symbv said: Billed by whom? If it is not billed by KyoAni, I could only doubt the legitimacy of it. I am sure even the official distributors in the west could have got it wrong. As I said, the expectation in Japan is at most a serious fantasy, never a DARK fantasy. I honestly couldn't tell you, probably ANN. Like I said I've literally only ever heard it referred to as such and even I found it a weird claim at first cause it didn't particularly give me that vibe either, only that it would be by and large more serious in tone than any work they've done since FMP: Second Raid. Ultimately I still think it's beside the point. Even if we take the show as a comedy or whatever you feel it should be labelled as I still think there's plenty of room for criticism and the assertation that the show is lazy with the script and falling back on tired tropes and setups we've seen from other Kyoani anime. It doesn't help that they're pumping out like a show a season now and pretty well all of them feel very similar in content, characterization (and lack thereof) and like what we're watching is just a re-skin of the same old material. It really doesn't help the shows case that it's failed so completely at developing and distinguishing it's cast members, which I think really would have helped it's cause with some people a lot. You seem to think that's an unreasonable expectation though. I think I said it before in another thread, but YOUR standard of how much coherence and character development is the bare minimum for a show to be tolerable could be different from many of other watchers. Have you ever considered the fact that your standard may not be what is used by other people? I feel like you forgot to make a point somewhere in here. You seem to believe in the absolute righteousness of your position and love pointing out the obvious that opinions differ, but again what exactly is your point here beyond that? Nothing you ever say ever feels definitive or like your making a particularly important point. It's always "yes but" and "well if you look at it this way", but what if I don't want to. What if I just want the production team to damn well put in the basic minimum effort it'd take to meet my basic standards just once. Like you'd almost think Kyoani would have done it by accident at some point over the past 5 years and the fact they haven't where even companies that I normally find make rubbish far worse than Kyoani's general output like Satelight are making things work fantastically with the likes of their White Album 2 adaptation this season. At this point I'm almost thinking Kyoani has a commitment to never doing the basic things all other companies seem perfect capable of managing at some point. It's honestly one of the most curious things I've ever seen within this hobby, like how is any company this bad at basic things like character development and coherent plotting yet so good at animating things like water without trying to be? Anyway I'm digressing a bit, but that's kind of what happens when someone makes a posts like you just did that I can't think of any proper way to respond to. symbv said: Kaioshin_Sama said: At least I don't see you have much clue about what constitute the consumers who buy KyoAni shows. There are few super-loyal KyoAni fanboys who are always to the rescue, and most people just judge every show by how much it appeals to them. What seems apparent is that compared to you shows are clearly judged a bit differently by other fans (particularly those who spend money). But the fact is for this show KnK, it is not even successful at getting anime fans to open their wallets, so I don't even see why you are so worked up.Yes symbv, it's clearly just all my fault and I have no idea what I'm looking at when watching anime and just need to learn to lower my base standards, adjust my expectations, and also nobody buys Blu-Rays for Kyoani shows. I'm not sure how I could have been this stupid, clearly I really need to take a cold hard look at myself cause I just have no clue here right? :( The seasons still only half over and there's still 7 weeks to go till the first disc is on sale so there's no way in hell I'm giving up on theory of a "miraculous" reversal of fortune over the course of the next couple of months. I'll believe it's going to be a mediocre seller only when I see the numbers recorded and reported officially. tsudecimo said: Perhaps people with those said critical minds should use them to watch something they know they are gonna enjoy and if the current anime industry is truly shit in their superior intellectual minds, then they should search and watch older series, there is enough of those to last a life time. I do watch old anime quite often, for example right now I'm following a classic from 1982 called Fang of The Sun Dougram which I'm finding immensely enjoyable and something I'm able to sink my teeth into and be engrossed in every single time. Really glad it's also 85 episodes so it'll last a while too. It's kind of the antithesis of a Kyoukai no Kanata in a way because while the animation is extremely rough (even by the standards of it's time) and things go off model a lot the cast is not only larger and more diverse, but far more realized and complex and in less episodes to boot since I'm currently only 4 in still and I have a hunch is only going to continue to get more so. I don't think the current anime industry is completely shit either, just there's a lot that I can't help but question about it at the same time. Most of it has to do with just exactly how the powers that be let it get to this point where it now has to rely almost entirely on a very specific niche group with what appear to be increasingly narrower and narrower interests and tolerances in order to sustain itself. I have my own theories as to how it essentially pigeonholed itself into near oblivion, but yeah it's kind of painful to see sometimes when it gets really obvious in Summer and Winter seasons for example. |
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tsudecimo said: It seems to me that I'm one of the few people that didn't expect a ''dark'' fantasy. I don't check trailers of anything ever, since that's the first step to having a disappointment. I expected a slice of life with fantasy elements from KnK ( with Kyo ani reused humor and ''moe'') and I pretty much got that. Same here, and I noticed plenty of western fans who did not expect a dark fantasy. Then again, I don't really tend to discuss anime on MAL that much(I mostly lurk the news board). Maybe the places I do visit do discuss anime just tend to be a bit more knowledgeable than your average MAL'er in the anime forum. While I do understand the dislike for the series(its rather boring aside from the animation), I do not understand why people have to write out dozens of paragraphs on why they dislike the show or arguing about it. That is going a bit to far. I just have to remind myself that this is the internet, and that some people don't like it when somebody else dares to enjoy something. |
rederoinNov 13, 2013 7:00 PM
Kaioshin_Sama said: Well, I have no problem with what you want to criticize here. I may disagree to various extent but a lot could be due to different standards or preference. On the other hand, I don't think expecting KnK as a DARK fantasy belongs to the same category. If you drew the wrong expectation from the pre-show material then don't complain about it when the show turned out different from it. Even if we take the show as a comedy or whatever you feel it should be labelled as I still think there's plenty of room for criticism and the assertation that the show is lazy with the script and falling back on tired tropes and setups we've seen from other Kyoani anime. It doesn't help that they're pumping out like a show a season now and pretty well all of them feel very similar in content, characterization (and lack thereof) and like what we're watching is just a re-skin of the same old material. It really doesn't help the shows case that it's failed so completely at developing and distinguishing it's cast members, which I think really would have helped it's cause with some people a lot. You seem to think that's an unreasonable expectation though. Kaioshin_Sama said: Then you actually sound a lot more absolute than me, because you seem to deem those "minimum effort" "basic standards" as something absolute and so anything that does not meet YOUR ABSOLUTE standard should also be treated as subpar and not worthy. At least I believe in people can hold different standards about a show, and if they put more stress on the character appeal or sakuga, instead of story consistency or complex plot, I would say: Why not? And in this matter, you sound a lot more absolute and self-righteous about your "standard" than me, or a lot of people around here. I feel like you forgot to make a point somewhere in here. You seem to believe in the absolute righteousness of your position and love pointing out the obvious that opinions differ, but again what exactly is your point here beyond that? Nothing you ever say ever feels definitive or like your making a particularly important point. It's always "yes but" and "well if you look at it this way", but what if I don't want to. What if I just want the production team to damn well put in the basic minimum effort it'd take to meet my basic standards just once. Like you'd almost think Kyoani would have done it by accident at some point over the past 5 years and the fact they haven't where even companies that I normally find make rubbish far worse than Kyoani's general output like Satelight are making things work fantastically with the likes of their White Album 2 adaptation this season. Kaioshin_Sama said: As if losing your BET (need to be capitalized as you have stressed how you were sure it would happen) that KnK v1 will climb and climb and stay high is not enough. Or perhaps you just dump it in memory dustbin like you've done in the past after people told you why there is no such thing as super-loyal KyoAni fanboy to buy KyoAni show no matter what.The seasons still only half over and there's still 7 weeks to go till the first disc is on sale so there's no way in hell I'm giving up on theory of a "miraculous" reversal of fortune over the course of the next couple of months. I'll believe it's going to be a mediocre seller only when I see the numbers recorded and reported officially. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Kaioshin_Sama said: As if losing your BET (need to be capitalized as you have stressed how you were sure it would happen) that KnK v1 will climb and climb and stay high is not enough. Or perhaps you just dump it in memory dustbin like you've done in the past after people told you why there is no such thing as super-loyal KyoAni fanboy to buy KyoAni show no matter what. For the sake of clarity my bet is that Kyokai no Kanata will exceed your 3,000-5,000 (mediocre numbers right?) prediction since you seem to claim it's all but impossible now and would require an unprecedented surge in preorders. I definitely don't believe it will become the top seller of the season anymore now though. |
Kaioshin_Sama said: Nyaa, you are conveniently forgetting what BET you were so sure to put back then.For the sake of clarity my bet is that Kyokai no Kanata will exceed your 3,000-5,000 (mediocre numbers right?) prediction since you seem to claim it's all but impossible now and would require an unprecedented surge in preorders. I definitely don't believe it will become the top seller of the season anymore now though. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=685955&show=160#msg26250481 I said "So it just proves that studio other than KyoAni could achieve a strong boost with a "pandering" episode." wen I referred to Gargantia, and then you said "Yeah well unlike that show I bet this show stays this way.", so you were talking about KnK staying high in the ranking after a "turnaround" episode boost, NOT about the final average sales of the show. I said back then I'd remember your bet, and remember I did. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: Kaioshin_Sama said: Nyaa, you are conveniently forgetting what BET you were so sure to put back then.For the sake of clarity my bet is that Kyokai no Kanata will exceed your 3,000-5,000 (mediocre numbers right?) prediction since you seem to claim it's all but impossible now and would require an unprecedented surge in preorders. I definitely don't believe it will become the top seller of the season anymore now though. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=685955&show=160#msg26250481 I said "So it just proves that studio other than KyoAni could achieve a strong boost with a "pandering" episode." wen I referred to Gargantia, and then you said "Yeah well unlike that show I bet this show stays this way.", so you were talking about KnK staying high in the ranking after a "turnaround" episode boost, NOT about the final average sales of the show. I said back then I'd remember your bet, and remember I did. You do realize the show is back in the too 100 anime right. Higher than even last weeks rank |
Kaioshin_Sama said: Your 100 anime list doesn't mean anything special and that's why no one cares about it. Hell, even staying in overall top100 isn't that much as proved by last weeks of GJ-bu.You do realize the show is back in the too 100 anime right. Higher than even last weeks rank Also, while we are at your predictions, I remember you saying KnK can still be best seller of Fall. I'm looking forward to see it getting much over 10k absolutely necessary to beat IS2 and Kuroko2. KnK will probably end up in the lower parts of top10. |
Kaioshin_Sama said: And you do realize why, right? You were in the BD/DVD sales thread just now and you know about the event ticket, no? Besides you said this show will STAY THIS WAY, but it did not. It fell to beyond 500 (actually lower than 800) and only came back with a new episode boost combined with (more importantly) the event ticket.You do realize the show is back in the too 100 anime right. Higher than even last weeks rank You have lost your bet, and you only make yourself look bad by first conveniently forgetting what you said you were betting on and said you were betting on something else, and then claiming you are still not proven wrong with your bet, defying the facts on the ground. |
symbvNov 14, 2013 12:01 PM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Someone says the word "bet" and someone takes it as a literal bet. My fucking sides man. |
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ihateeveryone said: If it is a literal bet, there would be something both sides agree to bet on. As there is no such thing agreed, clearly it was not understood as a literal bet. How hard is it to understand that??Someone says the word "bet" and someone takes it as a literal bet. My fucking sides man. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| I read some of the discussions on the earlier pages and regarding "Dark Fantasy"- I actually got the idea from the synopsis here on MAL. This is the very reason I started watching the anime... welp, I've learned my lesson. |
| Releasing date for ep.2 will be December 2, 2013. |
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