Slaine, worst character of 2014?

clash45 said:
I don't see any problem of slaine killing Inaho. Inaho wasn't an interesting character to begin with plus the man was jelouse of Inaho because he was too close to his beloved princess. Even in that scene he told Inaho not to touch her highness but Inaho also pull out his gun then BOOM, a sweet bullet to the forehead. He killed Inaho so that he could have the princess for himself, I can't blame the guy for that. The only mistake he did in this series is not telling count crutheo about the princess survival and helping out saazboum.

Epicenter said:
Slaine is far from the worst character of the year, and that's from animes I actually watch, let alone animes I don't and anime I'm sure others don't watch either. I will say though, the people who constantly post about how repeatedly making mistakes, being illogical, never thinking and all that jazz to pretend like Slaine is like this protypical end all be all of being human is disturbing. The way some people post about humanity you'd think we'd all still be living in caves with a defeatist mentality that we can't overcome the beasts that are bigger and stronger than us, sitting around being emotional wrecks when any trouble comes towards us and none of us would ever so much as call the police on bad people if they so much as smiled as us, in fact we'd tackle the police if they tried to stop a criminal who showed kindness to us even if said person was out to murder our entire family and we knew it.Every character in this anime, whether annoying, calm, emotional, stupid, smart, good natured or bad natured represented how different people can be in the wide spectrum of what it is to be human. Inaho is just as human as Slaine.

Darklight0303 said:


So finally you show your true colors

clash45 said:

I'm not showing any colors, Inaho wasn't an interesting character and he kept this series at average. Slaine killed Inaho for his own benefits which I can't really blame him for, he'll have this crazy obsession in season two. He made huge mistakes in not telling crutheo about the princess survival and helping out sauznaum.Also I don't think either of the characters are good, one has no hints of background, no character development, and no emotions. While the other is a one dimensional character who only has the princess in his mind and will go villain because of his obsession for her.

eternaltorture said:
Darklight0303, you have been on this thread since page 1..... (yikes)
Can't believe how thirsty you are for Slaine-hate posts
Stay pressed :)

EarlAlois said:


He's kind of obsessed, either he's trolling or Inaho was really important to him...
Maybe he loves Slaine, but he doesn't want to admit to it =3

Emotionally stricken by the death of his Inaho-kun...
*Evil Laugh*

EarlAlois said:


He's kind of obsessed, either he's trolling or Inaho was really important to him...
Maybe he loves Slaine, but he doesn't want to admit to it =3

Emotionally stricken by the death of his Inaho-kun...
*Evil Laugh*

Raziel1991 said:


Most people who hate Slaine actually dont hate him because of him killing Inaho though....

Darklight0303 said:


At least I am staying on topic and not RP'ing outside the designated forums

Raziel1991 said:

Most people who hate Slaine actually dont hate him because of him killing Inaho though....

EarlAlois said:


Well, maybe you should see that I used to RP when I was younger... meaning 2008? This accounts been very ded until this season. So what RP do you mean, the random *hugs* and *laughs* I leave around? I barely show what I feel while I write, that's all O.O

So I don't see the point you're trying to make? All you do is express negativity!
I have always been on topic until I talk to deadoptimist, but hey you guys brought it back on topic right? So what's wrong...

WAIT A MINUTE! YOU DROVE ME TO GO OFF TOPIC WHILE TALKING ABOUT TOKYO GHOUL! So you're the one who made me go off topic =)! It's not my fault, but clearly yours.

Here! come here I can Hug your tsun tsun face~
You seem to be so very unhappy with the great ending A/Z had.

Epicenter said:
Slaine is far from the worst character of the year, and that's from animes I actually watch, let alone animes I don't and anime I'm sure others don't watch either. I will say though, the people who constantly post about how repeatedly making mistakes, being illogical, never thinking and all that jazz to pretend like Slaine is like this protypical end all be all of being human is disturbing. The way some people post about humanity you'd think we'd all still be living in caves with a defeatist mentality that we can't overcome the beasts that are bigger and stronger than us, sitting around being emotional wrecks when any trouble comes towards us and none of us would ever so much as call the police on bad people if they so much as smiled as us, in fact we'd tackle the police if they tried to stop a criminal who showed kindness to us even if said person was out to murder our entire family and we knew it.Every character in this anime, whether annoying, calm, emotional, stupid, smart, good natured or bad natured represented how different people can be in the wide spectrum of what it is to be human. Inaho is just as human as Slaine.

Ratohnhaketon said:


My take on why Slaine saved Sazabumbum is that earlier that soldier saved him from a Terran and got all preachy on him. Then he hears Sazabooty's speech to Inaho about only having good intentions for his people and Slaine, being looked out for by martians for a long time and unaware that the princess is there (how could she be, that plan to drop down was suicide!), gave a moment of hesitation which broke his resolve in the heat of the moment.

Of course we shouldn't attribute every mistake or flaw in a character as just being human and Slaine certainly isn't "realistic", but it's equally silly to call a character poorly written for not being a role model for the rational world. What we know and what the characters see are world's apart.

Darklight0303 said:


It doesn't change that he KNEW that Sazbaum would hunt his princess forever. Sabaum made it clear that he would stop at nothing. Even if he didn't know the princess was there, he should have known that saving Sazbaum would mean his precious princess would never be safe

Ratohnhaketon said:
I wish Cruhteo was still alive, him beating Slaine was the best part of the show.

chickenonthepan said:
Going for personal insult is the indication of losing a debate.

You are pathetic, man.

deadoptimist said:
Hmm... I think that maybe what lies at the core of this problem is the difference in self-view.
I know, that generalisations are bad, but I believe, I've noticed some tendencies.

I think that most of us project ourselves on the protag of a work of fiction. And that makes some people demand MCs to be ideal characters, ones that they would like to be or even consider themselves to be. I believe that this approach is more frequent among young males (especially teens). Viewers of this cathegory judge characters like they would judge real people.
Females and some of the older males more readily self-project on flawed characters. I mean, even if you don't associate yourself directly with a broken char you can empathize with having problems. Some of the younger girls go overboard with this approach and can be interested in almost SM cases, though maybe that has more to do with sexual fantasies.

Maybe that's wh some people can't accept an impulsive and unsuccesful character.


Nah, I don't think that qualifies as insults. And it's not that Darklight0303 doesn't go a bit personal sometimes. No offence, Darklight0303.

Darklight0303 said:


Now this I agree 1000%

Darklight0303 said:
I can't empathize with someone whose problems are solely their own doing.

deadoptimist said:

Seriously? That clearly was a SM BL porn. It's not that I didn't enjoy it, but I'd prefer if such things were left out of mainstream anime. Fujoshi fanfiction will do just fine by itself.


Yep, that's what I am talking about. I perfectly can. I know that many of my problems are of my doing, and I think, that it is usually the same way for most people.
But we won't agree on it. We have different approaches.

Darklight0303 said:
But the difference between you and Slaine is that YOU know that your problems are your own doing. Slaine doesn't. If he did, the moment Sazbaum was riddled with bullets, he would have put his gun in his own mouth and pulled the trigger. Instead he throws all of the blame on Inaho who is already half dead.

deadoptimist said:


It's too short of a time for him to get to any conclusions. He will blame himself a lot in the second cour, I have no doubt about it, unless the writers decide to reach new levels of fail in characterisation.
I mean, we haven't seen his reaction. We saw his actions under the pressure, we saw him crumbling, but we haven't been shown what becomes of him after this. Maybe he turns amoral, but it is unclear yet - a few minutes after the crisis is too little to decide.

Darklight0303 said:
He still decided to vent his blame on the half dead guy who did NOT get the princess killed

deadoptimist said:


It's too short of a time for him to get to any conclusions. He will blame himself a lot in the second cour, I have no doubt about it, unless the writers decide to reach new levels of fail in characterisation.
I mean, we haven't seen his reaction. We saw his actions under the pressure, we saw him crumbling, but we haven't been shown what becomes of him after this. Maybe he turns amoral, but it is unclear yet - a few minutes after the crisis is too little to decide.

deadoptimist said:

Well, he had reason to dislike the guy. Let's not go into the usual "who shot first" argument. I think that the fact that he did save the whole ship, but was captured an tortured in result gives him right to dislike the one who abandoned him, even if he understood that he is partially to blame. Maybe he even heard Inaho calling him enemy. Also jealousy. A very valid reason.
And he was unstable in that moment. After his earlier hysteria his actions obviously are not based on logic and it is useless to hudge them by applying to logic.
That doesn't make him a good person, but it makes him an interesting character.

deadoptimist said:

Well, he had reason to dislike the guy. Let's not go into the usual "who shot first" argument. I think that the fact that he did save the whole ship, but was captured an tortured in result gives him right to dislike the one who abandoned him, even if he understood that he is partially to blame. Maybe he even heard Inaho calling him enemy. Also jealousy. A very valid reason.
And he was unstable in that moment. After his earlier hysteria his actions obviously are not based on logic and it is useless to hudge them by applying to logic.
That doesn't make him a good person, but it makes him an interesting character.

chickenonthepan said:


I don't think he realize his mistakes yet. I kinda agree with Darklight that he push all his guilty feeling into Inaho.

I would say he will continue his "righteous" path until someone slap him in the face so that he can realize his own mistakes.

Rayet was in the same circumstance with Slaine. She also blamed another people for her own mistakes. But the interaction with Inaho and Asseylum wakes her up. Slaine, on the hand, sinks more and more.

The only way Slaine can be redeemed is that both Inaho and Asseylum are alive. Else, he will die a painful death.



He used to be.

I was hoping the guy has an interesting interaction with Rayet and learn from her. But well, he does unreasonable actions again and lead to the worst outcome possible.

I gave up my hope on him. I had to ask myself after watching episode 12: "Does this guy ever stop acting stupid?".

chickenonthepan said:
I don't think he realize his mistakes yet. I kinda agree with Darklight that he push all his guilty feeling into Inaho.

The only way Slaine can be redeemed is that both Inaho and Asseylum are alive. Else, he will die a painful death.

thepath said:
Slaine ?!!

If you say that Inaho is worst character then that might be more reasonable

deadoptimist said:


I think that it is very realistic. People rarely want to blame themselves, if it is something truly serious. They protect themselves in this way. Though we don't know if Slaine is the type yet. He shot Inaho in the heat of the moment, and it honesly seems to me that it is he who shoots Asseylum every time I watch the scene. He is almost ecstatic when he notices her, he gave up so many things to find her, but she is perfectly happy with someone else. I'd say that it can be traumatizing. Also don't forget that Slaine believes that Asseylum is lied to and used.
And before that Slaine did what he could. I don't think that despite him being very unfortunate he should blame himself too hard for his previous actions. He tried as well as he could and paid for his mistakes by honest suffering.

What his weighted thoughts on what happened are we will know only in the second cour.

If he really dies in the end, I hope he will achieve something, be it a good or a bad thing. In this cour he was always running around or being beaten. Always too late, always mistaken ot misunderstood. To kill him now would be too boring.

chickenonthepan said:



Pardon me but people can only grow when they learn to take responsibilities and correct their own mistakes. Blaming others for their own problems will make them repeating mistakes again.

So Slaine doesn't grow one bit.

Darklight0303 said:
Bingo. This is why I can't help but laugh at people who say Slaine develops.

chickenonthepan said:
Pardon me but people can only grow when they learn to take responsibilities and correct their own mistakes. Blaming others for their own problems will make them repeating mistakes again.

So Slaine doesn't grow one bit.

deadoptimist said:

Development doesn't necessary mean change for the better. At least in fictional characters.



Sure, but I discuss him as a character, not a person. A character can be good, as in interesting / entertaining / realistic, without being a good person.

Moreover he has reached a point of growth, but we don't really know what kind of change he undergoes. He was broken, but dust hasn't yet settled to say what has become of him.

Anyways, I am 100% sure that they will butcher the potential again.

deadoptimist said:

Development doesn't necessary mean change for the better. At least in fictional characters.



Sure, but I discuss him as a character, not a person. A character can be good, as in interesting / entertaining / realistic, without being a good person.

Moreover he has reached a point of growth, but we don't really know what kind of change he undergoes. He was broken, but dust hasn't yet settled to say what has become of him.

Anyways, I am 100% sure that they will butcher the potential again.

Savethebestforu said:


You said it better than I ever could. I just...don't understand these people, you know? I really wonder what makes a good story to them. I've said this before, but everyone should really question themselves and think where this show would be without Slaine. I shudder at the thought.

The plot was going absolutely nowhere. The cast is littered with severely underdeveloped characters and the story is full of cliche plot elements. You sometimes don't even remember they are in a fucking war when you are around Inaho and his group since

A. He will beat every martian that he comes across, so almost all of the other soldiers are really useless when you think about it.

B. The only ones who become casualties are off-screened or are completely irrelevant.

Slaine's development is the only thing unique about this show. It's the hand that has reached out and grabbed ahold of a branch before the body has entirely sunk into quicksand. The only question is how strong is that arm? They have the potential to leave a mark on anime with Slaine's character. But, I sadly agree with you. Since AZ's characters are some of the worst cases of wasted potential I've seen in anime, Slaine is probably going to be no different.

Nate-chan said:
lol...why ? xD
he's not the worst, definitely not.

deadoptimist said:


Sure, but I discuss him as a character, not a person. A character can be good, as in interesting / entertaining / realistic, without being a good person.

Moreover he has reached a point of growth, but we don't really know what kind of change he undergoes. He was broken, but dust hasn't yet settled to say what has become of him.

Anyways, I am 100% sure that they will butcher the potential again.

Savethebestforu said:

You said it better than I ever could. I just...don't understand these people, you know? I really wonder what makes a good story to them. I've said this before, but everyone should really question themselves and think where this show would be without Slaine. I shudder at the thought.

The plot was going absolutely nowhere. The cast is littered with severely underdeveloped characters and the story is full of cliche plot elements. You sometimes don't even remember they are in a fucking war when you are around Inaho and his group since

A. He will beat every martian that he comes across, so almost all of the other soldiers are really useless when you think about it.

B. The only ones who become casualties are off-screened or are completely irrelevant.

Slaine's development is the only thing unique about this show. It's the hand that has reached out and grabbed ahold of a branch before the body has entirely sunk into quicksand. The only question is how strong is that arm? They have the potential to leave a mark on anime with Slaine's character. But, I sadly agree with you. Since AZ's characters are some of the worst cases of wasted potential I've seen in anime, Slaine is probably going to be no different.

chickenonthepan said:


Just love how Slaine fans ALWAYS downplaying Inaho's role in the story.

Maybe Slaine doesn't have so much to put on the table so they have to downgrade Inaho to make him look good? Bah...

Feaor said:


I'm honestly not a Slaine fan, I just think he's the best character in A.Z, which really isn't saying much as characters are certainly not A.Z's strong point, not by a long shot. And you're right Inaho is certainly important to the story, as both someone to drive the plot forward and to be a cold, calculating, logical person for Slaine to play foil to.

But as a character I think he's pretty weak as he hasn't had nearly enough development as a character, we still have absolutely no idea why he is the way he is and we've already made it through. This is the only reason why I'm a little mixed about the possibility Inaho dying, because on the one hand I found him to be a bit of a boring character and this could allow another more interesting protagonist to step up. But on the other hand this would mean that he would end up being an underdeveloped character, and we wouldn't know why he is the way he is.

clash45 said:


Well I'll have to disagree, I don't think slaine is the best character in this series. Just as chickenonthepan said before the most interesting or best characters are rayet and sauzbuam for various of reasons. Crutheo and Marito had potential but sadly crutheo had an early death, it would've been interesting to see how he would resolve this war. Marito in the other hand was useless for most of the series but he still has a good background and the author should use him more in season two. Slaine is too one dimensional only thinking about the princess and he made couple of mistakes for example not telling count crutheo about the princess survival and how there were traitors within the clans. Also the author screw up his character during the ending of the season for example in episode 11 he literally was doing nothing except running around the place like a lost puppy looking for his master. He has some impact in the show but he's not the best character and I don't think he's the worst. If I had to choose the worst character it would be that blonde hair guy ( I don't even know his name) from Inaho's friend list. He basically has no purpose in this show.

Darklight0303 said:
Having Cruhteo's active involvement in the story would have definitely been an interesting element. His was a bud that was nipped before it bloomed T_T

clash45 said:


Well I'll have to disagree, I don't think slaine is the best character in this series. Just as chickenonthepan said before the most interesting or best characters are rayet and sauzbuam for various of reasons. Crutheo and Marito had potential but sadly crutheo had an early death, it would've been interesting to see how he would resolve this war. Marito in the other hand was useless for most of the series but he still has a good background and the author should use him more in season two. Slaine is too one dimensional only thinking about the princess and he made couple of mistakes for example not telling count crutheo about the princess survival and how there were traitors within the clans. Also the author screw up his character during the ending of the season for example in episode 11 he literally was doing nothing except running around the place like a lost puppy looking for his master. He has some impact in the show but he's not the best character and I don't think he's the worst. If I had to choose the worst character it would be that blonde hair guy ( I don't even know his name) from Inaho's friend list. He basically has no purpose in this show.

Feaor said:
I don't think Slaine is any less complex than Rayet, who is completely defined by her hatred of the Martians for betraying her father although this is partially due to the fact that she is a supporting character and has gotten less screen time. Slaine isn't just defined by the princess, another big part of his character is his conflict with where he belongs in the world, the Martians treat him like dirt because he is a Terran and the Terrans don't trust him due to his relationship with the Martians. But I do agree that Slaine is far too defined by his relationship/obsession with the princess.

I would also concede that Saazbaum is probably another candidate for the best character in this cour, he's actually a reasonably well done antagonist who I somewhat sympathized with him when he revealed his motives. His goal is somewhat justified but they way he's going about doing it is certainly not. Also I'd definitely agree on both Cruhteo and Marito, they both had a lot of potential to be interesting characters but they were severely underutilized.

Kolios said:
People who think Slaine was the worst character are wrong.

He is not one sided, full of asspulls and with no emotional capacity like most characters. Besides Rat and the Count, Slaine stood at one of the best written character of this show.

Slaine did make a mistake but that's what made him interesting. He is the most human out of all the characters. He is a tragic hostage of a the irrational side of humanity. And that's what makes him a good character for good writing.