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Dec 10, 2015 10:51 AM

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Baitdragon16 said:
Guess I was just disappointed after HF when I realized that Archer never used NLBW in UBW .
why would he even use it. the result is in no way shape or form worth the cost. effeciency > GAR. Kanshou and bakuya are some of the shittiest NP's around but they're also spammable and wholey cost effective for archer to use. caladbolg 2 has the ability to bypass defenses already no need in paying more for something that can hurt you just for an ability that is pretty redundant against most servants.
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Maloghurst said:
Baitdragon16 said:
Guess I was just disappointed after HF when I realized that Archer never used NLBW in UBW .
why would he even use it. the result is in no way shape or form worth the cost. effeciency > GAR. Kanshou and bakuya are some of the shittiest NP's around but they're also spammable and wholey cost effective for archer to use.

Has it been explained anywhere why he likes to use Kanshou and Bakuya so much? Why not a nameless sword or something else?
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CherryLover said:
Maloghurst said:
why would he even use it. the result is in no way shape or form worth the cost. effeciency > GAR. Kanshou and bakuya are some of the shittiest NP's around but they're also spammable and wholey cost effective for archer to use.

Has it been explained anywhere why he likes to use Kanshou and Bakuya so much? Why not a nameless sword or something else?
i dont recall if there is any real explanation so much a just couple of flavor text. kanshou and bakuya in terms of named NP are pretty low end because they dont really have any legendary exploits tied to them, no wielder. the legend behind them is about them being crafted by a chinese blacksmith, which is very fitting for archer seeing how his power is blacksmithing. due to K&B not having any wielder tied to them Archer relies purely on his own skill when using them, as also fitting for his character to work hard to acheive his results.
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Maloghurst said:
CherryLover said:

Has it been explained anywhere why he likes to use Kanshou and Bakuya so much? Why not a nameless sword or something else?
i dont recall if there is any real explanation so much a just couple of flavor text. kanshou and bakuya in terms of named NP are pretty low end because they dont really have any legendary exploits tied to them, no wielder. the legend behind them is about them being crafted by a chinese blacksmith, which is very fitting for archer seeing how his power is blacksmithing. due to K&B not having any wielder tied to them Archer relies purely on his own skill when using them, as also fitting for his character to work hard to acheive his results.

This. Also, they have no pride as swords, which fits Archer's fighting style very well. That, and he can Crane Wing people with their special attraction ability.
Dec 10, 2015 2:12 PM

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Can the Golden Ending only be unlocked in the Realta Nua version ?
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Dec 10, 2015 2:15 PM

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Baitdragon16 said:
Can the Golden Ending only be unlocked in the Realta Nua version ?


You mean Last Episode? Yes. The original F/SN didn't have it.
Dec 10, 2015 2:18 PM

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OneTrueBaita said:
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Can the Golden Ending only be unlocked in the Realta Nua version ?


You mean Last Episode? Yes. The original F/SN didn't have it.


Was it added by Nasu or just something the producers threw together ?
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Dec 10, 2015 2:20 PM

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Baitdragon16 said:
OneTrueBaita said:


You mean Last Episode? Yes. The original F/SN didn't have it.


Was it added by Nasu or just something the producers threw together ?


Nasu. It's canon too, despite what Fai would claim.
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Dec 10, 2015 4:08 PM

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the longevity of this subforum......as the 29th anscestor it's reality marble is the second coming of hte beast lair
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Maloghurst said:
the longevity of this subforum......as the 29th anscestor it's reality marble is the second coming of hte beast lair

lol Pretty much. I think we owe that revival to Emiya's glorious fic.
Only Shinji can be responsible for such a feat.
Dec 13, 2015 10:02 AM

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Archer vs Gilgamesh .

A serious Gilgamesh .I know this has been asked by but I'm gonna ask anyways .
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Dec 13, 2015 10:03 AM

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Serious Gil uses Ea. Bye Archer.
Dec 13, 2015 10:16 AM

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or GOB will spam divine constructs which Archer can't copy.
Dec 13, 2015 6:55 PM

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Baitdragon16 said:
Archer vs Gilgamesh .

A serious Gilgamesh .I know this has been asked by but I'm gonna ask anyways .
Serious Gil can take on 30% Arc, archer's getting his ass reammed. Archer's Gradation Air cannot keep up with GoB. Unlimited blade works is a 10 count spell (not to mention an extremely expensive one) Archer would have to somehow manage to live long enough to deploy it AND not have it get blown away by EA which is not very likely in the realm of happening w/ serious gil. of course "serious gil" is an ooc gil the only time "serious gil" was in character for him was when he was young. young gilgamesh is considered virtually unstoppable.
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How necessary is melty blood to enjoy carnival phantasm ?
Dec 14, 2015 4:40 AM

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Rogue0022 said:
How necessary is melty blood to enjoy carnival phantasm ?


I've only read FSN but I laughed my ass out of CP.
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Rogue0022 said:
How necessary is melty blood to enjoy carnival phantasm ?

You'll enjoy about 70% of it, if you haven't played/read the Melty Blood game/manga.
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astroprogs said:
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How necessary is melty blood to enjoy carnival phantasm ?
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You&#039;ll enjoy about 70% of it, if you haven&#039;t played/read the Melty Blood game/manga.


Is The Melty blood translated ?
Dec 14, 2015 7:12 AM

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Rogue0022 said:
astroprogs said:
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You&#039;ll enjoy about 70% of it, if you haven&#039;t played/read the Melty Blood game/manga.


Is The Melty blood translated ?

Both the game and the manga, yes. Tsukihime is recommended before MB, though.
If playing both is a hassle, both mangas should be worthy substitutes.
Dec 14, 2015 8:29 AM

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Where can I get hollow ataxaria ?
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astroprogs said:
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Is The Melty blood translated ?
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Both the game and the manga, yes. Tsukihime is recommended before MB, though.<br />
If playing both is a hassle, both mangas should be worthy substitutes.

I already read the Tsuki VN,guess I know what I Will be doing now
Dec 15, 2015 7:15 AM

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Baitdragon16 said:
Where can I get hollow ataxaria ?

Since things moved on to the next page before I got an answer .
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Dec 15, 2015 8:08 AM

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Baitdragon16 said:
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Where can I get hollow ataxaria ?

Since things moved on to the next page before I got an answer .

Check a site that sounds like a cat. Failing that, it's on BL.
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I tried Meow.com and couldn't find a thing. TM fans FAIL.

Dec 15, 2015 9:47 AM

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astroprogs said:
I tried Meow.com and couldn't find a thing. TM fans FAIL.



I need that patch so much D:

Imagine voice-acting in the Saber bra scene~
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OneTrueBaita said:
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Since things moved on to the next page before I got an answer .

Check a site that sounds like a cat. Failing that, it's on BL.

Cat ?Hat ?Bat ?
*looks down*
Oh meow .
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Dec 17, 2015 4:27 PM

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Does F/GO have a story ?
Dec 17, 2015 4:28 PM

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Rogue0022 said:
Does F/GO have a story ?

Yes, but I ragequitted before I finished Chapter 1 because of bad gacha luck, so I can't tell you what it's about :o
Dec 17, 2015 4:36 PM
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Rogue0022 said:
Does F/GO have a story ?


I'm told it does, I'm also told it's about as good as you would expect from a mobile game.

It's mostly just memes as excuses for you to be able to collect a lesbian army.
Dec 18, 2015 9:13 AM

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WrongPriest said:
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Does F/GO have a story ?


I'm told it does, I'm also told it's about as good as you would expect from a mobile game.

It's mostly just memes as excuses for you to be able to collect a lesbian army.


The events contain most of the memes.

The actual chapters,less so,from what I can tell.
Dec 19, 2015 8:28 AM

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Rogue0022 said:
Does F/GO have a story ?


Yes, Okeanos (the fourth storyline chapter) was pretty interesting tbf
Dec 21, 2015 1:33 AM
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Unlimited Blade Works true power?

*SPOILERS*





Q1. Hi we all know that UBW is basically creating a Reality Marble that contains an infinite amount of swords. Gate of Babylon (GoB) is basically a NP spammer, and when in UBW Archer can do the same. So since thats the case why couldnt Archer beat Herc in Fate route? If he just spammed NPs as Broken Phantasms in UBW it would have the same effect as GoB (cept for Enkidu)

Q2. What did Shirou mean when he said UBW cannot compete with normal servants? Since its ability to spam swords is same as GoB's (and we know how powerful that is) , shouldnt Archer be able to deal with most servants easily as well?

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Dec 22, 2015 4:25 AM

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1. IIRC he had been injured before by Saber earlier on meaning that he couldn't use his NP completely .I'd also add that he was cut off from mana supply from his master but since he could still cast UBW without one in the UBW Route I'm not too sure .Honestly it just feels like a plot device to me .

2. It might be a different case for Archer but Shirou's control over many weapons still isn't enough to give him victory over other servants since their skill and enhanced stats mean that humans can barely do much against them .Tbh I don't get the reasoning completely but the excuse given is that since they've mastered their weapons to the utmost limit he can't hope to match them unless it's Gil who hasn't mastered any single weapon .I wonder why it isn't the same for Gil .

I have my own question for anyone reading this .

I want to get the VN Realta Nua version .Does it play on PC ?Where can I get it ?Also my current version has in its track play list some songs with 'Realta Nua' put next to them but when I look at the flow chart I don't see any extra endings .
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Dec 22, 2015 5:44 AM

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Baitdragon16 said:

I have my own question for anyone reading this .

I want to get the VN Realta Nua version .Does it play on PC ?Where can I get it ?Also my current version has in its track play list some songs with 'Realta Nua' put next to them but when I look at the flow chart I don't see any extra endings .


It's been a while since I played Fate, but...Realta Nua should only have one extra ending: Last Episode. That is unlocked when you beat all three routes. The original flowchart should apply to Realta Nua.
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CherryLover said:
Baitdragon16 said:

I have my own question for anyone reading this .

I want to get the VN Realta Nua version .Does it play on PC ?Where can I get it ?Also my current version has in its track play list some songs with 'Realta Nua' put next to them but when I look at the flow chart I don't see any extra endings .


It's been a while since I played Fate, but...Realta Nua should only have one extra ending: Last Episode. That is unlocked when you beat all three routes. The original flowchart should apply to Realta Nua.

What happened to the 'superhero ending' ?Am I missing something somewhere?
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Baitdragon16 said:
What happened to the 'superhero ending' ?Am I missing something somewhere?

RN offers only 'Last Episode' as an extra ending and a continuation of the Fate route. The 'Superhero' ending was always a part of the original VN as a possible bad end in HF.
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Baitdragon16 said:
CherryLover said:


It's been a while since I played Fate, but...Realta Nua should only have one extra ending: Last Episode. That is unlocked when you beat all three routes. The original flowchart should apply to Realta Nua.

What happened to the 'superhero ending' ?Am I missing something somewhere?


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^Thanks Cherry .

Another question .
So like how do they keep everything secret and all .In UBW there were servants going at it in the graveyard .You'd think that the noise would wake someone up .HF also had a huge thingy (I don't know how to describe it) stretching up into the sky at the end .Do people just ignore it or ...........
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Baitdragon16 said:
^Thanks Cherry .

Another question .
So like how do they keep everything secret and all .In UBW there were servants going at it in the graveyard .You'd think that the noise would wake someone up .HF also had a huge thingy (I don't know how to describe it) stretching up into the sky at the end .Do people just ignore it or ...........


For the most part, I know Kirei and the Church had a hand in covering up Grail War battles. There might be more to it, but I don't remember off the top of my head.
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Shiza-sennin said:
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^Thanks Cherry .

Another question .
So like how do they keep everything secret and all .In UBW there were servants going at it in the graveyard .You'd think that the noise would wake someone up .HF also had a huge thingy (I don't know how to describe it) stretching up into the sky at the end .Do people just ignore it or ...........


For the most part, I know Kirei and the Church had a hand in covering up Grail War battles. There might be more to it, but I don't remember off the top of my head.


The Church covers up most of the problems the War causes. They can also wipe their memories of witnessing such incidents if they don't wish to kill off the witnesses.
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Baitdragon16 said:
^Thanks Cherry .

Another question .
So like how do they keep everything secret and all .In UBW there were servants going at it in the graveyard .You'd think that the noise would wake someone up .HF also had a huge thingy (I don't know how to describe it) stretching up into the sky at the end .Do people just ignore it or ...........
apart of kirei's job as moderator is to run damage control. the church deploys it's agents to run mind wiping, and crontrol the authorities the mages also occsionaly wipe people's memories also.

other examples of the church employing mass mindwiping/hypnosis is in tsukihime. a church agent had inserted themselves into the lives of the people in the town and dissapeared without anyone even realising that person existed.
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Maloghurst said:
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^Thanks Cherry .

Another question .
So like how do they keep everything secret and all .In UBW there were servants going at it in the graveyard .You'd think that the noise would wake someone up .HF also had a huge thingy (I don't know how to describe it) stretching up into the sky at the end .Do people just ignore it or ...........
apart of kirei's job as moderator is to run damage control. the church deploys it's agents to run mind wiping, and crontrol the authorities the mages also occsionaly wipe people's memories also.

other examples of the church employing mass mindwiping/hypnosis is in tsukihime. a church agent had inserted themselves into the lives of the people in the town and dissapeared without anyone even realising that person existed.


Prillya also gives a good example of that:
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PrimeraLuka said:
Unlimited Blade Works true power?

*SPOILERS*





Q1. Hi we all know that UBW is basically creating a Reality Marble that contains an infinite amount of swords. Gate of Babylon (GoB) is basically a NP spammer, and when in UBW Archer can do the same. So since thats the case why couldnt Archer beat Herc in Fate route? If he just spammed NPs as Broken Phantasms in UBW it would have the same effect as GoB (cept for Enkidu)

Q2. What did Shirou mean when he said UBW cannot compete with normal servants? Since its ability to spam swords is same as GoB's (and we know how powerful that is) , shouldnt Archer be able to deal with most servants easily as well?

Thanks

Hii Mr./Miss WrongPriest.
I will try to answer your questions since I believe more explanation can be given in that answer given by Baitdragon 16
Q.1 - this answer is given nicely by dragon. The main reason is the wound as well as the fact that broken phantasm are one rank lower. So Archer will have a tougher time killing Berserker. Needless to say, He DID manage to kill Berserker 6 times. Also interestingly, this point is more upto speculation as we are NOT shown this fight even in visual novel. So it's upto imagination :)
Q2
You kind of answered your own question in a way. Archer CAN kill servants with UBW ( but spawning UBW is a tad bit harder than GOB as it is a reality marble which first require a chanting . It is THE ultimate resort with Archer when all else ( his numerous broken phantasms, his bow and of course the Kanshou and Bakou and the fighting experience he has) fails. GOB is a noble phantasm which doesnt require any 'big chant' and interestingly it is THE bread and butter of Gilgamesh.)
Now we come to Shirou. First of all, Shirou is a HUMAN . The only reason Shirou was able to cast UBW was due to Rin's mana and believe me, Rin is a freaking beast when it comes to mana derived from generations ( more like her family Tohsaka is a VERY prominent mage family). Hence Shirou was able to cast UBW
Now here is the fun part. Even with UBW activated and swords going here and there, Shirou's perception, reflexes and everything else is basically human. So he cant counter attack efficiently even with hundreds of sword with him. Also a servant has his noble phantasm MASTERED which means that if Shirou takes out same sword to counter it, that servant can beat Shirou as a weapon's usage matters alot. Shirou with his human abilities just cant take up a servant who has mastered his /her weapon properly ( He WOULD be able to fight decently and heck even inflict a good wound but winning may not be 100%)
With Gil, it's a different story as Gil spams swords and being a servant can throw swords with more power.
With Shirou Gil gets problem as his swords are countered as they both basically 'throw' swords and not 'use' them. Gil uses only 1 sword- EA and shirou exhibited intelligence by cutting the arm
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No. Shirou will eventually be able to do UBW on his own. You don't need to be a servant to use a reality marble. He already can cast it by his own at the end of UBW, he simply would not be able to maintain it for long enough time needed to fight Gilgamesh.

Also no, Archer casting UBW would not do much good against anyone. Even GIlgamesh would have ways to counter it(since he would not be fighting a human boy). Anyone else would most likely murder Archer before he gets to cast it and even if he casts it, they would still outclass him and in technique and stats and just rush him to death.
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Oh yeah I've read in someone's post (on this site) that sword spamming is free in UBW .I thought the cost of using the swords was added to the cost of maintaining it .

Did I miss something somewhere ?
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Baitdragon16 said:
Oh yeah I've read in someone's post (on this site) that sword spamming is free in UBW .I thought the cost of using the swords was added to the cost of maintaining it .

Did I miss something somewhere ?

It's free, excluding the maintenance cost of the RM itself, but if Shirou projects swords in UBW after they are broken, it becomes costly.
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Oh yeah I've read in someone's post (on this site) that sword spamming is free in UBW .I thought the cost of using the swords was added to the cost of maintaining it .

Did I miss something somewhere ?


As long as its inside his reality marble, its free.

The mana cost is literally about wrestling with the planet itself to maintain it(basically the World denies anything that is not part of its reality as "impossible" and tries to crush it)
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Fai said:
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Oh yeah I've read in someone's post (on this site) that sword spamming is free in UBW .I thought the cost of using the swords was added to the cost of maintaining it .

Did I miss something somewhere ?


As long as its inside his reality marble, its free.

The mana cost is literally about wrestling with the planet itself to maintain it(basically the World denies anything that is not part of its reality as "impossible" and tries to crush it)


If he projects something within the reality marble that wasn't there (due to it being destroyed, etc reasons) however, there is a cost. Just pointing this detail out.
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Since he's such a good faker can archer copy Tsubame Gaeshi ?
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