Fairy Tail Chapter 434 Discussion

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So, by now it's safe to say that dragons are the most powerful beings in Fairy Tail right? But this thing Yakuma God of Battle, isn't exactly a "god" right? He's more similar to Lucy's Celestial Spirit King, since you needed to sacrifice something in order to summon this "God" aka Lullaby 2.0. I see a lot of people calling it "Bullshit Natsu one shotted a god" or something like that. But this was the first time Natsu was being serious, and used a new move on that thing. You don't know if the "God" gets stronger if let's say the sacrifice is bigger, then just burning his face, like offer an arm, or your legs or something and it would probably be stronger. You also don't know if the summoner's magic needs to be really high, in order to make that thing stronger. Yes it was big, and split a bit of the ground in half, but that's because it was BIG. So I'm not good at explaining things (obviously), but you can't really call it bullshit, since you don't know what it takes to make that thing stronger. You can be pissed on how things were executed, nobody could blame you for that. Sorry if I misspelled.

May 12, 2015 10:11 AM

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What...why

....I guess there are 17 other summons to KO, according to Erza. Enough fodder for Natsu to evolve completely into Saitama-sensei

May 12, 2015 10:18 AM

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What...why

....I guess there are 17 other summons to KO, according to Erza. Enough fodder for Natsu to evolve completely into Saitama-sensei

The real bullshit will start when Zeref will summon all 18 at once in their perfect form just to get oneshotted as a group!

May 12, 2015 11:00 AM

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So, by now it's safe to say that dragons are the most powerful beings in Fairy Tail right? But this thing Yakuma God of Battle, isn't exactly a "god" right? He's more similar to Lucy's Celestial Spirit King, since you needed to sacrifice something in order to summon this "God" aka Lullaby 2.0. I see a lot of people calling it "Bullshit Natsu one shotted a god" or something like that. But this was the first time Natsu was being serious, and used a new move on that thing. You don't know if the "God" gets stronger if let's say the sacrifice is bigger, then just burning his face, like offer an arm, or your legs or something and it would probably be stronger. You also don't know if the summoner's magic needs to be really high, in order to make that thing stronger. Yes it was big, and split a bit of the ground in half, but that's because it was BIG. So I'm not good at explaining things (obviously), but you can't really call it bullshit, since you don't know what it takes to make that thing stronger. You can be pissed on how things were executed, nobody could blame you for that. Sorry if I misspelled.

Thank you. THis is what I was pointing out all along

May 12, 2015 12:01 PM

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Aiko_Hiroshi said:

So even though you've loved most of the series and praised the Tartarus arc up and down, yet story developments in a mini arc somehow ruined the whole series for you? Your opinions turn around so fast its nuts.

Every single bit of foreshadowing about Gray being ignored for the sake of "lol he was a spy" kind of shakes the foundation of liking this.

And then Natsu punches a literal god to death...

I'm pretty sure that wasn't a true "God" and was just overhyped like Godslayers themselves were. If you really feel the need to pull out after just a few chapters of the story not going the way you want, go ahead. I'll continue to enjoy Fairy Tail and see where Mashima leads the story. Unlike you I still have faith in his writing, and I know he likes to troll quite a bit.

May 12, 2015 12:08 PM

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metsujin said:
So, by now it's safe to say that dragons are the most powerful beings in Fairy Tail right? But this thing Yakuma God of Battle, isn't exactly a "god" right? He's more similar to Lucy's Celestial Spirit King, since you needed to sacrifice something in order to summon this "God" aka Lullaby 2.0. I see a lot of people calling it "Bullshit Natsu one shotted a god" or something like that. But this was the first time Natsu was being serious, and used a new move on that thing. You don't know if the "God" gets stronger if let's say the sacrifice is bigger, then just burning his face, like offer an arm, or your legs or something and it would probably be stronger. You also don't know if the summoner's magic needs to be really high, in order to make that thing stronger. Yes it was big, and split a bit of the ground in half, but that's because it was BIG. So I'm not good at explaining things (obviously), but you can't really call it bullshit, since you don't know what it takes to make that thing stronger. You can be pissed on how things were executed, nobody could blame you for that. Sorry if I misspelled.

Thank you. THis is what I was pointing out all along

Yeah, it's not like things couldn't be executed better, of course they could. But calling it bullshit, is stupid. Hope we get an explanation the following chapters. Sometimes I wonder what kinda ideas the editors reject from Mashima-sensei, and what they really think is good like "Yeah, this will do."

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May 12, 2015 1:29 PM

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Is everyone that said something bad about this mini arc a fucking idiot?! Use your brain numbskulls? Remebr the first mini arc lullaby where the giant monster was eaisly beaten now imagine Natsu 100x stronger.
1. This is just a mini arc get over it.
2. If Natsu strogled against avatar and that fake god he would s not stand a chance against Acnologia and Zeref but of which could have destroyed that entire army and fake God with a single attack.
3. U should be sad and crying not mad and yelling, cuz this just means that the final battle between Natsu vs. Zeref and Acnologia is coming up which also means that the manga will soon be ending, so instead of bad mouthing this chapter and saying u are done with Fairy Tail maybe u want to reflect on how little time u have left until this manga ends and take this time to truly enjoy the remaining chapters of this amazingly wonderful manga that I am proud to call both my favorite manga and anime series.

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May 12, 2015 1:42 PM

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Shawki22 said:
Ok so what exactly is the point of having God slayers or demon slayers if dragon slayers can take out the three entities in their universe?

The God slayers have not lived up to their reputation in any way shape or form.  It would have been much better to see our come in and summon black lighting from the sky and take the thing out or chelia coming in pulling something. I even would have enjoyed gajeel coming in from behind swinging that giant sword he used on the island.

Nope none of that happens instead we get natsu giving us yet another speech and destroying the thing in two hits further displaying that he's too op. If he's taking out God's demons and dragon zeref better be bad as hell otherwise this entire series have been a waste of my time.

well they still cant beat dragons yet if I remember Mavis made a note of this

Doesn't this basically mean that dragons are the must powerful entity I mean Natsu can kill demons and a god but he had to train a lot and will probebly still struggle with aconologia but I have to agree with Shawki on this one. I mean what is the point of having slayer magic if it is only slightly more useful on gods/demons. I like that dragons are the ultimate immortal entries but come now now it just seems like hiro only made godslayers to give Natsu a flame user challenge and only made devil slayers to give gray a story and make him more useful and kinda even with Natsu and gajeel. I'm kinda okay with that but the story would be better if gods could only be killed my Godslayers and Demons by Devil/demon slayers just like dragon slayer magic is the only magic that has any, even if only a minimal, effect on Dragons

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May 12, 2015 1:43 PM

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sweet5 said:

Not that I'm trying to totally disagree with you here, but I'm just going to address some points into what you just said:

"Your cons don't make since cuz u can basically think of this as the first episode of a new series where they show off the characters power."

1- First of all, I already stated in my pros that I liked that this arc demonstrated the teams' developed strength. Infact, I thought almost everybody looked BADASS at some point.

" Avatar did ot suck dick Natsu and them were just super strong that was what hiro was trying to show"

2- Are you kidding me?! The avatar villains were terrible!

-one caused stomach aches
-one could only clone themselves
-one got goats to lick people's feet
-the puppeteer guy...See, I already forgot what happen to him!

Jerome and the master were okay, but that's besides the point. These people were supposed to be a part of a new era, as said by the arlock guy (refer back to 424) but they were taken down in one-punch. *_*. The GOD almost didn't even get to do a single thing! And we won't ever know how powerful it was now because it was defeated within a span of 5 pages.

" but come on this was a good arc it showed how beast Natsu and the others got and it was not just avatar and the God remeber Blue Note who it took Gildarts to beat, This time Natsu beat him with one attack, I mean u have to admit this was a good arc for displaying how strong everyone got and if u are still mad deal with it cuz Natsu had to become overpowered of he is to stand a chance in the final battle with Zeref and Acnologia."

3- I never said this was a bad arc. I just mean it could've been better. And yes like you said, Natsu one-shotting Bluenote was a good demonstation of his power. But all that means is that there really was no need for mashima to make Natsu do a one-shot finale twice if we were already clarified that fact. (I won't lie though. He did look epic in both of those attacks)

Overall the arc was just a bunch of pointless build-up that lead to disappointment. Yes, the fairy tail team are all powerful now, but if that can't be illustrated in a legitimate fight then that just makes everything confusing and makes people like me worried about how fights are going to go in the future.

Sorry I must have skipped over that one part where u stated that u liked how ever was badass but come on avatar did not suck no "Noramal wizard" could have beaten them why else do u think the magic council got involved. Okay I do agree this arc was a bit anti climatic but it's not like it was gonna be a big arc anyway I noticed that when Natsu and them dominated the avatar army and 1. Natsu did not 1 shot the god it took 2 with the second being his new badass move fire dragon king's crumbling fist 2. Even if it took a godslayer or someone else to take that thing down the most it would have been was an extra chapter. Though again I do agree this was anticlimactic I mean I was expecting some big brawl with avatar where Natsu and gray fight (surprise never thought that would happen *he said sarcastically) then the magic council shows up they meet up with levy and gajeel then whoop a avatars ass with only the boss and top six or whatever left. It would have been better if erza showed up saying something went wrong with the plan then Juvia and them show up and Juvia brings Gray to his senses. Then they would work together to defeat avatar and after every Fairy Tail member would work togheter to bring back Fairy Tail, but it did not happen that way and the end result is the same plus it was good to see Natsu and them dominate for once and think about if Natsu has become that over powered then that must mean he is about to have his final battle with Zeref and Acnologia and if he would have struggled with that God then Zeref and Acnologia would have been able to kill him in one blow.

" Sorry I must have skipped over that one part where u stated that u liked how ever was badass but come on avatar did not suck no "Noramal wizard" could have beaten them why else do u think the magic council got involved.

Magic Council got involved because the avatar's overall plan was diabolical.

" Okay I do agree this arc was a bit anti climatic but it's not like it was gonna be a big arc anyway I noticed that when Natsu and them dominated the avatar army and 1. Natsu did not 1 shot the god it took 2 with the second being his new badass move fire dragon king's crumbling fist

Well whether it was one or two punches, it doesn't change the fact that the god didn't get much of a chance to put up a fight. And that only makes me wonder if I should be excited or not if we get to see another one of those gods in the future. Though The fist attack was indeed epic. I loved it!

" 2. Even if it took a godslayer or someone else to take that thing down the most it would have been was an extra chapter. Though again I do agree this was anticlimactic I mean I was expecting some big brawl with avatar where Natsu and gray fight (surprise never thought that would happen *he said sarcastically) then the magic council shows up they meet up with levy and gajeel then whoop a avatars ass with only the boss and top six or whatever left. It would have been better if erza showed up saying something went wrong with the plan then Juvia and them show up and Juvia brings Gray to his senses. Then they would work together to defeat avatar and after every Fairy Tail member would work togheter to bring back Fairy Tail, but it did not happen that way and the end result is the same plus it was good to see Natsu and them dominate for once and think about if Natsu has become that over powered then that must mean he is about to have his final battle with Zeref and Acnologia and if he would have struggled with that God then Zeref and Acnologia would have been able to kill him in one blow

I do agree with the anticlimactic part, and that scenario you made up there was basically what I pretty much what I had in mind with this arc.

I hope your still not thinking I am calling this arc bullshit, because I'm not. I'm just saying that overall I ws underwhelmed by this arc rather than perfectly satisfied with what I just read. Like if I was to give it a score in a scale of 1-10, I would brobably give it around a 6 to a 6.5.

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May 12, 2015 1:50 PM

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Because Mashima is retarded and his writing has gone down the depths of Tartatus.
He needs a woman in his life, all this horny subtext must come from somewhere.
He also needs and Editor that tells him to cut the shit.

This is just to show how strong everyone has gotten after a year of training like the first episode of fairy tail when Natsu owned the fake salamander. After this they are probably bring back Fairy Tail and some emotional stuff is gonna go down then Natsu is gonna have his final battle with Zeref and Acnologia. Secrets will be revealed and more emotional stuff is gonna go down, so deal with it and wait until the next actual arc.

You don´t summon something that´s called "THE GOD OF WAR" to fodderize it in a one hit KO.
You don´t do that in any fiction ever,No author with half a brain does this WORST OF ALL this guy is a callback to Megido from Rave one of 5 endgame bosses of the series.
Hiro should know better.

Fodderize all of Avatar, make their commanders fodder, 100000, 1 million make it 2 million fodder guys, Get them all onehshotted in one sweep attack NO problem with that.

But you do not label something a "god" build it up with whole spread panels make it look badass to get it oneshotted without any effort.

This is writing none of the big 3 during their worst times have delivered ever. Naruto One Piece even Bleach and similar series like Toriko, Taizai, HunterxHunter heck even Sailor moon who had atrocious writing didn´t pull such bullshit.

If you think at this point that Fairy tail has even remotely the writing quality of the Big 3 then you just have no respect for literature.[/quote]
1st of all that was not a real God at his full power do u think a real God at full power would have been summonded by that Moronic zeref fan girl. Plus the so called God never even used magic it just punched the ground a few times.
2nd of all let me ask u this how many shots do u think it would take the immortal Black Wizard Zeref to take out that fake God and how many for aconologia who's so far only real challenge has been igneel who he killed?
3rd of all how many shots do think Natsu should have beaten that thing In if he wants to stand a chance in the final battle between Zeref and Acnologia?

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May 12, 2015 1:53 PM

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sweet5 said:

KingAce261 said:

sweet5 said:

KingAce261 said:

sweet5 said:
Pros:
1. - Natsu and the rest of the team have developed strength wise. (And it was pretty cool imo)
2. Natsu remembering igneel probably the first time during this time skip was very sweet.

Cons: The villains were VERY disappointing. ( Seriously though hiro, don't waste time building them up if they were going to get one-shotted in the end. I mean u had the guy summon A FREAKIN GOD and made natsu defeat him like it was nothing. Plus the avatar members and their powers sucked balls.)

Well at least this arc is ending. Hopefully the fights in the future are going to have legitimate fighting instad of just another demonstration on how powerful natsu is now. Trust me Hiro, Natsu ONE-SHOTTING a GOD was a clear picture of his strength. Just want to find all these fairy tail members already so we can get to the good stuff.

Like...
-Is gray really going to kill frosch?
-E.N.D'S appearance
-Zeref
-Acnologia
-where the heck is Makarov?!

Crossing my fingers that the announcement has something to do with a new movie.

Well I agree with you like 70%. Your cons don't make since cuz u can basically think of this as the first episode of a new series where they show off the characters power. Avatar did ot suck dick Natsu and them were just super strong that was what hiro was trying to show. And before u say they did remember that even the magic council was worried about them. I like your likes and agree that I wanna get to the part where FT is back and questions answered, but come on this was a good arc it showed how beast Natsu and the others got and it was not just avatar and the God remeber Blue Note who it took Gildarts to beat, This time Natsu beat him with one attack, I mean u have to admit this was a good arc for displaying how strong everyone got and if u are still mad deal with it cuz Natsu had to become overpowered of he is to stand a chance in the final battle with Zeref and Acnologia.

Not that I'm trying to totally disagree with you here, but I'm just going to address some points into what you just said:

&quot;Your cons don't make since cuz u can basically think of this as the first episode of a new series where they show off the characters power.&quot;

1- First of all, I already stated in my pros that I liked that this arc demonstrated the teams' developed strength. Infact, I thought almost everybody looked BADASS at some point.

&quot; Avatar did ot suck dick Natsu and them were just super strong that was what hiro was trying to show&quot;

2- Are you kidding me?! The avatar villains were terrible!

-one caused stomach aches
-one could only clone themselves
-one got goats to lick people's feet
-the puppeteer guy...See, I already forgot what happen to him!

Jerome and the master were okay, but that's besides the point. These people were supposed to be a part of a new era, as said by the arlock guy (refer back to 424) but they were taken down in one-punch. *_*. The GOD almost didn't even get to do a single thing! And we won't ever know how powerful it was now because it was defeated within a span of 5 pages.

&quot; but come on this was a good arc it showed how beast Natsu and the others got and it was not just avatar and the God remeber Blue Note who it took Gildarts to beat, This time Natsu beat him with one attack, I mean u have to admit this was a good arc for displaying how strong everyone got and if u are still mad deal with it cuz Natsu had to become overpowered of he is to stand a chance in the final battle with Zeref and Acnologia.&quot;

3- I never said this was a bad arc. I just mean it could've been better. And yes like you said, Natsu one-shotting Bluenote was a good demonstation of his power. But all that means is that there really was no need for mashima to make Natsu do a one-shot finale twice if we were already clarified that fact. (I won't lie though. He did look epic in both of those attacks)

Overall the arc was just a bunch of pointless build-up that lead to disappointment. Yes, the fairy tail team are all powerful now, but if that can't be illustrated in a legitimate fight then that just makes everything confusing and makes people like me worried about how fights are going to go in the future.

Sorry I must have skipped over that one part where u stated that u liked how ever was badass but come on avatar did not suck no "Noramal wizard" could have beaten them why else do u think the magic council got involved. Okay I do agree this arc was a bit anti climatic but it's not like it was gonna be a big arc anyway I noticed that when Natsu and them dominated the avatar army and 1. Natsu did not 1 shot the god it took 2 with the second being his new badass move fire dragon king's crumbling fist 2. Even if it took a godslayer or someone else to take that thing down the most it would have been was an extra chapter. Though again I do agree this was anticlimactic I mean I was expecting some big brawl with avatar where Natsu and gray fight (surprise never thought that would happen *he said sarcastically) then the magic council shows up they meet up with levy and gajeel then whoop a avatars ass with only the boss and top six or whatever left. It would have been better if erza showed up saying something went wrong with the plan then Juvia and them show up and Juvia brings Gray to his senses. Then they would work together to defeat avatar and after every Fairy Tail member would work togheter to bring back Fairy Tail, but it did not happen that way and the end result is the same plus it was good to see Natsu and them dominate for once and think about if Natsu has become that over powered then that must mean he is about to have his final battle with Zeref and Acnologia and if he would have struggled with that God then Zeref and Acnologia would have been able to kill him in one blow.

&quot; Sorry I must have skipped over that one part where u stated that u liked how ever was badass but come on avatar did not suck no "Noramal wizard" could have beaten them why else do u think the magic council got involved.

Magic Council got involved because the avatar's overall plan was diabolical.

&quot; Okay I do agree this arc was a bit anti climatic but it's not like it was gonna be a big arc anyway I noticed that when Natsu and them dominated the avatar army and 1. Natsu did not 1 shot the god it took 2 with the second being his new badass move fire dragon king's crumbling fist

Well whether it was one or two punches, it doesn't change the fact that the god didn't get much of a chance to put up a fight. And that only makes me wonder if I should be excited or not if we get to see another one of those gods in the future. Though The fist attack was indeed epic. I loved it!

&quot; 2. Even if it took a godslayer or someone else to take that thing down the most it would have been was an extra chapter. Though again I do agree this was anticlimactic I mean I was expecting some big brawl with avatar where Natsu and gray fight (surprise never thought that would happen *he said sarcastically) then the magic council shows up they meet up with levy and gajeel then whoop a avatars ass with only the boss and top six or whatever left. It would have been better if erza showed up saying something went wrong with the plan then Juvia and them show up and Juvia brings Gray to his senses. Then they would work together to defeat avatar and after every Fairy Tail member would work togheter to bring back Fairy Tail, but it did not happen that way and the end result is the same plus it was good to see Natsu and them dominate for once and think about if Natsu has become that over powered then that must mean he is about to have his final battle with Zeref and Acnologia and if he would have struggled with that God then Zeref and Acnologia would have been able to kill him in one blow

I do agree with the anticlimactic part, and that scenario you made up there was basically what I pretty much what I had in mind with this arc.

I hope your still not thinking I am calling this arc bullshit, because I'm not. I'm just saying that overall I ws underwhelmed by this arc rather than perfectly satisfied with what I just read. Like if I was to give it a score in a scale of 1-10, I would brobably give it around a 6 to a 6.5.

I would give it a 7 and no I do not think that u think this arc is bull shit anymore. Plus if it makes u feel better this was just a mini arc and the final battle between Natsu zeref and aconologia is coming up and I know that fight will be beast. Though this actually makes me sad cuz I have a feeling that not long after final battle Fairy Tail will end. *cries

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Well I know Hiro knowsthere will be blacklash from fans and Haterswill love tearing thisseries a new one if peole have av problem with chapter just go onto his twiiter and complain him maybe he will respond or take another shot at the god story.Doesn't Hiro let his fans have to much power over him.

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Well I know Hiro knowsthere will be blacklash from fans and Haterswill love tearing thisseries a new one if peole have av problem with chapter just go onto his twiiter and complain him maybe he will respond or take another shot at the god story.Doesn't Hiro let his fans have to much power over him.

That's the worst idea. It's how we ended up in this stupid situation to begin with

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Darklight0303 said:

taylor_micahl said:
Well I know Hiro knowsthere will be blacklash from fans and Haterswill love tearing thisseries a new one if peole have av problem with chapter just go onto his twiiter and complain him maybe he will respond or take another shot at the god story.Doesn't Hiro let his fans have to much power over him.

That's the worst idea. It's how we ended up in this stupid situation to begin with

So People have went to his twitter and complain to him? This is an question about Avatars how can I get a picture to show up when I post I already have one for my profile.

May 12, 2015 3:23 PM

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Darklight0303 said:

That's the worst idea. It's how we ended up in this stupid situation to begin with

So People have went to his twitter and complain to him? This is an question about Avatars how can I get a picture to show up when I post I already have one for my profile.

Yes people have complained to him over twitter both about this arc and a few others in the past to the point that he even made a statement about Scanlations since the fucking morons who posted at him did it BEFORE the chapter was even officially out in Japan.

The last thing any author should do is obey his fandom's wishes.

May 12, 2015 4:50 PM

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I need more from this arc . Need something more serious for Natsu and shows the dragons are the most powerful at this time.

Dude this is a mini arc and judging from Natsu's power the final battle is comming up not long after Fairy Tail gets back together so suck it up you big baby and just deal with it till the beast final battle

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May 12, 2015 6:53 PM

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Lively discussion so far. There have been some fair points that we simply do not know enough about these 'gods' to judge this chapter TOO harshly, but I do feel it is understandable that some people felt that this was rather anticlimactic (I was rather judgmental myself in my last post). Still, I do agree that we should see how things progress from here, particularly on how the quality of the sacrifice influences the summoned god's power, before being too angry. I do admit that I am still not a huge fan of this chapter though.

May 12, 2015 10:42 PM

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trump54 said:
again who will ever be a challenge for him or any of them????

New Characters. New Guilds. I really don't know too. Thinking logically, it makes little sense.

May 12, 2015 10:45 PM

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KingAce261 said:

trump54 said:

well they still cant beat dragons yet if I remember Mavis made a note of this

Doesn't this basically mean that dragons are the must powerful entity I mean Natsu can kill demons and a god but he had to train a lot and will probebly still struggle with aconologia but I have to agree with Shawki on this one. I mean what is the point of having slayer magic if it is only slightly more useful on gods/demons. I like that dragons are the ultimate immortal entries but come now now it just seems like hiro only made godslayers to give Natsu a flame user challenge and only made devil slayers to give gray a story and make him more useful and kinda even with Natsu and gajeel. I'm kinda okay with that but the story would be better if gods could only be killed my Godslayers and Demons by Devil/demon slayers just like dragon slayer magic is the only magic that has any, even if only a minimal, effect on Dragons

it's called Dragon slayer magic because they were thought by dragons or have the magic power of dragons and also because they were given power to fight dragons, by the dragons. So yeah. It doesn't necessarily mean it's only against dragons, cos it worked on humans and there ain't no special human slaying magic lol

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KingAce261 said:

Doesn't this basically mean that dragons are the must powerful entity I mean Natsu can kill demons and a god but he had to train a lot and will probebly still struggle with aconologia but I have to agree with Shawki on this one. I mean what is the point of having slayer magic if it is only slightly more useful on gods/demons. I like that dragons are the ultimate immortal entries but come now now it just seems like hiro only made godslayers to give Natsu a flame user challenge and only made devil slayers to give gray a story and make him more useful and kinda even with Natsu and gajeel. I'm kinda okay with that but the story would be better if gods could only be killed my Godslayers and Demons by Devil/demon slayers just like dragon slayer magic is the only magic that has any, even if only a minimal, effect on Dragons

it's called Dragon slayer magic because they were thought by dragons or have the magic power of dragons and also because they were given power to fight dragons, by the dragons. So yeah. It doesn't necessarily mean it's only against dragons, cos it worked on humans and there ain't no special human slaying magic lol

Okay I think I get what u r saying. So basically dragonslayer Magic which is literally magic taught by dragons has effect on gods and monsters because dragons themselves can fight and or destroy gods and demons and would this mean second generation can only kill dragons since they were never actually taught by dragons. While in comparison godslaying and devil slayer magic was never taight by the actual entities so it only has effect on the enity it was created to slay, but still God and devil slayer magic seems to have been made for only the characters themselves cuz apparently it is not the only magic that has effect since regular non slayer wizards were able to fight against the demons from tartuas. I guess u could say ice devil slayer magic did have more effect but still u can really only say it was made to give gray a power up and a story. Gods layer magic so far seems it was just made to create challenges for dragonslayers and what is Gajeel I know he is a dragonslayer but he also has a god move: Karma Demon Iron God Sword, now that I think about it sounds like he is all 3.

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trump54 said:
again who will ever be a challenge for him or any of them????

New Characters. New Guilds. I really don't know too. Thinking logically, it makes little sense.

It does not really matter cuz judging from their power the final battle between Natsu aconologia and zeref is coming up

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Lively discussion so far. There have been some fair points that we simply do not know enough about these 'gods' to judge this chapter TOO harshly, but I do feel it is understandable that some people felt that this was rather anticlimactic (I was rather judgmental myself in my last post). Still, I do agree that we should see how things progress from here, particularly on how the quality of the sacrifice influences the summoned god's power, before being too angry. I do admit that I am still not a huge fan of this chapter though.

Well it's not like u could expect much from this chapter it was a mini arc and all that "God" did was punch the ground it never even used magic so I knew from the Moment it was summoned that it would be owned easily by Natsu who really just beat the rest to the punch

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Okay I think I get what u r saying. So basically dragonslayer Magic which is literally magic taught by dragons has effect on gods and monsters because dragons themselves can fight and or destroy gods and demons and would this mean second generation can only kill dragons since they were never actually taught by dragons. While in comparison godslaying and devil slayer magic was never taight by the actual entities so it only has effect on the enity it was created to slay, but still God and devil slayer magic seems to have been made for only the characters themselves cuz apparently it is not the only magic that has effect since regular non slayer wizards were able to fight against the demons from tartuas. I guess u could say ice devil slayer magic did have more effect but still u can really only say it was made to give gray a power up and a story. Gods layer magic so far seems it was just made to create challenges for dragonslayers and what is Gajeel I know he is a dragonslayer but he also has a god move: Karma Demon Iron God Sword, now that I think about it sounds like he is all 3.

I´ll explain this,God slayer never got taught by "actual gods" Zancrov got told by Master Hades Chelia´s god slaying magic is self taught from a book and we don´t know where Ogre learned his from, but possibly something similar. Aka it´s not the real deal, still seems not to stop Laxus from being a beast. Hiro is the most inconsistent mangaka I know especially in Fairy Tail. He writes with the Gurren Lagann principle if it´s cool people won´t ask if it makes sense, sadly Fairy Tail is a long runner and doesn´t look as cool.

The problem with Hiro, and his writing even before he wrote Fairy tail in Rave was, he invents a universe, he puts characters into this universe that use abilities, but he never scales them or gives them rules. He never improved that in 12 years.There is no rock paper sciccors or powerlevels or a logical explanation behind Hiros power system. Attacks can be used at random, there are no explanations given why Ichiya can onehit Bacchus while Elfman is too slow to hit him and has to tank 1 billion attacks to win against him.
There is no explanation why Laxus can tank Juras attacks but Jura falls down oneshot against him. There is also no explanation how Natsu beat Laxus when it was necessary, but loses onehit to Erza and Laxus when he challenges them.

Chakra has a logical explanation with clear rules to it. Haki has clear rules to it in what it does and what you can do with it, the same applies to Devil fruits, same goes for Nen and Ki.For Hiro it is,the last rule he called out applies, doesn´t matter if it contradicts former established one, because he called that rules on a whim anyway. I still don´t know what Natsu did to eat Zancrows flames, but i overlooked it.
So if Hiro said at one instance. Dragon Slayers can only eat their own element.Hiro will break that rule without ever giving an explanation. If he was to put a limiter to the exhaustion levels of magic (a mana pool), the whole concept of Fairy tail would crumble because apparently friendship speeches refill that manapool to maximum.

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KingAce261 said:

Doesn't this basically mean that dragons are the must powerful entity I mean Natsu can kill demons and a god but he had to train a lot and will probebly still struggle with aconologia but I have to agree with Shawki on this one. I mean what is the point of having slayer magic if it is only slightly more useful on gods/demons. I like that dragons are the ultimate immortal entries but come now now it just seems like hiro only made godslayers to give Natsu a flame user challenge and only made devil slayers to give gray a story and make him more useful and kinda even with Natsu and gajeel. I'm kinda okay with that but the story would be better if gods could only be killed my Godslayers and Demons by Devil/demon slayers just like dragon slayer magic is the only magic that has any, even if only a minimal, effect on Dragons

it's called Dragon slayer magic because they were thought by dragons or have the magic power of dragons and also because they were given power to fight dragons, by the dragons. So yeah. It doesn't necessarily mean it's only against dragons, cos it worked on humans and there ain't no special human slaying magic lol

It's called Dragon Slayer Magic because it is the ONLY Magic that can even scratch a dragon. We already saw proof that any other magic against dragons is COMPLETELY ineffective. Hell Orga was fighting dragons at the GMG and didn't even budge them an inch. And he's a godslayer. Jura fared no better. Because any magic other than Dragon Slayer is completely negated.

Magical immunity is the theme of dragons in many works.

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This just in from Mashima's twitter.

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Don't post in Mashima's twitter damnit :(
We don't need another fantranslation backlash, has none learned from last time?

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This just in from Mashima's twitter.

The guy with the full body armor is still left, he's gonna absorb the metal from the god of war or something, but Gajeel is still there XD

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Don't post in Mashima's twitter damnit :(
We don't need another fantranslation backlash, has none learned from last time?

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This just in from Mashima's twitter.

The guy with the full body armor is still left, he's gonna absorb the metal from the god of war or something, but Gajeel is still there XD

It's okay to post to him now since the chapter was officially released. That's what that tweet represents.

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It's okay to post to him now since the chapter was officially released. That's what that tweet represents.

Has he loosened his grip on translations? :O

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Darklight0303 said:

It's okay to post to him now since the chapter was officially released. That's what that tweet represents.

Has he loosened his grip on translations? :O

No the translations come out on crunchyroll around the same time as the official release in Japan

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This just in from Mashima's twitter.

Oh now that's interesting. Do you think it'll have to do something with frosch's death or Zeref?

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Darklight0303 said:
This just in from Mashima's twitter.

Oh now that's interesting. Do you think it'll have to do something with frosch's death or Zeref?

No the god will regenerate, plottwist it aint dead yet.

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Z4k said:

Oh now that's interesting. Do you think it'll have to do something with frosch's death or Zeref?

No the god will regenerate, plottwist it aint dead yet.

Mashimas reaction to his fanbase

If that would happen, he would be a bigger troll than Kubo, The student surpasses the master, or something xd

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If that would happen, he would be a bigger troll than Kubo, The student surpasses the master, or something xd

Not really, he has done regeneration bullshit before and even Oda has done this. I rather have this then bullshit Natsu onehits.

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If that would happen, he would be a bigger troll than Kubo, The student surpasses the master, or something xd

Not really, he has done regeneration bullshit before and even Oda has done this. I rather have this then bullshit Natsu onehits.

Oda kinda did it recently with Doffy and how he rearranged the position of his organs. Not exactly the same thing, whatever... I kinda explained (well tried haha), what's the deal with Lullaby 2.0. So yeah can't say more.

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Oda kinda did it recently with Doffy and how he rearranged the position of his organs. Not the same, whatever... I kinda explained (well tried haha), what's the deal with Lullaby 2.0. So yeah can't say more.

I like Lullaby and I had the very same impression just on a larger scale.
I don´t mind recycling concepts if they are better than oneshot fests without effort.

A group effort and the group maybe even getting exhaused? That´s ok that´s not bullshit.

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metsujin said:

Oda kinda did it recently with Doffy and how he rearranged the position of his organs. Not the same, whatever... I kinda explained (well tried haha), what's the deal with Lullaby 2.0. So yeah can't say more.

I like Lullaby and I had the very same impression just on a larger scale.
I don´t mind recycling concepts if they are better than oneshot fests without effort.

A group effort and the group maybe even getting exhaused? That´s ok that´s not bullshit.

I would've liked if they teamed up too, I get it, that Natsu is END and his trying to show that "Hey, this guy's gonna wreck shit" or whatever, it could've been handle better, yes. This is underwhelming. I still enjoy FT, I mean it entertains me.

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OOOOO i hope someon dies
mabey rogue
then frosch can go live ieth gray

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Okay Natsu was really amazing there. I wonder who can beat him up now, he's in a whole new level.
If Wendy can go on dragon force as her will now, Natsu probably can do it too (nothing against Wendy, i love her, but we all know that Natsu is pretty stronger).
So the question is: Can Natsu enter in dragon force and lightning flame mode AT THE SAME TIME?
If we combine dragon force + lightning flame + dragon king's flames = powerfull as hell.
And he still has his curse (he doesn't even know that, but we know he probably have one curse like other demons).
Waiting for next chap.

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metsujin said:

Isterio said:

I like Lullaby and I had the very same impression just on a larger scale.
I don´t mind recycling concepts if they are better than oneshot fests without effort.

A group effort and the group maybe even getting exhaused? That´s ok that´s not bullshit.

I would've liked if they teamed up too, I get it, that Natsu is END and his trying to show that "Hey, this guy's gonna wreck shit" or whatever, it could've been handle better, yes. This is underwhelming. I still enjoy FT, I mean it entertains me.

One of the "recycling concept" IS the one shot win attack, you know. XD

Actually the fight itself really sub-average. The plot for regrouping FT members was good actually, but i still never understand what's the point of those antagonist especially that *The Hulk mode* 'puny god' appearance, apparently the god ability lies on his sword, because it's so big and heavy that it can split the ground --, perhaps Hiro want to say that "size doesn't matter", yeah XD.

In the end, the fight close to waste of pages. Not this is a new thing from this manga, but sometime i just want to address it.

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metsujin said:

Isterio said:

No the god will regenerate, plottwist it aint dead yet.

Mashimas reaction to his fanbase

If that would happen, he would be a bigger troll than Kubo, The student surpasses the master, or something xd

What a tease to his fans :P

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I thogh avatar will be as strong as tartarus but i was wrong .. or natsu became reidiculously strong XD

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Okay I think I get what u r saying. So basically dragonslayer Magic which is literally magic taught by dragons has effect on gods and monsters because dragons themselves can fight and or destroy gods and demons and would this mean second generation can only kill dragons since they were never actually taught by dragons. While in comparison godslaying and devil slayer magic was never taight by the actual entities so it only has effect on the enity it was created to slay, but still God and devil slayer magic seems to have been made for only the characters themselves cuz apparently it is not the only magic that has effect since regular non slayer wizards were able to fight against the demons from tartuas. I guess u could say ice devil slayer magic did have more effect but still u can really only say it was made to give gray a power up and a story. Gods layer magic so far seems it was just made to create challenges for dragonslayers and what is Gajeel I know he is a dragonslayer but he also has a god move: Karma Demon Iron God Sword, now that I think about it sounds like he is all 3.

I´ll explain this,God slayer never got taught by "actual gods" Zancrov got told by Master Hades Chelia´s god slaying magic is self taught from a book and we don´t know where Ogre learned his from, but possibly something similar. Aka it´s not the real deal, still seems not to stop Laxus from being a beast. Hiro is the most inconsistent mangaka I know especially in Fairy Tail. He writes with the Gurren Lagann principle if it´s cool people won´t ask if it makes sense, sadly Fairy Tail is a long runner and doesn´t look as cool.

The problem with Hiro, and his writing even before he wrote Fairy tail in Rave was, he invents a universe, he puts characters into this universe that use abilities, but he never scales them or gives them rules. He never improved that in 12 years.There is no rock paper sciccors or powerlevels or a logical explanation behind Hiros power system. Attacks can be used at random, there are no explanations given why Ichiya can onehit Bacchus while Elfman is too slow to hit him and has to tank 1 billion attacks to win against him.
There is no explanation why Laxus can tank Juras attacks but Jura falls down oneshot against him. There is also no explanation how Natsu beat Laxus when it was necessary, but loses onehit to Erza and Laxus when he challenges them.

Chakra has a logical explanation with clear rules to it. Haki has clear rules to it in what it does and what you can do with it, the same applies to Devil fruits, same goes for Nen and Ki.For Hiro it is,the last rule he called out applies, doesn´t matter if it contradicts former established one, because he called that rules on a whim anyway. I still don´t know what Natsu did to eat Zancrows flames, but i overlooked it.
So if Hiro said at one instance. Dragon Slayers can only eat their own element.Hiro will break that rule without ever giving an explanation. If he was to put a limiter to the exhaustion levels of magic (a mana pool), the whole concept of Fairy tail would crumble because apparently friendship speeches refill that manapool to maximum.

Not all of that is random first of all Icyia definetly lost to Bacchus cuz he was relying on a cat who's only ability was to look like him and fly. Laxus Vs. Jura was not a one shot he used a couple of moves and that final attack was a Dragon Slayer secret art which are the most powerful dragonslayer moves remeber when Natsu used one he was able to push back Gildarts and did a little damage
Natsu always loses to Laxus and erza cuz he is not really serious and doesn't use magic I mean he would obvisouly maybe beat them if he went lightning flame dragon mode and he beat Laxus cuz 1. Laxus was not as strong as now
2. He and Gajeel double teamed him
3. Natsu got really serious when he saw Laxus start attacking and bad mouthing the guild
Plus u can not call that a win both gajeel and Natsu agreed that they barely even tied cuz afterwards those two had waaaay more injuries than Laxus
And Natsu ate God flames by dispelling all of his magic power and turned himself into a vessel so he could eat God fire

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it's called Dragon slayer magic because they were thought by dragons or have the magic power of dragons and also because they were given power to fight dragons, by the dragons. So yeah. It doesn't necessarily mean it's only against dragons, cos it worked on humans and there ain't no special human slaying magic lol

It's called Dragon Slayer Magic because it is the ONLY Magic that can even scratch a dragon. We already saw proof that any other magic against dragons is COMPLETELY ineffective. Hell Orga was fighting dragons at the GMG and didn't even budge them an inch. And he's a godslayer. Jura fared no better. Because any magic other than Dragon Slayer is completely negated.

Magical immunity is the theme of dragons in many works.

Yeah so just like I was saying Dragons are the most powerful beings seeing as Dragonslayer Magic is the only thing that can damage them even if only a little, in comparison demons, gods or whatever that thing was, and other monsters can be hurt by literally any magic I betcha u could just whack one with a stick and they would still feel it unlike dragons who only feel pain from dragons slayer magic or other dragons, in other words dragons are basically overpowered.

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Not all of that is random first of all Icyia definetly lost to Bacchus cuz he was relying on a cat who's only ability was to look like him and fly.

Y, just wrong that Ichiya lost, Ichiya won this in a oneshote by using his perfum to hulk up. and Oneshote Bachus+some random dude onehit, it was bullshit it wasn´t fun and it degraded everything Elfman stood for.

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Not all of that is random first of all Icyia definetly lost to Bacchus cuz he was relying on a cat who's only ability was to look like him and fly.

Y, just wrong that Ichiya lost, Ichiya won this in a oneshote by using his perfum to hulk up. and Oneshote Bachus+some random dude onehit, it was bullshit it wasn´t fun and it degraded everything Elfman stood for.

Okay I remebr now it was partners and after icy it's stupid cat double got Ko'd he got made and Bacchus was way of guard plus isn't iychiya supposed to be more powerful than elfman

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Just read the double-chapter. It really disappointed me. We already saw Natsu show off how strong he's gotten. I was hoping to see Lucy, Juvia and Wendy fight a bit more. Especially Juvia and Grey, being that she's been training with him, I had hoped to see some more combo moves from them. These last few chapters have been boring and dumb. They set up this whole purification ritual only to have it not even peak with excitement. An immediate KO? Really? Really....
That god-beast thing..natsu was like the size of an ant compared to it. lol.

Fairy tail is just getting silly. Smh -_-

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