| Am I in the minority when I say I enjoy the show and think it's a 7/10 despite not watching Eclipse or Muv Luv? Learning more about the BETA seems superfluous. What merit would it serve if we knew their purpose or beyond what the show has offered? Beyond knowing they are hostile aliens, it's unnecessary to know more for the show to function and excel. The focus of the show really isn't about fighting the BETA and saving humanity. It's more about finding engagement in the interactions between the cast and the issues presented. Schwarzesmarken is essentially a drama, which puts an emphasis on how things happen as opposed to what happens. For everyone who said the pacing was off, care to explain? It seemed fine to me. My overall opinion of the show: Schwarzesmarken is an engaging plot-driven show revolving around the drama that ensues the protagonist. The ideas were good but required more time to be fully developed. The show presents too many concepts in too little time. Schwarzesmarken would have benefited greatly from a 24 episode set-up. However, for what it does, it is still an enjoyable show that outweighs its negatives. Intonsum said: The first episodes were so boring for me, but now it's getting interesting. I guess a lot of people were turned down by low expectations for this because of shitty pace in the beginning. Read the above Drobie said: Pace feels off, I don't care about any of the characters nor do I like them, I don't care about politics for these fake nations nor do I think it's as well done as people say, the fights are short and boring, the animation is average to below, the spy aspect is a bit annoying with the sister. I would say a 6 is generous. That's just me though, I have it at a 4 at the moment since it's leaning more negative than positive for me in value. The politics seems believable. I mean Germany was once under a dictatorship. I can see it happening again under such dire circumstances. The action and fights are really just a compliment for the show. The fights in particular aren't meant to thrill you. The focus is more on drama as I mentioned above. How is the spy aspect annoying? It seemed perfectly foreshadowed and pretty fitting to me. psychoalchemist said: It's probably the politics. I'm still watching and am mildly engaged, but a lot of the forced tension (especially with Gretel ugh) is insufferable. I like the fights though, and I like the concept of rebelling against a corrupt government institution, so that's why I'm still watching. The tension with Gretel doesn't seem forced. It's reasonable but just needs a bit more elaboration. Now, the tension (love) between Lise and Theodor seemed rushed. Her resentment of Irisdina and sleeping with Theodor was foreshadowing but there needed to be one concise piece of evidence as it seemed kind of unclear. For both of these characters, I would have liked to see more implicit detail. Also, the instability in the Stasi was brought up out of no where. We were never made aware of another Stasi party. Some ideas did need more development and foreshadowing for a higher score but for what it is, it's still good and functional. -Maz said: It isn't a show deserving of a higher score. Bear in mind that if you actually know how to use the 1-10 rating scale, a 6.69 score is perfectly fine. It's above-average. As for my personal issues with this anime - the politics and drama detract from it, for me. The original Muv Luv deviated from the BETA - rather than having some last-ditch war to preserve humanity, we got beach episodes, a harem and a shounen-esque battle tournament. Here in Schwarz, we're getting teen drama and some (for me) boring politics. In neither of these have the BETA been the main focus, which is counter-intuitive to the entire premise. It's one thing to have the politics and BETA having equal importance and occurring concurrently, but this is only a single cour. Neither side of this is going to get a decent amount of development. It also doesn't help that the villains are so boringly clear cut, as well. The Stasi must breathe evil, look evil, speak evil, and every action they take must be insufferably EVILLLLLLLLLL. Sigh. It doesn't feel remotely believeable. At first I found the "Cold War never officially ended" dynamic to be quite interesting, but they've absolutely butchered it. Rather than making each side seem like they have their own valid reasonings for their thinking, they've just made the Stasi seem like crazed lunatics Hell-bent on destruction and corruption. I mean, when you have massive echelons of space aliens charging towards your base, switching all your focus into undermining your political opponent makes next to zero sense. It's one thing to take advantage of the confusion; it's another entirely to completely brush aside any threat that the BETA pose. If this keeps on until the end, I'll probably end up giving this a 5/10 - I'm finding it better than Muv Luv Alternative but this is still really average and medicore. If you haven't already, read the above. The problem with the 6.69 score is that it's the MAL equivalent of 3-4/10. The BETA was never the main focus. It's more like they are part of the world building for the drama the ensues. I dare say that the show would be drastically worse if they did place a focus on the BETA. I wouldn't say it's teen drama. You can easily replace the cast with older people and say it's mature. The concepts are applicable for both ages. I think your exaggerating a bit on the Stasi. It was implied that they were corrupt but they weren't explicitly over the top evil as you suggested. You can can't consider it 'evil' if it's part of their jobs. It can only be considered so if their job was absurdly unreasonable but that is clearly not the case. They play a fundamental role in protecting the country. The Stasi do have motives behind their actions. They essentially want complete control over the government. Doesn't sound too unreasonable in the scenario provided, does it? In the first case where they arrested the officers, the 666 squad were working with the other nations so the arresting the officers wasn't detrimental. In the 2nd case where they shot the building, the threat was already almost neutralised and they were still working with the other nations so it didn't matter. Freestyle80 said: Because they like shit like Grimgar( or fanservic shit like high school dxd ) where the main cast has no idea wtf they are doing and each episode is a musical lol Yeah, Grigmar is actually good lol. People are turned off by the slow pacing but that's just subjective. The pacing is pretty appropriate for the story. I just hate Shihoru because she's a useless character. She could probably be omitted and there would be little difference. soluuloi said: To be honest, Sidonia's score is way too low. Other than than the choppy framerate of the first few episodes, it's a flawless sci-fi anime (not just mecha) but it's not even in 8-ish rank, way lower than SAO copies such as Overlord where fanboys masturbate to their fantasy of being the strongest in a game world and enjoy cliché harem of a overpowered main character. Sidonia season 1 is horrible. It's unoriginal and it's masked behind a unique setting so no one notices it. Don't you notice how cliche the story is? They are under attack by aliens. Random op protagonist appears that barely anyone knows about. Protagonist wrecks everything gaining unprecedented accomplishments. The show never deviated from that formula. Sidonia s1 was horrible. S2 was good because it went beyond that formula and brought up interesting elements. I don't even know how Aldnoah Zero has such a high score. I have it rated as 3/10. It's utter garbage. I don't believe MAL has a particular bias against mecha. They know most of them are bad but that doesn't affect their opinion. |
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Drobie said: sadpwner said: The politics seems believable. I mean Germany was once under a dictatorship. I can see it happening again under such dire circumstances. The action and fights are really just a compliment for the show. The fights in particular aren't meant to thrill you. The focus is more on drama as I mentioned above. How is the spy aspect annoying? It seemed perfectly foreshadowed and pretty fitting to me. The politics are bland with basic details. If the action doesn't compliment the show .If they are not meant to thrill me, they are useless, which makes the show worse. Spy stuff is fine if it's done well. The spy was obvious which makes it annoying.You say "foreshadowed" but it's more like blatantly obvious lazy storytelling with black and white characters. The politics is basic but it's fine as it as. I don't see merit in making it overly detailed and complex. The viewers just need to understand the state of the country to follow the plot. The action does compliment the show though. I worded that wrong. The action isn't meant to be 'bad ass' was what I meant to say. I would have to agree with your final statement. The characters are pretty basic, but the show is way more plot-driven then it is character. We just need them to be consistent. Yes, the show would be better if they had more time to go over the characters but for what the show has so far, it's worth 6.6/10 IMO which rounds up to 7. Btw, I've only seen up to ep 9. |
| Well, a lot of the time it feels like they are being dark and edgy for shock value, as well as the fact that it's part of the Muv-Luv universe and people who didn't read the VNs aren't as likely to understand what's going on. Then there's the fact that it wasn't well adapted and the pacing seems to be off. |
Drobie said: CynicalBritannia said: I don't think Erased is nearly as good as people praise it to be, however I could never understand setting as a 1 other than the fact that you are letting the praise affect your scoring a judging it solely on the idea of countering. Same thing you're currently doing with Schwarzesmarken. However if you plan to change it I guess it's all moot anyway.Eh, ratings on an unfinished anime means nothing o_o -- people just do it for the heck of it, and cannot be taken seriously. I'd probably rate 8-9 for Schwarzesmarken and 6-8 for Erased, depending on how both series ends. Erased don't have anything really anymore to explain for its bullshit based on source material other than put us into lala land, but if the anime original pulls something unexpected -- well let's see. I can't vote it out of my liking for Kayo and Saturu's mom alone, the story functions as a whole after all! He used extreme scores to tip the average score more closely to what he considered correct. They aren't his true scores. Drobie said: Seeing your question being what it originally was, the way you scored it, you should know exactly why it's scored in the 6 range. Not really, like I said, 6/10 for MAL is the equivalent of 3-4/10 if you were to use the whole scale. I've given it a 6.6 momentarily which should translate to an average of 7.6-8 on MAL. |
Not really, let's have a look at your scores. I randomly selected a few popular shows of your list. You gave D.Gray-man a 6. Mal gave it an 8.2. You gave Soul eater a 6. Mal gave it an 8.11. You gave Deadman Wonderland a 6. Mal gave Deadman Wonderland a 7.54. See the trend? MAL is generally 1-2 points higher than a person who rates from 0-10. |
Drobie said: I understand what you are saying and tend to agree in general. But when most things range in a 7 for the majority and it goes down to a 6, I don't think you can look at it as drastically as a 3-4. At best I would drag it down to a 5 for the average person who takes the whole scale seriously. I just have it lower because it actively annoyed me a few times. Alright then, back to your list we go. Once again, I randomly selected popular shows. You gave Nabari no Ou a 4. MAL gave it a 7.47. You gave Blood-C a 3. MAL gave it a 6.74. You gave School days a 3. MAL gave it a 6.26. It's my bad partially that I didn't mention that the difference from a 6 and a 7 on MAL is drastic. Shows only receive the 6-7 score when MAL thinks it's horrendous. |
Drobie said: sadpwner said: Alright then, back to your list we go. Once again, I randomly selected popular shows. You gave Nabari no Ou a 4. MAL gave it a 7.47. You gave Blood-C a 3. MAL gave it a 6.74. You gave School days a 3. MAL gave it a 6.26. It's my bad partially that I didn't mention that the difference from a 6 and a 7 on MAL is drastic. Shows only receive the 6-7 score when MAL thinks it's horrendous. This isn't proving your point to me. I still think you are effectively looking at this wrong. Those shows were terrible and got decent scores overall and most who rate on a 1-10 I know rated them higher than me so.. . Those three you chose are terrible examples. But we are just going to have to agree to disagree cause we obviously look at how MAL works differently. Point overall being I think this show is placed where it should be either way. It's nothing special. But you like it and that's just fine and good. Not everything you like is going to be popular with the general audience. It has "such a low score" because others think more negatively than positively about it. It's that simple. No, we don't have to agree to disagree. We can get to bottom of this easily as long as you keep answering. Be rational and don't avoid the question. I used you as a reference point because you agree with your own scores. By denying the use of yourself as a reference point, you are basically saying your scores are inaccurate. most who rate on a 1-10 I know rated them higher than me so.. . Who might they be? I'll use them too then. Also, the opposite can be said, there are people who rate lower than you as well. For example, when we compare our shared means, my average is 0.8 points lower than yours. How do you know you rate lower than most people? That's just a guess based on the people you've met. Why are the examples terrible? In addition, tell me what I should pick so I can fit your criteria. Point overall being I think this show is placed where it should be either way. It's nothing special. But you like it and that's just fine and good. Not everything you like is going to be popular with the general audience. It has "such a low score" because others think more negatively than positively about it. It's that simple. Irrelevant in our current discussion. |
@sadpwner My ratings are not inaccurate, your chosen examples the second time were. At this point you are nitpicking and going after an entirely different point than your thread. You want to delve deeper feel free to pm me. Don't imply I am not being rational. It's not going to make me interested in discussing my opinion with you. My final point wasn't irrelevant seeing as that's the point of this thread. Edit: a word |
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| Because it lacks "MLA" in the MAL title, so MAL purists are angry that they can't further promote the website due to the series' acronym's similarity to MAL, and therefore downvote it like crazy. #trufax OT: I think it's just the regular underappreciation for titles with no particular pedigree staff-wise, even with the big franchise it is attached to. I personally liked it more than I expected, as a standalone and barring the comparison with the VNs. |
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CynicalBritannia said: I must've sounded vague there when I mentioned staff, but yep, I was referring to the relative unpopularity of the studio and immediate staff behind it, not particularly the VAs. I personally still find the animation for this better than Satellight's Total Eclipse, though...They should've focused on animation budget instead of going for celebs really. Anime Beatrix can be voiced by any evil sounding milf and it would be just fine. ==; |
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sadpwner said: His squad just happens to be filled with girls which is plausible. ... Please. Spare me. |
hansuchan said: sadpwner said: His squad just happens to be filled with girls which is plausible. ... Please. Spare me. ???? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief_bias |
CynicalBritannia said: Drobie said: The game might be fun and great, but that won't change the fact that the anime is lacking. My point to even bring it up is you tend to discredit others because they don't share your opinion. Unlike OP who is generally curious you just seem like a fanboy. Just gonna straighten this out -- I'm talking about me having played the main trilogy. I've played Schwarzesmarken's first game but that's untranslated and I could only understand some of the Japanese I've studied thus far. I've no idea how the 2nd half of Schwarzesmarken VN would compare to the anime since it's not out yet, so all episodes 6 to 11 are actually new to me. Muv-Luv is also set in Japan while Schwarzesmarken's on Germany -- so there are a whole bunch of terms I'm unfamiliar with. Muv-Luv fans are 50/50 iffy/happy with this series, and I'm helping OP comprehend why it's possibly ranked down like how other people assume it's bad with no further explanations. Everything I've said below at the "==============" is meant as a generalization/theory like what others do -- saying reasons without much explanations and moving on, and you were just coincidentally quoted along with it. So it was not meant specifically for you alone at all. Yet you made a comeback and justify when I thought you already posted the deadhorse gif like I thought you were leaving already pretty soon. In case you didn't know -- A/Z's one of the top trainwreck trash (along with Valvrave, Guilty Clown etc), and that fact's known quite well in the community like some stated above. But you gave it a 7 and 5 respectively! How can you ask people to just ignore that? Pal this is just childish Calling me a fanboy isn't. Okay xD Anyway, what's bothering me really is you're giving Schwarzesmarken very critical analysis about its plot, politics and whatsoever like you're trying to sound you care so deep enough for the legitimacy/realism and believable characters, but that instantly goes down the drain when people see your scoring for lala landia story mecha anime where things happen just because. Can I just disagree with you that this is lower than A/Z and we can just leave it at that? Unless you're finding our conversations productive at this point. Hey fellow Muv-Luv mate, let's not go any further than that cuz he doesn't really know too much about the franchise, so let's leave it at that. animevortexNG said: Unfortunately, all of this is lacking from the anime most likely because it's only 12 episodes and also because its to act as a both a recap and a bridge from the 1st VN to the 2nd VN, which releases sometime after the anime finishes airing. It's not designed to tell the whole story, but it's also neutered with the short amount of episodes it has to tell everything else. Overall, it has the most important plotpoint, and wanting it more of these instead of non-important plot that are waste of episodes. Exactly, the novel are meant to tell the whole story as there are way more backstories for each characters, that's what anime are used to advertise and get ppl interest in the original source. Let's just say like Akame ga KILL anime is one used as an advertisement for the manga. |
planetwarrior said: I mean as long as it's about the 11 episodes aired I am plenty knowledgeable and that's the only thing that matters here. Hey fellow Muv-Luv mate, let's not go any further than that cuz he doesn't really know too much about the franchise, so let's leave it at that. I see what you meant. |
m8, is this b8? Grimgar it's the most realistic RPG-themed anime ever existed. The team could barely kill a goblin. And they've teached us how to beat them. Goblin slayer simulator 2016. yah 'teached' us that how all the nubs think in the mmos i played, amirite? srsly speaking though, this genre is not supposed to be 'realistic' and it aint realistic as to how dense the main cast can be at times, look at the other guy who started off at the same time as them and look where he ended up |
toasterstrudel said: Muv-Luv fan here, apologies if what I say has already been said in thread or seems trite and common knowledge. MAL has an anti-mecha bias lesser known shows tend to get watched by people who give harsher scores than the average MAL user. MAL ratings are largely meaningless. I can understand where non-VN readers are coming from given that I didn't like Fate UBW having not read the VN, but anyone watching this without having read Muv-Luv is doing themselves a disservice. Schwarzesmarken is at a 6-7 for me on a 10 point scale. Definitly helps to enjoy alot more, when you are a fan of the VN series. Also, a 6-7 isnt a bad score at all, that would have to be around 4. |
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| Yes at first I was like why the low score until the first few episodes. This is shit compared to muv-luv total eclispe which was WAY much better. bland story, lack of character and action is lacking |
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animevortexNG said: Wrong, that is also shit as well. Muv-luv Extra/Unlimited/Alternative, as main trilogy are 50x better than Total Eclipse, and are 20x better than Schwarzesmarken. If you're talking bout overall series between the 2, Schwarzesmarken beats the shit out of Total Eclipse in terms of storyline, character development, and unexpected actions by 30x more. Well I haven't played the other series which I am talking about the anime series. Care to explain why the story is better since from what I have seen is rushed,character blandness and the unexpected actions was predictable. I like how Total Eclipse had some slice of life moments as well as action. In addition, The annoying characters in this series just even makes it unbearable but I can still endure |
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| So much shit flinging. I enjoyed both TE and Schwarzesmarken. Now I do agree Schwarzesmarken is quite underrated, and I'm surprised it's slightly below a 7 at this point. But hey, all that matters is whether you enjoy it or not. I disagree with ratings on this site quite often. |
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