, it's Claire. She's one of the best players on the site in terms of emotional appeal. She won Pirates Mafia due to me buying it, which is why I am trying to be as objective as possible about this. Part of me just wants to lynch her and just hope she flips scum, because what she just did right now was just so blatantly anti-town. It honestly would not surprise me if this was a hail mary gambit designed to fish for as many of the town power roles as possible before going down. |
Crossbell said: I mean, it's Claire. She's one of the best players on the site in terms of emotional appeal. She won Pirates Mafia due to me buying it, which is why I am trying to be as objective as possible about this. Part of me just wants to lynch her and just hope she flips scum, because what she just did right now was just so blatantly anti-town. It honestly would not surprise me if this was a hail mary gambit designed to fish for as many of the town power roles as possible before going down. Okay well not going to argue against that. Seen it in twins. If it's a common trend then I will not fall for it o/ edit: Just a correction, but she did not want other people to claim, or at least bolded it and posted that. |
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| @Grapefruit21 @PentaFlare What are your thoughts on the situation? I am completely lost right now, and not sure what to make of Claire falseclaiming. |
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logic340 said: Looking forward (if u didn't do it yet)Grapefruit21 said: hm....I'm here, listening and thinking. Don't have much to say I guess I'll start working this Claire iso then... |
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RE1031 said: logic340 said: I think you two are partners bro. If she flips scum you neck is next. I am so done with you this game you been hanging on to logic is scum since....your first post....get out of the tunnel and lets do some work. Oh and I told you Claire was lying.... can we lynch her now? If she's getting modkilled, then no. If she's getting replaced, maybe. Meanwhile we are back to square one. Which is a huge pain. We may have to read into night actions now - which means more claiming. Modkilled: This would suck but yeah makes sense to move on and see what she flips. Replacement: How the fuck are they going to answer for this? Claire just put major doubt on a more active town read player for no apparent reason. Even said she lied about town reading Penta on D1. If someone replaces I will be lynching there because I don't want to go into D3 or D4 with this question mark. What a fucking pain this is. Like it makes me think that Grapefruit is scum again.... Crossbell said: I don't know anything about overwatch. I do know about Alcatraz where she lied about a PR D2 while facing lynch pressure. She was going to be up against hit here today but this fake claim is so out there I don't see how she feels it helps town or is indicative of "town stepping up"I have absolutely no idea what to make of this situation. My gut thinks that Claire is town because her replace-out post sounded sincere. My brain, however, points to the fact that she falseclaimed to out the investigative power role in the game and to try to lynch Penta. Is this really another Overwatch Mafia, or is Claire just scum? amberwillow said: You do know that Claire has come forward and said she was lying right?PentaFlare said: this makes sense when I read it.So, Claire has just triggered one of her major scumtells in a game. When she is scum and is heavily suspected, especially early on, she will not try to defend herself by interacting with the players who suspect her and trying to change her mind. Town Claire will do this, usually getting very emotional in the process. However, mafia Claire will either just try and pull an emotion defense ("there is nothing I can defend myself with when it is only day 1. What could you expect me to do?" kind of thing) which is how I got her as scum in Shounen Crossover, or she will switch the argument to be about mechanics instead of mindset and past actions. This is definitely Claire's scum game. _Claire_ said: I can see where it is coming too. I would have expected anyone who was in Penta's position to be a bit more shaken, because if someone says that u visited someone when u don't have any night abilities, u are 100% sure that that person is lying. And Penta here looks a bit emotionally reserved? But he creats/created his case on Claire pretty well. So while I see Claire's point on this, it's not that easy to be sure of how one would behave in certain situations. (I can say so, because CP looked too calm to me and that bothered me, but he fliped town, so yeah).I would write it I am in the train atm, and something going on later so the read may come up late. Oh this is a very strange attitude. If you are TRULY a VT, then you should have said I were lying and such, not trying to prove my point because if you are VT you know that you are right and I am wrong. |
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Crossbell said: Because she is scum.Just that, if you're town here, WHY THE HECK WOULD FALSECLAIM A GUILTY CHECK ON DAY 2. |
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amberwillow said: No I haven't done it yet but now that she might get modkilled I don't know if I should take the time doing it? RIght now I am working on CP interactions by users so there will be a mini one for Claire since the majority of her D1 revolved around Purity. Looking forward (if u didn't do it yet) Will you talk to me about Grapefruit and your opinion on him? @Crossbell same question as above please? |
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_Claire_ said: This is so confusing. Let me confirmlogic340 said: based on yesterday I don't believe that she would have power role and I don't believe we're just throwing it away you're not even questioning it which is very concerning considering your warning at the beginning of the game I did bread-crumb I had a PR, but I lied about what kind of PR I am. See, how much you dont read my posts. It saddens me. So u soft claimed somewhere about one role, then claimed a tracker and then claimed VT? |
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logic340 said: Yes, I saw that.RE1031 said: If she's getting modkilled, then no. If she's getting replaced, maybe. Meanwhile we are back to square one. Which is a huge pain. We may have to read into night actions now - which means more claiming. Modkilled: This would suck but yeah makes sense to move on and see what she flips. Replacement: How the fuck are they going to answer for this? Claire just put major doubt on a more active town read player for no apparent reason. Even said she lied about town reading Penta on D1. If someone replaces I will be lynching there because I don't want to go into D3 or D4 with this question mark. What a fucking pain this is. Like it makes me think that Grapefruit is scum again.... Crossbell said: I don't know anything about overwatch. I do know about Alcatraz where she lied about a PR D2 while facing lynch pressure. She was going to be up against hit here today but this fake claim is so out there I don't see how she feels it helps town or is indicative of "town stepping up"I have absolutely no idea what to make of this situation. My gut thinks that Claire is town because her replace-out post sounded sincere. My brain, however, points to the fact that she falseclaimed to out the investigative power role in the game and to try to lynch Penta. Is this really another Overwatch Mafia, or is Claire just scum? amberwillow said: You do know that Claire has come forward and said she was lying right?this makes sense when I read it. I can see where it is coming too. I would have expected anyone who was in Penta's position to be a bit more shaken, because if someone says that u visited someone when u don't have any night abilities, u are 100% sure that that person is lying. And Penta here looks a bit emotionally reserved? But he creats/created his case on Claire pretty well. So while I see Claire's point on this, it's not that easy to be sure of how one would behave in certain situations. (I can say so, because CP looked too calm to me and that bothered me, but he fliped town, so yeah). And you do know that I am talking about Claire's point about Penta's reaction to Claire's statement that she said that she saw him visiting CP, which was before she said that she was lying? I know that she lied about being a tracker, but I still see a possibility of her being town. So, I am sorry, but I don't feel like not paying attention to everything else what she said. |
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amberwillow said: I'm paying attention but the way she went about trying to cast doubt on Penta is weird. Also Penta didn't slip anywhere during the interactions that I can see so if anything Claire has hindered us more in that regard. She lied about Town or Scum reading Penta to even say she had suspicion to track Penta. Why did she chose Penta who was on her from night phase? Claire was facing down suspicion so what better way to go out than cause a mislynch first?logic340 said: Yes, I saw that.Modkilled: This would suck but yeah makes sense to move on and see what she flips. Replacement: How the fuck are they going to answer for this? Claire just put major doubt on a more active town read player for no apparent reason. Even said she lied about town reading Penta on D1. If someone replaces I will be lynching there because I don't want to go into D3 or D4 with this question mark. What a fucking pain this is. Like it makes me think that Grapefruit is scum again.... I don't know anything about overwatch. I do know about Alcatraz where she lied about a PR D2 while facing lynch pressure. She was going to be up against hit here today but this fake claim is so out there I don't see how she feels it helps town or is indicative of "town stepping up" You do know that Claire has come forward and said she was lying right? And you do know that I am talking about Claire's point about Penta's reaction to Claire's statement that she said that she saw him visiting CP, which was before she said that she was lying? I know that she lied about being a tracker, but I still see a possibility of her being town. So, I am sorry, but I don't feel like not paying attention to everything else what she said. |
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logic340 said: Not now, if you don't mind. I have to go out in 5-10 minutes, so I want to keep reading as much as I can, cuz it's hella hard to catch up when I don't have time and get interfered with rl matters.amberwillow said: No I haven't done it yet but now that she might get modkilled I don't know if I should take the time doing it? RIght now I am working on CP interactions by users so there will be a mini one for Claire since the majority of her D1 revolved around Purity. Looking forward (if u didn't do it yet) Will you talk to me about Grapefruit and your opinion on him? @Crossbell same question as above please? |
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amberwillow said: How does all this tell you she may actually be town? Even if she is how do we determine what we can trust from what we can't trust?_Claire_ said: This is so confusing. Let me confirmI did bread-crumb I had a PR, but I lied about what kind of PR I am. See, how much you dont read my posts. It saddens me. So u soft claimed somewhere about one role, then claimed a tracker and then claimed VT? |
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amberwillow said: You wouldn't take a side in the Claire/Penta argument before Claire came forward about the lie, now you want to wait on this. I cannot force you to do anything you don't want to but your unwillingness to answer my questions is making me even more suspicious of you now than I already was.logic340 said: Not now, if you don't mind. I have to go out in 5-10 minutes, so I want to keep reading as much as I can, cuz it's hella hard to catch up when I don't have time and get interfered with rl matters.No I haven't done it yet but now that she might get modkilled I don't know if I should take the time doing it? RIght now I am working on CP interactions by users so there will be a mini one for Claire since the majority of her D1 revolved around Purity. Will you talk to me about Grapefruit and your opinion on him? @Crossbell same question as above please? |
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logic340 said: Indeed.amberwillow said: I'm paying attention but the way she went about trying to cast doubt on Penta is weird. Also Penta didn't slip anywhere during the interactions that I can see so if anything Claire has hindered us more in that regard. She lied about Town or Scum reading Penta to even say she had suspicion to track Penta. Why did she chose Penta who was on her from night phase? Claire was facing down suspicion so what better way to go out than cause a mislynch first?Yes, I saw that. And you do know that I am talking about Claire's point about Penta's reaction to Claire's statement that she said that she saw him visiting CP, which was before she said that she was lying? I know that she lied about being a tracker, but I still see a possibility of her being town. So, I am sorry, but I don't feel like not paying attention to everything else what she said. What are the chance that they both are mafias? <--this question was pestering me in the same way like which of these two could be. |
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logic340 said: I didn't say that she is town. I said that I can see a possibility of her being town. (ghnwdskjbvkjd I still dunno what to think about all that besides all the suspicions)amberwillow said: How does all this tell you she may actually be town? Even if she is how do we determine what we can trust from what we can't trust?This is so confusing. Let me confirm So u soft claimed somewhere about one role, then claimed a tracker and then claimed VT? Do what we always do. Read peeps posts and see what we think of them. Gotta go now, cya |
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_Claire_ said: That's a shame if u are actually quitting, Clairy. But well, whichever u flip, I am gonna to look into your posts and especially your interactions with others anyway.@amberwillow I have told the host I am quitting the game so dont waste your breathe. If anything, people will pin you as scum for trying to understand me. While u have time u could explain yourself as much as u can while u have time. Anw I srsly gotta run >.< |
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amberwillow said: The thing is Claire was lying so we really don't have a dichotomy like we thought and thinking that Penta is scum based of what Claire did just doesn't hold up any longer. If you were scum reading or neutral leaning scum before this all hapeened then ok but I am not sure where you were on them before which is why I asked. Did the same thing with Sollux before he started reading. I want to know before and after so I can compare the views. Now that i's out that Claire lied that information becomes even more valuable if you ask me. Grapefruit trying to stifle conversation on the assumption that Claire was being honest is just wrong imo and we need to figure this out without mechanics and let that be the cherry on top. logic340 said: Indeed.I'm paying attention but the way she went about trying to cast doubt on Penta is weird. Also Penta didn't slip anywhere during the interactions that I can see so if anything Claire has hindered us more in that regard. She lied about Town or Scum reading Penta to even say she had suspicion to track Penta. Why did she chose Penta who was on her from night phase? Claire was facing down suspicion so what better way to go out than cause a mislynch first? What are the chance that they both are mafias? <--this question was pestering me in the same way like which of these two could be. Claire's D1 behavior felt scummy to the point I didn't even believe her claim. Now I find out it's a lie how am I supposed to vote Penta with that? |
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_Claire_ said: Claire it's not that I don't read your posts. It's that you lie about so much that I don't know what to believe. You lied when you bread-crumbed, you lied about being a tracker, you lied about your results in an attempt to get PentaFlare lynched, you say you lied about town reading Penta but how do we know that? How am I supposed to believe anything you say with all these lies?logic340 said: based on yesterday I don't believe that she would have power role and I don't believe we're just throwing it away you're not even questioning it which is very concerning considering your warning at the beginning of the game I did bread-crumb I had a PR, but I lied about what kind of PR I am. See, how much you dont read my posts. It saddens me. |
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Crossbell said: Can we just lynch Claire and move on? Like I don't see how a replacement can fix the damage she has done. @Grapefruit21 @PentaFlare What are your thoughts on the situation? I am completely lost right now, and not sure what to make of Claire falseclaiming. @Grapefruti21 This is exactly what I was talking about. Rather than actually play the game with us she made up some BS about Penta being scum? Went as far as to say she lied about her Penta read on D1 (how does that help town) and further perpetuated the lie. I tried to talk with you about it last night but you are too stuck on the right way to do things that you ignore when Claire is doing things the wrong way. If you are town then come on man get it together here if not then you can be next to take the rope. Go back look how Claire claimed and tell me again why you believed it? I swear all that talk about town need to step their game up and she is goes and pulls this shit after the D1 she had.....like I am pissed right now. |
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| This is taking forever to put together and it's so quiet around here. Who else wants to weigh in on the current situation. Scum team is hiding are you not wanting to take a side? Scum out, scum out, where ever you are??? |
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logic340 said: This is taking forever to put together and it's so quiet around here. Who else wants to weigh in on the current situation. Scum team is hiding are you not wanting to take a side? Scum out, scum out, where ever you are??? Here I am. This is all very interesting : D . I quickly run through the pages and I haven't read it all but I have positive feelings for today. I have few more hours work and I will catch up after that. For now vote: logic (sadly though I am pretty sure i will have to change this after I back read) . |
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Can we just lynch Claire and move on? Like I don't see how a replacement can fix the damage she has done. You will need to do a lot of explanation for this one I am pretty sure. See you in 3 hours. |
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_Claire_ said: @amberwillow I have told the host I am quitting the game so dont waste your breathe. If anything, people will pin you as scum for trying to understand me. Yey no more @claire ^^ ! |
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grrr said: Maybe once you catch up you will see that there really isn't much work for me to do there actually:Can we just lynch Claire and move on? Like I don't see how a replacement can fix the damage she has done. You will need to do a lot of explanation for this one I am pretty sure. See you in 3 hours. Long and short of it: Claire was getting heat from me and Penta to start the phase. Came out tried to defend herself and when that failed she claimed to see Penta visit CP last night. When that didn't work she admitted to being VT and asked to be Modkilled since no one else would be able to salvage her slot. |
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logic340 said: Claire was getting heat from me and Penta to start the phase. Came out tried to defend herself and when that failed she claimed to see Penta visit CP last night. When that didn't work she admitted to being VT and asked to be Modkilled since no one else would be able to salvage her slot. I don't believe you. Claire is not crying kid like that. That sounds more like karote. |
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grrr said: Read the thread then tell me what conclusion you come to. This is how I see it though. The timing and everything is just way off not like the last time when she lied about a PR as town.logic340 said: Claire was getting heat from me and Penta to start the phase. Came out tried to defend herself and when that failed she claimed to see Penta visit CP last night. When that didn't work she admitted to being VT and asked to be Modkilled since no one else would be able to salvage her slot. I don't believe you. Claire is not crying kid like that. That sounds more like karote. |
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PentaFlare said: Now that we know the truth will you go back and look at it from the other side? Grapefruit was the one attacking Purity yesterday not the other way around. As I re-read the thread and put together this Purity interactions post you are not looking as good as you did during your argument with Claire.CorruptedPurity said: 1)Dunno how you define pressure, but I believed that I've (successfully) pressured grape. When I say pressure, I mean applying pressure to which will cause them to react, and from the reaction I can analyse to gain more information on whether my read is right or not. I don't want to change the way they play, I want to understand the way they play and whether it is pro-town or anti-town. 2)I wouldn't be interested in learning about cross yet. He'd post enough by the time I want to get a read on him, priority for me was getting as much information as possible. And arguably, we got more information from followind and amberwillow and rosie reacting to the question than cross. As I said, I never intended to hinder your attempt to read cross. But you can always do that at another time. 3)You prefer for me to just vote Grape without hearing out everything first? And yes, I'm going to push him until I find something to support my vote. If I can't find anything to support my vote, then that would clear Grape for me. Also, I don't know really understand your anti-town playstyle but if you're really sure you know what you're doing, I'll leave you be for now... My problem is that you are approaching the attack on grapefruit as showing why they are scum and not determining if they are scum. That's what I've caught from your posts. Also,my current behaviour is not antitown. That was just the gambit I was doing with grapefruit earlier. If you think I am being antitown, can you show why instead of just discrediting me by continuing to throw the word antitown around when it no longer applies to what I am doing? |
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logic340 said: PentaFlare said: If Grapefruit is Claire's teammate do you see him taking this strong a stance against you?Well, actually, you are scum to me and I am town to you, but obviously you are not going to say that. The thing is though, you can say you don't want to discuss it with me as much as you want, but everytime you confuse my wording to make it less clear, I'm going to correct and clarify that, so don't expect me to stop responding. Yeah. Possibly. I think that their approach to this situation would be a very smart one for town. Defending Claire by focusing on mechanics and roles principally. This doesn't make me any more suspicious of grape because this is also something many townies would do, I just wish they would consider their reads more when making the decision, in no small part because I want to live to see another phase in case the PR suddenly gets busy and can't claim or is someone like grrr who just might not claim. |
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_Claire_ said: @Kit I am very deeply sorry but I dont think I am in emotional state where I can play this game. Would kindly ask to be mod-killed please, as I dont see how someone replacing me will be able to play this game comfortably. Sorry for the drama. I am not a PR, I am VT. I also dont expect anyone to believe me. I dont want the investigative role to be out, so I am saying this now. I dont want the game to turn into worse when the investigative was out, I just want reaction from people, but I dont expect things like this to happen. So yes. Goodluck. Oh. I should probably catch up completely before I continuing to respond to posts |
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logic340 said: Alright then.amberwillow said: No I haven't done it yet but now that she might get modkilled I don't know if I should take the time doing it? RIght now I am working on CP interactions by users so there will be a mini one for Claire since the majority of her D1 revolved around Purity. Looking forward (if u didn't do it yet) Will you talk to me about Grapefruit and your opinion on him? @Crossbell same question as above please? Anything specific? Hmm.. Grape tends to make some susp looking posts that doesn't add to his image but most of the time he looks like a townie. What I saw recently (while scroling through posts that I didn't read all yet )was him taking Claire's side when she claimed to be a tracker and I can understand him pretty well on this. I believe that that was a town reaction, but with her admiting that a claim was fake I am not sure. If Claire would flip mafia then I would mark him with a bigger question mark, especially cuz he might have saved her from being lynched. I have to say that he behaved townish at this point (D2) and he felt like a townie after that Penta's text wall about CP being baddie. The part between CP/Grape was confusing and both of them looked quite bad to me. And dunno if it's important but what stuck to my mind how he looked like he freaked out about Penta checking him with his "day cop" power. ^ that's my "before reading" thoughts about him. I will see if anything changes after I finish reading. |
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logic340 said: Ohh rightt, CP started it but then Grape was defending himself while attacking. Yeee, he could have been looking townish cuz of the contrast with CP being painted bad. I really need to review that part.PentaFlare said: Now that we know the truth will you go back and look at it from the other side? Grapefruit was the one attacking Purity yesterday not the other way around. As I re-read the thread and put together this Purity interactions post you are not looking as good as you did during your argument with Claire.My problem is that you are approaching the attack on grapefruit as showing why they are scum and not determining if they are scum. That's what I've caught from your posts. Also,my current behaviour is not antitown. That was just the gambit I was doing with grapefruit earlier. If you think I am being antitown, can you show why instead of just discrediting me by continuing to throw the word antitown around when it no longer applies to what I am doing? |
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Sollux16 said: Alright, so. Here are my thoughts. Out of Penta and Claire, Claire definitely seems to be more of a mafia member in my eyes. Their actions seem to be a little too off. But since they are quitting, so I'm not going to place my vote there. Quick question, is it possible to have a Jester in this game? I'm pretty sure there are no third parties in this game. |
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logic340 said: I doubt that there would be a vengeful in a basic mafia o.OGrapefruit21 said: that's only the case of Claire isn't a vengeful which is much worse for us. Please don't ignore that possibility. Also what has Claire fine to have earner trust here?Here's the thing though: 1 one you is dying this phase 100% with this dictohmy. And we can afford it to be you first because you haven't claimed a PR. The only way we lynch Claire first here is if she is caught in a provable lie. And that isn't the case right now. Vote: PentaFlare If you're town sorry and we'll lynch Claire tomorrow and get a 1 for 1 which is pretty great. |
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| I don't think it's Penta vs. Claire anymore. Penta was just a victim of Claire's fake claim. Still think there's a possibility Penta and Claire are a team and Claire's actions could be to make Penta look innocent for late game, but for that to happen Claire would have to be mafia and I'd rather lynch her still. Ignoring the emotional friction between Claire and Logic earlier, and just looking at the fake claim -> VT claim, this is not townie material. I don't know why anyone would be prompted to do this if they truly want to help town. Especially given her attitude before and during this - she was criticizing us for being manipulated by scum and basically our inability to make sense of it - then she makes a fake claim which undoubtedly was going to throw off everyone. Scum or not, it's completely unjustified to be blaming others for mislynches and confusion when you're the main contributor. It seems possible that by taking back the PR claim and defaulting to VT, she's setting her replacer (if she were to get one because asking for modkill does not mean you'll get one) up in a better position. If no one wants to come out and discuss night actions, fine, so be it. I will vote Claire (or the replacement) by the end of this stage, unless there is even more extremely damning evidence. |
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