Nose_Bleed said: and you'd need to get to like JLPT N2 or N1 to read it properly Not even close. N1 assumes your knowledge of about 2,1k kanji and some 12k lexemes (unless there have been some changes in those past few years), which is a substantial base that should allow you to read easier visual novels without having to look up every third word. Dies Irae, meanwhile, has almost 2,8k unique kanji in its script, and features extremely difficult passages that incorporate made-up words, older forms of Japanese, and highly literary language. The gap between Dies Irae and most romcom visual novels is as big as the one between a young-adult novel (Hunger Games, or whatever's popular these days) and a book by Neal Stephenson. There are other visual novels that use even more difficult language (the Astelight series, just to name one), but Dies Irae uses so many gimmicks and plays with language so freely that it would take a veteran translator who worked with actual prose to expect the translation to be at least decent. If someone who isn't a Japanese native speaker tells you that they read Dies Irae they most definitely lie. Or just skimmed over the veneer. Or perhaps used a text hooker with machine translation software. There are very few people who would be able to read Dies Irae in the proper meaning of reading which is not breezing through the text and registering a tenth of its content, but processing and understanding all (or most) of it. Nose_Bleed said: adly, knowing the current anime industry, this adaptation will likely suck a lot, but one can always stay positive I guess. No need to. I have yet to see a good vn adaptation (Clannad AS was pretty good, fine), and if they fail miserably with simple titles then I dare doubt that a fairly complex scenario would yield anything decent. |
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| I bet Worm is jizzing himself at the news. Oh well Will see how it turns out. The idea of nazi focused story does not exactly attract me. |
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Lackluster said: If someone who isn't a Japanese native speaker tells you that they read Dies Irae they most definitely lie. Or just skimmed over the veneer. Or perhaps used a text hooker with machine translation software. There are very few people who would be able to read Dies Irae in the proper meaning of reading which is not breezing through the text and registering a tenth of its content, but processing and understanding all (or most) of it Have you actually read it? This used to be my impression of the game's difficulty, and then I went and read it and didn't find it even remotely close to the difficulty that most people hold it to. You most certainly do not need to be a "native speaker" to understand Dies Irae. Kanji count is also a pretty poor indication of difficulty. Oretsuba (according to this site) has more unique kanji in it than Dies Irae. Does that mean Oretsuba is more difficult? Absolutely not. Hell, I wouldn't even consider Oretsuba "difficult" period unless you struggle with slang. There are certainly some challenging parts in Dies Irae -- namely Reinhard's and Mercurius' dialogue, and maybe Kain's chants which only encompass about 5 or 10 lines in the entire game-- but I don't see why anyone would struggle with the language if they've read any other chuuni game before. If there is any particular difficulty to Dies Irae, it's in the concepts - not the language. |
VeroninDec 20, 2015 2:22 PM
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Veronin said: Lackluster said: If someone who isn't a Japanese native speaker tells you that they read Dies Irae they most definitely lie. Or just skimmed over the veneer. Or perhaps used a text hooker with machine translation software. There are very few people who would be able to read Dies Irae in the proper meaning of reading which is not breezing through the text and registering a tenth of its content, but processing and understanding all (or most) of it Have you actually read it? This used to be my impression of the game's difficulty, and then I went and read it and didn't find it even remotely close to the difficulty that most people hold it to. You most certainly do not need to be a "native speaker" to understand Dies Irae. Kanji count is also a pretty poor indication of difficulty. Oretsuba (according to this site) has more unique kanji in it than Dies Irae. Does that mean Oretsuba is more difficult? Absolutely not. Hell, I wouldn't even consider Oretsuba "difficult" period unless you struggle with slang. There are certainly some challenging parts in Dies Irae -- namely Reinhard's and Mercurius' dialogue, and maybe Kain's chants which only encompass about 5 or 10 lines in the entire game-- but I don't see why anyone would struggle with the language if they've read any other chuuni game before. If there is any particular difficulty to Dies Irae, it's in the concepts - not the language. I remember having a bash at it right after I finished the core10k anki deck. I bounced off both quickly and harshly; partially due to Dies Irae being way too chuuni for my tolerance levels, and more importantly due to the lingual barrier that I then found to be too much to cope with. I might have another go at it, just to see how I'd fare this time, but it's just not my genre. The number of unique kanji instances can hardly be used to gauge the text's difficulty, I agree. I never said anything about their relationship, but rather pointed out that the N1 (not to even mention N2) guidelines encompass considerably fewer kanji than used in the game's script. The better indication of difficulty would be the relation of the kanji count and the script's length (both Dies Irae and Oretsuba are fairly long, hence more opportunities for a new kanji to pop out). And yet the language is connected to the concepts and ideas. No matter how simple English would be used in the Simulation Argument theory, it would still be difficult to understand even when the singled-out words were all perfectly understandable. You could apply the framework of critical discourse analysis to that, but it'd still boil down to the fact that complex ideas expressed in layman's terms are still difficult to wrap your head around. Three years ago I was impressed with the language in Dies Irae, and you're really making me want to give it a whirl once again :) |
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| Hopefully it's not forgotten later. |
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| This does certainly sound interesting, will definitely give it a try once it's out. |
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| Yet another untranslated VN getting adapted. Not particularly bothered, this particular genre of VN is almost never good, and looking at the thematic contents of this one, it doesn't seem any different. Very low-brow though, likely to find its way into mainstream, so it should at least be profitable. Earlier comments about literary style aside, the setting and premise does have a strong hint of creative bankruptcy and derivation. |
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| Lolis and nazis, good. |
10th_man_down said: Lobke said: Remind me again when where in 2017. |
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| holy shit best news?! just noticed this now, sry if I'm late.. if they fuck this up I'm going to be so mad... the problem is how many episodes this will get, at the very least it needs to be 2cour... at best more than that :x sooo excited, I hope this will have an awesome OST as well! |
| can i borrow this ill put all credits to MOL and u :) |
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| This visual novel is pretty bad. Generic and cliche. But fucking Reinhard Heydrich and Karl Kraft... those two are the only reason I'm even going to put up with this cringe.  |
Mfw I just noticed this I love you too, Fai Learning Japanese literally just for this and Sakura no Uta |
| hmm, this looks interesting. So did they say when in 2017? |
| pretty characters!o= <3 |
| Looks interesting, so I'm probably gonna watch this. |
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