| I understand your point about the regulation, and coming out as a proponent of lolicon culture surprisingly I think it would be good for the industry. Why? With a proper regulation (not prohibition) and categorization we could make a clear segments on the market. What I'm proposing actually a bit extreme but is a necessary step to ensure the content remain contained to avoid unnecessary backlash, it is to categorized any late night 'ecchi' shows in the same category of hentai for the western market. Which means the law that regulates it's distribution and broadcast should apply in the same fashion to pornographic content. The main problem is the audience maturity in the west disconnected by the reality of the Japan broadcasting system (not to mention the differences in moral standard). The late night anime in Japan are targeted for mature demography, the segment is often filled with more controversial themes that is not only dominated by ecchi shows, mind you. This time segmentation does not translate very well to the western market, wheres some late night anime managed to sneak past the rating system or even aired on channels that does not has permits for distribution of mature content. This is where the system becomes vague and causing dissonance with the 'normal' demographics. It is when the 'lolicon' themes becomes more visible because of the higher dissonance with the 'normalcy' of the western market (for the weird part tentacles are generally more accepted, I blame porn sites). So, in short, I prefer a more generalized wider approach of grouping together 'ecchi' shows with 'hentai' shows just to give western market some better perspective of the medium demographics. |
| The most important things in life is the people that you care about |
| Every time I see a thread I was having a meaningful discussion on get locked, and then a carbon copy of it returns without the potency, I just feel this amalgam of enervation and anger. Before I directly respond to some of the things you've said, OP, I want you, as a psychology student, to realize that social philosophy and politics of culture go hand in hand with the very stigma you are purporting to--so it's both a dynamic and complex issue from the get-go. Gotwhitey said: Okay so is common sense to ignore an issue? No, that's not what anybody is saying. They're merely claiming that it is a non-issue, which I would tend to agree with, except in the most minute of cases, notable primarily for their specificity and uniqueness. Once again, the reason "lolita complexes" are even a controversial issue to be discussing revolves around deeply-rooted social pragmatism was set in motion to stabilize certain moral codes to act under, thus minimizing the retroactive policing necessary to maintain a civil society. There have been studies that slowly delved deeper into people with "lolita complexes". Have there, really? There have been numerous studies delving into pedophiles, but I wasn't aware of the vast market of statisticians and scientists interested in the psychological dispositions of people's taste in anime characters. I agree that loli's are cute. Correct, continue. My topic does not have anything to do with that aspect of lolicon. It specifies about the part of the genre that reinforces harmful mental thought. I wasn't aware there was a form of non-mental thought, but that's besides the point. This is where the issue of conflating morals with truth comes into play--why are the thoughts harmful unless taken in active or actualized? Why is staring at animated girls with smaller proportions somehow harmful, or even conditioning and nurturing some kind of harmful line of thinking? The simple answer, in essence, would be that in most cases it isn't, purely and simply. The only tangible issue, where the root of the stigma surrounding such topics comes from, is the potential harm such sexual acts can cause to the maturational growth of kids under an somewhat arbitrarily-decided age. If such actions aren't being taken, then there is, quite literally, no harm in active. To argue otherwise is to presuppose that some kind of metaphysical harm is being indirectly enacted on swaths of kids, which would be ludicrous. Hence why a complete ban on it would be nonsensical. However, I believe regulation is necessary. Even regulation would be nonsensical. We can delve further into this, however, if you'd like? |
| It's natural for a person to deny he's a failure as a human being. That's why he searches for somebody who is more miserable than himself. That's why so much animosity exists on the internet. Those who aren't able to find a more miserable person, turn to the internet and call other people losers, even though they've never met. Just to make themselves feel superior. isn't that pathetic? There's a sense of security that comes from speaking badly of someone else. But that isn't true salvation. — Tatsuhiro Satou YandereTheEmo said: The only thing more pathetic than quoting someone you know nothing about, is quoting yourself. |
| Sexualizing children is always wrong. If you think otherwise, you are a threat. |
| I'm fine with it, but when a lolicon lover hates on shotacon, I have a problem because that's just hypocritical. |
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| I dunno wat to say. What a thread eh |
| The world shall know the truth soon. |
pufonD said: Sexualizing children is always wrong. If you think otherwise, you are a threat. You better watch out then, MAL is coming to get you. Hide yo kids bro. |
DGrimreaperD said: ahahaha. truth has been spoken. still sad some of masterpiece romance hated just because it shotacon.I'm fine with it, but when a lolicon lover hates on shotacon, I have a problem because that's just hypocritical. |
 "If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
glassthroat said: little boys > little girls |
| I say it shouldn't be banned it's actually pretty dumb to ban it because it's not depicting any real children in danger and before the loli=pedo people show up I say it isn't because most lolicons don't even like children (it's about 50/50) and would never hurt a kid. I should know I know loli's online that have this viewpoint all I ask is don't judge a book by It's cover I hope I gave some insight on this and I hope you do well in your major Psych WTF |
| ZA WARUDO WRYYYYYY |
| Loli in Anime- Yes Loli in Real Life- No I don't know why people can't separate the two. Just cause you like Loli in anime does not make you a creep in real life, unless you actually like loli in 3D. |
| I only like bara shotas. |
pufonD said: Maybe so, but what exactly does that have to do with drawings, texts, and animation?Sexualizing children is always wrong. If you think otherwise, you are a threat. |
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Unyilkdr said: it's not genre. it's content and usually added as tag. OT: just not my cup of tea. but yeah, i like short girls because i short myself. but not underage girls. My wife 4'10" People used to mistake her and our daughter as sisters. Enough said. |
| Loicon is not a genre. |
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| First off, Lolicon may be considered a style of anime. Second, you have to consider the fact that lolis are basically, cartoon characters. Also consider an American animation like South Park. In one episode, Jimmy can't seem to get rid of his erection and hires a prostitute to satisfy the urge, thus getting rid of his errant boner. Jimmy is an elementary school student, and he is having sex as implied with a whore basically. Thus you have sex and elementary school students in what is now considered a mainstream American animation. If you had loli type characters and sexy situations in a series like Family Guy, people would accept that too. Maybe anime is just drawn to well so people notice it more, American animation, ugly kids having sex, who cares. |
| Lolicon isn't a genre nor tag.... ....IT'S A WAY OF LIFE! |
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| I am generally not a fan of pedo bait lolicon. Though there are some decent characters who happen to be lolis which I like for their personalities. |
| "The name's Gambit. Remember it." -Gambit "X-Men '97"  |
Kruszer said: I am generally not a fan of pedo bait lolicon. Though there are some decent characters who happen to be lolis which I like for their personalities. Sure sure their "personality" |
| Disclaimer: I believe that preventing access to any information is wrong, and people demanding prevention of information access should be executed for the great justice. Free access to information is required for proper functioning of modern society. Just look what North Korea is like, and how Soviet Union suddenly collapsed. Do you want it to happen in your country? That said, lolicon hentai can be a lot of fun. Especially if the girl and the boy are around the same age. Secondly, watching lolicon anime (normal, ecchi or hentai - it does not matter) makes you less likely to do stuff to actual children. Because actual children are a lot worse than the ones in anime. Thirdly, watching/playing/listening to media that contain [whatever] aren't actually likely to make you do [whatever]. It's the other way around - people already likely to do [whatever] like watching/playing/listening to media that contain [whatever]. People who disagree with that have failed to produce evidence that is good enough to actually make laws. |
| I like lolis because there cute,nothing more nothing less. But I don't like them sexualized. I just want them cute and have them.stay being moe. |
| God damn, ya'll are far beyond saving. |
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| being a lolicon doesn't simply a pedo I like 2D lolis, as they're "cuter" IMO IRL, I also do like petite and chubby girls but says big no for children under 17 |
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