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Apr 26, 2013 12:53 PM
#51
Litrydow said: the aliens thing was a jokeZetsuen no Tempest's villain. Aliens, maybe? Nobody knows for sure. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Apr 26, 2013 12:57 PM
#52
Apr 26, 2013 12:58 PM
#53
yhunata said: lupadim said: Oh plus Yagami Light is not a good villain: He is an weak-willed character with an OP power Light is weak willed. You never stop spouting bullshit, do you? An OP power, yes. Weak-willed, hell no. Yes, he is weak-willed. He is so weak willed that hes power made him become crazy. After episode one, after hes first kill, is was clear that Light was totally mad and that went to the end of the anime. There first step for being a powerful character is facing the fact you have an capability, but Light failed at this damn basic step and went crazy. natssuu said: lupadim said: Oh plus Yagami Light is not a good villain: He is an weak-willed character with an OP power Not at all. I can see where you're coming from, but Light has truly strong will which was shown when he tried to capture Higuchi with L as he didn't have any memories of Death Note. That shows how much power can change a person whether they're weak-willed or firm Yes, when he has no power he is strong-willed, but without powers he is nothing. |
Apr 26, 2013 1:03 PM
#54
VictorVonDoom said: If we're talking JoJo, then my vote goes to this Kira:I guess Dio Brando would be mine. I think all the anime count as shounen. |
Apr 26, 2013 1:04 PM
#55
Litrydow said: because its set up as one with aliens being the punchline and every time its brought up every single character either facepalms or sighs.DJIzzyIzzyHitler said: Litrydow said: the aliens thing was a jokeZetsuen no Tempest's villain. Aliens, maybe? Nobody knows for sure. How are you so sure of that? How people couldnt tell it was a joke is baffleing, especially considering the dumbest character in the entire show was the one who brought it up and also pulled it out of her ass |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Apr 26, 2013 1:04 PM
#56
lupadim said: Oda made him in such a way he is weak. -> When he falls, he can't get up -> Hes powers can't reach who is above the ground -> He receives double the pain, and when he received a punch he started almost crying You really think he is THE BEST VILLAIN OF ALL THE SHOUNEN SERIES THAT EXIST with all those reasons? I feel like repeating my answer because you either didn't read or didn't focus on it: You are selling his villain qualities too short... a guy who has endured an earthquake by Whitebeard and a massive fist with shock wave from Sengoku in his stomach, while remaining more or less unharmed, deserves some credit. His power is quite tricky, but the fact is it acts against one of the elemental advantages of One Piece (Devil Fruits), which gives it a very relevant position in the power scale. Add to this that his post-war acts have been very impressive from what we've been told. And... When do you recall him being "almost crying"? Because from what I remember he has: fought and assumingly won against Ace, endured massive hits from Whitebeard and Sengoku... the only time I've seen him defeated is when Magellan came with his epic form... and that was poison. Anybody who ever touched it would eventually die. He receives double pain? Where did you get that? He just happens to be a special type of Logia whose body doesn't fully transform and is still able to get damage. And saying he has zero battle experience... pff, okay goodbye. He's been way longer than Luffy at the sea, he was part of the Whitebeard crew for a long while, and from what we got he is now considered a Yonkou... so it happens that he's been quite active at the New World. Just in case you people are tempted to open the spoiler, this is another One Piece discussion. |
Apr 26, 2013 1:05 PM
#57
lupadim said: natssuu said: lupadim said: Oh plus Yagami Light is not a good villain: He is an weak-willed character with an OP power Not at all. I can see where you're coming from, but Light has truly strong will which was shown when he tried to capture Higuchi with L as he didn't have any memories of Death Note. That shows how much power can change a person whether they're weak-willed or firm Yes, when he has no power he is strong-willed, but without powers he is nothing. You don't understand, the mightier power you possess the bigger influence it would have in you, by your reasoning Light ain't weak-willed. |
Apr 26, 2013 1:07 PM
#58
Chrollo Lucilfer from HxH. I guess. But I gotta say Makoto Shishio from Rurouni Kenshin it is in my favorites too. |
Apr 26, 2013 1:08 PM
#59
jal90 said: lupadim said: Oda made him in such a way he is weak. -> When he falls, he can't get up -> Hes powers can't reach who is above the ground -> He receives double the pain, and when he received a punch he started almost crying You really think he is THE BEST VILLAIN OF ALL THE SHOUNEN SERIES THAT EXIST with all those reasons? I feel like repeating my answer because you either didn't read or didn't focus on it: You are selling his villain qualities too short... a guy who has endured an earthquake by Whitebeard and a massive fist with shock wave from Sengoku in his stomach, while remaining more or less unharmed, deserves some credit. His power is quite tricky, but the fact is it acts against one of the elemental advantages of One Piece (Devil Fruits), which gives it a very relevant position in the power scale. Add to this that his post-war acts have been very impressive from what we've been told. And... When do you recall him being "almost crying"? Because from what I remember he has: fought and assumingly won against Ace, endured massive hits from Whitebeard and Sengoku... the only time I've seen him defeated is when Magellan came with his epic form... and that was poison. Anybody who ever touched it would eventually die. He receives double pain? Where did you get that? He just happens to be a special type of Logia whose body doesn't fully transform and is still able to get damage. And saying he has zero battle experience... pff, okay goodbye. He's been way longer than Luffy at the sea, he was part of the Whitebeard crew for a long while, and from what we got he is now considered a Yonkou... so it happens that he's been quite active at the New World. Just in case you people are tempted to open the spoiler, this is another One Piece discussion. Actually, it was said that he receives twice amount of pain because he is the black hole so to speak(absorbs everything).. but the fact that he can get back onto his feet in a matter of seconds just proves all-the-more how powerful he really is |
sexual incest in nisomonogatari - no one bats an eye romance incest in SAO - everyone loses their minds |
Apr 26, 2013 1:10 PM
#60
jal90 said: When do you recall him being "almost crying"? Because from what I remember he has: fought and assumingly won against Ace, endured massive hits from Whitebeard and Sengoku... the only time I've seen him defeated is when Magellan came with his epic form... and that was poison. Anybody who ever touched it would eventually die. Ok, now I remember you. You are the guy that pretends to know all about One Piece but knows nothing. -> Luffy punched him at the face, he got all scared, went to the wall with tears in hes eyes and someone I don't remember who hold Luffy (otherwise Luffy would kill him) -> He won against Ace but that was a plothole, Oda didn't showed the fight and didn't showed why he won. But Ace wasn't a big deal anyway and as I said OP power is not OP villain -> Massive hits from Whitebeard and Sengoku? From what I recall, he went suddenly in the middle of the war and killed Whitebeard with hes crew without an scratch. And Sengoku didn't attacked him. You must be watching Naruto where all is shitty and confusing. jol90 said: He receives double pain? Where did you get that? He just happens to be a special type of Logia whose body doesn't fully transform and is still able to get damage. Not sure if trolling or stupid but. http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Marshall_D._Teach#Crews The damn wikipedia said: He has even taken an attack meant for them, despite his Devil's Fruit's weakness of increasing incoming damage Plus the fucking anime said he receives double damage, not only the wiki. Yes I am angry. |
Apr 26, 2013 1:11 PM
#61
Candor said: VictorVonDoom said: If we're talking JoJo, then my vote goes to this Kira:I guess Dio Brando would be mine. I think all the anime count as shounen. *sigh* I think I might have to start reading the manga. |
Apr 26, 2013 1:12 PM
#62
My favorite villain that when they get beat I punch the air in celebration? - Bryan Hawk - Hajime no Ippo Favorite as in the actual character themselves?- Meryem- Hunter x Hunter |
Apr 26, 2013 1:13 PM
#63
lupadim said: jal90 said: When do you recall him being "almost crying"? Because from what I remember he has: fought and assumingly won against Ace, endured massive hits from Whitebeard and Sengoku... the only time I've seen him defeated is when Magellan came with his epic form... and that was poison. Anybody who ever touched it would eventually die. Ok, now I remember you. You are the guy that pretends to know all about One Piece but knows nothing. -> Luffy punched him at the face, he got all scared, went to the wall with tears in hes eyes and someone I don't remember who hold Luffy (otherwise Luffy would kill him) -> He won against Ace but that was a plothole, Oda didn't showed the fight and didn't showed why he won. But Ace wasn't a big deal anyway and as I said OP power is not OP villain -> Massive hits from Whitebeard and Sengoku? From what I recall, he went suddenly in the middle of the war and killed Whitebeard with hes crew without an scratch. And Sengoku didn't attacked him. You must be watching Naruto where all is shitty and confusing. jol90 said: He receives double pain? Where did you get that? He just happens to be a special type of Logia whose body doesn't fully transform and is still able to get damage. Not sure if trolling or stupid but. http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Marshall_D._Teach#Crews The damn wikipedia said: He has even taken an attack meant for them, despite his Devil's Fruit's weakness of increasing incoming damage Plus the fucking anime said he receives double damage, not only the wiki. Yes I am angry. That's all just speculation, Luppy. none of that is facts |
sexual incest in nisomonogatari - no one bats an eye romance incest in SAO - everyone loses their minds |
Apr 26, 2013 1:14 PM
#64
Ghostony said: lupadim said: jal90 said: When do you recall him being "almost crying"? Because from what I remember he has: fought and assumingly won against Ace, endured massive hits from Whitebeard and Sengoku... the only time I've seen him defeated is when Magellan came with his epic form... and that was poison. Anybody who ever touched it would eventually die. Ok, now I remember you. You are the guy that pretends to know all about One Piece but knows nothing. -> Luffy punched him at the face, he got all scared, went to the wall with tears in hes eyes and someone I don't remember who hold Luffy (otherwise Luffy would kill him) -> He won against Ace but that was a plothole, Oda didn't showed the fight and didn't showed why he won. But Ace wasn't a big deal anyway and as I said OP power is not OP villain -> Massive hits from Whitebeard and Sengoku? From what I recall, he went suddenly in the middle of the war and killed Whitebeard with hes crew without an scratch. And Sengoku didn't attacked him. You must be watching Naruto where all is shitty and confusing. jol90 said: He receives double pain? Where did you get that? He just happens to be a special type of Logia whose body doesn't fully transform and is still able to get damage. Not sure if trolling or stupid but. http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Marshall_D._Teach#Crews The damn wikipedia said: He has even taken an attack meant for them, despite his Devil's Fruit's weakness of increasing incoming damage Plus the fucking anime said he receives double damage, not only the wiki. Yes I am angry. That's all just speculation, Luppy. none of that is facts What is speculation? |
Apr 26, 2013 1:20 PM
#65
lupadim said: Ghostony said: lupadim said: jal90 said: When do you recall him being "almost crying"? Because from what I remember he has: fought and assumingly won against Ace, endured massive hits from Whitebeard and Sengoku... the only time I've seen him defeated is when Magellan came with his epic form... and that was poison. Anybody who ever touched it would eventually die. Ok, now I remember you. You are the guy that pretends to know all about One Piece but knows nothing. -> Luffy punched him at the face, he got all scared, went to the wall with tears in hes eyes and someone I don't remember who hold Luffy (otherwise Luffy would kill him) -> He won against Ace but that was a plothole, Oda didn't showed the fight and didn't showed why he won. But Ace wasn't a big deal anyway and as I said OP power is not OP villain -> Massive hits from Whitebeard and Sengoku? From what I recall, he went suddenly in the middle of the war and killed Whitebeard with hes crew without an scratch. And Sengoku didn't attacked him. You must be watching Naruto where all is shitty and confusing. jol90 said: He receives double pain? Where did you get that? He just happens to be a special type of Logia whose body doesn't fully transform and is still able to get damage. Not sure if trolling or stupid but. http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Marshall_D._Teach#Crews The damn wikipedia said: He has even taken an attack meant for them, despite his Devil's Fruit's weakness of increasing incoming damage Plus the fucking anime said he receives double damage, not only the wiki. Yes I am angry. That's all just speculation, Luppy. none of that is facts What is speculation? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=speculation There you go. |
The forums are dark, and full of ego. |
Apr 26, 2013 1:22 PM
#66
lupadim said: angry stuff Okay, I got one thing wrong (the double damage). About the rest... -"Oh, he was crying when Luffy hit him, I watched a very different anime where being hit automatically makes you a wimp or it is only conveniently brought when I hate the character" -"Oh, this is a plothole, this is not" -And on the other one I can't ever know because I'm following the anime and know about the existence of differences with the manga in Marineford. So maybe I'll be wrong. I accept corrections on this. I happen to know my stuff about One Piece, and I can be wrong or mess with some data like everybody else. Pff, fanboys... |
Apr 26, 2013 1:22 PM
#67
Why do people bother with this idiot? It's not even fun. At least it's hilarious to anti-troll Not_Biased and stanklem28. |
I'm also filled with pure-hearted ulterior motives. |
Apr 26, 2013 1:27 PM
#68
One Piece spoilers, proceed with caution: lupadim said: -> Luffy punched him at the face, he got all scared, went to the wall with tears in hes eyes and someone I don't remember who hold Luffy (otherwise Luffy would kill him) He was screaming, but he never cried for god's sake. I suggest you watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haVbjJO6xjE , skip to about 1:00 and then tell me if he was crying or not. Also, Luffy couldn't have killed Blackbeard. He was basically losing when Jimbei stopped him. lupadim said: -> He won against Ace but that was a plothole, Oda didn't showed the fight and didn't showed why he won. But Ace wasn't a big deal anyway and as I said OP power is not OP villain I'm pretty sure they showed most of the fight, and it was just assumed that BB's big ball o' darkness was more powerful than Ace's big ball o' fire. Also, Ace... wasn't... a... big... deal!? I'm not even starting on that one. lupadim said: -> Massive hits from Whitebeard and Sengoku? From what I recall, he went suddenly in the middle of the war and killed Whitebeard with hes crew without an scratch. And Sengoku didn't attacked him. You must be watching Naruto where all is shitty and confusing. Sengoku did attack him. So did Garp. BB was talking about how he was going to sink Marineford (after he killed Whitebeard) and Sengoku suddenly shock waved his ass. Then that big champion guy, Burgess I belive (or something similar, can't remember exactly), was about to attack Sengoku when Garp punched him in the face. Edit: Here, found a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEOp_b51TAM |
ArbitraryFateApr 26, 2013 2:40 PM
Apr 26, 2013 1:28 PM
#69
Yoshikage Kira. JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Part 4 : Serial Killer... Nuff said. Funny Valentine. JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Part 7: President... Nuff said. Most of All Char Aznable. Gundam 0079, Zeta, ZZ, Char's Counterattack. He was a little bit of good bad and something else. |
Apr 26, 2013 2:16 PM
#70
ArbitraryFate said: lupadim said: -> Luffy punched him at the face, he got all scared, went to the wall with tears in hes eyes and someone I don't remember who hold Luffy (otherwise Luffy would kill him) He was screaming, but he never cried for god's sake. I suggest you watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haVbjJO6xjE , skip to about 1:00 and then tell me if he was crying or not. Also, Luffy couldn't have killed Blackbeard. He was basically losing when Jimbei stopped him. lupadim said: -> He won against Ace but that was a plothole, Oda didn't showed the fight and didn't showed why he won. But Ace wasn't a big deal anyway and as I said OP power is not OP villain I'm pretty sure they showed most of the fight, and it was just assumed that BB's big ball o' darkness was more powerful than Ace's big ball o' fire. Also, Ace... wasn't... a... big... deal!? I'm not even starting on that one. lupadim said: -> Massive hits from Whitebeard and Sengoku? From what I recall, he went suddenly in the middle of the war and killed Whitebeard with hes crew without an scratch. And Sengoku didn't attacked him. You must be watching Naruto where all is shitty and confusing. Sengoku did attack him. So did Garp. BB was talking about how he was going to sink Marineford (after he killed Whitebeard) and Sengoku suddenly shock waved his ass. Then that big champion guy, Burgess I belive (or something similar, can't remember exactly), was about to attack Sengoku when Garp punched him in the face. Edit: Here, found a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEOp_b51TAM Spoil your shit please, this is not One Piece discussion board. Let's start: You said: He was screaming, but he never cried for god's sake He started screaming like a baby, it is even worse than crying in my opinion, but anyway. You said: Also, Luffy couldn't have killed Blackbeard. He was basically losing when Jimbei stopped him. Not really. You said: I'm pretty sure they showed most of the fight, and it was just assumed that BB's big ball o' darkness was more powerful than Ace's big ball o' fire. Also, Ace... wasn't... a... big... deal!? I'm not even starting on that one. Ace wasn't a big deal because BB is not a big deal, and if he was defeated by BB, sorry. The only aspect that made Ace be powerful is the fact that you need Haki to harm him. But using this concept anyone with logia would be "a big deal". And BB's ball of darkness was more powerful than Ace's one? Bullshit! Ace lost because hes ball was not powerful enough? Plothole or badly developed fight. |
Apr 26, 2013 2:18 PM
#71
Holybaptiser said: I agree, when people at leats argue with not_biased it usually derails into something really funny, with this guy we just get redundant arguments that take up pages of each thread he posts inWhy do people bother with this idiot? It's not even fun. At least it's hilarious to anti-troll Not_Biased and stanklem28. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Apr 26, 2013 2:29 PM
#72
^why do you say le like a...ughh nevermind also I'm surprised no one mentioned Tobi from Naruto yet because you let rin die xD |
Apr 26, 2013 2:32 PM
#73
renders said: ^why do you say le like a...ughh nevermind also I'm surprised no one mentioned Tobi from Naruto yet because you let rin die xD Obito is an archetype... He deserves 0 fucks. |
Apr 26, 2013 2:34 PM
#74
That villain from C, what was his name again? |
"Only one with the courage to shoulder the burden of their own fate can be called a hero.." |
Apr 26, 2013 2:37 PM
#75
le tobi isn't a good villain, maybe le Zabuza is good, but no one else from le naruto is good enough to deserve praise. (ok maybe le orochimaru before he got nerfed le fok out) |
End Zionazism |
Apr 26, 2013 2:38 PM
#76
lupadim said: Spoil your shit please, this is not One Piece discussion board. Sorry, fixed. lupadim said: You said: He was screaming, but he never cried for god's sake He started screaming like a baby, it is even worse than crying in my opinion, but anyway. Screaming out of pain and crying are two different things. lupadim said: You said: Also, Luffy couldn't have killed Blackbeard. He was basically losing when Jimbei stopped him. Not really. Let me make this clear for you. Blackbeard did win against Ace, therefore BB>Ace. I'm sure we can all agree that Ace, at that point in time, was stronger than Luffy for obvious reasons, and therefore Ace>Luffy. Going by that logic, BB>Luffy. I'm sorry, but Luffy didn't stand a chance, because what would Luffy be pre-timeskip without his Devil Fruit. Jimbei could have probably beaten BB (before he got WB's powers) though, because his powers aren't Devil Fruit related, and therefore couldn't have been sucked in by BB. I think the point is that they just didn't have time to get in an all-out fight with BB AND his crew. lupadim said: You said: I'm pretty sure they showed most of the fight, and it was just assumed that BB's big ball o' darkness was more powerful than Ace's big ball o' fire. Also, Ace... wasn't... a... big... deal!? I'm not even starting on that one. Ace wasn't a big deal because BB is not a big deal, and if he was defeated by BB, sorry. The only aspect that made Ace be powerful is the fact that you need Haki to harm him. But using this concept anyone with logia would be "a big deal". And BB's ball of darkness was more powerful than Ace's one? Bullshit! Ace lost because hes ball was not powerful enough? Plothole or badly developed fight. Ace was a "big deal", however I think we had a misunderstanding about what the definition of "big deal" is. I meant it in the way that, while not being the most powerful person in the series, he caused huge (and I mean huge) change in the series that vary from Sengoku retiring to Whitebeard being killed. In that sense, he is most certainly a "big deal". Also, Ace was plenty powerful. He was one of the most powerful people in WB's crew and battled pretty evenly, if only for a short while, with Aokiji. He also had Conqueror's Haki, and almost certainly the other two types. |
Apr 26, 2013 2:42 PM
#77
Mine has to be Naraku (Inuyasha) |
Apr 26, 2013 2:50 PM
#78
Apr 26, 2013 2:53 PM
#79
Litrydow said: dalc1995 said: Mine has to be Naraku (Inuyasha) But he's a faggot. All he does is fleeing the entire show. That's your point of view and I respect that. But I like him, just as villian, of course. |
Apr 26, 2013 2:58 PM
#80
Litrydow said: dalc1995 said: Mine has to be Naraku (Inuyasha) But he's a faggot. All he does is fleeing the entire show. thx for making me laugh sir |
Apr 26, 2013 2:59 PM
#81
^ why do you say le thanks like a....agh nvm |
End Zionazism |
Apr 26, 2013 3:18 PM
#82
Mikasa said: ^ why do you say le thanks like a....agh nvm You better be cool in the anime, seeing as how the characters start to shift from the manga, you're the only one that can save it.... |
The forums are dark, and full of ego. |
Apr 26, 2013 3:40 PM
#83
lupadim said: Nidalee said: Hey Black Beard is the worst villain ever. He receives double pain and hes power can be easily countered by flying. I can't believe he will be the final villain in One Piece also, there has to be someone that has not been revealed yet and that will fight Luffy at the end. But not him. I didn't say most powerful anyway, even though blackbeard is powerful. Blackbeards story was very well written, if you are basing your favorite villain on power levels then well.... |
Does anyone else need a doctor to confirm that someone without a head is dead? |
Apr 26, 2013 3:58 PM
#84
dalc1995 said: Litrydow said: dalc1995 said: Mine has to be Naraku (Inuyasha) But he's a faggot. All he does is fleeing the entire show. That's your point of view and I respect that. But I like him, just as villian, of course. Yup, Naraku was a great villain, I just hate how he lost all hes chances to kill Inuyasha and others, and he only tried hard to kill them at the end, when Inuyasha had OP powers. ArbitraryFate said: lupadim said: Spoil your shit please, this is not One Piece discussion board. Sorry, fixed. lupadim said: You said: He was screaming, but he never cried for god's sake He started screaming like a baby, it is even worse than crying in my opinion, but anyway. Screaming out of pain and crying are two different things. lupadim said: You said: Also, Luffy couldn't have killed Blackbeard. He was basically losing when Jimbei stopped him. Not really. Let me make this clear for you. Blackbeard did win against Ace, therefore BB>Ace. I'm sure we can all agree that Ace, at that point in time, was stronger than Luffy for obvious reasons, and therefore Ace>Luffy. Going by that logic, BB>Luffy. I'm sorry, but Luffy didn't stand a chance, because what would Luffy be pre-timeskip without his Devil Fruit. Jimbei could have probably beaten BB (before he got WB's powers) though, because his powers aren't Devil Fruit related, and therefore couldn't have been sucked in by BB. I think the point is that they just didn't have time to get in an all-out fight with BB AND his crew. lupadim said: You said: I'm pretty sure they showed most of the fight, and it was just assumed that BB's big ball o' darkness was more powerful than Ace's big ball o' fire. Also, Ace... wasn't... a... big... deal!? I'm not even starting on that one. Ace wasn't a big deal because BB is not a big deal, and if he was defeated by BB, sorry. The only aspect that made Ace be powerful is the fact that you need Haki to harm him. But using this concept anyone with logia would be "a big deal". And BB's ball of darkness was more powerful than Ace's one? Bullshit! Ace lost because hes ball was not powerful enough? Plothole or badly developed fight. Ace was a "big deal", however I think we had a misunderstanding about what the definition of "big deal" is. I meant it in the way that, while not being the most powerful person in the series, he caused huge (and I mean huge) change in the series that vary from Sengoku retiring to Whitebeard being killed. In that sense, he is most certainly a "big deal". Also, Ace was plenty powerful. He was one of the most powerful people in WB's crew and battled pretty evenly, if only for a short while, with Aokiji. He also had Conqueror's Haki, and almost certainly the other two types. Ok: You said: Screaming out of pain and crying are two different things. He screamed like a baby, you gotta admit that it was an weak shout. You said: Let me make this clear for you. Blackbeard did win against Ace, therefore BB>Ace. I'm sure we can all agree that Ace, at that point in time, was stronger than Luffy for obvious reasons, and therefore Ace>Luffy. Going by that logic, BB>Luffy. I'm sorry, but Luffy didn't stand a chance, because what would Luffy be pre-timeskip without his Devil Fruit. Jimbei could have probably beaten BB (before he got WB's powers) though, because his powers aren't Devil Fruit related, and therefore couldn't have been sucked in by BB. I think the point is that they just didn't have time to get in an all-out fight with BB AND his crew. No please just no. I could give you dozens of examples where X can beat Y, Y can beat C but X can't beat C. One Piece works like rock paper scissors: Your Akuma no Mi element will beat another Akuma no Mi. Example: Enel -> Strongest character in the series. Beaten by Luffy. Yes, Enel was the strongest, hes lightning attacks would go in the speed of light (impossible to dodge even with Haki because it will hit you before your eyes could see it) and would paralyze you. Means no one would stand a chance against him but luffy with hes fruit. Yes, BB would be a piece of cake for Enel, actually, Enel could blow up the whole Marineford and kill everyone that was inside it including Shanks and even Mihawk. Luffy would beat BB with another punch, because if he suffered that much from an Jet Pistol (the worse attack of Luffy), he would explode if he suffered an Jet gattling Gun or an Jet Bazooka. You said: Ace was a "big deal", however I think we had a misunderstanding about what the definition of "big deal" is. I meant it in the way that, while not being the most powerful person in the series, he caused huge (and I mean huge) change in the series that vary from Sengoku retiring to Whitebeard being killed. In that sense, he is most certainly a "big deal". Also, Ace was plenty powerful. He was one of the most powerful people in WB's crew and battled pretty evenly, if only for a short while, with Aokiji. He also had Conqueror's Haki, and almost certainly the other two types. He caused all that because he was an pirate of WB's crew. And WB's crew is not that strong: Marcos is one of the most OP characters in the series, ok, and thats all, all else = weak characters and an admiral can kill all of them (It actually bothers me how Marcos is immortal, I mean, without sea or kairouseki he is invulnerable to everything) And I don't remember when Ace had conqueror's Haki. If he had, things would have been way easier for him, why he didn't used? And hes fight against Aokiji wasn't a real fight... Because in a fight, one loses and other win. |
Apr 26, 2013 4:02 PM
#86
jimbob1141 said: lupadim said: Nidalee said: Hey Black Beard is the worst villain ever. He receives double pain and hes power can be easily countered by flying. I can't believe he will be the final villain in One Piece also, there has to be someone that has not been revealed yet and that will fight Luffy at the end. But not him. I didn't say most powerful anyway, even though blackbeard is powerful. Blackbeards story was very well written, if you are basing your favorite villain on power levels then well.... BB's story well written? Wtfff. He killed an guy, ran away, made an crew and is shooting at others now. You should check Naraku's history. He was an bandit and an mass murderer, he killed people like if they were garbage. One day, he was burned but he was still alive, about to dying. An "priest" saw him there and saved him. He fell in love for the young (she was a girl) priest, but he would never be able to move hes body again due to the damage he suffered. So, he offered hes body to all the demons there was near, and after possessing him, he earned the power of all the demons, and since them, he starts hunting an gem that will give him immortality, while trying to avoid the priest he fell in love due to he can't kill her |
Apr 26, 2013 4:03 PM
#87
Suzuhi_Harumiya said: One Piece: Magellan Akainu Smoker Bleach: Nnoitra Grimmjow To Aru Majutsu no Index(Not sure if it counts as shounen): Oriana Thompson Accelerator Lol Those are probably the only villains I actually like. Magellan, Smoker and Akainu, villains? WTF SIR. They are anti-MCs but not villains. It is like saying "L is my favorite villain". |
Apr 26, 2013 4:06 PM
#88
My mind blanked and I completely forgot Fullmetal Alchemist was a Shounen, that being said King Bradley is not only one of the best Shounen villians but one of the best villians period. He really is an underrated villain, not only does he have kick ass powers but his character is handled extremely well, especially in Brotherhood, everything from his personality to the choice of voice actor. |
ShrabsterApr 26, 2013 4:12 PM
Apr 26, 2013 4:07 PM
#89
No Griffith guys? okay i call it. |
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Apr 26, 2013 4:09 PM
#90
Suzuhi_Harumiya said: lupadim said: Suzuhi_Harumiya said: One Piece: Magellan Akainu Smoker Bleach: Nnoitra Grimmjow To Aru Majutsu no Index(Not sure if it counts as shounen): Oriana Thompson Accelerator Lol Those are probably the only villains I actually like. Magellan, Smoker and Akainu, villains? WTF SIR. They are anti-MCs but not villains. It is like saying "L is my favorite villain". I can understand how you argue Smoker...but honestly...Akainu???? Last I checked anti-MC is a villain. Lmao Anti-MC is not villain. In that way L would be the bad guy. Plus... Akainu is always fighting for the world's sake by killing the pirates, just because he killed you-know-who it doesn't mean he is bad. Remember you-know-who was a pirate that killed people. What I am trying to say is that he does not have bad intentions. Magellan controls a prison he is not evil. Plus Smoker, villain?.. |
Apr 26, 2013 4:12 PM
#91
Apr 26, 2013 4:15 PM
#92
Suzuhi_Harumiya said: lupadim said: Suzuhi_Harumiya said: lupadim said: Suzuhi_Harumiya said: One Piece: Magellan Akainu Smoker Bleach: Nnoitra Grimmjow To Aru Majutsu no Index(Not sure if it counts as shounen): Oriana Thompson Accelerator Lol Those are probably the only villains I actually like. Magellan, Smoker and Akainu, villains? WTF SIR. They are anti-MCs but not villains. It is like saying "L is my favorite villain". I can understand how you argue Smoker...but honestly...Akainu???? Last I checked anti-MC is a villain. Lmao Anti-MC is not villain. In that way L would be the bad guy. Plus... Akainu is always fighting for the world's sake by killing the pirates, just because he killed you-know-who it doesn't mean he is bad. Remember you-know-who was a pirate that killed people. What I am trying to say is that he does not have bad intentions. Magellan controls a prison he is not evil. Plus Smoker, villain?.. Quit trying to argue over what a villain is. : a character in a story or play who opposes the hero http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/villain Sorry but Luffy and hes crew is not the hero. Actually, pirates are the villains that go against the law, disturbing people. |
Apr 26, 2013 4:19 PM
#93
Shrabster said: bradley was so epic he made father look like the worst villain in the series in comparison.....oh wait father already was that in general, still bradley is fucking awesomeMy mind blanked and I completely forgot Fullmetal Alchemist was a Shounen, that being said King Bradley is not only one of the best Shounen villians but one of the best villians period. He really is an underrated villain, not only does he have kick ass powers but his character is handled extremely well, especially in Brotherhood, everything from his personality to the choice of voice actor. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Apr 26, 2013 4:21 PM
#94
Yes i would second Bradley, he was BA. |
The forums are dark, and full of ego. |
Apr 26, 2013 4:24 PM
#95
lupadim said: Suzuhi_Harumiya said: lupadim said: Suzuhi_Harumiya said: lupadim said: Suzuhi_Harumiya said: One Piece: Magellan Akainu Smoker Bleach: Nnoitra Grimmjow To Aru Majutsu no Index(Not sure if it counts as shounen): Oriana Thompson Accelerator Lol Those are probably the only villains I actually like. Magellan, Smoker and Akainu, villains? WTF SIR. They are anti-MCs but not villains. It is like saying "L is my favorite villain". I can understand how you argue Smoker...but honestly...Akainu???? Last I checked anti-MC is a villain. Lmao Anti-MC is not villain. In that way L would be the bad guy. Plus... Akainu is always fighting for the world's sake by killing the pirates, just because he killed you-know-who it doesn't mean he is bad. Remember you-know-who was a pirate that killed people. What I am trying to say is that he does not have bad intentions. Magellan controls a prison he is not evil. Plus Smoker, villain?.. Quit trying to argue over what a villain is. : a character in a story or play who opposes the hero http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/villain Sorry but Luffy and hes crew is not the hero. Actually, pirates are the villains that go against the law, disturbing people. Luffy is the MC of One Piece, therefore anybody who is against him is considered a 'villian' regardless of their position in the anime (in this case, the marines). A hero doesn't necessarily mean a law abiding person and Luffy is arguably a hero for saving Nami and Robin. |
Apr 26, 2013 4:24 PM
#96
lupadim said: Suzuhi_Harumiya said: lupadim said: Suzuhi_Harumiya said: lupadim said: Suzuhi_Harumiya said: One Piece: Magellan Akainu Smoker Bleach: Nnoitra Grimmjow To Aru Majutsu no Index(Not sure if it counts as shounen): Oriana Thompson Accelerator Lol Those are probably the only villains I actually like. Magellan, Smoker and Akainu, villains? WTF SIR. They are anti-MCs but not villains. It is like saying "L is my favorite villain". I can understand how you argue Smoker...but honestly...Akainu???? Last I checked anti-MC is a villain. Lmao Anti-MC is not villain. In that way L would be the bad guy. Plus... Akainu is always fighting for the world's sake by killing the pirates, just because he killed you-know-who it doesn't mean he is bad. Remember you-know-who was a pirate that killed people. What I am trying to say is that he does not have bad intentions. Magellan controls a prison he is not evil. Plus Smoker, villain?.. Quit trying to argue over what a villain is. : a character in a story or play who opposes the hero http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/villain Sorry but Luffy and hes crew is not the hero. Actually, pirates are the villains that go against the law, disturbing people. Who are the heroes? The World Government? I'm sure they killed many people because they feared the knowledge they had, not because they were actually dangerous to the population. |
Apr 26, 2013 4:29 PM
#97
lupadim said: You said: Screaming out of pain and crying are two different things. He screamed like a baby, you gotta admit that it was an weak shout. He did scream, but almost right after he got up and owned Luffy. I'm not saying he's a badass character, far from it, but he still didn't cry and I wouldn't exactly characterize it as "screaming like a baby". lupadim said: You said: Let me make this clear for you. Blackbeard did win against Ace, therefore BB>Ace. I'm sure we can all agree that Ace, at that point in time, was stronger than Luffy for obvious reasons, and therefore Ace>Luffy. Going by that logic, BB>Luffy. I'm sorry, but Luffy didn't stand a chance, because what would Luffy be pre-timeskip without his Devil Fruit. Jimbei could have probably beaten BB (before he got WB's powers) though, because his powers aren't Devil Fruit related, and therefore couldn't have been sucked in by BB. I think the point is that they just didn't have time to get in an all-out fight with BB AND his crew. No please just no. I could give you dozens of examples where X can beat Y, Y can beat C but X can't beat C. One Piece works like rock paper scissors: Your Akuma no Mi element will beat another Akuma no Mi. Example: Enel -> Strongest character in the series. Beaten by Luffy. Yes, Enel was the strongest, hes lightning attacks would go in the speed of light (impossible to dodge even with Haki because it will hit you before your eyes could see it) and would paralyze you. Means no one would stand a chance against him but luffy with hes fruit. Yes, BB would be a piece of cake for Enel, actually, Enel could blow up the whole Marineford and kill everyone that was inside it including Shanks and even Mihawk. Luffy would beat BB with another punch, because if he suffered that much from an Jet Pistol (the worse attack of Luffy), he would explode if he suffered an Jet gattling Gun or an Jet Bazooka. I am perfectly aware of that, but in this case, Ace was so much more powerful than Luffy that it's not even worth debating if Blackbeard was stronger than Luffy, having beaten Ace. Oh, how many times I've heard the Enel and Luffy argument. Yes, that was an exception. Yes, that was a BIG exception and if electricity hadn't been weak against rubber we all know Luffy would have ended up as a smoldering pile of ash. But that was an extremely rare, even if big, exception and cannot be described as the "normal case". Also, Enel can move at the speed of light? Kizaru is made of light and even he can't. Enel is made out of lightning. From what I can remember, lightning travels slower than light. In my opinion, Enel cannot defeat the whole of Marineford. He just can't. The only reason Blackbeard was hurt by Luffy's Jet Pistol (which is not his "worst attack", by the way) is because he's careless. Maybe if Luffy had hit him with his most powerful attack as his first one, maybe he would have harmed BB significantly. Maybe. lupadim said: You said: Ace was a "big deal", however I think we had a misunderstanding about what the definition of "big deal" is. I meant it in the way that, while not being the most powerful person in the series, he caused huge (and I mean huge) change in the series that vary from Sengoku retiring to Whitebeard being killed. In that sense, he is most certainly a "big deal". Also, Ace was plenty powerful. He was one of the most powerful people in WB's crew and battled pretty evenly, if only for a short while, with Aokiji. He also had Conqueror's Haki, and almost certainly the other two types. He caused all that because he was an pirate of WB's crew. And WB's crew is not that strong: Marcos is one of the most OP characters in the series, ok, and thats all, all else = weak characters and an admiral can kill all of them (It actually bothers me how Marcos is immortal, I mean, without sea or kairouseki he is invulnerable to everything) And I don't remember when Ace had conqueror's Haki. If he had, things would have been way easier for him, why he didn't used? And hes fight against Aokiji wasn't a real fight... Because in a fight, one loses and other win. WB crew is not that strong? I'm sorry, but that is bullshit. Ace showed Conqueror's Haki in the Luffy's flashback against Bluejam. The exact reason why he didn't use it isn't explained, but would it have actually been useful? I mean, he couldn't knock any of the important people out, like any of the Admirals (of course, usually Conqueror's only knocks out fodder) and even if he did knock out the executioners, it wouldn't have done much cause he would have been killed anyways. Anyways, I'm sorry, but I'm too tired to make any real complex arguments right now. |
Apr 26, 2013 4:33 PM
#98
Suzuhi_Harumiya said: Mike_the_Great said: lupadim said: Suzuhi_Harumiya said: lupadim said: Suzuhi_Harumiya said: lupadim said: Suzuhi_Harumiya said: One Piece: Magellan Akainu Smoker Bleach: Nnoitra Grimmjow To Aru Majutsu no Index(Not sure if it counts as shounen): Oriana Thompson Accelerator Lol Those are probably the only villains I actually like. Magellan, Smoker and Akainu, villains? WTF SIR. They are anti-MCs but not villains. It is like saying "L is my favorite villain". I can understand how you argue Smoker...but honestly...Akainu???? Last I checked anti-MC is a villain. Lmao Anti-MC is not villain. In that way L would be the bad guy. Plus... Akainu is always fighting for the world's sake by killing the pirates, just because he killed you-know-who it doesn't mean he is bad. Remember you-know-who was a pirate that killed people. What I am trying to say is that he does not have bad intentions. Magellan controls a prison he is not evil. Plus Smoker, villain?.. Quit trying to argue over what a villain is. : a character in a story or play who opposes the hero http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/villain Sorry but Luffy and hes crew is not the hero. Actually, pirates are the villains that go against the law, disturbing people. Who are the heroes? The World Government? I'm sure they killed many people because they feared the knowledge they had, not because they were actually dangerous to the population. Lupadim is just an idiotic troll. Clearly he's wrong but still...w/e turn this thread into a One Piece topic right? Yeah sucks for OP, it was actually a good topic idea but someone who knows everything about anything needed to arrive. |
Apr 26, 2013 4:37 PM
#99
You said: I am perfectly aware of that, but in this case, Ace was so much more powerful than Luffy that it's not even worth debating if Blackbeard was stronger than Luffy, having beaten Ace. Oh, how many times I've heard the Enel and Luffy argument. Yes, that was an exception. Yes, that was a BIG exception and if electricity hadn't been weak against rubber we all know Luffy would have ended up as a smoldering pile of ash. But that was an extremely rare, even if big, exception and cannot be described as the "normal case". Also, Enel can move at the speed of light? Kizaru is made of light and even he can't. Enel is made out of lightning. From what I can remember, lightning travels slower than light. In my opinion, Enel cannot defeat the whole of Marineford. He just can't. The only reason Blackbeard was hurt by Luffy's Jet Pistol (which is not his "worst attack", by the way) is because he's careless. Maybe if Luffy had hit him with his most powerful attack as his first one, maybe he would have harmed BB significantly. Maybe. But Luffy did significantly hurt him with Jet Pistol. But an Gattling Gun = 500000 Jet Pistols. It would be an OVERKILL. And yes, Enel could kill whoever he wants, as hes attack can instantly-kill anyone. And watch the anime again: He made an attack called 20.000.000.000.000.000.000.alotofzeroes watts. It would destroy Marineford EASILY. And lightining may not be at speed of light but is faster than the speed of sound ( way faster ) which would be the fastest attack in One Piece universe. Plus Kizaru SHOULD BE ABLE to move in the speed of light, he can't cuz the anime's Akuma no Mis are plotholes. You said: WB crew is not that strong? I'm sorry, but that is bullshit. Ace showed Conqueror's Haki in the Luffy's flashback against Bluejam. The exact reason why he didn't use it isn't explained, but would it have actually been useful? I mean, he couldn't knock any of the important people out, like any of the Admirals (of course, usually Conqueror's only knocks out fodder) and even if he did knock out the executioners, it wouldn't have done much cause he would have been killed anyways. Anyways, I'm sorry, but I'm too tired to make any real complex arguments right now. He could have saved so much time from others, the only enemies that would be left would be pacifists, admirals, vice-admirals and shichibukais. |
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