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Gash_V-D_Hetchum said: No shit, if you think anyone here or elsewhere does any other way then your either delusional or lying.Many people here rate based solely on enjoyment Gash_V-D_Hetchum said: and eye candy. Its infuriating. Yah cause LOTGH isnt int he top 10 anime or anything despite having poor animation and art |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| Well this... this was a thing. This was definitely a thing. |
| LOL @ the reactions in this thread. Nothing really happens in this episode, yet we have 14 pages. The art was a bit surprising at the beginning but you can get used to it very easily. My only gripe is how it failed to deal with people in the background who often appears faceless, I hope they will fix it in the next episodes, cause that is a bit disturbing. The animation on the other hand was rather good. Concerning the story, the pacing is kinda slow, and the plot seems rather simple so it's hard to judge after just one episode, will definitely continue watching it. PS: that ending song was great! |
amginex said: yhunata said: Starmie said: Lord_El_Wilio said: Starmie said: The amount of hate this is getting is atrocious. Clearly it's not for everyone, but it's upsetting to see so many people complaining just because the art/animation is different than what people usually watch. Yes, I'll admit that it was choppy in some areas and the characters aren't extraordinarily attractive, but these characteristics provide a sense of realism. And honestly, the characters look much like any person you would see in a live action film or series. I really just don't like seeing this anime being criticized for its edgier style. I can understand those who are commenting on the slow pacing or so on, but immediately rating it a 1 because of the animation is ridiculous. It's ugly, stop over analyzing it. I'm not overanalyzing, I'm just annoyed that everyone is so quick to complain because of a different art style and I elaborated on why. The author of the manga spent so much time designing his characters so that the anime could tear it apart. That's shitty to me, no matter what sense the adaption was trying to be. nah, the author of the manga actually approved this type of animation and was tested on him He approved of the artstyle, I never heard anything about him liking the character designs. |
| Average rating is down to 4.93. That's an accomplishment in of itself. |
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miilowaczy said: - Nagahama: Since it's so different from the usual anime, he can't say that everyone will love it. But those who watch the first episode and think "I want to see more" will not have their expectations betrayed. Well, I am hooked, so I hope he won't disapoint. |
| Well, there goes another anime I wanted to watch :| Oh well, still have the manga. |
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SetsukoHara said: miilowaczy said: - Nagahama: Since it's so different from the usual anime, he can't say that everyone will love it. But those who watch the first episode and think "I want to see more" will not have their expectations betrayed. Well, I am hooked, so I hope he won't disapoint. Same here. Looking forward to more of this. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| The art style is supposed to be ugly in order to reflect the characters' actions. It's not supposed to have a happy-go-lucky feel, so they didn't make it look that way. You're not supposed to be fawning over the characters. I am really enjoying the music in this series, the atmosphere has been set perfectly... So far, I have not been disappointed by this series, except for everyone's reactions to the animation style. |
| Fuck it. This is going to be the only time when take what people on here have said to heart. Read the manga. Ok, I'll do that. Can't watch this. Not only because I think it looks horrible but bc it isn't even close to the manga characters which I do care about. I think the argument defenders of the art style are taking is ludicrous. People like myself who hate this aren't advocating that every anime needs be all moe moe moe etc etc etc. That's just using the easiest example to defend your case. What we are saying is we desire GOOD animation. This is not animation. To each their own but there are dozens upon dozens of examples from moe-blob to rugged animation that appropriately adapts the freaking source correctly. |
IZEROIIApr 5, 2013 4:06 PM
Assarty said: Most posters have said: oh sniff sniff why did they use an innovative technique (so innovative it was already used in The Animatrix for instance, and approved; nobody made a fuss about it) instead of just going with the random character designs of the manga oh sniff why did they try something new oh sniff I don't want an anime, I want a 24-minute long manga :( oh, I'd better focus on the animation (that I find shitty even though it's great), and forget about the marvelous atmosphere and direction oh sniff sniff why is it different from my usual harem series :( Speaking about Baudelaire, now I'm feeling the Spleen... You sure do love generelazing, don't you? You're just going to give the fanbase of the anime a bad name by doing that kind of crap. The animation is not bad because its different, its bad because of the uncanny valley affect and the quality of the animation itself. |
amginex said: rederoin said: amginex said: yhunata said: Starmie said: Lord_El_Wilio said: Starmie said: The amount of hate this is getting is atrocious. Clearly it's not for everyone, but it's upsetting to see so many people complaining just because the art/animation is different than what people usually watch. Yes, I'll admit that it was choppy in some areas and the characters aren't extraordinarily attractive, but these characteristics provide a sense of realism. And honestly, the characters look much like any person you would see in a live action film or series. I really just don't like seeing this anime being criticized for its edgier style. I can understand those who are commenting on the slow pacing or so on, but immediately rating it a 1 because of the animation is ridiculous. It's ugly, stop over analyzing it. I'm not overanalyzing, I'm just annoyed that everyone is so quick to complain because of a different art style and I elaborated on why. The author of the manga spent so much time designing his characters so that the anime could tear it apart. That's shitty to me, no matter what sense the adaption was trying to be. nah, the author of the manga actually approved this type of animation and was tested on him He approved of the artstyle, I never heard anything about him liking the character designs. where did you see that he hated the character designs? id like to read it I never said that. learn to read. |
| Well I thought that was pretty interesting and my only major complaint was the loss of coherent sound during the last six minutes in the subbed version I saw (soundtrack replaced by annoying ululating machine noise), then I saw the firestorm of comments. It ain't pretty--that's for sure, but that definitely isn't an accident either (and thanks for the translation of the interview of the mangaka and director which helps to clarify the intention behind this animation). If the reaction reminded me of anything it was the public reaction to the publishing of the real Fleur du Mal (for the record Baudelaire was criminally convicted of offenses against public morality and six of the poems were suppressed from being published in France for decades). The offence today may have been against moe rather than morality, but the reaction is just as strong. So what did I like? I liked the use of music and sound, particularly the menacing undertones that seemed to propel us through the episode. I loved the deliberately ugly and decaying urban backgrounds even when they were reused at least a couple of times. If you wanted an atmosphere of nightmarish decadence (and what reader of Baudelaire doesn't) you certainly got that in spades--like the fevered dreams from drinking the waters of a poisoned urban well. (Florid images seem to go with this stuff...) What didn't I like: the character designs. I don't mind rotoscoping. Heck, I even liked Ralph Bakshi's aborted version of The Lord of the Rings and Kids on the Slope was well done, but the designs in this left me a little cold. Having seen the posted versions of the manga in this discussion, I would have rather seen the characters looking much more like their manga counterparts. I don't want them to be moe clones, but if I'm going to be watching them for 13 weeks I want to have some identification with them and I don't think that is going to happen. And look, I understand that doing it this way emphasizes the ugliness within the characters--I get that shit; but if you alienate the audience to the extent that the only ones viewing it are hipsters, trolls, and people who read Baudelaire, then really you're just engaged in the artistic equivalent of fapping to your own work. I'll keep watching till at least till I pass the Madoka line (three episodes), but I may not enjoy it as much as I would have liked. |
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Gash_V-D_Hetchum said: rederoin said: Gash_V-D_Hetchum said: Many people here rate based solely on enjoyment and eye candy. Its infuriating. ? You know what kind of people are even worse? those trying to force others to rate the same way they rate shows. rederoin, please. . I'm dead serious. |
| Well, that was a trainwreck. I actually got used to the different art style, its just the whole show is so damn melancholy and boring it is near impossible to sit through. The ending leaves some hope for episode 2 but damn... will be a challenge to get the strength to download and watch it. |
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rederoin said: Gash_V-D_Hetchum said: rederoin said: Gash_V-D_Hetchum said: Many people here rate based solely on enjoyment and eye candy. Its infuriating. ? You know what kind of people are even worse? those trying to force others to rate the same way they rate shows. rederoin, please. . I'm dead serious. Yeah, we know. That's the problem here. |
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amginex said: yhunata said: Starmie said: Lord_El_Wilio said: Starmie said: The amount of hate this is getting is atrocious. Clearly it's not for everyone, but it's upsetting to see so many people complaining just because the art/animation is different than what people usually watch. Yes, I'll admit that it was choppy in some areas and the characters aren't extraordinarily attractive, but these characteristics provide a sense of realism. And honestly, the characters look much like any person you would see in a live action film or series. I really just don't like seeing this anime being criticized for its edgier style. I can understand those who are commenting on the slow pacing or so on, but immediately rating it a 1 because of the animation is ridiculous. It's ugly, stop over analyzing it. I'm not overanalyzing, I'm just annoyed that everyone is so quick to complain because of a different art style and I elaborated on why. The author of the manga spent so much time designing his characters so that the anime could tear it apart. That's shitty to me, no matter what sense the adaption was trying to be. nah, the author of the manga actually approved this type of animation and was tested on him Well, his loss then. A lot of people will be turned off by this and that means less sales. But I just can't see why he approved of this horrible redesigning of his characters, which I'm sure he spent a lot of time designing himself. Nucksen said: yhunata said: Starmie said: Lord_El_Wilio said: Starmie said: The amount of hate this is getting is atrocious. Clearly it's not for everyone, but it's upsetting to see so many people complaining just because the art/animation is different than what people usually watch. Yes, I'll admit that it was choppy in some areas and the characters aren't extraordinarily attractive, but these characteristics provide a sense of realism. And honestly, the characters look much like any person you would see in a live action film or series. I really just don't like seeing this anime being criticized for its edgier style. I can understand those who are commenting on the slow pacing or so on, but immediately rating it a 1 because of the animation is ridiculous. It's ugly, stop over analyzing it. I'm not overanalyzing, I'm just annoyed that everyone is so quick to complain because of a different art style and I elaborated on why. The author of the manga spent so much time designing his characters so that the anime could tear it apart. That's shitty to me, no matter what sense the adaption was trying to be. tbh, the character designs of the manga were always it's weakest part to me, because they felt too formulaic for this story Quite honestly, that was the reason why I dropped the manga and waited for the anime. But this is even worse. Well, I guess this means I can save on my download limit. |
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| Whelp, that makes two dropped shows this season for me. Man that was disappointing. That art style works for somethings, but an entire show? It looks so lazy. I was really looking forward to this one :c All the scenery was really amazing though! |
LanternFireApr 5, 2013 4:16 PM
Nucksen said: rederoin said: Gash_V-D_Hetchum said: rederoin said: Gash_V-D_Hetchum said: Many people here rate based solely on enjoyment and eye candy. Its infuriating. ? You know what kind of people are even worse? those trying to force others to rate the same way they rate shows. rederoin, please. . I'm dead serious. Yeah, we know. That's the problem here. No, people who force that kind of shit on others are. People like that are the cancer of most entertainment based communities on the internet. |
yhunata said: Well, his loss then. A lot of people will be turned off by this and that means less sales. But I just can't see why he approved of this horrible redesigning of his characters, which I'm sure he spent a lot of time designing himself. Well, maybe because he liked it, and thought it could also suit his story. |
amginex said: yhunata said: amginex said: yhunata said: Starmie said: Lord_El_Wilio said: Starmie said: The amount of hate this is getting is atrocious. Clearly it's not for everyone, but it's upsetting to see so many people complaining just because the art/animation is different than what people usually watch. Yes, I'll admit that it was choppy in some areas and the characters aren't extraordinarily attractive, but these characteristics provide a sense of realism. And honestly, the characters look much like any person you would see in a live action film or series. I really just don't like seeing this anime being criticized for its edgier style. I can understand those who are commenting on the slow pacing or so on, but immediately rating it a 1 because of the animation is ridiculous. It's ugly, stop over analyzing it. I'm not overanalyzing, I'm just annoyed that everyone is so quick to complain because of a different art style and I elaborated on why. The author of the manga spent so much time designing his characters so that the anime could tear it apart. That's shitty to me, no matter what sense the adaption was trying to be. nah, the author of the manga actually approved this type of animation and was tested on him Well, his loss then. A lot of people will be turned off by this and that means less sales. But I just can't see why he approved of this horrible redesigning of his characters, which I'm sure he spent a lot of time designing himself. Nucksen said: yhunata said: Starmie said: Lord_El_Wilio said: Starmie said: The amount of hate this is getting is atrocious. Clearly it's not for everyone, but it's upsetting to see so many people complaining just because the art/animation is different than what people usually watch. Yes, I'll admit that it was choppy in some areas and the characters aren't extraordinarily attractive, but these characteristics provide a sense of realism. And honestly, the characters look much like any person you would see in a live action film or series. I really just don't like seeing this anime being criticized for its edgier style. I can understand those who are commenting on the slow pacing or so on, but immediately rating it a 1 because of the animation is ridiculous. It's ugly, stop over analyzing it. I'm not overanalyzing, I'm just annoyed that everyone is so quick to complain because of a different art style and I elaborated on why. The author of the manga spent so much time designing his characters so that the anime could tear it apart. That's shitty to me, no matter what sense the adaption was trying to be. tbh, the character designs of the manga were always it's weakest part to me, because they felt too formulaic for this story Quite honestly, that was the reason why I dropped the manga and waited for the anime. But this is even worse. Well, I guess this means I can save on my download limit. you should read the interview with the author. he already said that people will be turned off by this. i think his intent is being fully recognized Which is why I wondered why he would do such a thing. |
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| Honestly I didn't really find the art/animation really all that bad, maybe it's because I haven't read the manga which looks a lot better but I kind of got used to it after a few minutes and it seems like it has a good plot so I'm going to give it a few more episodes to decide and see if I really like it. |
| DROPPED at 2.23.. silly character design sigh.,, though i like the background art coz its too realistic.. |
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Gash_V-D_Hetchum said: I don't need to add anything now do I? But I shall. I'm fine with people being biased with their ratings, if it should objectively be a 5/10, go and give it a 7, not a 10. Have all the 8-10s you want, but then, keep the real garbage unrated at least. Not rated on par with great stuff. You're exactly the type of person i'm talking about. You're a hypocrit for rating Inferno cop a '10', by the way. |
xAyaChanx said: Honestly I didn't really find the art/animation really all that bad, maybe it's because I haven't read the manga which looks a lot better but I kind of got used to it after a few minutes and it seems like it has a good plot so I'm going to give it a few more episodes to decide and see if I really like it.  Not true to source. That is nothing even close to the original. How can I stay focused on the narrative when looking at that shit. |
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| Wow... I knew MAL was full of people with no taste or understanding of anything. People who rate mediocre shit 10/10 and so on. But to be this stupid... wow. Let me just give my Impression: Animation Well it is hard to talk about animation if this show was most likely rotoshopped. Very unique indeed, very artsy. Those who know A Scanner Darkly know what that means. So it's hard to judge animation based on that fact. I think it looks damn cool. The backgrounds are detailed and realistic, and the coolest effect is how realistic the motions look like. I guess it's hard to appreciate but really folks calm down. Story / Setting Besides most school anime this one has actually a real dark tone. It's more realistic than pretty much any anime I've ever seen (most likely due the fact it was filmed with life action actors). But just listen to the conversations. Everything is very natural and realistic. This is how people in japanese schools actually are! Not you typical school anime characters. The episode was a bit slow but I guess it's more to introduce you to it's unique style. All I can say is, it is most likely about the book he is reading (since it's the name of the anime) and will be a psychological Horro (at least that is what I hope for). I am really interested. And also intrigued that something so artsy comes out in the mids of all these generic shows. Characters What can I say, I don't know if they were actual humans I have to read up on this. But they are the most realistic cast I've ever seen. Nothing much to say since they were introduced very sketchy. Sound I love the score. minimalistic ambient really gives you a great atmosphere and fits the show well. The Opening was totally out of place and I personally hated it for that. The ending song was really awesome. Damn I'm fucking impressed here! Overall this show can be something really important for this season. It is a beacon in this dark time of anime where all we get is generic school anime and fanservice. Not that I dislike that, it's just nice to see something that isn't generic. |
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| Wow umm... people can say what they will but there is no denying the way they did the art and animation was incredibly lazy and quite awful. The characters don't even resemble the ones in the manga. I mean check out Nakamura for fuck sakes, she was never 'moe' to begin with but that didn't mean they had to turn her in to some butt fugly girl that doesn't look a thing like the real Nakamura.... I umm... Don't think I can watch this. And this is coming from someone who really isn't usually picky at all. |
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| I love the manga and I was extremely happy when I heard it was getting an anime adaptation. Do you have any idea how I felt when I saw how it turned out? I would be fine if Aku no Hana were a novel with no prior character designs and IF the rotoscope was actually done well. How can you expect someone who is familiar with the manga to like this adaptation? I'm writing as someone who enjoyed the manga, and not as someone new to the world of Aku no Hana. (if that were the case I would probably be a lot less judgmental) I liked the atmosfere, the sound, the ending was interesting... and that's it. I hated the opening, the rotoscope was badly done, I was pissed at the character designs (I mean, look at Nakamura) and overall it was very painful to watch. |
| LOL at the rating, even Training with Hinako is rated higher. Well at least, it's not as bad as Sleeping with Hinaako. |
IZEROII said: xAyaChanx said: Honestly I didn't really find the art/animation really all that bad, maybe it's because I haven't read the manga which looks a lot better but I kind of got used to it after a few minutes and it seems like it has a good plot so I'm going to give it a few more episodes to decide and see if I really like it. Not true to source. That is nothing even close to the original. How can I stay focused on the narrative when looking at that shit. there should be a disclaimer somewhere in this anime that says "manga author part of the anime production" and that he actually approved the looks of the anime. fanboys expectation from the manga was really thrown out and removed from this anime, at least visual-wise |
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