Stark700 said: Spoiler images for chapter 4 are out now: So Mutsuki's actually a girl huh?... Interesting lol. Definitely looks like a girl in the spoiler pic, bra and all :P I actually think it makes her more interesting too, having a main female character in Quinx since we've hardly seen Saiko so far. And I'll admit, initially I thought Amon might be Serpent but it's looking more and more likely that it might be Nishiki, either way should be interesting. And it's very confusing what Hinami's allegiances and intentions are right now. Is she sided with Torso if he is in fact Tsukiyama? Or Ayato and Aogiri? A messenger between the two? Obviously she's just as curious as everyone else to learn if Kaneki really is still alive. Edit: Looks like some other translations/spoilers are saying Mutsuki cross dresses in chapter 4 to lure Torso, lol. Probably Sasaki's idea. It's hard to tell which is accurate right now, we'll probably have to wait for the actual chapter. |
CNTRI715Oct 31, 2014 11:09 AM
Acernos said: I'm more interested about the part where Akira insinuates that Sasaki is monstrously powerful. Yeah if I'm not wrong she's kind of fears Sasaki's full strength yet still praises it. Offtopic post: Can't wait for this  |
| @z4k, so you think Sasaneki is going to continue with the CCG until the end?...nice pic btw I am also very interested in what Akira said, and I am also wondering if her and Arima have a plan b for Sasaneki, I mean they are taking a huge risk by having a ghoul working for them, specially an SS ghoul, their little idea could easily backfire. Edit: I just hope Mutsuki doesnt die. |
gabyta07Oct 31, 2014 11:46 AM
| "It's like Tolstoy said. Happiness is an allegory, unhappiness a story" "And the sense of tragedy-according to Aristotle.comes, ironically enough, not from the protagonist's weak points but from his good qualities. Do you know what I'm getting at? People are drawn deeper into tragedy not by their defects but by their virtues" Kafka on the shore by Haruki Murakami...the man that was the inspiration for Sen Takatsuki |
gabyta07 said: @z4k, so you think Sasaneki is going to continue with the CCG until the end?...nice pic btw Obviously not but that won't happen soon. Joining CCG was probably the only choice to survive during the anteiku raid which was advised by Hide by fighting against Arima. And thanks to the brutal fight, he remembered who was behind the accident in the construction site back in chapter 1. So taking note of that we can assume he joined CCG to gain more information regarding the Pierrots. |
Z4k said: lmao i diedededAcernos said: I'm more interested about the part where Akira insinuates that Sasaki is monstrously powerful. Yeah if I'm not wrong she's kind of fears Sasaki's full strength yet still praises it. Offtopic post: Can't wait for this  |
| Mmmm, I am one of the fans who thinks he doesn't remember, I mean I like your idea, and I wouldn't have any problem if that was the case, in a way it would even been original. The only reason I don't believe it, it bc the last scene with him as a child, where he says "Let's rest a bit" And then he says as my "Consciousness turn to ash", which I find very intriguing bc Haise means Ash, could be Ishida-sensei using double meaning, like Haise taking over him? So to me his consciousness as Kaneki is still sleeping, but trying to wake up And then in the last chapter he says "My salvation is to sleep and to have a happy dream" since child Kaneki dreamt of helping others, I figured out that he was living the dream, so no reason to wake up for the moment. Plus I am sure there is a meaning the checker decoration where Arima is with the director of the CCG, since it was also a checker decoration the room where Jason tortured Kaneki, I don't have any idea what kind of symbolism could it be. Anyway just wanted to put in clear why I believe what I believed, even if it is cliché de whole amnesia thing, and your supposition is a better alternative. Edit: I went to look what the symbolism for Chess floor mean, and it says if there are no pieces is checkmate but it could also mean dualism. So, we could easily interpret sane vs insane, innocence vs corruption, weakness vs strenght,, death vs life, good vs evil. Probably Ishida-sensei is using it to warm that a change for the MC is going to happen. |
gabyta07Oct 31, 2014 12:40 PM
| "It's like Tolstoy said. Happiness is an allegory, unhappiness a story" "And the sense of tragedy-according to Aristotle.comes, ironically enough, not from the protagonist's weak points but from his good qualities. Do you know what I'm getting at? People are drawn deeper into tragedy not by their defects but by their virtues" Kafka on the shore by Haruki Murakami...the man that was the inspiration for Sen Takatsuki |
| Is Hide gonna show up or not? Does the author forget about him? Or is he dead for real? I care more about Hide than Kaneki tbh |
gabyta07 said: Mmmm, I am one of the fans who thinks he doesn't remember, I mean I like your idea, and I wouldn't have any problem if that was the case, in a way it would even been original. The only reason I don't believe it, it bc the last scene with him as a child, where he says "Let's rest a bit" And then he says as my "Consciousness turn to ash", which I find very intriguing bc Haise means Ash, could be Ishida-sensei using double meaning, like Haise taking over him? So to me his consciousness as Kaneki is still sleeping, but trying to wake up And then in the last chapter he says "My salvation is to sleep and to have a happy dream" since child Kaneki dreamt of helping others, I figured out that he was living the dream, so no reason to wake up for the moment. Plus I am sure there is a meaning the checker decoration where Arima is with the director of the CCG, since it was also a checker decoration the room where Jason tortured Kaneki, I don't have any idea what kind of symbolism could it be. Anyway just wanted to put in clear why I believe what I believed, even if it is cliché de whole amnesia thing, and your supposition is a better alternative. There was a really interesting post on 4chan I think, of all places, about symbolism of checkerboards in TG. Wish I could find the link but it was awhile back. Anyway the whole idea was that there are these two strong, opposing ideologies in Tokyo Ghoul that keep reoccurring and they are symbolized by flowers and checkerboards, both of which are shown time and time again, very subtly, in the series. Basically flowers represent nature and natural order and fit along with Rize's and Yamori's ideas of the strong consuming the weak and survival of the fittest. Kaneki's white haired side turns over to this ideology after accepting Rize and his ghoul side in the Aogiri arc. Also if you watch the anime the symbolism is hinted at pretty heavily in the last episode. Flowers are blooming all over while Rize talks to him when Kaneki is being tortured, he devours her on a bed of red flowers, etc. Checkerboards represent a controlled order brought on by society. In many ways it is the opposite of the natural order represented by the flowers, in that a society tries to bring everyone onto a level playing field so to speak, allowing the weak to survive alongside the strong. Kanou talks about this when Kaneki meets him in the raid on Kanou's lab, and no coincidence a background of checkerboards is seen when Kanou is talking. Black haired Kaneki could be seen to be represented by this ideology. He is relatively weak at the beginning of Tokyo Ghoul, fitting into society as a normal human with no real defining strengths. Imo, the most interesting part of this entire symbolism happens near the end of Tokyo Ghoul when Kaneki is defeated by Arima and his two sides are talking and accepting one another. He meets his younger self, and the two of them walk through a field of flowers together and Kaneki comments on a "weird sky", which is actually a checkerboard pattern. So yeah, the two symbols come together at the time his two sides and two ideologies come together. It's all way too big of a coincidence to not be symbolism on Ishida's part and my mind was blown the first time I noticed it, lol. Edit: Wow I ended up writing a mini essay on this, haha. Still wish I could find the original post on this but hopefully I did it some justice. I think this is one of the most interesting and subtle symbolism's in the entire series and I hope he continues it in :re 2nd Edit: I went back to chapters 138-140, tons of instances of the symbolism. Ghouls, for the most part, follow the "flower ideology" in that the strong consume the weak and so, it's natural for ghouls to prey on humans. There are some interesting exceptions to this though, like Hinami and her mom. Anyway, Kaneki mistakes the ghoul bodies on the ground as flowers when he walks in, and the chapter title is Corpse Bloom. In 140 a checker pattern is seen on the ground on the first page of the V14 tunnel. Arima, a human, follows the checkerboard ideology. He is fighting against ghouls in order for the weak, humans, to be able to be on a level playing field. When you see the flashback to Kaneki's mom in chapter 140, there's a checker pattern on the table she's sitting at. Again, she was a weak member of society, and passed those ideals onto black haired Kaneki. One more interesting thing I found is that when he's walking with his younger self in chapter 140, white haired Kaneki refers to the checker clouds as "disgusting", which makes sense because they are representing his old self, one that he actively tries to reject after the Aogiri arc. |
CNTRI715Oct 31, 2014 1:05 PM
CNTRI715 said: gabyta07 said: Mmmm, I am one of the fans who thinks he doesn't remember, I mean I like your idea, and I wouldn't have any problem if that was the case, in a way it would even been original. The only reason I don't believe it, it bc the last scene with him as a child, where he says "Let's rest a bit" And then he says as my "Consciousness turn to ash", which I find very intriguing bc Haise means Ash, could be Ishida-sensei using double meaning, like Haise taking over him? So to me his consciousness as Kaneki is still sleeping, but trying to wake up And then in the last chapter he says "My salvation is to sleep and to have a happy dream" since child Kaneki dreamt of helping others, I figured out that he was living the dream, so no reason to wake up for the moment. Plus I am sure there is a meaning the checker decoration where Arima is with the director of the CCG, since it was also a checker decoration the room where Jason tortured Kaneki, I don't have any idea what kind of symbolism could it be. Anyway just wanted to put in clear why I believe what I believed, even if it is cliché de whole amnesia thing, and your supposition is a better alternative. There was a really interesting post on 4chan I think, of all places, about symbolism of checkerboards in TG. Wish I could find the link but it was awhile back. Anyway the whole idea was that there are these two strong, opposing ideologies in Tokyo Ghoul that keep reoccurring and they are symbolized by flowers and checkerboards, both of which are shown time and time again, very subtly, in the series. Basically flowers represent nature and natural order and fit along with Rize's and Yamori's ideas of the strong consuming the weak and survival of the fittest. Kaneki's white haired side turns over to this ideology after accepting Rize and his ghoul side in the Aogiri arc. Also if you watch the anime the symbolism is hinted at pretty heavily in the last episode. Flowers are blooming all over while Rize talks to him when Kaneki is being tortured, he devours her on a bed of red flowers, etc. Checkerboards represent a controlled order brought on by society. In many ways it is the opposite of the natural order represented by the flowers, in that a society tries to bring everyone onto a level playing field so to speak, allowing the weak to survive alongside the strong. Kanou talks about this when Kaneki meets him on the raid on Kanou's lab, and no coincidence a background of checkerboards is seen when Kanou is talking. Black haired Kaneki could be seen to be represented by this ideology. He is relatively weak at the beginning of Tokyo Ghoul, fitting into society as a normal human with no real defining strengths. Imo, the most interesting part of this entire symbolism happens near the end of Tokyo Ghoul when Kaneki is defeated by Arima and his two sides are talking and accepting one another. He meets his younger self, and the two of them walk through a field of flowers together and Kaneki comments on a "weird sky", which is actually a checkerboard pattern. So yeah, the two symbols come together at the time his two sides and two ideologies come together. It's all way too big of a coincidence to not be symbolism on Ishida's part and my mind was blown the first time I noticed it, lol. Edit: Wow I ended up writing a mini essay on this, haha. Still wish I could find the original post on this but hopefully I did it some justice. I think this is one of the most interesting and subtle symbolism's in the entire series and I hope he continues it in :re Thank you so much, I do like sensei's symbolism, I even find it way more interesting than evangelion :D Again, thank you for the explanation and phew for a moment there I even started to think that maybe sensei was illuminati, since they said they use a lot of checkerboards. Plus now thinking about it, makes more sense that his hair is "Haise", it would mean he accepts himself as a ghoul but also as you said part of the order in the human society. |
| "It's like Tolstoy said. Happiness is an allegory, unhappiness a story" "And the sense of tragedy-according to Aristotle.comes, ironically enough, not from the protagonist's weak points but from his good qualities. Do you know what I'm getting at? People are drawn deeper into tragedy not by their defects but by their virtues" Kafka on the shore by Haruki Murakami...the man that was the inspiration for Sen Takatsuki |
CNTRI715 said: gabyta07 said: Mmmm, I am one of the fans who thinks he doesn't remember, I mean I like your idea, and I wouldn't have any problem if that was the case, in a way it would even been original. The only reason I don't believe it, it bc the last scene with him as a child, where he says "Let's rest a bit" And then he says as my "Consciousness turn to ash", which I find very intriguing bc Haise means Ash, could be Ishida-sensei using double meaning, like Haise taking over him? So to me his consciousness as Kaneki is still sleeping, but trying to wake up And then in the last chapter he says "My salvation is to sleep and to have a happy dream" since child Kaneki dreamt of helping others, I figured out that he was living the dream, so no reason to wake up for the moment. Plus I am sure there is a meaning the checker decoration where Arima is with the director of the CCG, since it was also a checker decoration the room where Jason tortured Kaneki, I don't have any idea what kind of symbolism could it be. Anyway just wanted to put in clear why I believe what I believed, even if it is cliché de whole amnesia thing, and your supposition is a better alternative. There was a really interesting post on 4chan I think, of all places, about symbolism of checkerboards in TG. Wish I could find the link but it was awhile back. Anyway the whole idea was that there are these two strong, opposing ideologies in Tokyo Ghoul that keep reoccurring and they are symbolized by flowers and checkerboards, both of which are shown time and time again, very subtly, in the series. Basically flowers represent nature and natural order and fit along with Rize's and Yamori's ideas of the strong consuming the weak and survival of the fittest. Kaneki's white haired side turns over to this ideology after accepting Rize and his ghoul side in the Aogiri arc. Also if you watch the anime the symbolism is hinted at pretty heavily in the last episode. Flowers are blooming all over while Rize talks to him when Kaneki is being tortured, he devours her on a bed of red flowers, etc. Checkerboards represent a controlled order brought on by society. In many ways it is the opposite of the natural order represented by the flowers, in that a society tries to bring everyone onto a level playing field so to speak, allowing the weak to survive alongside the strong. Kanou talks about this when Kaneki meets him on the raid on Kanou's lab, and no coincidence a background of checkerboards is seen when Kanou is talking. Black haired Kaneki could be seen to be represented by this ideology. He is relatively weak at the beginning of Tokyo Ghoul, fitting into society as a normal human with no real defining strengths. Imo, the most interesting part of this entire symbolism happens near the end of Tokyo Ghoul when Kaneki is defeated by Arima and his two sides are talking and accepting one another. He meets his younger self, and the two of them walk through a field of flowers together and Kaneki comments on a "weird sky", which is actually a checkerboard pattern. So yeah, the two symbols come together at the time his two sides and two ideologies come together. It's all way too big of a coincidence to not be symbolism on Ishida's part and my mind was blown the first time I noticed it, lol. Edit: Wow I ended up writing a mini essay on this, haha. Still wish I could find the original post on this but hopefully I did it some justice. I think this is one of the most interesting and subtle symbolism's in the entire series and I hope he continues it in :re I believe it was this one Found it in Arcanix's thread in the prequel section. (zoom in to read the contents) |
gabyta07 said: Thank you so much, I do like sensei's symbolism, I even find it way more interesting than evangelion :D Again, thank you for the explanation and phew for a moment there I even started to think that maybe sensei was illuminati, since they said they use a lot of checkerboards. Plus now thinking about it, makes more sense that his hair is "Haise", it would mean he accepts himself as a ghoul but also as you said part of the order in the human society. No problem. I find all the symbolism equally interesting. And yeah that's one of the huge things with Haise's black/white hair mix that I feel like a lot of people are missing out on, that it's actually important symbolism for what's happening with Kaneki. |
| Old Mcdonald posted this on batoto, if anyone cares to read :> Ishida tends to choose punny chapter titles for Tokyo Ghoul. These hidden puns are sometimes more important to understand the title than what the chapter title literally means, but they are usually lost in translation. So I thought I should compile a list of these puns here. I do not claim that this list is complete or without mistakes. I didn't look for puns in chapter titles before chapter 100, and I only superficially searched for puns in the chapter titles before chapter 125. Furthermore, please keep in mind that the search for puns is inherently subjective: For each title, I had to decide what I consider a pun and what not. If someone else would compile such a list, the resulting list would probably look different. In the list below, I also included translations for each of the chapter titles. You should keep in mind that translating Ishida's chapter titles (even while ignoring the puns) is an art and highly subjective. Basically, Ishida often creates new words that you can't find in any dictionary, and so the translator has no choice but to translate the title according to his intuition. For example, chapter 103's title "刺剃" is basically "stabbing and shaving", however, "stabbing and shaving" doesn't really work well as a chapter title. But since the chapter title is clearly about Sasori, I decided to translate it below as "Piercing Razor". In the list, I sometimes adopted the chapter title translations from the scans, sometimes I deviated a little from the translations in the scans to show a different perspective of how the title could be understood. For now, I've decided to omit the puns in :re's chapter titles. There're theories floating around about the puns in :re's chapter titles, but I'll need 1 or 2 additional chapter titles to tell if these theories are true with high probability. If you have some corrections, additions or suggestions, please post them here! Now let's get to the list of puns. Chapters 100-119: Chapters 120-129: Chapters 130-139: Chapters 140-143: |
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| Some info that should be noted even if it was mentioned before. Kaneki/Haise's current major arcana tarot card is Strength (8). Keywords included in it: Self-control — Being solid — Patience — Compassion Composure — Stability — Perseverance — Moderation Kindness — Gentleness — Slowness — Softness Serenity — Comprehension — Discipline — Inner strength The key character for the card are that of a woman and a lion. The woman depicted in the card looks calm and gentle, yet it remains dominant over the lion. The card stresses discipline and control so we can assume the current Kaneki/Sasaki is the woman while the white haired version is the lion. The lion represents the primal part of the mind while the woman represents the elevated parts. This card kind of hints in many ways that Sasaki does not have amnesia because in order to tame the lion he'd have to be mentally stronger to do that. And amnesia trope would defeat the purpose of this card if it was done by Ishida. |
Arcanix said: Old Mcdonald posted this on batoto, if anyone cares to read :> Ishida tends to choose punny chapter titles for Tokyo Ghoul. These hidden puns are sometimes more important to understand the title than what the chapter title literally means, but they are usually lost in translation. So I thought I should compile a list of these puns here. I do not claim that this list is complete or without mistakes. I didn't look for puns in chapter titles before chapter 100, and I only superficially searched for puns in the chapter titles before chapter 125. Furthermore, please keep in mind that the search for puns is inherently subjective: For each title, I had to decide what I consider a pun and what not. If someone else would compile such a list, the resulting list would probably look different. In the list below, I also included translations for each of the chapter titles. You should keep in mind that translating Ishida's chapter titles (even while ignoring the puns) is an art and highly subjective. Basically, Ishida often creates new words that you can't find in any dictionary, and so the translator has no choice but to translate the title according to his intuition. For example, chapter 103's title "刺剃" is basically "stabbing and shaving", however, "stabbing and shaving" doesn't really work well as a chapter title. But since the chapter title is clearly about Sasori, I decided to translate it below as "Piercing Razor". In the list, I sometimes adopted the chapter title translations from the scans, sometimes I deviated a little from the translations in the scans to show a different perspective of how the title could be understood. For now, I've decided to omit the puns in :re's chapter titles. There're theories floating around about the puns in :re's chapter titles, but I'll need 1 or 2 additional chapter titles to tell if these theories are true with high probability. If you have some corrections, additions or suggestions, please post them here! Now let's get to the list of puns. Chapters 100-119: Chapters 120-129: Chapters 130-139: Chapters 140-143: Yeah I read that awhile ago. Chapter 139's pun was the one that surprised me a lot. It has multiple meanings and even foreshadowed some of the events for Tokyo Ghoul:re. But in the end one has got to admit the fact that he's smarter than your average mangaka because coming up with puns like those in just 1 week is a very special talent. |
Z4k said: Some info that should be noted even if it was mentioned before. Kaneki/Haise's current major arcana tarot card is Strength (8). Keywords included in it: Self-control — Being solid — Patience — Compassion Composure — Stability — Perseverance — Moderation Kindness — Gentleness — Slowness — Softness Serenity — Comprehension — Discipline — Inner strength The key character for the card are that of a woman and a lion. The woman depicted in the card looks calm and gentle, yet it remains dominant over the lion. The card stresses discipline and control so we can assume the current Kaneki/Sasaki is the woman while the white haired version is the lion. The lion represents the primal part of the mind while the woman represents the elevated parts. This card kind of hints in many ways that Sasaki does not have amnesia because in order to tame the lion he'd have to be mentally stronger to do that. And amnesia trope would defeat the purpose of this card if it was done by Ishida. Then what you think what was the dream about, could if be that the dream was the "id" of Sasaki in a way??? In other things...as I stated before I think sensei is a Kaneki, meaning I think he is a literary geek :D, thats why puns come so easy to him, ppl who read are more brain agile. |
| "It's like Tolstoy said. Happiness is an allegory, unhappiness a story" "And the sense of tragedy-according to Aristotle.comes, ironically enough, not from the protagonist's weak points but from his good qualities. Do you know what I'm getting at? People are drawn deeper into tragedy not by their defects but by their virtues" Kafka on the shore by Haruki Murakami...the man that was the inspiration for Sen Takatsuki |
gabyta07 said: Z4k said: Some info that should be noted even if it was mentioned before. Kaneki/Haise's current major arcana tarot card is Strength (8). Keywords included in it: Self-control — Being solid — Patience — Compassion Composure — Stability — Perseverance — Moderation Kindness — Gentleness — Slowness — Softness Serenity — Comprehension — Discipline — Inner strength The key character for the card are that of a woman and a lion. The woman depicted in the card looks calm and gentle, yet it remains dominant over the lion. The card stresses discipline and control so we can assume the current Kaneki/Sasaki is the woman while the white haired version is the lion. The lion represents the primal part of the mind while the woman represents the elevated parts. This card kind of hints in many ways that Sasaki does not have amnesia because in order to tame the lion he'd have to be mentally stronger to do that. And amnesia trope would defeat the purpose of this card if it was done by Ishida. Then what you think what was the dream about, could if be that the dream was the "id" of Sasaki in a way??? In other things...as I stated before I think sensei is a Kaneki, meaning I think he is a literary geek :D, thats why puns come so easy to him, ppl who read are more brain agile. If this is going how I think it is then yes the dream was the id in chapter 3. |
| So Mutsuki is not a woman. The reverse trap is canceled. |
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Arcanix said: So Mutsuki is not a woman. The reverse trap is canceled. Where does it say? As far as I read from tumblr they said it could be both. LOL Akira made me laugh with the "Not to become like Sasaki" :D And it also seems Sasaki sucks with using quinques...just use your kagune Sasaki and become the centipede. :D I wonder what does Sasaki feels in using a death ghoul's RC cells, unless the quinque comes from him...that would also be cool. |
| "It's like Tolstoy said. Happiness is an allegory, unhappiness a story" "And the sense of tragedy-according to Aristotle.comes, ironically enough, not from the protagonist's weak points but from his good qualities. Do you know what I'm getting at? People are drawn deeper into tragedy not by their defects but by their virtues" Kafka on the shore by Haruki Murakami...the man that was the inspiration for Sen Takatsuki |
gabyta07 said: Arcanix said: So Mutsuki is not a woman. The reverse trap is canceled. Where does it say? As far as I read from tumblr they said it could be both. LOL Akira made me laugh with the "Not to become like Sasaki" :D And it also seems Sasaki sucks with using quinques...just use your kagune Sasaki and become the centipede. :D I wonder what does Sasaki feels in using a death ghoul's RC cells, unless the quinque comes from him...that would also be cool. He's using Arima's old quinque Yukimura 1/3 but I didn't see any part where it said he sucks with quinques? |
Z4k said: gabyta07 said: Where does it say? As far as I read from tumblr they said it could be both. LOL Akira made me laugh with the "Not to become like Sasaki" :D And it also seems Sasaki sucks with using quinques...just use your kagune Sasaki and become the centipede. :D I wonder what does Sasaki feels in using a death ghoul's RC cells, unless the quinque comes from him...that would also be cool. He's using Arima's old quinque Yukimura 1/3 but I didn't see any part where it said he sucks with quinques? It seems Urie thinks so. Quote "Urie responded that they have, and that Sasaki is good at using Quinque. (Although his inner monologue seemed to imply otherwise. LOL, this boy definitely needs to see Sasarious.)" Where does it say Mutsuki is not a woman? |
| "It's like Tolstoy said. Happiness is an allegory, unhappiness a story" "And the sense of tragedy-according to Aristotle.comes, ironically enough, not from the protagonist's weak points but from his good qualities. Do you know what I'm getting at? People are drawn deeper into tragedy not by their defects but by their virtues" Kafka on the shore by Haruki Murakami...the man that was the inspiration for Sen Takatsuki |
| Could it be also that she is disgusted, awe and afraid bc maybe his strenght could be now comparable to an SSS. Maybe even Arima trained him to make him a better weapon. And if the CCG thinks they are really controlling him, maybe even help him to reach full kakuja. |
| "It's like Tolstoy said. Happiness is an allegory, unhappiness a story" "And the sense of tragedy-according to Aristotle.comes, ironically enough, not from the protagonist's weak points but from his good qualities. Do you know what I'm getting at? People are drawn deeper into tragedy not by their defects but by their virtues" Kafka on the shore by Haruki Murakami...the man that was the inspiration for Sen Takatsuki |
AquaWateria said: You know it's a bit frustrating when some people just call Tokyo Ghoul a Shonen battle manga. Even though this series contains some of the deepest symbolism and foreshadowing in a manga. I mean I myself end up finding new hidden meanings in the manga. I guess some just speed read it without actually trying to understand what the author is trying to convey. I feel the same way when people say that about snk as well. I agree this series has really good and deep foreshadowing. Also the people that are saying that this series is a battle shounen should really educate themself. Because this series is in a seinen magazine therefore it's a seinen series. |
keragamming said: AquaWateria said: You know it's a bit frustrating when some people just call Tokyo Ghoul a Shonen battle manga. Even though this series contains some of the deepest symbolism and foreshadowing in a manga. I mean I myself end up finding new hidden meanings in the manga. I guess some just speed read it without actually trying to understand what the author is trying to convey. I feel the same way when people say that about snk as well. I agree this series has really good and deep foreshadowing. Also the people that are saying that this series is a battle shounen should really educate themself. Because this series is in a seinen magazine therefore it's a seinen series. I think is bc the Pierrot studio ended up turning the anime into a shonen...they turned something complex into something black and white. Snk, although I really like it, its a shonen no? It does have some gruesome images but the plot doesnt get to seinen level. You have the good guys, the bad guys. |
| "It's like Tolstoy said. Happiness is an allegory, unhappiness a story" "And the sense of tragedy-according to Aristotle.comes, ironically enough, not from the protagonist's weak points but from his good qualities. Do you know what I'm getting at? People are drawn deeper into tragedy not by their defects but by their virtues" Kafka on the shore by Haruki Murakami...the man that was the inspiration for Sen Takatsuki |
gabyta07 said: keragamming said: I feel the same way when people say that about snk as well. I agree this series has really good and deep foreshadowing. Also the people that are saying that this series is a battle shounen should really educate themself. Because this series is in a seinen magazine therefore it's a seinen series. I think is bc the Pierrot studio ended up turning the anime into a shonen...they turned something complex into something black and white. Snk, although I really like it, its a shonen no? It does have some gruesome images but the plot doesnt get to seinen level. You have the good guys, the bad guys. The good guys and the bad guys? O.o I'm at the latest chapter and I still can't tell who's the bad guys in this series. There's no black and white in this series. Everyone is doing something for the better good, but they will have to stain their hands with blood. I'm guessing you're a anime only watcher. |
| Nope, I am an anime and manga watcher and reader. It does not seem that complicated. anyway we are getting out of topic this a tokyo ghoul forum. :D Someone translated the whole chapter, and its great, and as far as it seems Mutsuki disguised himself as a woman but he is a boy. Anyway it doesnt seem likely that, thats going to stop torso from eating him, so or Urie is going to save him, or Kaneki...or maybe surprise surprise Touka!!!! , yeah I know I dream too much, but I want to see her. I used to ship her and kaneki, sigh! |
gabyta07Oct 31, 2014 4:12 PM
| "It's like Tolstoy said. Happiness is an allegory, unhappiness a story" "And the sense of tragedy-according to Aristotle.comes, ironically enough, not from the protagonist's weak points but from his good qualities. Do you know what I'm getting at? People are drawn deeper into tragedy not by their defects but by their virtues" Kafka on the shore by Haruki Murakami...the man that was the inspiration for Sen Takatsuki |
| Dialogue from chapter 4 and some spoiler pics http://makyun.tumblr.com/post/101448199362/tokyo-ghoul-re-ch-4 |
Z4k said: Dialogue from chapter 4 and some spoiler pics http://makyun.tumblr.com/post/101448199362/tokyo-ghoul-re-ch-4 Haisseee's pantsu!! OMG seriously Haise...energy!? |
| Ohhh now I'm super hyped to see "Sasaki fighting at full power". Damn you Akira! :) Also, that boxers hahahaha. |
| Keep the spoiler coming guys. |
| Chapter 5 spoilers Is that serpent or someone else? The third panel seems like a new person too Mutsuki in action! edit: OKAY SCRATCH THAT SOMEONE SAVE MUTSUKI Urie and sharkboy to the rescue? hope torso gives urie a good beating |
MuggleBornNov 8, 2014 12:43 AM
| Woooooooh! :3 This is gewd news |
| Yeah I was already sure of Mutsuki being a girl so no surprise there and Shirazu's ukaku is...interesting. Serpent's mask is similar to the one nishiki wore in the anime. The likelihood of him being serpent is pretty high. Can't wait to see Urie's ass handed to him by Serpent. |
| Looks like lots of fun :D Mutsuki, Torso and Serpent in action? Should be nice :3 |
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| No Sasaki :( I think I am going to cry Am I the only one who thinks Shirazu's kagunes quinque looks like tentacles from a hentai??? |
| "It's like Tolstoy said. Happiness is an allegory, unhappiness a story" "And the sense of tragedy-according to Aristotle.comes, ironically enough, not from the protagonist's weak points but from his good qualities. Do you know what I'm getting at? People are drawn deeper into tragedy not by their defects but by their virtues" Kafka on the shore by Haruki Murakami...the man that was the inspiration for Sen Takatsuki |
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