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| I'm not offended at all, on any level. Matter of fact, if you people were having this discussion on the general discussion thread or smth, I wouldn't mind: it's just that, like I said, flooding the thread with complaints about Shirou not being good enough is not the best way to encourage newcomers or others who don't know VN Shirou to talk about the episode. It's not normal that after 1,000+ replies to the thread one can hardly spot more than one comment about the episode overall on a single page. |
SapewlothApr 6, 2015 4:59 PM
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| So should I stop doing what I do? Because I agree with you. |
| "When they're alive, you can enjoy watching them struggle. When they're dead, you can enjoy tearing out their guts. Tales are things you get to enjoy twice." |
| Prolly, I guess. Or at the very least take the discussion somewhere no one risks being bothered by it, if you still feel like arguing. |
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| wel there is a VN VS anime thread. it's a much better spot for a discussion like this. especially since now we can't have a general thread |
CookingPriest said: GangstaPriest said: Well, for a supposedly veteran cooking priest you're quite heavy handed with the salt, Fai. It's fine to have complaints about ufo's portrayal of Shirou but what you're doing here is literally polluting the discussion thread with your constant ranting. I mean, you should seriously consider taking that shit somewhere else, cause the on-going discussion doesn't encourage newcomers to comment on the episode like, at all. Well I am sorry that me having a well argumented criticism OFFENDS you on a personal level. Setting aside for a moment whether or not your criticism is actually "well argumented" (is that even a real word?), the problem is we've all heard it a million times before and I'm not sure what you expect to gain by repeating it endlessly. The people who agree have all heard it before. The people who don't will never be swayed. Everybody else is just tired of it and doesn't even bother coming here anymore. So why does this topic keep coming up in every thread? Actually, no need to bother answering that. I suppose that's none of my business anyways. |
Maloghurst said: wel there is a VN VS anime thread. it's a much better spot for a discussion like this. especially since now we can't have a general thread Yep. Whatever the discussion is, I will only respond there. |
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| Finally got the time to watch this. I was hype for this but it felt like a let down. How important is Archer in this series? Judging from the OP and his resolve to betray Rin for his own agenda, it makes me feel like he's the actual main character. All that mushy shit with Rin and Shirou felt like bad timing to me. I think they would make a good couple, but both just lost their servants. They have other things to talk about than their relationship. Lastly, why are they even trying. They aren't masters anymore, so they can't even partake in the game. Plus Archer's plead kept them alive and safe, they're in no danger. Why are they trying to beat Caster? |
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ImTheGuy said: Finally got the time to watch this. I was hype for this but it felt like a let down. How important is Archer in this series? Judging from the OP and his resolve to betray Rin for his own agenda, it makes me feel like he's the actual main character. All that mushy shit with Rin and Shirou felt like bad timing to me. I think they would make a good couple, but both just lost their servants. They have other things to talk about than their relationship. Lastly, why are they even trying. They aren't masters anymore, so they can't even partake in the game. Plus Archer's plead kept them alive and safe, they're in no danger. Why are they trying to beat Caster? Archer isn't the main but he's a driving force behind the story. I mean she did ask him why he saved her and he answered her truthfully. Shirou in particular doesn't want the grail to end up in the wrong hands and have another incident like the Fuyukie fires from 10 years ago happen again. |
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ImTheGuy said: How important is Archer in this series? Judging from the OP and his resolve to betray Rin for his own agenda, it makes me feel like he's the actual main character. He's most important Servant in the route. ;) Because of that, he gets a lot of focus. ImTheGuy said: All that mushy shit with Rin and Shirou felt like bad timing to me. I think they would make a good couple, but both just lost their servants. They have other things to talk about than their relationship. Oh come on, Rin was emotionally devastated, especially when you consider who Archer is (no, I'm not spoiling that; you should be able to figure out by now :P ). There is enough time to make plans and whatnot - actually, next episode they're back to business. ImTheGuy said: Lastly, why are they even trying. They aren't masters anymore, so they can't even partake in the game. Plus Archer's plead kept them alive and safe, they're in no danger. Why are they trying to beat Caster? If you forgot end of ep12, let me remind you: Shirou wants both to help Rin and take back Saber from Caster. Not to mention, leaving Caster alive means there are pretty big chances whole city will die. Also, Holy Grail in wrong hands might lead to repetition of the great fire which happened 10 years ago. Rin's reasoning is similar to Shirou's. |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
ImTheGuy said: Finally got the time to watch this. I was hype for this but it felt like a let down. How important is Archer in this series? Judging from the OP and his resolve to betray Rin for his own agenda, it makes me feel like he's the actual main character. Well... I mean... He's obviously pretty fucking important. ImTheGuy said: All that mushy shit with Rin and Shirou felt like bad timing to me. I think they would make a good couple, but both just lost their servants. They have other things to talk about than their relationship. No? What are they going to talk about? How to beat down on other masters? How to get more servants? They're out of the game, so to speak. Should they be that desperate to get back into a death game where the overseer is dead and a servant commands three other servants and a massive pool of mana? The "mushy shit" was perfectly timed. Rin just got betrayed by Archer, that's a hefty blow, so is it that weird for Shirou to comfort her at a time like this? ImTheGuy said: Lastly, why are they even trying. They aren't masters anymore, so they can't even partake in the game. Plus Archer's plead kept them alive and safe, they're in no danger. Why are they trying to beat Caster? Because she's holding the city hostage for mana? For various reasons, neither of them can just let that happen. Besides, they didn't even say they were going to try to beat Caster aside from a vague threat of vengeance. |
ImTheGuy said: they dont want to sit by and let caster just potentially kill everybody. that moment in the clearing was because they needed a moment. people can only take so much all things considering. it will probably sink in better when everything comes out as to why rin was as hurt as she was. something like this would have hurt anyways but there is also more to it. i don't see a reason why they couldnt take a couple of minutes after all that has just happened.....a couple of minutes wouldnt matter...a thing to keep in mind is that saber was taken just the previous dayFinally got the time to watch this. I was hype for this but it felt like a let down. How important is Archer in this series? Judging from the OP and his resolve to betray Rin for his own agenda, it makes me feel like he's the actual main character. All that mushy shit with Rin and Shirou felt like bad timing to me. I think they would make a good couple, but both just lost their servants. They have other things to talk about than their relationship. Lastly, why are they even trying. They aren't masters anymore, so they can't even partake in the game. Plus Archer's plead kept them alive and safe, they're in no danger. Why are they trying to beat Caster? |
MaloghurstApr 6, 2015 6:32 PM
ImTheGuy said: Archer is a main character, on the level of importance that Rin and Shirou are. Finally got the time to watch this. I was hype for this but it felt like a let down. How important is Archer in this series? Judging from the OP and his resolve to betray Rin for his own agenda, it makes me feel like he's the actual main character. All that mushy shit with Rin and Shirou felt like bad timing to me. I think they would make a good couple, but both just lost their servants. They have other things to talk about than their relationship. Lastly, why are they even trying. They aren't masters anymore, so they can't even partake in the game. Plus Archer's plead kept them alive and safe, they're in no danger. Why are they trying to beat Caster? In my opinion, they skipped some of the wrong scenes in the back-to-back scene with RinxShirou. Romance in my opinion wasn't the main thing there... It was more like Rin trying to be honest with herself / being herself. And some more about Rin's character. The next episode should be useful for the last part, perhaps? But I don't see sense in giving up at this point. |
| "When they're alive, you can enjoy watching them struggle. When they're dead, you can enjoy tearing out their guts. Tales are things you get to enjoy twice." |
Mikedrew said: Someone makes a post with a mixed view of the episode, and subsequently has every one of his complaints picked apart by the next 6 users. Yup, just like old times :D Think of it this way, if even I bothered to say something, you know that's some bullshit right there. |
Mikedrew said: Someone makes a post with a mixed view of the episode, and subsequently has every one of his complaints picked apart by the next 6 users. Yup, just like old times :D Well... *scratches back of his head* I can't resist answering Fate/ related questions... A-ha-ha~... |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
Mikedrew said: Someone makes a post with a mixed view of the episode, and subsequently has every one of his complaints picked apart by the next 6 users. Yup, just like old times :D 'discussion' thread. My intent isn't to pick it apart it's to fill in gaps or remind them of things from previous episodes. fst said: Think of it this way, if even I bothered to say something, you know that's some bullshit right there. I don't think what he said was too outrageous though... |
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nocorras said: fst said: Think of it this way, if even I bothered to say something, you know that's some bullshit right there. I don't think what he said was too outrageous though... That's kind of the point. I never say anything when people comment about how dump Shirou is, for example. |
| Lol yea thanks for the explanations. Some of the stuff from the 1st season slipped my mind. But now I'm questioning how are they going to beat Caster. I don't think Rin can beat Caster and Shirou definitely loses against Archer. |
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fst said: nocorras said: I don't think what he said was too outrageous though... That's kind of the point. I never say anything when people comment about how dump Shirou is, for example. Ah, I misunderstood you. ImTheGuy said: Lol yea thanks for the explanations. Some of the stuff from the 1st season slipped my mind. But now I'm questioning how are they going to beat Caster. I don't think Rin can beat Caster and Shirou definitely loses against Archer. I can't wait to see what happens myself. |
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ImTheGuy said: Lol yea thanks for the explanations. Some of the stuff from the 1st season slipped my mind. But now I'm questioning how are they going to beat Caster. I don't think Rin can beat Caster and Shirou definitely loses against Archer. You're in for a ride then ^^ From this point on, shitstorm basically never stops. |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
Aurioch said: ImTheGuy said: Lol yea thanks for the explanations. Some of the stuff from the 1st season slipped my mind. But now I'm questioning how are they going to beat Caster. I don't think Rin can beat Caster and Shirou definitely loses against Archer. You're in for a ride then ^^ From this point on, shitstorm basically never stops. He should watch out, it might be too much for his heart to handle. |
xcllnt said: Congrats, now I feel like shit for laughing at that pun.Aurioch said: You're in for a ride then ^^ From this point on, shitstorm basically never stops. He should watch out, it might be too much for his heart to handle. |
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
Aurioch said: ImTheGuy said: Lol yea thanks for the explanations. Some of the stuff from the 1st season slipped my mind. But now I'm questioning how are they going to beat Caster. I don't think Rin can beat Caster and Shirou definitely loses against Archer. You're in for a ride then ^^ From this point on, shitstorm basically never stops. I Know Right it's crazy when they |
| I'll change this as soon as I think of something clever. |
| Man, those spoiler tags are so tempting. I need to leave this discussion. |
| Eh |
| more often than not when someone has a reasonable complaint there is an answer to rectify it. this is an episode discussion thread were people discuss these things. if someone has a complaint about something and there is an answer for it they probably wouldn't mind hearing that answer. |
Mikedrew said: GangstaPriest said: Congrats, now I feel like shit for laughing at that pun. You're pretty heartless Those who I consider the most disgusting of mongrels are those that I shall deliver a heart to. |
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ZeroDragon said: Mikedrew said: You're pretty heartless Those who I consider the most disgusting of mongrels are those that I shall deliver a heart to. |
| I'll change this as soon as I think of something clever. |
| Very enjoyable beginning. Didn't feel rushed to me, though once i read the VN it may become apparent. Only complaint is the lack of Shirou P.O.V as he just randomly turns up at the church. (I put 2 and 2 together but some explanation would be nice). Loved the OP though the ED left much to be desired. Was hoping we would get pictures of all the remaining servants, instead we got more Shirou and Rin despite the first ED giving us plenty of that. Looking forward to next episode and i'm ESPECIALLY looking forward to episode 15. |
Wadeos said: Very enjoyable beginning. Didn't feel rushed to me, though once i read the VN it may become apparent. Only complaint is the lack of Shirou P.O.V as he just randomly turns up at the church. (I put 2 and 2 together but some explanation would be nice). Loved the OP though the ED left much to be desired. Was hoping we would get pictures of all the remaining servants, instead we got more Shirou and Rin despite the first ED giving us plenty of that. Looking forward to next episode and i'm ESPECIALLY looking forward to episode 15. Yup, that's why it feels rushed to some VN readers, they cut Shirou stuff. |
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| Best bitchslap ever. Would watch again. |
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| - Pause episode - Put on Ever present feeling - Continue episode Anyways, good episode, really felt rushed though. Hope the streak don't continue in the anime. OP is great too. 4/5 |
| So many questions still. Who is Lancer's master? What servant did the priest give Shinji? Who is the blonde haired guy and why is he hanging out with Shinji? Why did Archer betray Rin, and was he planning on doing it the whole time or just when they got to the fight scene? Either way, good episode, it felt very short though, I don't think I can wait a week between episodes because I love this anime so much. |
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Candeloro said: none of these questions havent really been answered yet though that last bit i'd say pay attention to archer throughout the whole first half. there is a lot in this anime that is mostly told in body language and camera shots. plus there is a lot of reading in between the lines.So many questions still. Who is Lancer's master? What servant did the priest give Shinji? Who is the blonde haired guy and why is he hanging out with Shinji? Why did Archer betray Rin, and was he planning on doing it the whole time or just when they got to the fight scene? Either way, good episode, it felt very short though, I don't think I can wait a week between episodes because I love this anime so much. |
Mikedrew said: BanterBus said: - Pause episode - Put on Ever present feeling - Continue episode Anyways, good episode, really felt rushed though. Hope the streak don't continue in the anime. OP is great too. 4/5 Not a bad idea, actually. The Rin x Shirou scene is silent for most of the time. Someone wanna splice in Ever-present Feeling? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PSMAsqvBLw |
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nocorras said: Mikedrew said: Not a bad idea, actually. The Rin x Shirou scene is silent for most of the time. Someone wanna splice in Ever-present Feeling? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PSMAsqvBLw Sooo much better that way, honestly the music in the VN was so good I just can't imagine certain scenes without it. (Even watching the anime just now, when that scene came on, I blanked out whatever music was playing, and substituted this in my head). |
| I'll change this as soon as I think of something clever. |
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| BAN ME |
| MyNameIsJeff on an admirable trashposting spree. It is clear that I still have ways to go until I catch up to the true masters. |
| "When they're alive, you can enjoy watching them struggle. When they're dead, you can enjoy tearing out their guts. Tales are things you get to enjoy twice." |
Maloghurst said: Candeloro said: none of these questions havent really been answered yet though that last bit i'd say pay attention to archer throughout the whole first half. there is a lot in this anime that is mostly told in body language and camera shots. plus there is a lot of reading in between the lines.So many questions still. Who is Lancer's master? What servant did the priest give Shinji? Who is the blonde haired guy and why is he hanging out with Shinji? Why did Archer betray Rin, and was he planning on doing it the whole time or just when they got to the fight scene? Either way, good episode, it felt very short though, I don't think I can wait a week between episodes because I love this anime so much. I'm assuming it has something to do with the change of music and camera angle on Archer when Tohsaka said "then when we beat caster Shirou can form a new pact with Saber". It seems he didn't like that, I wonder what that meant. WrongPriest said: ijuka said: MyNameIsJeff on an admirable trashposting spree. It is clear that I still have ways to go until I catch up to the true masters. I'm not even mad, I want to see that avatar on every page. Speaking of avatars... why are a lot of the people's avatars on this page using moustaches? Is this a thing? |
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Candeloro said: it was a thing during movember but they never grew out of itWrongPriest said: I'm not even mad, I want to see that avatar on every page. Speaking of avatars... why are a lot of the people's avatars on this page using moustaches? Is this a thing? |
| BAN ME |
Candeloro said: WrongPriest said: I'm not even mad, I want to see that avatar on every page. Speaking of avatars... why are a lot of the people's avatars on this page using moustaches? Is this a thing? It is. Join the trend, or be crushed by it. |
I am the Priest of my church Yuetsu is my body, and wine is my blood I have trolled over a thousand users Unknown to sympathy, nor known to apathy Withstood Shirou to eat Mapo Tofu Yet, my question will never be answered So as I rejoice, Unlimited Kirei Works! |
SirJayce said: why does this have to focus on the two most boring characters (rin and shirou) and their awkward love story instead of keeping the actual story interesting? this does have potential and a few good characters but it keeps getting ruined by unnecessary scenes. thats's like watching fate/zero solely from waver's perspective. Because Shirou is the protagonist and Rin is his love interest in this route. Also, unlike F/Z, FSN actually has a main character. |
SirJayce said: why does this have to focus on the two most boring characters (rin and shirou) and their awkward love story instead of keeping the actual story interesting? this does have potential and a few good characters but it keeps getting ruined by unnecessary scenes. thats's like watching fate/zero solely from waver's perspective. Because the story is more about Shirou's growth and not the the war. And boring is subjective. |
SirJayce said: why does this have to focus on the two most boring characters (rin and shirou) and their awkward love story instead of keeping the actual story interesting? this does have potential and a few good characters but it keeps getting ruined by unnecessary scenes. thats's like watching fate/zero solely from waver's perspective.  |
SirJayce said: why does this have to focus on the two most boring characters (rin and shirou) and their awkward love story instead of keeping the actual story interesting? this does have potential and a few good characters but it keeps getting ruined by unnecessary scenes. thats's like watching fate/zero solely from waver's perspective. Whole point of F/SN is the story of Emiya kun in this holy grail war; nothing really to do with the war. Expect the Rin X Shirou. If your actually that bored, the 'story' should pick back up within the next few eps. |
SirJayce said: why does this have to focus on the two most boring characters (rin and shirou) and their awkward love story instead of keeping the actual story interesting? this does have potential and a few good characters but it keeps getting ruined by unnecessary scenes. thats's like watching fate/zero solely from waver's perspective. Why are there trolls in this world? Why do people use the same arguments over and over again? Why do you like edgy stuff? Why is the sky blue? Why are there so many Shirou-Avatar people trying to copy the One True Emiya? Some things can't be answered, good sir. Just sit tight and enjoy the ride if you want to, or drop it now and save yourself from human things like love, tears and character development. |
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WrongPriest said: Haha holy crap these Shirou avatars. Well.. I guess I was gonna pick Lancer for the second cour. Id put on shirou avatar too but I hate ufoubw shirou too much. |
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riku_93 said: SirJayce said: why does this have to focus on the two most boring characters (rin and shirou) and their awkward love story instead of keeping the actual story interesting? this does have potential and a few good characters but it keeps getting ruined by unnecessary scenes. thats's like watching fate/zero solely from waver's perspective. Because the story is more about Shirou's growth and not the the war. And boring is subjective. THIS. Shirou is "MC" after all. |
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