the NRA advocating that gun ownership should be mandatory

Jul 31, 2014 11:44 AM

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apachelsalvador said:
Even if it's only an opinion, it's still messed up. Why teach the kids how to shoot? So we can have trained and expert gunmen, and a potential killer once somebody goes insane? There's no fucking need for it. Want a gun? Get your gun after passing your background and mental check. If you want kids to have a firearm, send 'em where they grow child soldiers.

no you teach kids the responsibility of owning a gun, you teach them that a gun is a tool and not a toy. ou take them to the range and teach them the proper ways to handle a gun.

you would be surprised, they used to do this in the 40s-70s. they had gun safety classes.

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Jul 31, 2014 1:05 PM

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i am not too trusting at all, i always background check the people i sell too. for instance i wouldn't sell you a gun because you dont really know a thing about them. as for pen you would be surprised what ive been trained to do with a pen. like i said before in the right hands anything can pretty much be a deadly weapon.

ya that is great for you but you arent the only person doing it. i mean how easy is it for a few people to regularly buy a few guns then sell it to random people without any background check and make a profit off of it. gangs have to get their guns from somewhere i mean guns dont magically appear.

also the pen thing come on you are joking yourself if you think a murderer will walk into a school with a pen and do the same amount of damage as he would with a gun. i mean do you really belief as many people would of died in sandy hook if the killer used a pen?

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Jul 31, 2014 1:06 PM

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apachelsalvador said:
Even if it's only an opinion, it's still messed up. Why teach the kids how to shoot? So we can have trained and expert gunmen, and a potential killer once somebody goes insane? There's no fucking need for it. Want a gun? Get your gun after passing your background and mental check. If you want kids to have a firearm, send 'em where they grow child soldiers.

no you teach kids the responsibility of owning a gun, you teach them that a gun is a tool and not a toy. ou take them to the range and teach them the proper ways to handle a gun.

you would be surprised, they used to do this in the 40s-70s. they had gun safety classes.

and again which class would you remove in order to squeeze this course into the school curriculum? there is only so much time in a day so adding 1 course means you have to remove another course.

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Jul 31, 2014 1:43 PM

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Up until the 60s or 70s, my high school had a shooting team. My school still has the target practice room but it is now storage. No mass shootings or accidents I am aware of in the 100 year history of my school. When my dad was in high school in the 60s, him and his friends would have their hunting rifles in their trucks and could have Swiss Army knife in their pockets and their teachers were cool with it. No history of mass shootings at his school. Nowadays kids get suspended over pop tart shaped guns or playing cowboys and Indians.

I don't fully agree with what the NRA wants. It should be their job to educate people on gun safety if they value that. But I don't recall any of these mass shooters like Holmes and that Asian kid at Virginia Tech being card carrying members

Jul 31, 2014 2:45 PM

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Did this guy just seriously talk about integrating gun training into school curriculum? Real fucking smart.

As long as the environment is highly controlled and supervised I don't see a problem with it. Would result in less deaths as a result of kids stumbling upon guns in their houses closets and not respecting the guns power.

Could you imagine visiting a gunrange on a field trip and getting to fire something? Best fucking field trip ever lol.

I see nothing wrong with teaching kids how to use guns properly. In a highly controlled environment like a certified gun range would be more than sufficient.

What if the Hokey Pokey is what it is all about?

Jul 31, 2014 4:13 PM

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mattbenz99 said:

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I spent 7 years in three different military's, I seriously put down range about 3-6 million rounds during my career. ive seen 4 tours of duties in some of the worst shit holes you can think of, Africa, Afgan and even Iraq and some i wont mention. ive been shot at, ive shot people and ive killed people. I am now a Paramedic, I carry a gun on me where ever I go and i own lots of guns, not because im some loony or someone with issues but because ive seen first hand what monsters can do with guns and I know what they do when there arnt any good guys around with guns.

The Second Amendment made to to protect our life and liberties not to mention to protect the 1st Amendment because you cant have one without the other. no butts about it.

as for the talk about the Founding Fathers not knowing about full auto this or assault rifles that. (The Puckle Gun) was created in the early 1700, 60+ years before the constitution was even written. it had the ability to go Full Auto based off a rotating cylinder based off a crank shaft. only issue is it was years ahead of its time and because there were no shells, it took a long time to reload. The Gatling gun would later be invented based off it.....so there you have that.

if you want to talk about gun ownership being a right then I for sure damn earned it in blood and even so everyone has a right as a American Citizen to own a Firearm as long as they havnt proven incapable otherwise.

you can talk all you want about fear mongering this or that and thinking of the worst out come possible but thats just ignorant talk. most gun owners have spent thousands of dollars for training not to mention range time so they are pretty well trained to handle situations.

when I went for my CCW(Concealed Carry Permit) or CCP its different per state. I had to pay 200 dollars, get 8 hours of training done and pass two background checks before being cleared and this is after all the military training too.

one last thing I will add. If you are not an American Citizen and are from another country then you have no right to tell us how to live or even attempt to claim to know what you are talking about. dont own a gun then dont act like you do.

I think that all gun owners should undergo a basic shooter's training in order to receive a permit to own a gun of any sort.

Furthermore, all fees of this training would go towards federal trainers (I'm talking about hiring Vets).

During this trial period, besides the background checks all gun owners are subject to, the trainers are to observe closely the mental state of each gun owner that they train. Therefore the trainers themselves need to be checked on an advisably semi-annual basis. They must also go through training themselves where they are taught to notice signs of unhealthy mental states.

This way, people can learn to use guns, and the government can moderate who uses and controls guns.

The rest of the logistics can be worked out.

I own a Russian, Izhmash-made Saiga rifle, CA Legal version, never fully modified it to look like an AK but a Saiga instead. I also own a Saiga shotgun, TOZ-78 (Also known as Winchester Wildcat) and a Tokarev-33 Pistol. Each gun registered, licensed, and legal.

My uncle has served in the military and he has taught me to use the weapons.

Personally I am for the usage of weapons--anyone remember the case of the woman with a baby and a shotgun, when a thief entered her house? If she hadn't that shotgun, and if she hadn't fired the gun, she might've lost her life, her baby, or have been raped, or any number of possible negative consequences.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/okla-woman-shoots-kills-intruder911-operators-shoot/story?id=15285605

I am for minor background checking because it helps stop the bad guys somewhat but in the end they will always have a gun.

as for a government needing to know what I own or have, they dont. gun registration is the first step to gun confiscation and history has proven that.

in many states there are no laws requiring background checks for second hand guns sales or any regulation on them at all. That is where most of the guns used by criminals come from. I mean if you live in America all you need to do is drive a few hours and you can get a gun no questions asked

well the background checks are the personal responsibility of the seller, well duh my last AK buy was from some random guy i met online and i bought it in the parking lot of a Walmart. i live in Arizona and that is legal...

stop trying to find excuses to blame the law abiding citizens, thinking of the worst out come doesnt fly....

a gun is deadly weapon and should be treated as such. It should not be that easy for some random person to buy a bunch of guns from a gun store then sell them at a mark up to gangs because when there is no background checks that is very well what might be happening

a gun is a deadly weapon in the wrong hands just like any other tool, a car, a bat, a shovel, a knife and even a pen. the reason why people sell second hand outside of gun stores is because they get their rightful money worth out of it. say you buy a colt m4 rifle for 1400 dollars, you have it for a few months and only put about 100 rounds down it. its still worth a good 1000 but a gun store wont give you that price, they will give you 600 bucks for it and resell it for 1100 dollars. a man has a right to get his money worth out of anything.

what makes you think they sell to gang members? a respectable gun owner would run a check and not sell to someone he finds out of the ordinary.. let me ask you something? i already know the answer but i feel the need to ask anyways. do you own any firearm?

also it is not that easy to get a firearm. first you need the required money for the gun. you go into a store fill out a 2 page paperwork with your first middle and last name, your social number, date of birth, the address where you live and other optional items. they then call the FBI and they transfer that info to them which takes 10 minutes to run the check and they say YES for Clear and No for not clear. if they clear you then you hand the money and get your gun and you walk out and if they dont clear you then they throw you out and call the police....how is this easy? its a 40 minute process total..

bullshit if you can just sell your old gun to anyone why wouldn't a specific group of people take advantage of that and agree to sell it to criminals for a higher price. You are far too trusting. Also are you really so crazy as to actually believe a pen is more deadly than an ar15?

i am not too trusting at all, i always background check the people i sell too. for instance i wouldn't sell you a gun because you dont really know a thing about them. as for pen you would be surprised what ive been trained to do with a pen. like i said before in the right hands anything can pretty much be a deadly weapon.

ya that is great for you but you arent the only person doing it. i mean how easy is it for a few people to regularly buy a few guns then sell it to random people without any background check and make a profit off of it. gangs have to get their guns from somewhere i mean guns dont magically appear.

also the pen thing come on you are joking yourself if you think a murderer will walk into a school with a pen and do the same amount of damage as he would with a gun. i mean do you really belief as many people would of died in sandy hook if the killer used a pen?

gang members dress and act a certain way, you can tell who is a gang member if you are smart. also you dont just sell to random people. its a few days of talking and getting a feel of the person. gangs will get guns no matter what in the end, sure some people sell to the wrong sort but its not even 1 percent.

a monster will find a way to carry out his acts no matter how much you try to limit a law abiding citizen because that is all these stupid lws do is restrict us and prevent us from the proper means of defense. criminals are criminals BECAUSE THEY FAIL TO OBEY THE LAW.....you think he gives a crap about the gun laws?

and as for curriculum you can make it an elective, don't really have to take away something to add something. or you can just add another period. hell i can even name a few pointless classes that are required but not needed in life. also as they go up in grades some times they don't have as many periods as other younger students, like most have 7 but i when i hit Junior i only had 4 or 5 so i got out about 12ish so you can just add it in then.

you need to be more open and learn to think rationally...

MrAnimeFanJul 31, 2014 4:19 PM

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Jul 31, 2014 4:26 PM

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cant just act like everyone who is not law enforcement or military and owns a gun doesnt know what they are doing or how to use it. a firearm is a tool and everyone who uses tools are required to know how it operates and functions.

like a car someone who drives, if it brakes you need to know how to fix it or how to operate it properly. same with a firearm.

45 percent of firearm owners are former military and combat vets like myself. we have more training then your average cop does in his entire career.

in my opinion the proper age to teach someone the dos and don'ts of owning a firearm starts in Jr High.

"What a pitty, for such a intelligent young lady to be so brain washed by the organization...but ill be happy to respond to your lecture, unfortunately the real world isnt always so black and white..little claymore" Teresa Of The Faint Smile.

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Jul 31, 2014 4:35 PM

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right now i am currently teaching my 10 year old nephew how to operate a firearm properly and safely. because his mom is single and disabled. i know for a fact i wont always be a round or i could end up dead myself. i want to know he can properly defend my sister if needed and have the courage and proper training to be able to draw effectively and drop anyone seeking to do harm to him or his mother. some day ill even buy him his own rifle when i feel he is mature enough to handle that responsibility.

i may not be a citified instructor but i scored expert on pretty much every platform i handled and i know more about what i am doing then most officers and law enforcement do.

MrAnimeFanJul 31, 2014 4:39 PM

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Jul 31, 2014 5:44 PM

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To me, guns are just a hobby. That's how I was raised. Yeah, they are dangerous but anything in the wrong hands is dangerous. I have friends that are cops and they have dealt with criminals who had parkour and martial arts skills like they are fucking ninjas and couldn't catch them. I don't believe in this whole everybody should go out and get a gun mumbo jumbo. If people don't want one, hey, cool. The NRA should just be an organization for hobbyists, not as a political lobbying group. I don't think what they are advocating in terms of gun safety education will work in today's society, but maybe it will work in Utah.

Most of the guns I have back home are mostly collector items or just family heirlooms that we have had for generations. Nothing functional about them. My dad was in special ops and served in Vietnam. He also came from a family of fellow soldiers, hunters and ranchers. And when my mom was a volunteer doctor in 3rd world countries, she had to pack heat and it actually helped her out of a few jams with other volunteers. My dad and his uncles just taught me how to shoot and be safe with guns from a young age. I started with bow and arrows and crossbows though. The guns they had for the recoil was too much for my small frame lol. And I say bow and arrows are a bitch when you are starting young and I do practice kyudo here in Japan from time to time.

I am left-handed but I score pretty high both shooting left and right-handed since my family initially trained me right-handed but it is mostly learning how to shoot with your "aim eye" which applies more with a bow and arrow. I can't shoot a bow and arrow left-handed strangely enough but when I fire right handed I can aim better with my "aim eye," my left eye.

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