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Aug 15, 2016 3:15 PM

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Kittens-kun said:
"Don''t like, don't watch" Makes sense though. If you've watched enough of the show to rate it a 1 or 2, just drop it. You've obviously enjoyed very little to nothing about the show, so what's the point? You're just prolonging your suffering and for what? To have a pointless discussion with a fan that'll disregard everything you say and insult? It's not worth it.


What if the anime is teaching about how bad anime can be? Good students learn from the worst teachers. If you're like me and you value the study of fiction, watching bad stuff and completing it is often necessary.

I wouldn't put too much time into such shitty anime though.
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Aug 15, 2016 4:25 PM

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TheBrainintheJar said:
Kittens-kun said:
"Don''t like, don't watch" Makes sense though. If you've watched enough of the show to rate it a 1 or 2, just drop it. You've obviously enjoyed very little to nothing about the show, so what's the point? You're just prolonging your suffering and for what? To have a pointless discussion with a fan that'll disregard everything you say and insult? It's not worth it.


What if the anime is teaching about how bad anime can be? Good students learn from the worst teachers. If you're like me and you value the study of fiction, watching bad stuff and completing it is often necessary.

I wouldn't put too much time into such shitty anime though.



Well yeah. I agree with that. I mean I've never dropped a show. But if it's really THAT bad, then I see no point in continuing. You could spend that time watching something you will actually like. xD


If I ever watch something as bad as School Days again, it'll get dropped though.

Aug 15, 2016 6:12 PM

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MasterHavik said:
"It's for kids." Is such a defensive argument it is insane. Basically people who use this make the claim a show can be bad as much as it wants to be if the audience is kids. Does anyone see how fucking dumb that is and shows that person has a low opinion of kids?
A lot of criticism is short hand for something else, and most people know how to read in between the lines. Sometimes the short hand is so embedded into our culture that we don't realize we're doing it. This is one of them. Of course we realize that very good works have come out of children's shows. But when we don't feel like elaborating, and because it's so reasonably common, how do we describe a show that has such a simplistic and immature narrative structure, that might lack any nuance or advocate a totally unrealistic message that banks on empty positivity? It's a show for kids.
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Aug 15, 2016 6:53 PM

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katsucats said:
MasterHavik said:
"It's for kids." Is such a defensive argument it is insane. Basically people who use this make the claim a show can be bad as much as it wants to be if the audience is kids. Does anyone see how fucking dumb that is and shows that person has a low opinion of kids?
A lot of criticism is short hand for something else, and most people know how to read in between the lines. Sometimes the short hand is so embedded into our culture that we don't realize we're doing it. This is one of them. Of course we realize that very good works have come out of children's shows. But when we don't feel like elaborating, and because it's so reasonably common, how do we describe a show that has such a simplistic and immature narrative structure, that might lack any nuance or advocate a totally unrealistic message that banks on empty positivity? It's a show for kids.
You just fucking killed it man. Right on the mark.
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Aug 15, 2016 9:57 PM

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Always hear the old "don't like, don't watch" BS too. I honestly just accept whatever the person says and move on. No point in arguing with someone.
Aug 15, 2016 10:33 PM

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>"Don't like it, don't watch it."
A good answer to a person arguing against what you perceive to be the good part of the show, or core part of the show.
For example, when somebody says that SAO is bad because Kirito is a heroic version of common geek, this is the right answer. SAO is good because the protagonist is heroic and relatable.
When somebody says Strike Witches is bad because of fanservice, it's the right answer too.

>"It's for kids."
Another good counter-argument when the opponent expects things we don't usually show to children.
"But X should have died from that!" - no, that's a kids' show, nobody dies here.
"Why doesn't harem protagonist have sex with all the girls who surround him already?" - because it's a show for teenagers, and Japan doesn't allow showing these things to teenagers.

On_the_Lam said:
How am I supposed to know if I'm going to like a show or not if I don't continue watching it?

If you're qualified to criticize, you're going to have a rough idea of if you will like a show before you even download a single episode. After watching 1-3 episodes you should have this idea for any anime. Sure, sometimes the show gets bad as it goes on, but that's rare.
I think it's a skill people should have by about 100 titles.

Ambaradan said:
"Don't like, don't watch it" is very short for "I am not capable of showing why the show we're talking about is good because I don't know what good means".
People who often center the discussion around something they like very much tend to overestimate a show's quality upon very plain things they like naturally, the same way they are exactly shown. Love at first sight and extreme attachment. They think everything is subjective yet don't bother to defend anything and/or get mad when someone thinks the opposite because they have no knowledge about quality.

Generally, people are perfectly capable of telling you why a show is good. But only evil telepathic squid overlords from mars can force you to understand that and accept this explanation.
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Aug 15, 2016 11:19 PM

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katsucats said:
MasterHavik said:
"It's for kids." Is such a defensive argument it is insane. Basically people who use this make the claim a show can be bad as much as it wants to be if the audience is kids. Does anyone see how fucking dumb that is and shows that person has a low opinion of kids?
A lot of criticism is short hand for something else, and most people know how to read in between the lines. Sometimes the short hand is so embedded into our culture that we don't realize we're doing it. This is one of them. Of course we realize that very good works have come out of children's shows. But when we don't feel like elaborating, and because it's so reasonably common, how do we describe a show that has such a simplistic and immature narrative structure, that might lack any nuance or advocate a totally unrealistic message that banks on empty positivity? It's a show for kids.


It might be in-grained in our culture, but it's incorrect.

I've seen way more redundant, insulting and simplistic stories for adults than for kids. The mere fact 'kids' show' can't rely on cheap techniques like sex and violence for attention.
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Aug 15, 2016 11:43 PM

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Wensbane said:
It's the standard defense by people who can't properly defend their favorite shows.

If you drop the show, they'll say "You can't have an opinion since you didn't even finish it! It gets better later on!"

If you don't drop it, they'll say "How can it be so bad, when it was good enough for you to finish?"

You can't win with these people. Just submit your rating and move on.

Very few shows actually get better later on. And unless it's an ongoing, you're gonna know about it. Higurashi turns out to not be a slice-of-life. Gakkou Gurashi is a slice-of-life, but not the kind of life it seems in the first episode. There are some more examples, but none come to mind.

Anyway, people really shouldn't criticize shows that are outside of their comfort zone. If you had any trouble finishing a show, you are probably not the target audience, and your opinion is invalid. Just like a colorblind person isn't qualified to criticize paintings.
This is the essense of "don't like it - don't watch it" argument.

TheBrainintheJar said:
But how do you know if you'll like something unless you watch it?

People with anything resembling human taste have no problem with that. Just look at the genre tags. Or content tags on AniDB.
Only people who don't know what they like go "it all depends on execution".
Aug 16, 2016 2:11 PM

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flannan said:
Wensbane said:
It's the standard defense by people who can't properly defend their favorite shows.

If you drop the show, they'll say "You can't have an opinion since you didn't even finish it! It gets better later on!"

If you don't drop it, they'll say "How can it be so bad, when it was good enough for you to finish?"

You can't win with these people. Just submit your rating and move on.

Very few shows actually get better later on. And unless it's an ongoing, you're gonna know about it. Higurashi turns out to not be a slice-of-life. Gakkou Gurashi is a slice-of-life, but not the kind of life it seems in the first episode. There are some more examples, but none come to mind.

Anyway, people really shouldn't criticize shows that are outside of their comfort zone. If you had any trouble finishing a show, you are probably not the target audience, and your opinion is invalid. Just like a colorblind person isn't qualified to criticize paintings.
This is the essense of "don't like it - don't watch it" argument.

TheBrainintheJar said:
But how do you know if you'll like something unless you watch it?

People with anything resembling human taste have no problem with that. Just look at the genre tags. Or content tags on AniDB.
Only people who don't know what they like go "it all depends on execution".


Really? I was sure I'd love Parasyte - a body horror anime about talking hands with EDM? Yet it turned out to be crap.

Surprises happen.
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Aug 16, 2016 10:35 PM

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TheBrainintheJar said:
flannan said:

People with anything resembling human taste have no problem with that. Just look at the genre tags. Or content tags on AniDB.
Only people who don't know what they like go "it all depends on execution".


Really? I was sure I'd love Parasyte - a body horror anime about talking hands with EDM? Yet it turned out to be crap.

Surprises happen.

Surprises happen. I was sure I would like Mahou Sensou - a magical school battle anime. Yet it somehow didn't work.
We aren't talking about that. We are talking about people going headfirst into genres they don't like.
Aug 16, 2016 11:37 PM

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flannan said:
TheBrainintheJar said:


Really? I was sure I'd love Parasyte - a body horror anime about talking hands with EDM? Yet it turned out to be crap.

Surprises happen.

Surprises happen. I was sure I would like Mahou Sensou - a magical school battle anime. Yet it somehow didn't work.
We aren't talking about that. We are talking about people going headfirst into genres they don't like.


I think that if you already dislike a genre, you miss out on a lot. Genres tell you what may happen in an anime, but say nothing about the execution.
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