Noragami: Stray God
Akabawi said: Yes it's a cultural difference nothing more , if in the middle east happens to have a movie where the church is depicted as something evil , Christians in that said country would outrage and do way more than this . When people don't understand the cultural differences they go apeshit and insult others. Also they asked , they didn't threaten , people are taking this way too hard , it was a demand from some vocal minority , not a fucking dick . I understand what you mean. I wouldn't say that's nothing more than a cultural difference though. Religion does get in the way of rational thinking, so this kind of stuff can be a little worrisome at times. For example, some people are actually offended by the theory of evolution because it goes against creationism. That's a serious issue in a modern society where knowledge is the foundation of everything. Yet, it's not exactly different from what's happening right now if you think about it - people just think creationism is "sacred", just like this chant seems to be for the muslim. Some people think everything in the bible is sacred, which is a book full of hatred towards women, homossexuals, other religions, etc. Yes, taking offense at this isn't much of an issue, but that's because it happens to be similar to other cultural differences. The thing is, those who are bothered by this sort of thing may not be that different from those who disregard well-established facts because of religion. I think that's what's bothering some people, even if they're blowing the whole thing out of proportion. It's not like this kind of thing doesn't worry me to be honest. I don't really care about this particular issue per se, but the truth is I do despise religion for the reasons stated above. I don't mean to judge people for feeling disrespected by something like this, but this does make me shake my head in disbelief and my dislike for religion grow further. |
FlamepriesTDec 5, 2015 11:33 AM
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| I'm muslim ,i listened "EZAN(adhan or whatever you guys say)" 5 times per day for 20+ years...And before they mentioned this whole censoring thing i never even realized the similarity... Sad but muslim countries are not the best places to have an open mind...I'm living in Turkey which is the most "western" muslim country and even here we have shit tons of censoring everywhere...They don't only censor media here,they censor minds of people...They censor education which leads to creating people with broken values and blind beliefs... I hate that part of the religion,everyone loses their ability to think rationally when someone mentions something religious...Why is some music reminding "ezan" is something bad?I don't get it...When some architect builds a building after getting inspired by a mosque its ok but when someone makes a cartoon soundtrack everyone goes crazy =_= |
LoneWizzyDec 5, 2015 12:52 PM
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FlamepriesT said: Akabawi said: Yes it's a cultural difference nothing more , if in the middle east happens to have a movie where the church is depicted as something evil , Christians in that said country would outrage and do way more than this . When people don't understand the cultural differences they go apeshit and insult others. Also they asked , they didn't threaten , people are taking this way too hard , it was a demand from some vocal minority , not a fucking dick . I understand what you mean. I wouldn't say that's nothing more than a cultural difference though. Religion does get in the way of rational thinking, so this kind of stuff can be a little worrisome at times. For example, some people are actually offended by the theory of evolution because it goes against creationism. That's a serious issue in a modern society where knowledge is the foundation of everything. Yet, it's not exactly different from what's happening right now if you think about it - people just think creationism is "sacred", just like this chant seems to be for the muslim. Some people think everything in the bible is sacred, which is a book full of hatred towards women, homossexuals, other religions, etc. Yes, taking offense at this isn't much of an issue, but that's because it happens to be similar to other cultural differences. The thing is, those who are bothered by this sort of thing may not be that different from those who disregard well-established facts because of religion. I think that's what's bothering some people, even if they're blowing the whole thing out of proportion. It's not like this kind of thing doesn't worry me to be honest. I don't really care about this particular issue per se, but the truth is I do despise religion for the reasons stated above. I don't mean to judge people for feeling disrespected by something like this, but this does make me shake my head in disbelief and my dislike for religion grow further. Well Religion always has a role to play , but the fact is even though people say this is haram etc etc , there is actually no verse nor hadeeth that says so . So that means the judgement was created for the convenience of backing up their claims instead of it being actually there , also I remember the first assassins creed having this , but people actually dug that instead, I think the reason was because people started to believe that there is some subliminal message inside the show , since it's dealing with gods and whatsoever . There is even something more ironic to say , is that in these countries when there are movies made that portray a muslim character being a bad person no one bats an eye , it's the insecurity and the sensitivity people have against the more developed countries. People start being more open-minded when they have a high standard of living and a sense of responsibility. Something the middle east doesn't have thanks to their greedy bastard governments. As for religion I have always believed that religion is necessary , be it man-made or actually real . Well that's not what's important here . Religion is a way of living after all , Laws do have their boundaries , but spiritual boundaries are always stronger after all. I have always believed in this quote.. If there is no God it would be necessary to invent him -Voltaire IMO is that Religion does a great job of creating a culture based on spiritual boundaries , when law can't work , Religion works as a self control imo. But there will always be people using it to control human behavior and human thought. Anyway I talked way too much xD |
AkabawiDec 5, 2015 1:52 PM
| Given the right situation , the right story , anyone can be shaped into Snake. -Revolver Ocelot , MGS2 |
Akabawi said: Well Religion always has a role to play , but the fact is even though people say this is haram etc etc , there is actually no verse nor hadeeth that says so . So that means the judgement was created for the convenience of backing up their claims instead of it being actually there , also I remember the first assassins creed having this , but people actually dug that instead, I think the reason was because people started to believe that there is some subliminal message inside the show , since it's dealing with gods and whatsoever . There is even something more ironic to say , is that in these countries when there are movies made that portray a muslim character being a bad person no one bats an eye , it's the insecurity and the sensitivity people have against the more developed countries. People start being more open-minded when they have a high standard of living and a sense of responsibility. Something the middle east doesn't have thanks to their greedy bastard governments. As for religion I have always believed that religion is necessary , be it man-made or actually real . Well that's not what's important here . Religion is a way of living after all , Laws do have their boundaries , but spiritual boundaries are always stronger after all. I have always believed in this quote.. If there is no God it would be necessary to invent him -Voltaire IMO is that Religion does a great job of creating a culture based on spiritual boundaries , when law can't work , Religion works as a self control imo. But there will always be people using it to control human behavior and human thought. Anyway I talked way too much xD That's some interesting things to say. Are you muslim? Don't really want to talk a lot because it's pointless, but all in all the problems are already heeded by the anime's officials and they've done something for that. I agree with what you said though. Can't imagine this world without religion and Islam is definitely part of this world too. I think the anime's officials did the right thing. You know, to end the conflict. Because the ost already offended quite some people regardless of whether it actually is matter. |
modsoulz said: Akabawi said: Well Religion always has a role to play , but the fact is even though people say this is haram etc etc , there is actually no verse nor hadeeth that says so . So that means the judgement was created for the convenience of backing up their claims instead of it being actually there , also I remember the first assassins creed having this , but people actually dug that instead, I think the reason was because people started to believe that there is some subliminal message inside the show , since it's dealing with gods and whatsoever . There is even something more ironic to say , is that in these countries when there are movies made that portray a muslim character being a bad person no one bats an eye , it's the insecurity and the sensitivity people have against the more developed countries. People start being more open-minded when they have a high standard of living and a sense of responsibility. Something the middle east doesn't have thanks to their greedy bastard governments. As for religion I have always believed that religion is necessary , be it man-made or actually real . Well that's not what's important here . Religion is a way of living after all , Laws do have their boundaries , but spiritual boundaries are always stronger after all. I have always believed in this quote.. If there is no God it would be necessary to invent him -Voltaire IMO is that Religion does a great job of creating a culture based on spiritual boundaries , when law can't work , Religion works as a self control imo. But there will always be people using it to control human behavior and human thought. Anyway I talked way too much xD That's some interesting things to say. Are you muslim? Don't really want to talk a lot because it's pointless, but all in all the problems are already heeded by the anime's officials and they've done something for that. I agree with what you said though. Can't imagine this world without religion and Islam is definitely part of this world too. I think the anime's officials did the right thing. You know, to end the conflict. Because the ost already offended quite some people regardless of whether it actually is matter. Well yes , but that doesn't really matter right , I mean I have my doubts about some stuff but then I have average knowledge of my religion and I have repetitively seen lies and out of context verses being used to influence people in some way or another . I also have some questioning in some verses since I don't really understand the logic behind them . Well but what I know is that Islam encourages people to doubt and question their religion for a better understanding of their religion itself. I heard *but I am not sure* that other religions have this , if they do then it's easy to say that people who get influenced by those "people acting as guardians for "God" or religion" are weak willed . Now whether they are man-made or not , that now concerns me the least . I am concerned the most of how people would act when they have no spiritual boundaries , People would have weak morale and fading morals , The very concept of reward and punishment is what moves people to do anything after all. Anyway I'm really wasting my time here but oh well. |
AkabawiDec 5, 2015 3:56 PM
| Given the right situation , the right story , anyone can be shaped into Snake. -Revolver Ocelot , MGS2 |
Akabawi said: well but what I know is that Islam encourages people to doubt and question their religion for a better understanding of their religion itself. Are you sure with that ? |
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F12x8 said: Akabawi said: well but what I know is that Islam encourages people to doubt and question their religion for a better understanding of their religion itself. Are you sure with that ? Yeah I can't remember the verses exactly but yes I am sure . Just because people don't do so doesn't mean it's not written . Most Muslims know nothing about their religion except what the Sheikh tells them . This even gives more advantage for those people to say what aligns with their interest and say that it's what God says. There are very interesting cases which some Sheikh says something that does not exist or even contradict with the Qur'an but since very little reads it , let alone try to understand it , those cases pass unnoticed to the masses till someone finally decides to talk and say this is wrong etc etc. Like example no.1 Some Sheikhs say that insulting them or questioning them is a sin and that "Their meat is poisonous". Well that doesn't translate well but what the line means is that just thinking to argue with them is a sin in itself and that they are like the superior beings that we cannot argue with. This case is especially ironic because some certain Sheikh said this is wrong , there is no such thing in either hadeeth nor qur'an nor fekh and then he gave examples and also applied why this doesn't make sense in the real world with the Dark ages and shit . He also demanded people to not quote anything without sources since even hadeeths have a lot that are not true . and even if it's true "As if we can know? lol" we have to like understand the context because most hadeeths have their context and a certain age to it . They at some times do not adapt with the current age too . Anyway those Sheikhs who used to say that "a Sheikh's meat is poisonous " started insulting the guy and the other Sheikhs who said these are lies etc etc . Which is ironic considering that they are violating their own sayings lol. Now look even when I say I am sure , never take any words for granted , maybe I am lying who knows would you know ? rule number 1 for the right judgement . What you should do is look for it yourself and make sure. This internet is a place filled with junk data about rumors , misinterpretations and slander . |
AkabawiDec 5, 2015 4:56 PM
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