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DarkCyclone said: SimmianPrime said: If I don't watch the whole series then I can't criticize it properly, and oooooh boy am I gonna unload on this series once it's over. Since I'm careful with the series I pick up (apart from seasonal) I've only ever had to force myself through about 5 anime. Ah, you're one of those guys. You're pretty much decided on what you think of the series maybe a couple of episodes in, this opinion will not change, yet you still watch the whole series, then forcefeed us your opinions on how "bad" it is once it is over. Since that's your game, enjoy the rest of the series then, looking forward to hearing how bad the next episode will be and how KLK is trash...again... Ahhh you're one of those guys. I believe the term is "raging fanboy" If someone drops it after one episode then they didn't give it enough time, but if they continue to watch the series and still don't like it then they're just a hater. I literally can't win unless I absolutely fucking love the show. |
SimmianPrime said: You can watch, and be disappointed in the show if you really want to.If someone drops it after one episode then they didn't give it enough time, but if they continue to watch the series and still don't like it then they're just a hater. I literally can't win unless I absolutely fucking love the show. Insulting it every single episode does nothing to help anyone though - and often just invites fights and such. Most people tend to drop shows they dislike within 10 episodes, so this problem isn't very common. |
| "Evidently... There's no such thing as 'meaning' in this world. But that in itself is wonderful... isn't it? Since if there isn't a set meaning, then you can just find one on your own." - Filicia Heideman, So Ra No Wo To |
SimmianPrime said: Ahhh you're one of those guys. I believe the term is "raging fanboy" If someone drops it after one episode then they didn't give it enough time, but if they continue to watch the series and still don't like it then they're just a hater. I literally can't win unless I absolutely fucking love the show. You're really stating those kinds of extremes to prove your point? You watch enough of it to realise if the show is for you or not. Could be in 1 episode, could be in 5 or 15, but you've obviously reached the point where every episode is bad and KLK is bad, yet we still hear from you that it's bad still with no explanation as to why. I called out how bad KLK was half way through and actually said why at least. Now I've accepted it has actually improved because I'm not bias And still waiting for those legitimate reasons why 19 is a bad episode... but will probably get more trolling instead |
SimmianPrime said: DarkCyclone said: SimmianPrime said: If I don't watch the whole series then I can't criticize it properly, and oooooh boy am I gonna unload on this series once it's over. Since I'm careful with the series I pick up (apart from seasonal) I've only ever had to force myself through about 5 anime. Ah, you're one of those guys. You're pretty much decided on what you think of the series maybe a couple of episodes in, this opinion will not change, yet you still watch the whole series, then forcefeed us your opinions on how "bad" it is once it is over. Since that's your game, enjoy the rest of the series then, looking forward to hearing how bad the next episode will be and how KLK is trash...again... Ahhh you're one of those guys. I believe the term is "raging fanboy" If someone drops it after one episode then they didn't give it enough time, but if they continue to watch the series and still don't like it then they're just a hater. I literally can't win unless I absolutely fucking love the show. there was something to win in the first place o_O? |
BRSxIgnition said: DarkCyclone said: You people seriously think Mako's gonna die based on wonky conspiracy theories? Get real. Mako isn't dying Actually I wouldn't anticipate anybody dying outside of the main villains. Pretty much everyone else has been immortal so far Ya never know.. Imaishi and his team have an odd history of killing off every single one of their cannon romantic pairings. Plus, if the show keeps getting any darker than this.. Character deaths are imminent. (Not that I outright believe the "21 I DIE" theory) Hopefully only the non-morbid staff made the transition to Trigger If I recall correctly, some staff didn't like the idea of I would like to point out that Kiyoh and Dayakka did not die and in the movies, Makken doesn't die either |
stickmansamFeb 24, 2014 6:25 PM
| I always knew Gamagoori had a soft spot for Mako. poor Senketsu :( |
| I hate Ragyo, I hope she dies soon xD |
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| I'm actually surprised that folks over here are actually discussing something. I wish we could get a discussion going on some of the symbolism and what some of it might mean. I have to admit this past episode has gotten folks in such a frenzy that waiting for this weeks episode is unbearable. Yeah, I've been gone for years now. |
yasako2isakoFeb 25, 2014 9:06 AM
| Anyone else noticed MAko's mom kept looking at the teachers D? |
| WOAH! what a nice episode.. love it love it love it! <3 everyone became NUDIST BEACH now.. LOL totally love this show now XD damn.. they all look so fucking awesome for me LOL XD and ryuko in the end.. cool scene.. but senketsu :' ryuko :' ryago is a bitch _-- |
Kokopelli said: I've been wanting to for a while, but it seems that very few people care. I could go on and on about a lot of the symbols like clothing, the red thread of fate, blood, etc. Actually, thank you, Kokopelli. I've been wanting to mention and underlying theme of this show - one that I believe has been confirmed by the staff, but not many people have noticed. Denying the Red String of Fate The red string of fate is something comparable to destiny. It usually ties two soul mates together by their pinkies, but can also tie enemies, friends, and more together into a common destiny. You may wonder why this is important at all... What color are Life Fibers? Not to mention, Matoi Isshin (after abandoning the name Souichirou) looks just like the god of fate, who holds the red string of fate in one hand and a cane in the left. When we are given his description.. What is he holding in his hand opposite the cane? Just Senketsu. Seems oddly foreshadowing. Can't wait to see what happens. |
| "Evidently... There's no such thing as 'meaning' in this world. But that in itself is wonderful... isn't it? Since if there isn't a set meaning, then you can just find one on your own." - Filicia Heideman, So Ra No Wo To |
Kokopelli said: yasako2isako said: I wish we could get a discussion going on some of the symbolism and what some of it might mean. I've been wanting to for a while, but it seems that very few people care. I could go on and on about a lot of the symbols like clothing, the red thread of fate, blood, etc. I mean this is what it's all about on a forum. I mean since the show started there has been quite of few allegories to the show. So far I've heard "menstraton", chakras, gods, being the girls opposite of TTGL and even someone doing one with Nietzsche. I enjoy reading stuff like this because I believe there is a different meaning other than what's on the surface. Forgive any typos as I'm typing in the dark. Also, when someone mentioned that whole deal of the chakra wheel, but since we're dealing with fibers and cutting what if that were also representing a sewing wheel? |
yasako2isakoFeb 25, 2014 9:44 PM
ollythirteen said: tl/dr you are witnessing the evangelion effect |
ollythirteen said: PS I still doubt that whole 6 extra episodes theory. The show started one way, the writer realised the style would wear out its welcome and so changed course and tone. It's worked so far but came a bit too late. I'm not even going to comment on the rest of your post, but this is factually wrong. They didn't realize that it "wear out its welcome" - they realized they could go further with the extra time they had from scheduling it for 2 cours. Studio TRIGGER said: Q: So while it took time, did the script-writing progress well? N: Not at all. After we’d decided on a 2-cour series, I submitted the script for Episodes 1-4 … and Imaishi said “THIS ISN’T THE KIND OF WORK I WANT TO DO!” and ripped it apart. Q: This sounds familiar. Did that happen during TTGL, too? N: During the show (leo). Six years ago, Imaishi ripped up the finished script for Episode 1 while screaming “The drill in my heart won’t spin with shit like this!” I: Did I really say that? It’s like my words are getting blown out of proportion (lel) N: This time, it ended up with “I can’t wear sailor uniforms with this kind of story!” while ripping up 4 episodes’ worth of script. I: EHH~? Does that mean I have to wear a sailor uniform if I OK’d the script? Q: Hahaha. So there was a big turnaround in direction. N: TTGL had one draft denied, but this time it was 4. The acceptance rate fell! (lel) I: I’m sorry. Haven’t got used to it, have you (lel N: But no question, the script is very interesting. Q: So with this major directional change, what were the effects on the story? N: Initially we were making a battle-manga type show, but it changed to character drama. The battle-show planned for a complete story ended up becoming a work where regular characters’ development/drama will be thoroughly explored. The work coincidentally became much more interesting from there. I: The heroine (Ryuuko Matoi)’s personality changed, too. N: Ryuuko was initially a completed character. But after the changes in script, she became the type of character where one would get involved in incidents by circumstance, and we made it so the viewer and the heroine would discover what’s happening in this world at the same time. Ryuuko therefore became a character with much more vitality. I: We thought we’d go all out with the best elements from shonen manga. We decided to make this work one where the audience can feel strongly about the main character with a diversity of emotions. |
| "Evidently... There's no such thing as 'meaning' in this world. But that in itself is wonderful... isn't it? Since if there isn't a set meaning, then you can just find one on your own." - Filicia Heideman, So Ra No Wo To |
| Don't think I'm the only one that believes KLK is still fairly shallow even up to this point. I honestly don't even feel the writers have put in as much thought regarding its' own symbolism, as some of you have here. What I do get the feeling is that some of the themes the writers have used can be vaguely attributed to symbolism, and instead of diving deeper into it, they just run with it So yeah, I'm also of the opinion that the writers are getting too much credit here, I mean they are hardly Steinbeck or Golding. KLK has been mindless action up until this point, now suddenly the writers seem to consider plot to be an important aspect of the series. Better late than never |
DarkCyclone said: Don't think I'm the only one that believes KLK is still fairly shallow even up to this point. I honestly don't even feel the writers have put in as much thought regarding its' own symbolism, as some of you have here. What I do get the feeling is that some of the themes the writers have used can be vaguely attributed to symbolism, and instead of diving deeper into it, they just run with it So yeah, I'm also of the opinion that the writers are getting too much credit here, I mean they are hardly Steinbeck or Golding. KLK has been mindless action up until this point, now suddenly the writers seem to consider plot to be an important aspect of the series. Better late than never I don't dissagree, but if this were your run-of-the-mill shounen, I'd be in 100% agreement. I think the symbolism being vague fits in perfect with the hyperactivity and sillyness of the show that crosses everything from the plot, to characters, to art - it makes it an in-depth story if you want it to be or nothing but crazy fun. I also feel the plot has moved quite fast and been consistant from the start. |
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| Wow can we just take a moment to talk about how cute Nonon is. I can't even handle how adorable she is. BUT OMIGOD RYUKO REJECTED SENKETSU NO OMIOGD I CANT WAIT FOR NEXT EPISODELASJDLKJASG |
| It's as almost saying that KLK takes a page from Eva. We just made a show but somehow subconsciously made it a work of art even though it's not what you think it is. Lots of intense eyes. |
| Dunno what happened with you Olly - you hated the show, then you started really liking it, then you went back to hating it. I have to say - the only think I'm disappointed at with KILL la KILL is the animation, which is directly tied to their budget as a new company. They make up for a good chunk of it with absolutely spectacular vistas and backgrounds, and really love-able characters. |
| "Evidently... There's no such thing as 'meaning' in this world. But that in itself is wonderful... isn't it? Since if there isn't a set meaning, then you can just find one on your own." - Filicia Heideman, So Ra No Wo To |
| Those Akira vibes. |
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| Based on the images posted here, we can assume two things happen this coming episode. Less than 24 hours remain.. |
| "Evidently... There's no such thing as 'meaning' in this world. But that in itself is wonderful... isn't it? Since if there isn't a set meaning, then you can just find one on your own." - Filicia Heideman, So Ra No Wo To |
ollythirteen said: BRSxIgnition said: Dunno what happened with you Olly - you hated the show, then you started really liking it, then you went back to hating it. I have to say - the only think I'm disappointed at with KILL la KILL is the animation, which is directly tied to their budget as a new company. They make up for a good chunk of it with absolutely spectacular vistas and backgrounds, and really love-able characters. Let's divide all of anime into two for a second; one side is the technical, the other the narrative side. I have always raved about this show's technical side, bad animation, purposefully re-used shots and all. If the two sides of a show being put together equated to ten My Anime List points then that would put my score of this show at a 5/10 pre-second half. An "average". Neither hate nor love. Enter the show's "second half". With the episodes I've watched so far being awesome, they've gained the show 1 point. If the show were to maintain that momentum right up until the end (it just might) then my final score of the show would be a 7/10. A "good". A "Like" basically. Not "love", admittedly but far from "hate". My recent comments so far have been towards what I feel is an overestimation of the writer's abilities. I feel a lot of people are overestimating the guy's ability to (1.) tell a serious story and (2.) put hidden meanings within it. His style has remained the same from TTGL to Oh Edo Rocket: hyper For me watching his work is like watching a kid play with toys - the kid is having a blast and at first you find it mildly amusing but after a while your mind will wander off in search of something more... intellectually engaging. Anyway, still high off of episode 19. And still not gonna criticize this show (I think it won't be giving me anything to criticize) directly or indirectly. But what I'll probably feel for it by its conclusion will probably be an emotion far from hate. Hahaha! You're jokes dude! You basically explained why you have a terrible understanding of the anime. Don't worry. Stick to your "intellectual" "2deep4u", "I pretend I know what's going on but really have no idea what genre I'm even watching" anime, and the fans will stick to theirs ;) If you want some "intellectually engaging" anime, try Boku no Pico. I hear it really dives into topics like the nature of humanity and stuff. |
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ollythirteen said: RedRoseFring said: ollythirteen said: BRSxIgnition said: Dunno what happened with you Olly - you hated the show, then you started really liking it, then you went back to hating it. I have to say - the only think I'm disappointed at with KILL la KILL is the animation, which is directly tied to their budget as a new company. They make up for a good chunk of it with absolutely spectacular vistas and backgrounds, and really love-able characters. Let's divide all of anime into two for a second; one side is the technical, the other the narrative side. I have always raved about this show's technical side, bad animation, purposefully re-used shots and all. If the two sides of a show being put together equated to ten My Anime List points then that would put my score of this show at a 5/10 pre-second half. An "average". Neither hate nor love. Enter the show's "second half". With the episodes I've watched so far being awesome, they've gained the show 1 point. If the show were to maintain that momentum right up until the end (it just might) then my final score of the show would be a 7/10. A "good". A "Like" basically. Not "love", admittedly but far from "hate". My recent comments so far have been towards what I feel is an overestimation of the writer's abilities. I feel a lot of people are overestimating the guy's ability to (1.) tell a serious story and (2.) put hidden meanings within it. His style has remained the same from TTGL to Oh Edo Rocket: hyper For me watching his work is like watching a kid play with toys - the kid is having a blast and at first you find it mildly amusing but after a while your mind will wander off in search of something more... intellectually engaging. Anyway, still high off of episode 19. And still not gonna criticize this show (I think it won't be giving me anything to criticize) directly or indirectly. But what I'll probably feel for it by its conclusion will probably be an emotion far from hate. Hahaha! You're jokes dude! You basically explained why you have a terrible understanding of the anime. Don't worry. Stick to your "intellectual" "2deep4u", "I pretend I know what's going on but really have no idea what genre I'm even watching" anime, and the fans will stick to theirs ;) If you want some "intellectually engaging" anime, try Boku no Pico. I hear it really dives into topics like the nature of humanity and stuff. Wait wait wait, you just said I have a terrible understanding of the anime while accusing me of having a too deep for you attitude?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Wow, dude... But wait! Plot twist: I never said you had a too deep for you attitude, but that you should stick to "2deep4u" anime. The Kill la Kill forum throws yet another plot twist at us! People's jaws drop in awe of the shock! But seriously though, if you have no idea that you're watching a comedy anime, then you might as well go back to elitist school. |
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Aha! So anyone who calls someone else an elitist is also an elitist! Because one is obviously restricting their good graces to only, how did you put it? "intellectually engaging" anime, while the other recognizes that anime is not limited to so paltry a category. And of course, putting words in my mouth. "You said since it has comedy, it can't have any other genres. It can't have funny stuff and serious stuff too!" Oh young padawan! You have learned so much but know so little! |
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ollythirteen said: RedRoseFring said: Aha! So anyone who calls someone else an elitist is also an elitist! Because one is obviously restricting their good graces to only, how did you put it? "intellectually engaging" anime, while the other recognizes that anime is not limited to so paltry a category. And of course, putting words in my mouth. "You said since it has comedy, it can't have any other genres. It can't have funny stuff and serious stuff too!" Oh young padawan! You have learned so much but know so little! Er, what? Your behavior is elitist since you imply that I don't get the show, hence your seeming to stand over plebian widdle ol me in an elitist fashion poo poo poo... Furthermore, there are people who feel there is MORE to this show than comedy, fan-service and action. In reply to them I have stated why I don't think there IS. It's lead to a misunderstanding I was trying to clear up when you showed up and accused me of something you yourself are guilty of! Wow gee golly! I guess my choice of words rubbed you the wrong way but I'm not sure anyone else would consider a scene in which a girl's skirt is being flipped as she's being whipped on the ass by a guy in an S&M suit to be an "intellectually engaging" one. "Kid playing with toys"... Except (Plot twist again): I am implying everyone BUT you understands that the anime has a comedy factor. The elitist conclusion was drawn because it is part of the elitist mantra that comedy cannot coincide with "seriousness", which is the idea you have subscribed to in your comments. And surprise surprise, there IS more to the show than the comedy aspect. There is the (brace yourself), emotional aspect as well as the situational aspect too. Behold a lesson for thee my elitist friend!: An anime entails much more than simply a technical and narrative side! The lesson 2: a comedy anime can have much more than the comedy itself. Shocking, I know, but now you have been freed from the elitist snare! |
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ollythirteen said: RedRoseFring said: ollythirteen said: RedRoseFring said: Aha! So anyone who calls someone else an elitist is also an elitist! Because one is obviously restricting their good graces to only, how did you put it? "intellectually engaging" anime, while the other recognizes that anime is not limited to so paltry a category. And of course, putting words in my mouth. "You said since it has comedy, it can't have any other genres. It can't have funny stuff and serious stuff too!" Oh young padawan! You have learned so much but know so little! Er, what? Your behavior is elitist since you imply that I don't get the show, hence your seeming to stand over plebian widdle ol me in an elitist fashion poo poo poo... Furthermore, there are people who feel there is MORE to this show than comedy, fan-service and action. In reply to them I have stated why I don't think there IS. It's lead to a misunderstanding I was trying to clear up when you showed up and accused me of something you yourself are guilty of! Wow gee golly! I guess my choice of words rubbed you the wrong way but I'm not sure anyone else would consider a scene in which a girl's skirt is being flipped as she's being whipped on the ass by a guy in an S&M suit to be an "intellectually engaging" one. "Kid playing with toys"... Except (Plot twist again): I am implying everyone BUT you understands that the anime has a comedy factor. The elitist conclusion was drawn because it is part of the elitist mantra that comedy cannot coincide with "seriousness", which is the idea you have subscribed to in your comments. And surprise surprise, there IS more to the show than the comedy aspect. There is the (brace yourself), emotional aspect as well as the situational aspect too. Behold a lesson for thee my elitist friend!: An anime entails much more than simply a technical and narrative side! The lesson 2: a comedy anime can have much more than the comedy itself. Shocking, I know, but now you have been freed from the elitist snare! Um last time I checked humour is a part of a narrative. Narrative is the umbrella term I used for the story aspect since part of the process of making anime involves animating (technical) a narrative (story that has comedy, action , fan-service, symbolism, themes and other things that can be lumped under that category). But yeah you already knew that since you're so smart and all. Au contraire my friend! It is because YOU are so smart. Only "intellectually engaging" anime could please you, while the common and apparently "dumb" anime could please a plebeian like me and the others who apparently love this show. In the end, it is your choice on what you like or dislike, but at least I have made an attempt to get you to widen your horizons. It is up to you to see if "non-intellectually engaging" anime like KlK could ever transcend that oh so elusive boundary of what is entertaining or not! |
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ollythirteen said: Calls to mind things like Ghost in the Shell, Ergo Proxy and Haibane Renmei. In other words boring stuff. Blasphemy. All three are excellent. Not participating in this long winded debate, just pulling your leg haha. |
| Powerful eyebrows. |
| When Satsuki's mom was spanking that ass, that was pretty molesty. |
| Why don't you two just get it over with and kiss |
| Pretty awesome episode... as I thought this one would be. That's pretty freakin' epic that the Elite Four joined Nudist Beach, I never even considered that a possibility. Also wasn't expecting Ryuko to deny Senketsu like that... but it makes a lot of sense and to be honest I hope she doesn't wear him anymore; only because that would make her all the more badass if she beats Ragyo like that. And seriously what's up with Mako's mom? Lol. I normally hate using this term, but what a fuckin' MILF. :O Well w/e, I'm sure it would be pretty damned distracting to have a glowing penis right next to your head... but it looked like she was about to go further if Matarou hadn't shown up. Not sure if Satsuki suddenly got black toenail or if that's some kind of hidden blade. Anyway, most important part of this episode imo: my ship of Mako and Gamgoori is officially setting sail. Oh, and @ollythirteen I was tempted to comment on you guys' argument, but instead the only thing I want to say is that's pretty damned impressive that you typed all of that on a Blackberry. I've never had one of those high-tech smart phones, but I'd imagine that's still pretty difficult. |
ollythirteen said: @ RedroseFring, Yeaah, I knew it. It was the choice of words that got your goat. "Intellectually engaging". The word is big and scary, isn't it? Calls to mind things like Ghost in the Shell, Ergo Proxy and Haibane Renmei. In other words boring stuff. Except it could also mean anything that inspires some thought. Kinda like Golden Time's last episode or even Sekai Seifuku's one. They're both heavy on comedy too you see. They have their serious moments and even emotional ones but they're mostly comedy. Going back to that scene where Ryuuko is literally getting her ass whooped did it inspire thought in you. Did you go "Hmm, this is interesting because X..."? You're just being overly defensive is all. And projecting too. Because my comments were in reply to why I wasn't hating the show but the show's writer and his writing style which I likened to watching a child play with toys...it's fun but after a while your mind wanders in search of something that inspires a little more thought. How's that then? Better? You don't feel dumb anymore or like I'm putting myself on a pretty tall horse? What a difference a better choice of words makes, huh? I'm risking carpel tunnel syndrome tap tap tapping on my blackberry in reply to your out of context posts (humour is part of a narrative, dude). So yeah this was...weird. Haha! It's big and scary all right. Also, part of this comes from how you define "intellectually engaging." And of course you'd be right if Ryuko getting beat up was the only thing to ever happen in the anime, but if you took off your elitist glasses you'd discover (surprise, surprise!) it's not! To say that it is not intellectually stimulating would be to imply that it didn't inspire a single thought which would just show that your brain was turned off while other people's brains stayed on. That would imply that you were able to connect all the events that transpired at episode one and didn't have to apply any of your oh so impressive intellect to piece them all together. Or that you knew the true nature of all the mysteries in the show (since you're so smart and all). But wait! Going through the forums reveal that you did not in fact know everything before their reveals and you did not piece together the relevance of all the events and their effects on the whole narrative. ^Now that suggests that you are either stupid like the rest of us, or you were just blowing BS elitist garbage. Either way, it don't look to good for ya image :/ |
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