Ryugen said: Luke Skywalker I mean, cmon the lightsaber can go through their weapon. Maybe you should read this edit: It just gives further proof of Lukes awesomeness |
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| Let me finish the argument and explain why Dracule Mihawk is better: Inuyasha That guy would probably beat Ichigo. He can instantly kill anyone by opening a gate that connects earth and hell, which is cool and OP. The problem is that that shit is somehow slow. Mihawk has observation haki, he would be able to predict there the hell gates would appear, thus, he would dodge them easily. Ichigo Pfft... The only thing he is superior when compared to Mihawk is speed. Mihawk has way more destructive power than Ichigo. Mihawk has the Observation Haki, and not only that, but Mihawk's title is "Hawk Eyes", which means his eyes can see things that a normal human can't. He would easily be able to keep it up with Ichigo's speed. Mihawk's eyes are so amazing that he can fight against the SECOND BEST SWORDSMAN IN THE WHOLE WORLD OF ONE PIECE without even paying attention to the fight at all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlsA3W98ero Besides that, Mihawk MAY BE faster than Ichigo. We still didn't see Mihawk fighting serious yet. Remember that he managed to slice Buggy in hundreds of different parts within 0.5 second. Luke Skywalker He wouldn't be able to block Mihawk's long ranged attacks. Because, lightsaber. I don't think there are any other competitors around, right? By the way, let's remember that Mihawk can cut through anything. The swordsman in the world of One Piece can cut through the "souls" of the objects. It is really difficult to explain, but one of the best swordsmen in One Piece said that if you want to cut something like steel, you need to do a special cut. Each rough object requires a "different" cut. If you can do that cut, you can cut it like if it was butter. The same applies to swords. Mihawk can cut them all |
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Eutass said: Well, I have only watched Bleach till episode number 64 so I am not sure how strong he really becomes. But Mihawk can easily beat the Ichigo I know. Well... He gets close to omnypotent level, Bleach is pretty exageratted when it comes to power. You only mentioned speed but have you seen Mihawk's actual speed? Don't underestimate it. Remember how he cut Buggy into so many parts in a mere second. This is sword skills, not physical speed. And yeah he is fast with sword. But Ichigo have much more physical speed, and Mihawk can't deflect any of the best attacks of Ichigo, they are much powerfull. Ryukatsuka said: Exactly... But i ain't fair too, if i say the best swordman is Mihawk, just because Ichigo is overpowered(by fucking Kubo)... lupadim said: Ichigo Pfft... Mihawk has way more destructive power than Ichigo. If was me i don't be too certain about that. Mihawk has the Observation Haki, and not only that, but Mihawk's title is "Hawk Eyes", which means his eyes can see things that a normal human can't. He would easily be able to keep it up with Ichigo's speed. This is just a guess, has never been explained yet. So no one knows it for certainly. Mihawk's eyes are so amazing that he can fight against the SECOND BEST SWORDSMAN IN THE WHOLE WORLD OF ONE PIECE without even paying attention to the fight at all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlsA3W98ero Another guess, no one said Vista is the second. Neither Oda. Vista is great, he hold Mihawk a bit. But Rayleigh is much more powerfull and much more proeficient in Haki than Vista has ever gonna be. We still didn't see Mihawk fighting serious yet. Remember that he managed to slice Buggy in hundreds of different parts within 0.5 second. This isn't physical speed. Mihawk can't move as Ichigo can. Mihawk can cut them all No because he cannot overpower Ichigo's speed. Maybe if he can predict, he still can do nothing about it. |
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jpem said: He did learn swordsmanship under Urahara and he did train with old man Zangetsu in sword fighting.Rather than questioning if Ichigo is the best swordsman we should question if he is a swordsman at all. He does not know and makes no effort to learn proper swordsman-ship and he has one attack that is based off his large pool of reiatsu rather than any skill with his sword. He may be strong but I'm not entirely sure he should be considered a swordsman in this discussion, same goes for Trafalgar Law. |
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DrGeroCreation said: Urahara didn't really train him in swordsmanship, he admitted it. He just helped him with his resolve or whatever.jpem said: He did learn swordsmanship under Urahara and he did train with old man Zangetsu in sword fighting.Rather than questioning if Ichigo is the best swordsman we should question if he is a swordsman at all. He does not know and makes no effort to learn proper swordsman-ship and he has one attack that is based off his large pool of reiatsu rather than any skill with his sword. He may be strong but I'm not entirely sure he should be considered a swordsman in this discussion, same goes for Trafalgar Law. |
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jpem said: He did in his second fight with Renji and I think his fight with Ikkaku.DrGeroCreation said: Is that so? I guess I forgot as he never actually puts it into practice.jpem said: He did learn swordsmanship under Urahara and he did train with old man Zangetsu in sword fighting.Rather than questioning if Ichigo is the best swordsman we should question if he is a swordsman at all. He does not know and makes no effort to learn proper swordsman-ship and he has one attack that is based off his large pool of reiatsu rather than any skill with his sword. He may be strong but I'm not entirely sure he should be considered a swordsman in this discussion, same goes for Trafalgar Law. |
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goldslash said: Eutass said: Well, I have only watched Bleach till episode number 64 so I am not sure how strong he really becomes. But Mihawk can easily beat the Ichigo I know. Well... He gets close to omnypotent level, Bleach is pretty exageratted when it comes to power. bleach characters omnipotent? that's an exaggeration, bleach most powerfull attacks can destroy mountains at best a true omnipotent character like Kami Tenchi can slice the universe with his sword (an then create a new if he wishes) |
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IntroverTurtle said: True but it 's hard to determine what is and is not training in swordsmanship in Bleach. Training to achieve shikai and bankai can be seen as training in swordsmanship in Bleach and in his training with Urahara Ichigo did unlock shikai.DrGeroCreation said: Urahara didn't really train him in swordsmanship, he admitted it. He just helped him with his resolve or whatever.jpem said: He did learn swordsmanship under Urahara and he did train with old man Zangetsu in sword fighting.Rather than questioning if Ichigo is the best swordsman we should question if he is a swordsman at all. He does not know and makes no effort to learn proper swordsman-ship and he has one attack that is based off his large pool of reiatsu rather than any skill with his sword. He may be strong but I'm not entirely sure he should be considered a swordsman in this discussion, same goes for Trafalgar Law. |
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Eutass said: Ichigo is part human. If you go by that then Trunks and Inuyasha can't be discussed as well? Trunks is half human and half saiyan while Inuyasha is half human and half demon.hmmn, Swordsman... A man means human but Ichigo is not even a human so Ichigo being a swordsman is incorrect. Also, I searched more about Ichigo... he can only stand a chance against Hawkeye if he transforms into some other creature... So now Ichigo should not be discussed anymore... |
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Eutass said: Oh I see you are talking Ichigo in his shingami form without turning full hollow or using his hollow mask. Trunk's sword broke that's why we didn't see him use it again but it was never said he never got a new sword and quit using his sword. In the Bojack movie which is set after the Cell saga he does have a new sword although the movies are not canon.DrGeroCreation said: Eutass said: Ichigo is part human. If you go by that then Trunks and Inuyasha can't be discussed as well? Trunks is half human and half saiyan while Inuyasha is half human and half demon.hmmn, Swordsman... A man means human but Ichigo is not even a human so Ichigo being a swordsman is incorrect. Also, I searched more about Ichigo... he can only stand a chance against Hawkeye if he transforms into some other creature... So now Ichigo should not be discussed anymore... Yea, agree but I am talking about 'transformation'... If Ichigo can stand against Mihawk in his human form then it's okay. Transformation is not allowed. And TRUNKS: He quited swordsmanship so he should not be considered a swordsman. (Remember his fight with Cell) |
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Eutass said: DrGeroCreation said: Eutass said: Ichigo is part human. If you go by that then Trunks and Inuyasha can't be discussed as well? Trunks is half human and half saiyan while Inuyasha is half human and half demon.hmmn, Swordsman... A man means human but Ichigo is not even a human so Ichigo being a swordsman is incorrect. Also, I searched more about Ichigo... he can only stand a chance against Hawkeye if he transforms into some other creature... So now Ichigo should not be discussed anymore... Yea, agree but I am talking about 'transformation'... If Ichigo can stand against Mihawk in his human form then it's okay. Transformation is not allowed. And TRUNKS: He quited swordsmanship so he should not be considered a swordsman. (Remember his fight with Cell) So neither Hawk Eyes or Haki can be allowed... |
| I had even forgot about Trafalgar Law. ROFL. Most of the One Piece characters can stomp anyone from any battle shounen. Maybe Trafalgar Law is actually capable of defeating Mihawk. In theory, he should be able to defeat anyone. By the way, don't make me mention Mihawk managed to easily cut through Zoro's three swords with a pocket knife. One of those three swords was a legendary sword that should be in theory impossible to scratch. A damn pocket knife. If Ichigo even tried to get close to Mihawk, Mihawk would simply cut through his Zanpakutou |
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Eutass said: Law can cut through anything in a determined range. It doesn't matter the distance or the resistance. He can cut it with a single sword slash. It is a very OP technique that has no limitations. He can basically transport anything. lupadim said: Wrong, Prove itI had even forgot about Trafalgar Law. ROFL. Most of the One Piece characters can stomp anyone from any battle shounen. Maybe Trafalgar Law is actually capable of defeating Mihawk. In theory, he should be able to defeat anyone. You can check him here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVGhNcQ42J8 Smoker and others can fight against him because they are aware of his abilities, so they have an easier time dodging his invisible and instant cuts. But Ichigo wouldn't know anything about his ability. It would be something like "I am Ichigo, the man that will defeat you and... Wait, where is my body?" |
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Eutass said: Hollow Ichigo even though he is a "monster" actually does know swordsmanship http://youtu.be/1W0JJy6-vEkgoldslash said: So neither Hawk Eyes or Haki can be allowed... Don't be dumb, swordsmanship is not for monsters... There are some rules for swordsmanship that you don't understand. A swordsman is no longer swordsman if he turns his body into some disgusting creature... |
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Eutass said: goldslash said: So neither Hawk Eyes or Haki can be allowed... Don't be dumb, swordsmanship is not for monsters... There are some rules for swordsmanship that you don't understand. A swordsman is no longer swordsman if he turns his body into some disgusting creature... Ichigo is human, i said transformation is his skill. And with transformation he still uses a sword. Don't need to be human to use a sword either. Like Asura's of Zoro... When Zoro uses Asura he looks like a demon, it's like fight 3 zoro, but he still human. So trunks, inuyasha, seshoumaru,zoro, a lot of swordmans are out of the question. |
lupadim said: Eutass said: Law can cut through anything in a determined range. It doesn't matter the distance or the resistance. He can cut it with a single sword slash. It is a very OP technique that has no limitations. He can basically transport anything. lupadim said: Wrong, Prove itI had even forgot about Trafalgar Law. ROFL. Most of the One Piece characters can stomp anyone from any battle shounen. Maybe Trafalgar Law is actually capable of defeating Mihawk. In theory, he should be able to defeat anyone. You can check him here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVGhNcQ42J8 Smoker and others can fight against him because they are aware of his abilities, so they have an easier time dodging his invisible and instant cuts. But Ichigo wouldn't know anything about his ability. It would be something like "I am Ichigo, the man that will defeat you and... Wait, where is my body?" Yeah but he needs to pass throught reiatsu... And still Ichigo can enter is his body again. It's easy work against that, just he leaves his body and enter again, he control his soul, remember?? And when ichigo figures out, with his speed, it can stay out of the Law's range. Law's cannot beat Ichigo, cuz he is a shinigami. |
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goldslash said: So what? Ichigo would be cut in half. Law can also manipulate other people's souls.lupadim said: Eutass said: Law can cut through anything in a determined range. It doesn't matter the distance or the resistance. He can cut it with a single sword slash. It is a very OP technique that has no limitations. He can basically transport anything. lupadim said: Wrong, Prove itI had even forgot about Trafalgar Law. ROFL. Most of the One Piece characters can stomp anyone from any battle shounen. Maybe Trafalgar Law is actually capable of defeating Mihawk. In theory, he should be able to defeat anyone. You can check him here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVGhNcQ42J8 Smoker and others can fight against him because they are aware of his abilities, so they have an easier time dodging his invisible and instant cuts. But Ichigo wouldn't know anything about his ability. It would be something like "I am Ichigo, the man that will defeat you and... Wait, where is my body?" Yeah but he needs to pass throught reiatsu... And still Ichigo can enter is his body again. It's easy work against that, just he leaves his body and enter again, he control his soul, remember?? And when ichigo figures out, with his speed, it can stay out of the Law's range. Law's cannot beat Ichigo, cuz he is a shinigami. |
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DrGeroCreation said: Law can cut ANYTHING. He is not limited to solid things. We have seen Law manipulating souls. He can switch people's minds and do a lot of cold tricks. Not to mention, Law doesnt exactly "cuts"... He simply separates the matter. If you pay attention to the video, the people that were cut by him in half are still alive and they are not even bleeding. Still, they can't walk or control their bodies. |
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Emperorrd3 said: Kenshin Himora takes the cake with his reversed blade sword Kenshin isn't even the strongest in Rurouni Kenshin. Strictly using a sakabato, he probably wouldn't have been able to beat Sojiro, let alone Shishio. As Battousai the Manslayer though, he might be able to stand up to them, but in the end, the strongest swordsman in that manga will always be Seijuro Hiko. Heck, if Kenshin didn't go all Battousai in the dojo fight, Saitou would have probably beaten him too. Then again, this one might be a stretch. |
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lupadim said: Okay but Ichigo can fly and is very fast so it would be problematic for Law to get him in the" room" to manipulate or dismember him.DrGeroCreation said: Law can cut ANYTHING. He is not limited to solid things. We have seen Law manipulating souls. He can switch people's minds and do a lot of cold tricks. Not to mention, Law doesnt exactly "cuts"... He simply separates the matter. If you pay attention to the video, the people that were cut by him in half are still alive and they are not even bleeding. Still, they can't walk or control their bodies. |
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DrGeroCreation said: Ichigo wouldn't see Law and go all like "OH SHIT THAT GUY SEEMS TO BE EXTREMELY DANGEROUS, LET ME FLY AROUND HIM TO AVOID BEING CAUGHT"lupadim said: Okay but Ichigo can fly and is very fast so it would be problematic for Law to get him in the" room" to manipulate or dismember him.DrGeroCreation said: Law can cut ANYTHING. He is not limited to solid things. We have seen Law manipulating souls. He can switch people's minds and do a lot of cold tricks. Not to mention, Law doesnt exactly "cuts"... He simply separates the matter. If you pay attention to the video, the people that were cut by him in half are still alive and they are not even bleeding. Still, they can't walk or control their bodies.We are supposing that both opponents don't know anything about each other's power yet. Law would surprise him by randomly swinging his sword in the air and cutting Ichigo. When it comes to Mihawk: Even if Ichigo knew about Mihawk's strength, he wouldn't be able to win. Mihawk is so OP that he doesn't even name his attacks. |
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lupadim said: DrGeroCreation said: Ichigo wouldn't see Law and go all like "OH SHIT THAT GUY SEEMS TO BE EXTREMELY DANGEROUS, LET ME FLY AROUND HIM TO AVOID BEING CAUGHT"lupadim said: Okay but Ichigo can fly and is very fast so it would be problematic for Law to get him in the" room" to manipulate or dismember him.DrGeroCreation said: Law can cut ANYTHING. He is not limited to solid things. We have seen Law manipulating souls. He can switch people's minds and do a lot of cold tricks. Not to mention, Law doesnt exactly "cuts"... He simply separates the matter. If you pay attention to the video, the people that were cut by him in half are still alive and they are not even bleeding. Still, they can't walk or control their bodies.We are supposing that both opponents don't know anything about each other's power yet. Law would surprise him by randomly swinging his sword in the air and cutting Ichigo. When it comes to Mihawk: Even if Ichigo knew about Mihawk's strength, he wouldn't be able to win. Mihawk is so OP that he doesn't even name his attacks. Ichigo has that spiritual pressure though. Remember that time with Byakuya's spiritual pressure? Times that a couple times and you have Ichigo. Those fools won't even be able to move. |
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Dark_Chaos said: If Ichigo depends on spiritual pressure in order to defeat Mihawk we can't even call that a swordsman fight at all.lupadim said: DrGeroCreation said: Ichigo wouldn't see Law and go all like "OH SHIT THAT GUY SEEMS TO BE EXTREMELY DANGEROUS, LET ME FLY AROUND HIM TO AVOID BEING CAUGHT"lupadim said: Okay but Ichigo can fly and is very fast so it would be problematic for Law to get him in the" room" to manipulate or dismember him.DrGeroCreation said: Law can cut ANYTHING. He is not limited to solid things. We have seen Law manipulating souls. He can switch people's minds and do a lot of cold tricks. Not to mention, Law doesnt exactly "cuts"... He simply separates the matter. If you pay attention to the video, the people that were cut by him in half are still alive and they are not even bleeding. Still, they can't walk or control their bodies.We are supposing that both opponents don't know anything about each other's power yet. Law would surprise him by randomly swinging his sword in the air and cutting Ichigo. When it comes to Mihawk: Even if Ichigo knew about Mihawk's strength, he wouldn't be able to win. Mihawk is so OP that he doesn't even name his attacks. Ichigo's got that spiritual pressure though. Remember that time with Byakuya's spiritual pressure? Times that a couple times and you have Ichigo. Those fools won't even be able to move. Anyway, if those shitty techniques are counting... Rayleigh / Shanks / (insert anyone's name here) would be able to solo the entire Bleach universe without moving a single finger... Haoushoku Haki. Basically, one in every 1 million people has the Haoshoku Haki. Most of them won't ever use it. But some people use it, and it is very overpowered. You can basically knock down anyone without even looking at them. One Piece still didn't explain the "Limits" of that power (because it seems some people have a stronger Haoshoku haki than others, and some people do not get knocked down by it), but so far Shanks and Rayleigh were able to knock down every single person they tried to knock down. Not to mention, Haoshoku Haki has a way bigger range than spiritual pressure. But Mihawk doesn't has Haoshoku Haki, so yeah, maybe he won't be able to solo the Bleach universe. |
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DrGeroCreation said: Ichigo is a shounen protagonist, he would obviously allow his opponent to attack first. Every single shounen protagonist does that.Also, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwWdFc0bbwA |
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lupadim said: Dark_Chaos said: If Ichigo depends on spiritual pressure in order to defeat Mihawk we can't even call that a swordsman fight at all.lupadim said: DrGeroCreation said: Ichigo wouldn't see Law and go all like "OH SHIT THAT GUY SEEMS TO BE EXTREMELY DANGEROUS, LET ME FLY AROUND HIM TO AVOID BEING CAUGHT"lupadim said: Okay but Ichigo can fly and is very fast so it would be problematic for Law to get him in the" room" to manipulate or dismember him.DrGeroCreation said: Law can cut ANYTHING. He is not limited to solid things. We have seen Law manipulating souls. He can switch people's minds and do a lot of cold tricks. Not to mention, Law doesnt exactly "cuts"... He simply separates the matter. If you pay attention to the video, the people that were cut by him in half are still alive and they are not even bleeding. Still, they can't walk or control their bodies.We are supposing that both opponents don't know anything about each other's power yet. Law would surprise him by randomly swinging his sword in the air and cutting Ichigo. When it comes to Mihawk: Even if Ichigo knew about Mihawk's strength, he wouldn't be able to win. Mihawk is so OP that he doesn't even name his attacks. Ichigo's got that spiritual pressure though. Remember that time with Byakuya's spiritual pressure? Times that a couple times and you have Ichigo. Those fools won't even be able to move. Anyway, if those shitty techniques are counting... Rayleigh / Shanks / (insert anyone's name here) would be able to solo the entire Bleach universe without moving a single finger... Haoushoku Haki. Basically, one in every 1 million people has the Haoshoku Haki. Most of them won't ever use it. But some people use it, and it is very overpowered. You can basically knock down anyone without even looking at them. One Piece still didn't explain the "Limits" of that power (because it seems some people have a stronger Haoshoku haki than others, and some people do not get knocked down by it), but so far Shanks and Rayleigh were able to knock down every single person they tried to knock down. The thread title says "best swordsmen". There's no rule saying they have to use their swords. Not up to date on One Piece, so I can't tell whether you are bullshitting or not. I'll leave it to someone else is that far ahead though. |
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Dark_Chaos said: http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Haki/Haoshoku_HakiThe thread title says "best swordsmen". There's no rule saying they have to use their swords. Not up to date on One Piece, so I can't tell whether you are bullshitting or not. I'll leave it to someone else is that far ahead though. Usage said: This type of Haki grants the user the ability to dominate the wills of others. The most common usage in the series so far is knocking those with weak wills unconscious. Note that you need an incredibly stupid amount of will if you want to survive that. Many legendary people in One Piece that accomplished great things have been knocked down by Haki already. Any swordsman with Haoshoku Haki would be able to solo the Bleach universe. |
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lupadim said: That is just an assumption based on a stereotype. Can conqueror's haki affect spiritual beings? It seems to be that it just affects living beings.DrGeroCreation said: Ichigo is a shounen protagonist, he would obviously allow his opponent to attack first. Every single shounen protagonist does that.Also, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwWdFc0bbwA |
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DrGeroCreation said: It manipulates the will, thus, it would affect spiritual beingslupadim said: That is just an assumption based on a stereotype. Can conqueror's haki affect spiritual beings? It seems to be that it just affects living beings.DrGeroCreation said: Ichigo is a shounen protagonist, he would obviously allow his opponent to attack first. Every single shounen protagonist does that.Also, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwWdFc0bbwA But what about my previous argument? I bet Ichigo always allow his opponents to attack first. Law would cut him in half while drawing the sword. |
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DrGeroCreation said: Ichigo has some kind of way to see how strong his opponents are. Law would probably look like a peasant for him. He wouldn't go flying in light speed on the first second he sees Law. |
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lupadim said: Ichigo can sense reiatsu (spiritual power) like any other shinigami. Ichigo could just attack from the air with getsuga tenshou.DrGeroCreation said: Ichigo has some kind of way to see how strong his opponents are. Law would probably look like a peasant for him. He wouldn't go flying in light speed on the first second he sees Law. |
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DrGeroCreation said: Law can make the getsuga tenshou go backwards and hit Ichigo.lupadim said: Ichigo can sense reiatsu (spiritual power) like any other shinigami. Ichigo could just attack from the air with getsuga tenshou.DrGeroCreation said: Ichigo has some kind of way to see how strong his opponents are. Law would probably look like a peasant for him. He wouldn't go flying in light speed on the first second he sees Law. |
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lupadim said: Lol and Ichigo would just dodge it. I think you are also underestimating Ichigo's speed plus the fact that Law wouldn't be able to see him anyway.DrGeroCreation said: Law can make the getsuga tenshou go backwards and hit Ichigo.lupadim said: Ichigo can sense reiatsu (spiritual power) like any other shinigami. Ichigo could just attack from the air with getsuga tenshou.DrGeroCreation said: Ichigo has some kind of way to see how strong his opponents are. Law would probably look like a peasant for him. He wouldn't go flying in light speed on the first second he sees Law. |
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DrGeroCreation said: Oh, I love that argument. "Law can't see him"lupadim said: Lol and Ichigo would just dodge it. I think you are also underestimating Ichigo's speed plus the fact that Law wouldn't be able to see him anyway.DrGeroCreation said: Law can make the getsuga tenshou go backwards and hit Ichigo.lupadim said: Ichigo can sense reiatsu (spiritual power) like any other shinigami. Ichigo could just attack from the air with getsuga tenshou.DrGeroCreation said: Ichigo has some kind of way to see how strong his opponents are. Law would probably look like a peasant for him. He wouldn't go flying in light speed on the first second he sees Law.Let's see who would win: Marcos the Phoenix or [pick any, REALLY, anyone from the Bleach universe) Marcos is immortal and regenerates any wound instantly. The only way to kill him is with a special stone that is only found in the One Piece universe. Thanks. |
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lupadim said: DrGeroCreation said: Oh, I love that argument. "Law can't see him"lupadim said: Lol and Ichigo would just dodge it. I think you are also underestimating Ichigo's speed plus the fact that Law wouldn't be able to see him anyway.DrGeroCreation said: Law can make the getsuga tenshou go backwards and hit Ichigo.lupadim said: Ichigo can sense reiatsu (spiritual power) like any other shinigami. Ichigo could just attack from the air with getsuga tenshou.DrGeroCreation said: Ichigo has some kind of way to see how strong his opponents are. Law would probably look like a peasant for him. He wouldn't go flying in light speed on the first second he sees Law.Let's see who would win: Marcos the Phoenix or [pick any, REALLY, anyone from the Bleach universe) Marcos is immortal and regenerates any wound instantly. The only way to kill him is with a special stone that is only found in the One Piece universe. Thanks. Or throw him into the water and watch him drown (assuming he is a devil fruit user). You can literally beat half the cast of One Piece that way. |
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Dark_Chaos said: Good luck throwing a phoenix in the water. He is basically immaterial.lupadim said: DrGeroCreation said: Oh, I love that argument. "Law can't see him"lupadim said: Lol and Ichigo would just dodge it. I think you are also underestimating Ichigo's speed plus the fact that Law wouldn't be able to see him anyway.DrGeroCreation said: Law can make the getsuga tenshou go backwards and hit Ichigo.lupadim said: Ichigo can sense reiatsu (spiritual power) like any other shinigami. Ichigo could just attack from the air with getsuga tenshou.DrGeroCreation said: Ichigo has some kind of way to see how strong his opponents are. Law would probably look like a peasant for him. He wouldn't go flying in light speed on the first second he sees Law.Let's see who would win: Marcos the Phoenix or [pick any, REALLY, anyone from the Bleach universe) Marcos is immortal and regenerates any wound instantly. The only way to kill him is with a special stone that is only found in the One Piece universe. Thanks. Or throw him into the water and watch him drown (assuming he is a devil fruit user). You can literally beat half the cast of One Piece that way. |
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DrGeroCreation said: As One Piece characters don't need energy...Anyway, you can't compare the two universes without adapting them to each other a bit. |
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lupadim said: Dark_Chaos said: If Ichigo depends on spiritual pressure in order to defeat Mihawk we can't even call that a swordsman fight at all.lupadim said: DrGeroCreation said: Ichigo wouldn't see Law and go all like "OH SHIT THAT GUY SEEMS TO BE EXTREMELY DANGEROUS, LET ME FLY AROUND HIM TO AVOID BEING CAUGHT"lupadim said: Okay but Ichigo can fly and is very fast so it would be problematic for Law to get him in the" room" to manipulate or dismember him.DrGeroCreation said: Law can cut ANYTHING. He is not limited to solid things. We have seen Law manipulating souls. He can switch people's minds and do a lot of cold tricks. Not to mention, Law doesnt exactly "cuts"... He simply separates the matter. If you pay attention to the video, the people that were cut by him in half are still alive and they are not even bleeding. Still, they can't walk or control their bodies.We are supposing that both opponents don't know anything about each other's power yet. Law would surprise him by randomly swinging his sword in the air and cutting Ichigo. When it comes to Mihawk: Even if Ichigo knew about Mihawk's strength, he wouldn't be able to win. Mihawk is so OP that he doesn't even name his attacks. Ichigo's got that spiritual pressure though. Remember that time with Byakuya's spiritual pressure? Times that a couple times and you have Ichigo. Those fools won't even be able to move. Anyway, if those shitty techniques are counting... Rayleigh / Shanks / (insert anyone's name here) would be able to solo the entire Bleach universe without moving a single finger... Haoushoku Haki. Basically, one in every 1 million people has the Haoshoku Haki. Most of them won't ever use it. But some people use it, and it is very overpowered. You can basically knock down anyone without even looking at them. One Piece still didn't explain the "Limits" of that power (because it seems some people have a stronger Haoshoku haki than others, and some people do not get knocked down by it), but so far Shanks and Rayleigh were able to knock down every single person they tried to knock down. Not to mention, Haoshoku Haki has a way bigger range than spiritual pressure. But Mihawk doesn't has Haoshoku Haki, so yeah, maybe he won't be able to solo the Bleach universe. Fail!!! King Haki only knocks weak persons... You can't use King Haki on Aokiji or Sakazuki, lol. Ichigo don't be knocked by King Haki, his reiatsu is too high... And even he can knock Ichigo, his Zanpakutou can assume. So it's the worst argument i've ever seen. |
lupadim said: I don't understand what you are trying to imply by saying this "As One Piece characters don't need energy... "DrGeroCreation said: As One Piece characters don't need energy...Anyway, you can't compare the two universes without adapting them to each other a bit. |
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DrGeroCreation said: One Piece characters don't need "mana", so Marcos can go to the phoenix mode and stay there for as much time as he wants.lupadim said: I don't understand what you are trying to imply by saying this "As One Piece characters don't need energy... "DrGeroCreation said: As One Piece characters don't need energy...Anyway, you can't compare the two universes without adapting them to each other a bit. |
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