| Against Kiritsugu=/=against every opponent. The "willpower" that he mentions is from facing Kiritsugu alone, something he'll never have again. Also Kiritsugus assesment isn't necessarily the truth; Kirei has to change the bullets trajectory by using his hand but a DA could side step it even after seeing the bullet. |
| That line reminds me of Gil's assessment of Shirou at the end of UBW after the arm gets cut. |
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Insertanamehere said: Er.....Have you read HA? He can fight defensively, against an average servant (C rank stats) is what Nasu said, not necessarily win. Bazzet never fought a servant head on in HA and survived. She would've lost if it wasn't for the SPOILER + Fragarach combo. If she was on her own, the opponent's need to use their most powerful move diminishes. Nash said Kirei can fight defensively against an average servant? Source please. |
ELoTUnlimited said: I know this isn't about F/SN UW season 2 but is there anywhere online or download that i could read F/SN visual novel? Goi to Beasts Lair |
MightyM16Aug 6, 2015 7:40 AM
astroprogs said: Insertanamehere said: Er.....Have you read HA? He can fight defensively, against an average servant (C rank stats) is what Nasu said, not necessarily win. Bazzet never fought a servant head on in HA and survived. She would've lost if it wasn't for the SPOILER + Fragarach combo. If she was on her own, the opponent's need to use their most powerful move diminishes. Nash said Kirei can fight defensively against an average servant? Source please. Keep up with, not beat-Saber doesn't destroy her in seconds, which is quite a feat considering she's a human and Saber has what, B rank strength. And she deflects Leysritts halberd, also B ranked. And unshown how she fought, she mentions having defeated several servants (we see her defeat the mini assassin without ever using Fragarach so) *She can fight defensively, I meant. Ciel, not Kirei. ELoTUnlimited said: I know this isn't about F/SN UW season 2 but is there anywhere online or download that i could read F/SN visual novel? check pms |
| Do the heroic spirits keeps records of their "servant version" action's ? I checked on the wiki and i saw that was the case, yet when i read Fate/Strange Fake Gilgamesh didn't remember what happened to him in FSN. So... How does that work ? If Archer(fsn) would be summoned again would he have knowledge of the previous graail war and the events of UBW |
SephcloudAug 26, 2015 6:06 AM
Sephcloud said: Do the heroic spirits keeps records of their "servant version" action's ? I checked on the wiki and i saw that was the case, yet when i read Fate/Strange Fake Gilgamesh didn't remember what happened to him in FSN. So... How does that work ? If Archer(fsn) would be summoned again would he have knowledge of the previous graail war and the events of UBW From my understanding, Heroic spirits don't, Counter Guardians do. I could be wrong, though. |
| Yup, they keep the records, but not the actual experience. That's why Archer says that he found his answer "just for this summoning"; for him, Answer is actually just like a report - he'd read it once and then dismiss it or something like that. After all, what you personally experienced >>> something you've read about yourself doing. |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
Sephcloud said: Do the heroic spirits keeps records of their "servant version" action's ? I checked on the wiki and i saw that was the case, yet when i read Fate/Strange Fake Gilgamesh didn't remember what happened to him in FSN. So... How does that work ? If Archer(fsn) would be summoned again would he have knowledge of the previous graail war and the events of UBW The one IN the throne can "read" it, but wont have experienced it(basically its no more than a story to them). The one summoned is untainted copy though |
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astroprogs said: Sephcloud said: Do the heroic spirits keeps records of their "servant version" action's ? I checked on the wiki and i saw that was the case, yet when i read Fate/Strange Fake Gilgamesh didn't remember what happened to him in FSN. So... How does that work ? If Archer(fsn) would be summoned again would he have knowledge of the previous graail war and the events of UBW From my understanding, Heroic spirits don't, Counter Guardians do. I could be wrong, though. Except Counter Guardians are HS. |
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| soo... if Archer and (by Archer i mean the one from FSN) was summoned in a next graail war he won't have knowledge of his experience ? his status of CG makes him special right ? By untainted you mean as if they didn't get any external knowledge right like records and all that ? Are they affected by the multiverse of the story ? like do the heroic spirits gets records of all the different version of their summoning ? |
SephcloudAug 27, 2015 4:52 PM
Sephcloud said: soo... if Archer and (by Archer i mean the one from FSN) was summoned in a next graail war he won't have knowledge of his experience ? his status of CG makes him special right ? He won't have memories, but he would know of it. Like someone said earlier, it'd be like he read a book. Edit: Read wrong. See the person below. Are they affected by the multiverse of the story ? like do the heroic spirits gets records of all the different version of their summoning ? Yes.This is probably the reason why Archer(in FE) doesn't remember some things. If the things he's been through are so vast. |
mira-pyonAug 27, 2015 8:29 PM
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Exrial said: spoiler that shit.Started HF and am on 7th day atm. it's gonna take a good min if you're talking about fighting. HF is slower than hell. once shit gets started it gets STARTED. |
Maloghurst said: Exrial said: spoiler that shit.Started HF and am on 7th day atm. it's gonna take a good min if you're talking about fighting. HF is slower than hell. once shit gets started it gets STARTED. And then it slows down again with filler till we reach the final part which is fast as fuck. |
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Exrial said: Maloghurst said: spoiler that shit. it's gonna take a good min if you're talking about fighting. HF is slower than hell. once shit gets started it gets STARTED. Shit gets real after day 9. Find that out yourself~ |
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mira-nyan said: guess he wasnt just talking about the fighting...in that case yea it gets real real soonExrial said: Shit gets real after day 9. Find that out yourself~ |
| Are they numerous version of one Hero ? Because Fate/Prototype has another version of Saber, lancer, Archer but the throne of heroes is unique... So... How does that work ? If it's the case can someone summon Saber prototype in the FSN continuity ? Does anyone know if the Fate/extra one shot advertizing has ever been translated ? |
SephcloudSep 1, 2015 4:28 AM
Sephcloud said: Are they numerous version of one Hero ? Because Fate/Prototype has another version of Saber, lancer, Archer but the throne of heroes is unique... So... How does that work ? If it's the case can someone summon Saber prototype in the FSN continuity ? Does anyone know if the Fate/extra one shot advertizing has ever been translated ? I think only one version of a hero can exist in the Throne of Heroes. F/SN and Fate/Prototype exist in separate continuities so I don't think you can summon the Fate/Prototype version of a servant, even with Second Magic shenanigans. I think. The two different Vlads throws me for a loop, though I think we can chalk that up to separate continuities too. Don't quote me on this. |
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| How much of Fate/Zero is mentioned in Fate/Stay Night? Can someone remind me of more notable moments? |
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Sherou said: Sephcloud said: Are they numerous version of one Hero ? Because Fate/Prototype has another version of Saber, lancer, Archer but the throne of heroes is unique... So... How does that work ? If it's the case can someone summon Saber prototype in the FSN continuity ? Does anyone know if the Fate/extra one shot advertizing has ever been translated ? I think only one version of a hero can exist in the Throne of Heroes. F/SN and Fate/Prototype exist in separate continuities so I don't think you can summon the Fate/Prototype version of a servant, even with Second Magic shenanigans. I think. The two different Vlads throws me for a loop, though I think we can chalk that up to separate continuities too. Don't quote me on this. erm i'm not convinced |
Sherou said: Sephcloud said: Are they numerous version of one Hero ? Because Fate/Prototype has another version of Saber, lancer, Archer but the throne of heroes is unique... So... How does that work ? If it's the case can someone summon Saber prototype in the FSN continuity ? Does anyone know if the Fate/extra one shot advertizing has ever been translated ? I think only one version of a hero can exist in the Throne of Heroes. F/SN and Fate/Prototype exist in separate continuities so I don't think you can summon the Fate/Prototype version of a servant, even with Second Magic shenanigans. I think. The two different Vlads throws me for a loop, though I think we can chalk that up to separate continuities too. Don't quote me on this. No, that depends. Judging from what I heard from Stev, there can be multiple versions of a hero, but there can only be one CG form? Like, it only takes one Shirou from one timeline for CG EMIYA to be created, but there can be multiple versions of a servant in the ToH. Or something like that. Proto Saber and Arty are both versions of King Arthur, but they exist seperately. However, since humanity shapes the HS, and since humanity believe King Arthur was a male, ~99% of the time, Proto Saber would be summoned. And this is in the scenario that Artoria actually becomes a HS for the sake of answering the question. >.> Insert is rly bad at explaining. <.< Quoting other people, here. |
mira-pyonSep 2, 2015 8:26 AM
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mira-nyan said: Sherou said: I think only one version of a hero can exist in the Throne of Heroes. F/SN and Fate/Prototype exist in separate continuities so I don't think you can summon the Fate/Prototype version of a servant, even with Second Magic shenanigans. I think. The two different Vlads throws me for a loop, though I think we can chalk that up to separate continuities too. Don't quote me on this. No, that depends. Judging from what I heard from Stev, there can be multiple versions of a hero, but there can only be one CG form? Like, it only takes one Shirou from one timeline for CG EMIYA to be created, but there can be multiple versions of a servant in the ToH. Or something like that. Proto Saber and Arty are both versions of King Arthur, but they exist seperately. However, since humanity shapes the HS, and since humanity believe King Arthur was a male, ~99% of the time, Proto Saber would be summoned. And this is in the scenario that Artoria actually becomes a HS for the sake of answering the question. >.> Insert is rly bad at explaining. <.< Quoting other people, here. You might be right. I thought the Archer scenario applied to all servants but CGs might be special |
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| I didn't say that, though? There's a difference between summoning different aspects of one hero, even older/younger aspects and good/evil aspects. There's always only one hero on the throne. We've known that different aspects of a single servant can be summoned since Hollow for a long time. In Vlads case Extra Vlad is the one under the influence of the "something Monster" affect which influences his appearance and personality and whatnot, where the Apocrypha one is the real one (IIRC because he was summoned in Wallachia where he is regarded as a great hero than an evil bloodsucker or something like that). |
Insertanamehere said: I didn't say that, though? There's a difference between summoning different aspects of one hero, even older/younger aspects and good/evil aspects. There's always only one hero on the throne. We've known that different aspects of a single servant can be summoned since Hollow for a long time. In Vlads case Extra Vlad is the one under the influence of the "something Monster" affect which influences his appearance and personality and whatnot, where the Apocrypha one is the real one (IIRC because he was summoned in Wallachia where he is regarded as a great hero than an evil bloodsucker or something like that). >.> <.< Wow, you contradict yourself so much. I think you have a problem with being decisive, Stev. >.> |
mira-pyonSep 2, 2015 2:27 PM
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mira-nyan said: Sherou said: I think only one version of a hero can exist in the Throne of Heroes. F/SN and Fate/Prototype exist in separate continuities so I don't think you can summon the Fate/Prototype version of a servant, even with Second Magic shenanigans. I think. The two different Vlads throws me for a loop, though I think we can chalk that up to separate continuities too. Don't quote me on this. No, that depends. Judging from what I heard from Stev, there can be multiple versions of a hero, but there can only be one CG form? Like, it only takes one Shirou from one timeline for CG EMIYA to be created, but there can be multiple versions of a servant in the ToH. Or something like that. Proto Saber and Arty are both versions of King Arthur, but they exist seperately. However, since humanity shapes the HS, and since humanity believe King Arthur was a male, ~99% of the time, Proto Saber would be summoned. And this is in the scenario that Artoria actually becomes a HS for the sake of answering the question. >.> Insert is rly bad at explaining. <.< Quoting other people, here. NO there can't be multiple of same HS in Throne. Only one EMIYA SHirou became a CG and is in the throne. Only one version is saved. A different TIME Of a hero can be summoned depending on class requirements and master(for example if someone REALLY loved spears when he was 14 and then became a brilliant horse rider at 50, he would be 50 years old as Rider and 14 years old as Lancer, if he fits those classes), but it is always the same exact hero. Sometimes a different ASPECT of hero's personality can be summoned(ex: IDK how Insertanamehere said: I didn't say that, though? There's a difference between summoning different aspects of one hero, even older/younger aspects and good/evil aspects. There's always only one hero on the throne. We've known that different aspects of a single servant can be summoned since Hollow for a long time. In Vlads case Extra Vlad is the one under the influence of the "something Monster" affect which influences his appearance and personality and whatnot, where the Apocrypha one is the real one (IIRC because he was summoned in Wallachia where he is regarded as a great hero than an evil bloodsucker or something like that). Wasn't it because of perception on Vlad is VERY divisive and both aspects of his myth are popular? But it is the same spirit, just upon him is reflected the viewpoint of humanity(same way on how heroes do not really always wear what they wore in their lives but what humanity would perceive them as wearing). So ONE Vlad is the aspect of Vlad's that is "Dracula The Vampire Monster" while OTHER is "Vlad the Impaler, the king") Sephcloud said: Are they numerous version of one Hero ? Because Fate/Prototype has another version of Saber, lancer, Archer but the throne of heroes is unique... So... How does that work ? If it's the case can someone summon Saber prototype in the FSN continuity ? Does anyone know if the Fate/extra one shot advertizing has ever been translated ? Prototype is not really canon and should not be taken as truth. Its one of many ideas. There's only one heroic spirit of each hero in the throne. Servants of same HS can differ a bit due to class ans other factors(like the master's affinity and personality), because a servant is a "stripped down" version of heroic spirit, with limited information. |
AhenshihaelSep 3, 2015 3:10 AM
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CookingPriest said: mira-nyan said: No, that depends. Judging from what I heard from Stev, there can be multiple versions of a hero, but there can only be one CG form? Like, it only takes one Shirou from one timeline for CG EMIYA to be created, but there can be multiple versions of a servant in the ToH. Or something like that. Proto Saber and Arty are both versions of King Arthur, but they exist seperately. However, since humanity shapes the HS, and since humanity believe King Arthur was a male, ~99% of the time, Proto Saber would be summoned. And this is in the scenario that Artoria actually becomes a HS for the sake of answering the question. >.> Insert is rly bad at explaining. <.< Quoting other people, here. NO there can't be multiple of same HS in Throne. Only one EMIYA SHirou became a CG and is in the throne. Only one version is saved. A different TIME Of a hero can be summoned depending on class requirements and master(for example if someone REALLY loved spears when he was 14 and then became a brilliant horse rider at 50, he would be 50 years old as Rider and 14 years old as Lancer, if he fits those classes), but it is always the same exact hero. Sometimes a different ASPECT of hero's personality can be summoned(ex: IDK how Ic^ For the Salt King, you can explain pretty well. >.> Stev a baka. |
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| Not a question but just looked at that the score of the anime and wow. People didn't really like the second season,huh CookingPriest said: Sometimes a different ASPECT of hero's personality can be summoned(ex: this is false btw |
DamnThatsTheSpotSep 7, 2015 2:13 PM
DamnThatsTheSpot said: Not a question but just looked at that the score of the anime and wow. People didn't really like the second season,huh Leaving the "sensitive" matter of VN readers aside, a lot of F/Z fanboys are still salty about Gil being beaten by "Ginger kid". |
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| HF can't come soon enough then. |
DamnThatsTheSpot said: HF can't come soon enough then. The reactions for THAT scene are going to be priceless. |
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Grey-Zone said: DamnThatsTheSpot said: HF can't come soon enough then. The reactions for THAT scene are going to be priceless. If you mean the scene where I think it would be even more lol if they just don't even include it at all. You know, for maximum trolololo |
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DamnThatsTheSpot said: Not a question but just looked at that the score of the anime and wow. People didn't really like the second season,huh CookingPriest said: Sometimes a different ASPECT of hero's personality can be summoned(ex: this is false btw Well yeah, obvs. |
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DamnThatsTheSpot said: CookingPriest said: Sometimes a different ASPECT of hero's personality can be summoned(ex: this is false btw Nice argument strawman. Arguments or GTFO. |
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| That's not a strawman,that's a statement,jeez Anyway While alive, Altria did not fell into the path of evil even once, but she too had doubts, inner conflicts, hatred towards herself and grief towards the surroundings. This figure is something that raised such issues to the surface by means of a curse and caused her "policy" to go inverse. There is no change in her goals, ideals themselves. The usual Altria persisted in being chaste for the sake of her ideals, but this Altria approves tyrannical rule for the sake of her ideals. from Alter's GO profile |
hazifor said: yes there are a fair amount of servants that are weaker as servants. generally it's the older ones whom are kind of up there on the divine scale like karna and herakles. Arcueid is a definite nerf seeing how normal Arc is = to 3-4 servants at 30% of her str. i almost wanna say that Saber was too but i'm not sure on that one, then there is also pestilence, Enkidu etc His response is going to be "not canon bs", no point posting that. Which servants are weaker as servants than they were when they were alive? I know Gil was nerfed by the grail, is it just him being super special again or are there others? |
DamnThatsTheSpot said: That's not a strawman,that's a statement,jeez Anyway While alive, Altria did not fell into the path of evil even once, but she too had doubts, inner conflicts, hatred towards herself and grief towards the surroundings. This figure is something that raised such issues to the surface by means of a curse and caused her "policy" to go inverse. There is no change in her goals, ideals themselves. The usual Altria persisted in being chaste for the sake of her ideals, but this Altria approves tyrannical rule for the sake of her ideals. from Alter's GO profile > Quoting Fate/Grand Fanfiction Pls. I guess Sacrifice Few to Save Many is now "Being chaste and noble ruler". I guess we have a machine-gun NP Lancelot too then, hey if FGO says it is true, it must be true! Oh wait I forgot who is doing it. GG. Pls keep seibawanking. Either way nothing in that quote goes against what I wrote. Maloghurst said: hazifor said: yes there are a fair amount of servants that are weaker as servants. generally it's the older ones whom are kind of up there on the divine scale like karna and herakles. Arcueid is a definite nerf seeing how normal Arc is = to 3-4 servants at 30% of her str. i almost wanna say that Saber was too but i'm not sure on that one, then there is also pestilence, Enkidu etc His response is going to be "not canon bs", no point posting that. Which servants are weaker as servants than they were when they were alive? I know Gil was nerfed by the grail, is it just him being super special again or are there others? Gil(because too op), Arc(because no Gaia support), Nero(because there's no class fitting of her) are pretty much the only cases I can think of. Saber is as strong as she was in her life All servants are weaker than the heroic spirits themselves tho. |
AhenshihaelSep 9, 2015 3:16 AM
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CookingPriest said: from Alter's GO profile > Quoting Fate/Grand Fanfiction lol hazifor said: His response is going to be "not canon bs", no point posting that. Pls. I guess Sacrifice Few to Save Many is now "Being chaste and noble ruler". If you don't see the difference between her doing that and feeling like shit because of it later on(hence inner conflicts/self-hatred etc.) and her supposedly doing that and not giving a shit about it(which Alter would probably do,hypothetically) then i don't know what to say. Not to mention,you're completely underselling the point of those actions either way,since because of them every one of her battles against the saxons ended in minimal casualities and a swift victory. In any case the point is her Alter-fied form is caused by the curse of the grail. I guess we have a machine-gun NP Lancelot too then, hey if FGO says it is true, it must be true! Hello,what is Knight of Honour?What is Fate/Zero too btw? Oh wait I forgot who is doing it. GG. Pls keep seibawanking. what are you even talking about? Either way nothing in that quote goes against what I wrote. the" Saber Alter is Saber at the end of her life and thinks her ideals are pointless and is totally nihilistic" part totally does I mean even ignoring Grand Order for a second,years before that Nasu described Alter as an idealist who sticks to her own values,so.. |
DamnThatsTheSpotSep 9, 2015 3:31 AM
hazifor said: Which servants are weaker as servants than they were when they were alive? I know Gil was nerfed by the grail, is it just him being super special again or are there others? Most of those from the Age of Gods and some others. Gil is weaker, as you said, for example. Or Karna if you want to go into other series. If you mean just from F/Z and F/SN; |
| Actually it was noted that the only reason Lance was able to do that stuff to Gil was because of his Mad Enhancement boost. And considering Knight of Honour isn't an ability he had in life I'd say he's stronger as a Servant than when he was alive tbh. As long as he has a Master that doesn't die from his prana drain of course,lolkariya |
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