One Piece Chapter 687 Discussion

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^ well said.

Oct 31, 2012 8:24 AM

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well, let's just say Luffy's speed on gear 2 excels Zoro's speed, but zoro's ashura is far more destructive for a single target than gear 3 or so, and we might add as well that Luffy has a clear disadvantage fighting vs. swords/piercing styles, so yeah. There is a reason why the first mate is a swordsman, and why he's like 3% weaker than Luffy.

Also, if I remember correctly Luffy couldn't even dream to fight against Mihawk since every extension of his limbs would end up losing them (pre-timeskip ofc.), so- eventhough he lvled up it's still the same principle and Zoro is now closer to Mihawk than ever...best case scenario Luffy would be most beaten up then ever before, within an inch of his life, but still win I guess.

This world is mine. I think this world may even just be a long, long dream I'm watching. You guys may just be illusions, and it can't be proven whether or not you really exist either. In other words, this world was created with me at the center. So what will happen if I die? I don't know. My imagination isn't very creative; I just can't imagine myself dying. In other words, there is no way this world can completely disappear. But if I die, then everyone will disappear. I am the only one in this world who won't disappear. The rest are just people I see as if in a dream.

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Oct 31, 2012 8:25 AM

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And dunno if you watched some anime sequences, but for instance on that island where a sea horse steals memories Zoro beats Luffy and puts him under a rock, also there's that time they fight on equal grounds to death on whiskey peak till Nami separates them--> but I guess that's what Shuda puts in the 'casual' category

Oct 31, 2012 9:02 AM

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I guess Luffy and Zoro are suposed to be on the same level of strenght. it's just that being the captain Luffy gets more screentime and to fight with other captains.

That's why Oda created Killer, a captain level first mate just like Zoro. And I guess with the alliances he'll have more relevant rivals. He also introduced lots of strong Marine and pirate swordsmen in the Marineford arc.

As for Monet, I think she'll be Nami's fight in the future. We saw a glimpse of that before Zoro decided to tank her.

Sanji always manages to be awesome when he shows up.

Zoro and Tashigi's interaction was good. Zoro was badass. I just wish Tashigi was a little stronger.

And I still like Monet even though she is more of a villain than we believed at first.

Oct 31, 2012 9:22 AM

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To be honest, this chapter was horrible.
> Zoro doesn't hit women which sucks A LOT, no need for another sanji
> Monet lost to tashigi and IN ONE HIT (+the pathetic attacks from last week); we are talking about the girl that was owned by vergo and by law EASILY
> Zoro being extremely strong, just like that.
I hate when this happens, because one of the best things in one piece is the LOGIC in battles and it was just screwed. I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes pirate king before luffy.

Oct 31, 2012 9:36 AM

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First off, Monet didn't lose to Tashigi. She lost to Zoro. Monet was owning Tashigi, and would have been dead if it wasn't for Zoro.

With that said, Zoro is too strong. Luffy couldn't even break her ice shield with multiple haki strikes(he was aiming for Caesar, so i assume he was using haki). To those who say he was 'distracted' by Caesar, i say "no". He was trying to break the ice shield, so it doesn't matter who he was fighting.. he should have been using Haki regardless, and if he was focused on Caesar, then he should be using Haki to begin with so it makes it even worse.

Either way, he was trying to break it, and he couldn't with multiple hits(just cracked it?). Of course, he could have used the super big hand or whatever, but he didn't(would be kinda overkill lol). This just speaks to his 'fighting IQ'. He failed. End of story. No point trying to rationalize it after the fact to make him look good.

Zoro just owned her with 1 hit without even using haki. It also seemed like Monet was stronger than Caesar, in that she was his 'protector. Luffy couldn't even finish off Caesar in one hit.. and he couldn't break her ice shield with multiple hits. You can say he wasn't really trying and didn't use his strongest moves, but then that just makes him sound stupid. Why hit it multiple times with the intention of breaking it and beating up Caesar and NOT actually try, and actually let him get away? Sounds like justification AFTER the fact to me.

So i'm thinking that Zoro is actually stronger than Luffy, ie with one hit and without haki.. Casually stronger or whatever you wanna call it, Zoro is stronger than Luffy right now after this chapter.. Luffy might be stronger/faster overall, but Zoro is 'casually' stronger. I don't think luffy can hit logias without using haki.. that's already pretty imbalanced..

Zoro might even be stronger than luffy. He is supposed to be the strongest swordsman in the world(or that's his goal anyway, so he might be number 2 still after Mihawk). He might have the strongest offense in OP, meaning he can cut anything, even without haki.

I don't think he has/used conquerers haki, so it just means Zoro is just that badass. More badass than luffy.. it just doesn't make sense. Luffy should have owned Caesar if Zoro can own Monet without even using haki or being serious.. since she was protecting Caesar, and Caesar is weak as fuck.

Come on Oda, this was a weak chapter. Yes, we got to see zoro fight, but i would have rather not seen it if it was like this. Don't need to see weak ass Tashigi or Monet losing like that. It wasn't bad ass at all. Just made Zoro overpowered and ruined the rest of their 'power levels'. It's all out of whack now zehehe

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Oct 31, 2012 10:01 AM

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It's funny how people complain about overpoweredness of the crew when in fact the entirety of the series up to Alabasta the crew had a fairly easy time, with only certain situation-specific handicaps holding them back.

Zoro doesn't like cutting women, but he will when he has to, hence not only cutting her cheek, but also cutting Monet in freaking half and terrifying her down to paralysis.
The whole point of this chapter was that Zoro is willing to cut women when they're in the way, it could've been done better, but that was the point.

Personally enjoyed this chapter overall, though. Definitely some nice action and it gets bonus points for not being fanservice despite involving women in a fight.

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Oct 31, 2012 10:13 AM

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@ex0

Let's not jump to conclusions so fast. It was just one fight. I agree that up until this point zoro has shown more post timeskip. But for all we know luffy could just be holding back for someone worthy of his real power. We haven't seen anyone yet that fits the bill. I will admit that it's weird that luffy goes from "casually" one shotting a pacifistica to not being able to break monets wall, even casually. The only impressive things we've seen from luffy is his haki on fishman island, the pacifistica, and fighting on even terms with jinbei for a brief moment.

And they're not overpowered, we knew they would be this strong. We just need to see luffy fight someone legit.

Oct 31, 2012 10:30 AM

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I use to like Monet but when she started making them hideous monster faces i dislike her.

Seriously I hate hate hate those type of faces with thin, long, sharp teeth SO CREEPY!! ;^;

The Zoro & Tashigi interactions were amusing tho.

Oct 31, 2012 11:06 AM

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This chapter had everything i love about One piece...

Sanji: I'd never strike a woman!
Marine: Ok what if your life was on the line?
Sanji: I'd gladly welcome death with open arms..
Me: Sanji you are a man among men...

Then Zoro goes and beats his opponent with fear...

Luffy needs to step up his game...

Just give me a hammer, a tractor tire and a frozen bag of peas and watch me destroy the world...

Oct 31, 2012 11:32 AM

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@ex0

Let's not jump to conclusions so fast. It was just one fight. I agree that up until this point zoro has shown more post timeskip. But for all we know luffy could just be holding back for someone worthy of his real power.

No doubt this is true(luffy not showing his full power), but it just makes luffy seem weak imo. He's holding back so much that he let Caesar get away, and he's holding back so that he couldn't even break Monets ice barrier? Weak.. :P

But it's probably necessary to advance the storyline and make it more epic. But usually Oda has better storyline/plot to make this happen. This seems like a plot device that other 'lesser' shounen would resort to, rather than what i'm used to seeing from OP/Oda..

We haven't seen anyone yet that fits the bill. I will admit that it's weird that luffy goes from "casually" one shotting a pacifistica to not being able to break monets wall, even casually. The only impressive things we've seen from luffy is his haki on fishman island, the pacifistica, and fighting on even terms with jinbei for a brief moment.

And they're not overpowered, we knew they would be this strong. We just need to see luffy fight someone legit.

What about Doflamingo? He definitely is the strongest person in this arc. But yeah. We haven't even seen someone that Zoro or Sanji has had to take seriously yet. I hope this whole arc isn't just a filler arc for them to show off their post time skip powers.. and to introduce us to another crew member or some 'straw hat friend'(like vivi, perona, bon clay, Jimbei etc) since Oda has hinted at it so much. Like Monet before last chapter and this one, the samurai dudes son(the dragon), the samurai dude, and now Tashigi and Smoker too(but they've always been there, they also have a role to play as marines so it's not that bad).

All in all, it seems like Oda is setting up alliances/relationships, which i guess is understandable since they need to build that shit up if they are going to be a Yonkou(or taking on big mama). I think/thought that Doflamingo would be a major character, let's just hope he doesn't get killed by Luffy in one hit like Monet was by Zoro.. he's too good of a character to be killed off that easily :(

Lastly, Tashigi used Soru. Can Soru users do the 'air walk'(if they master it), or is that purely Sanji's move? I remember Coby could also use it, was that pre time skip or post? Who do you guys think is stronger now.. Coby or Tashigi? Does this mean that Coby should also be able to use Haki since she can? And do you guys think Coby is strnoger, and thus should also know more Rokushiki techniques? How many out of 6 do you guys think he can do now? And which ones? Do you think he's a swordsman too, or do you think he's a hand to hand fighter, and going to be like GARP?

Oct 31, 2012 12:06 PM

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ex0 bitching too much? sry for the language.

You overanalyzed the situation a bit too much. The thing about Zoro vs Monet fight was the fact that Monet didn't even use Snow hut that she used vs Luffy (7 layered at that or so), which is obviously her ultimate 'defensive' attack. While I'm at it, did you notice Luffy not even trying to fight Monet and not even landing a single hit on her? Also, Zoro not even wanting to fight Monet until Tashigi was in danger of actually dying. In other words, your lack of paying attention to details led to totally interpreting a few chapters wrong and getting the wrong picture about powers. Also, when attacking Ceasar, he DID break the wall and Monet even commented how that wall is practically indestructible and applaued, when you add 6 layers that freeze together for max defensive power, and Luffy not even trying, I think the outcome is pretty obvious.

Also, Ceasar's only strength is that of a Logia, he's weak as fuck. Has only 1 useful atk (suffocate) and that becomes history when you understand how it works (showed by Luffy). (has gastanet but I think that on this NW lvl explosions aren't so much of a problem) Monet being stronger than him as a part of the Donquijote crew doesn't make it wierd, aswell as Zoro being stronger than her. He was always Luffy/near Luffy lvl so quit bitching only when it becomes that obvious.

Btw it was stated that haki has awaken in Coby during the Marineford arc so I'm pretty confident he mastered it by now. That douche with the blond hair being a swordsman, I guess he's for fist to fist like Garp. Also, 'air walk' is just a modified version of one of the 6 techniques that has a different name, I think it's called 'gepou' or sth like that. Those things don't stack with soru neccesserally, seeing all users with soru in the air just makes them seem faster, or atleast I think that it's only to stress the speed.

Oct 31, 2012 12:54 PM

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I wrote a long post, but my computer crashed and i can't be fucked writing it again as elegantly so i'll just keep it short and sweet(or not, since it turned out pretty long anyway, haha)

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ex0 bitching too much? sry for the language.

You overanalyzed the situation a bit too much.

Perhaps, but i think OP/Oda deserves that, and i think that your explanation is too simple, and reduces OP to the level of naruto or other lesser shounens.

The thing about Zoro vs Monet fight was the fact that Monet didn't even use Snow hut that she used vs Luffy (7 layered at that or so), which is obviously her ultimate 'defensive' attack.

Like i said, this is very simple explanation, and i don't like talking about 'ultimate defense' or ultimate attacks etc, because that's naruto shit. Powers in OP are more complicated than that, and there is no 'ultimate defense' or ultimate attack, it depends on who's fighting who. A useless power can be the ultimate attack vs someone because it's their weakness etc. But i'm sure i don't need to tell you that.

While I'm at it, did you notice Luffy not even trying to fight Monet and not even landing a single hit on her?

Yes, i noticed. No one likes to hit women in the straw hats crew if they can help it..

Also, Zoro not even wanting to fight Monet until Tashigi was in danger of actually dying. In other words, your lack of paying attention to details led to totally interpreting a few chapters wrong and getting the wrong picture about powers.

Now you're just insulting me for no reason. I can play that game too. Your lack of imagination and you getting offended by my post for whatever reason is making you think of the most simple explanations, ie the most obvious ones. And like i said, i think OP deserves more than that, since Oda has made my expectations high to begin with. I think this is just lazy storytelling and a lazy explanation, rather than me over analyzing.

Also, when attacking Ceasar, he DID break the wall and Monet even commented how that wall is practically indestructible and applaued, when you add 6 layers that freeze together for max defensive power, and Luffy not even trying, I think the outcome is pretty obvious.

Again, i don't buy that explanation, it's too obvious like you said. And OP is anything but obvious.

Also, Ceasar's only strength is that of a Logia, he's weak as fuck.

Except before this, logias were meant to be strong as fuck.. or at least before the Caesar fight. And if Logia's were weak as fuck, then the 'ultimate defense' should also be weak as fuck, because that's a pure logia power, since i don't think Monet has some ultimate fighting power(as shown in the latest chapter, when she shits herself and can't even move because of her pussy she is). This is not in line with her they set her up to be, because before this chapter, she was shown as an 'intelligent' fighter, meaning she knew the power levels of the straw hats, and she still decided to fight them all. She started off with the STRONGEST(Luffy), and then she fought Zoro(aswell as Robin and Nami, and Tashigi). I can't believe someone of her intelligence and cunning would suddenly turn into someone that weak and useless. Like i said, it's lazy storytelling, and completely changed her character from last chapter to this one.

Has only 1 useful atk (suffocate) and that becomes history when you understand how it works (showed by Luffy). (has gastanet but I think that on this NW lvl explosions aren't so much of a problem) Monet being stronger than him as a part of the Donquijote crew doesn't make it wierd, aswell as Zoro being stronger than her. He was always Luffy/near Luffy lvl so quit bitching only when it becomes that obvious.

I never said Caesar was stronger than Monet, so i don't even know why you're mentioning this. I said Monet was Caesars protector.. and it seemed like Luffy had a harder time vs Caesar than Zoro vs Monet. I'm guessing Zoro is also stronger than Caesar then, and he could have also killed Caesar in one hit, if he took Monet out like nothing.. so that means that Luffy is pretty weak, or at least Zoro is stronger than Luffy vs Monet and Caesar? Or what do you think? And no, i won't stop 'bitching' or analyzing. It's just a discussion man, no need to hurl insults at me just because you disagree with my opinion. Chill dude. Otherwise i won't respond to such trollish posts. This is why i don't like posting on here to begin with. When you make a long post that's interesting, you have all these lil kids trying to troll you after with the most simple and boring posts.

Btw it was stated that haki has awaken in Coby during the Marineford arc so I'm pretty confident he mastered it by now. That douche with the blond hair being a swordsman, I guess he's for fist to fist like Garp. Also, 'air walk' is just a modified version of one of the 6 techniques that has a different name, I think it's called 'gepou' or sth like that. Those things don't stack with soru neccesserally, seeing all users with soru in the air just makes them seem faster, or atleast I think that it's only to stress the speed.

Who is the douche with blond hair you're talking about? And where/what chapter did it state that Coby has Haki in marineford arc? What Haki power did Coby is this exactly? Has he actually demonstrated it, or was it just mentioned? Who mentioned it? And what did they say exactly?

So you think Coby has MASTERED Haki, can GEPOU/AIRWALK, AND also mastered ALL 6 Rokushiki techniques currently? lol. I find that to be even more far fetched and out there than anything i've claimed so far! hahaha. That would put him at like one of the most powerful people in OP, maybe like Garp level..

What do you mean those things don't stack with soru? What things are you talking about exactly? And what do you mean by stacking with soru? Why can't they have soru and the 'other things'(whatever they are?)

Finally, when you say 'Soru in the air', you are talking about Gepou? Just say Gepou man.. otherwise your post is too confusing. And yeah, not 'bitching' or trying to give you shit, just trying to have a discussion. All of your explanations have been very simple, and have not really given me anything new to think about. I like to analyze, so no, i won't stop 'overanalyzing'. It's fun to do. If you don't like it, then just don't reply to me, and no one is forcing you to join in the discussion. But here's a tip since you offered me one(stop bitching etc).. insulting people and their intelligence is not very conductive to having a good discussion, or getting what you want(me to stop bitching).

Oct 31, 2012 1:09 PM

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Okay, sry if I insulted you, but I just wanna get some things straight :D

Anyway, you said yourself in the first part that ones great power can be useless against another's super weak power. While that is true, why do you think that goes in favor of what you're trying to prove. Freezed snow with Fists or swords? Wonder what's more effective. :D

Actually, I wasn't hurt by your post (LOL) nor am I trying to insult you, it's just my nature that keeps it looking like I'm offended, I just want an open talk about it. Anyhow, I like overanalyzing too if it isn't so obvious yet, but sometimes the most simple explanations are all there is. We don't need to imagine something that isn't there, much so that 'that' we imagine puts things further out of place and therefore changes the story.

Of course, everything is speculation anyway, but there are some main lines we must keep track off.

Logia power: Caribou too much? :) There are weak logias and there are Logias that use the potential. Also, logias main problem is their lack of expectance to strikes, so they think they're invincible. They're too arrogant, all logias have weaknesses as well as are exposed to haki. Monet is more a fight for Nami than Zoro, and I won't bother explaining this, we'll see that as time flies and more of Doflamingo's henchmen arive.

I agree though that Monet was seen in quite a few different lights, but that just makes it interesting. It would've been boring for Oda that he put her in act as a helper of the strawhats from the beginning like a lot speculated and so on. I would find that lazy.

I don''t know why are you comparing in a triangle when Luffy didn't even fight Monet. Also, I'm pretty sure Zoro is stronger than Ceasar. I'm pretty sure Sanji is stronger too. I think that was obvious.

About Coby, LOL find it yourself, or wait I'll post it tonight (I must go now, but I'll look it up later). I only said Coby awakenning haki and that I think he didn't just sit and watch sea in those 2 years timeskip. I never said he mastered rokushiki. So pls read again my post. The blond douche is Helmeppo. Also, 'Soru in the air' isnt Gepou, gepou is being able to remain in air, while soru is more of a distance crossing.

And don't hang on to the 'bitching' thing, I said it only so you would feel like you need to read my post to the end and reply me in a specific manner ^^ I was just pulling your leg.

Oct 31, 2012 1:58 PM

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kiss i need a kiss from Tashigi and Zoro the next time they meet.

Oct 31, 2012 2:40 PM

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I liked it. Also, I feel like this is the proverbial nail in the coffin regarding Monet's possible SH status.

Dear Math,
I'm not a therapist. Solve your own problems.

Oh, and Algebra?
Stop asking us to find your ex, she's NEVER coming back.

Oct 31, 2012 2:57 PM

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Wow Mikasa, you don´t feel good if you can´t complain at least once every week, right?
To each his own I guess.

Fight was really good. Not in a sense of "uber hax Aizen" or "uber hax Madara", but a normal fight of people with supernatural powers and different strength levels.

Monet was stronger than Tashigi, but didn´t want to act because of Zoro, especially if it´d turn out to be 2 on 1.
Then she overheard that Zoro can´t cut women, so she thought that if she´d take out Tashigi and immobilize Zoro by using the fact that she´s female, she´d be able to go after the others.
Monet would´ve won despite Tashigi actually fighting pretty good there, if she wouldn´t have underestimated Zoro.
That´s why she broke down mentally - she thought she´d actually stand a chance now, but just in mere seconds Zoro sliced her in half. Defeat your careless enemy in the moment he claims victory with all your might and he will abandon hope and his fighting spirit. Those are some serious war tactics there.

I hope that explains everything to all the complainers out there. Tashigi fought hard, Monet isn´t weak but didn´t stand a chance against Zoro and Zoro was just a badass.
That´s all that is to this chapter next to some awesome Tashigi and Zoro moment and it doesn´t need more.

I find it extremely funny that there are a lot of people complaining about not enough action (like Mikasa) then we have some badass scenes with Zoro cutting Monet in half, completely breaking her mentality down and they still complain.

Would you rather have them go "Hax-Sharingan Plotarmor style" like Sasuke or "god mode dominating Butterflyeffect" like Aizen or "Hyper Mega Ultra Super Sayian" like Son Goku or actually have one of the strongest characters fight for once with something completely realistic, natural and common: strategy and psychological warfare by using a born instinct called fear.

We don´t allways need super flashy eye cancer attacks, high speed moving fists or stuff like that.
The Batman writers do it all the time, just look at Dr. Kraven aka Scarecrow. That dude is totally weak, but he has something that makes even the most powerful opponents weak: Fear.
And still he´s one of the most popular villains and his fights against our hero aren´t about shooting, fists or other stuff - most of the times the actual Scarecrow-Batman fight itself is pretty short - but damn allmost every encounter is instense.
No need to have some overpowerd people going at each other just so they can trump each other with some ass pull power to be able to call it a good fight.

If you want that go read Bleach or Dragonball. I like them too but I can tell the difference between One Piece and them. Each manga/genre and each writer has it´s own style and if you don´t like it don´t read it.
No one is stopping you from reading something "so boring" each week.
Of course you are free to state your opinion, but state your reasons.

BTW, Mikasa, Zoro interacted with Tashigi how many times - twice? Making it his thrid time? And when was the last time, at Logue Town, so about 600 chapters ago or so? So stop that bullcrap with 10th or 1000th times. You are confusing that with Naruto and Sasuke ~

Oct 31, 2012 3:09 PM

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Respect for Zoro = over infinity.

10/5 chapter, that was perfect.

The fact that he chose not to use Haki to:

1) Show us how to instill fear into enemies
2) Let Tashigi take the credit for the kill <3

And his soft spot for women seems justified, to be honest.

(Favorite post-timeskip chapter for sure!)

Oct 31, 2012 3:17 PM

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So Zoro now has 2 babes who have a thing for him...

Oda's sense of humour is showing in the tiny details - it looks as if in the end Zoro will get a harem, and Sanji won't (other than the transvestites...)

Oct 31, 2012 3:45 PM

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I predict sometime in the future...

A dire situation in which the well-being of the Straw-hat Crew will depend solely on whether Sanji decides to strike/fight a female or not!

In the beginning of the chapter he says he'd gladly accept death... but in a situation like that I'm curious to see what would happen ._.

Oct 31, 2012 4:21 PM

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guess zoro was just stallin

"Non mihi, non tibi, sed nobis" Which means "It's not for me, It's not for you. It's for everyone"

Oct 31, 2012 4:42 PM

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Brutal chapter, I loved it.

Oct 31, 2012 6:19 PM

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So Zoro now has 2 babes who have a thing for him...

2? Tashigi and Perona?

Oct 31, 2012 6:27 PM

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m4rc0 said:

dbaranyi said:
So Zoro now has 2 babes who have a thing for him...

2? Tashigi and Perona?

What about Robin? Is that 3? Damn Zoro. What a playa. Luffy has Boa Hancock and even Usopp has Kaya. Poor poor Sanji.

Oct 31, 2012 6:34 PM

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Robin? She's already Chopper's.

Oct 31, 2012 6:36 PM

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^ *Shiver* that's unnatural man.

Wait. Sanji does have somebody. Ivankov. And a whole island of queers.

Oct 31, 2012 6:38 PM

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Would Franky be better?

Oct 31, 2012 6:39 PM

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I'm not sure what Franky is anymore.

Oct 31, 2012 7:35 PM

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ZoroxTashigixPeronaxBonneyxMonet.

Fund it.

Nov 1, 2012 11:40 AM

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Zoro is probably stronger than Luffy, I mean he actually trained for 2 years under mihawk, while luffy learnt haki and trained by himself for half a year. I wouldn't be surprised if he can even take on smoker, law and even vergo.

Nov 1, 2012 12:33 PM

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luffydragneel said:

m4rc0 said:

dbaranyi said:
So Zoro now has 2 babes who have a thing for him...

2? Tashigi and Perona?

What about Robin? Is that 3? Damn Zoro. What a playa. Luffy has Boa Hancock and even Usopp has Kaya. Poor poor Sanji.

Nah - Robin hasn't shown any interest in Zoro - he isn't smart enough for her.

Franky is Robin's age, but I think that his smarts were left behind somewhere during one of his android upgrades...

My bet right now is that Robin will take up with Nami... <g>

Nov 1, 2012 12:34 PM

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ZoroxTashigixPeronaxBonneyxMonet.

Fund it.

You're right - I forgot about Bonney... that's three - an Official Harem in the making...

As far as Monet goes, she is history - she won't get to "feel his sword" again... <g>

Nov 1, 2012 1:14 PM

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Zoro is freaking strong. I hope that he will use haki in the future fights *_*

and sad too see that Caribou sacrificed his brother to escape xD

Nov 1, 2012 3:19 PM

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Didn't expect Tshigi to beat Monet but she was probably already weakened by the fight with Zoro so...... the only one left is Ceasar except Vergo

Nov 1, 2012 4:45 PM

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The overflow of baddassery from Zoro was excruciating..........I came.......

Sykadel said:
ZoroxTashigixPeronaxBonneyxMonet.

Fund it.

Zoro is not only badass. He is also a chick magnet.

"Every man shall reap what he has sown, from the highest lord to the lowest gutter rat. And some will lose more than the tips off their fingers, I promise you. They have made my kingdom bleed, and I do not forget that"

Nov 1, 2012 5:14 PM

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As of now, just Tashigi and Perona are confirmed. The other ones are just exaggerations. If those others are on his harem, so are Robin, Vivi and Nami. And Luffy, Sanji, Brook, Chopper and Usopp. And Bon-chan.

Nov 1, 2012 5:45 PM

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I think there is a more obvious relationship between Zoro and Robin in the anime than in the manga, but oh well...

Nov 1, 2012 8:35 PM

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Loved the fight! Zoro was a badass and I really thought he killed her.

Sanji actually praised Zoro as well.

I wonder what Caesar is doing right now?

Nov 1, 2012 8:41 PM

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Barion-Zara said:
I'm really glad that there are Marines involved in this arc.

Because now that they've seen how much the SHs improved we'll finally have our long awaited Bounty Level Up :D really can't wait for that.

I don't see why there will be a bounty increase after this arc. Bounty increases typically come after opposing the Marines/World Government in some way. First bounty was after he took down Morgan (It was evaluated this his relative strength to other pirates in East Blue), then after Crocodile, then again after CP9, and finally after Whitebeard War, Impel Down, and punching a Celestial.

Nov 2, 2012 4:02 AM

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luffydragneel said:
Anyways, from this forum and others I've read, I don't believe anyone was saying Zoro is stronger than Luffy, only that at this point after the time-skip Zoro has shown more than Luffy. He hasn't struggled once.

Zoro was never implied to be and never will be stronger than Luffy, 100%, simply enough as implied from many hints:
-Mihawk admited that Pirate King>Master Swordsman
-Mihawk=Shanks<Whitebeard=<Roger
-Zoro's bounty was always lower than Luffy's. Yes I know that bounties aren't absolute power measures but then again Oda uses them exactly to hype characters, so you might wanna ask yourselves what role they have with the main party
-Zoro would never acknowledge anyone weaker than him as a leader, so Luffy>=Zoro.
-Luffy has proved his worth many times over Zoro by overtaking the strongest character within an island.
-Luffy beat Lucci who had 4400 Doryouki(or however it was spelled) while Kaku had half of that, and both Luffy and Zoro stuggled a lot with their fair matches, and since Doryouki is an absolute power meter unlike the bounties) you can pretty much guess who is stronger.

"But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital...
and now we are two and one of us has to be shit."
-Mr.Freeman

Nov 2, 2012 5:23 AM

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^ Yes. Maybe now people will stop debating and actually discuss something relevant to the story.

Nov 2, 2012 6:27 AM

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Like romance in one piece? rofl
I still can't get over tashigi beating monet and zoro not hitting women, I don't care if monet was mentally broken, she only took some pathetic attacks last week and one hit from tashigi managed to finish her off? one of dofla's subordinates just got owned by weak ass tashigi, the same tashigi that vergo used to mop the floor and that law just completely ridiculed. If this was supposed to show that tashigi got better during time skip then this was a bit too much since she's only a captain and also kind of weird after getting her ass kicked so much. Second point, how he said "there are certain things I don't enjoy slicing", I don't really care much but if he turns out to be like sanji that would be horrible, that's just plain sexist. If a woman can fight, then there shouldn't be any problem.
And how zoro's power level just went over 9000 without any explanation, even though he had so much trouble last week. That's the kind of things I hate the most,when the logic just gets screwed, it's not wrong that zoro is stronger than her, what's wrong is how easy he could have finished her off, it's like she was one of those fodder marines. So now everything becomes possible, baby 5 and buffalo might even get owned by the SHs this early in the new world.

Nov 2, 2012 6:45 AM

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^ There will always be inconsistencies in long running series' like this, Oda is human afterall. Though I'm not sure that the Zoro instance is an inconsistency because even Monet said that he was only blocking her attacks and nothing more. So obviously he wasn't trying the previous chapter. The reason he didn't actually cut her is because he knew how much weaker she was, and he knew he could just intimidate her. Trust me, if he were in a situation where he was fighting a girl who could actually hurt him, or his or another crew members' life was on the line, he wouldn't hesitate to kill her. I believe even Sanji, if put in the situation where a girl was about to kill a member of the crew, would put down a girl. Though he would most likely go into a supreme state of depression soon after, requiring all of Chopper's medical knowledge to overcome.

Nov 2, 2012 7:29 AM

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I would still say it's more >= then > in favor of Luffy. I still think Zoro is kind of an equal to Luffy and if a fight between them would emerge, it would be something like Aokiji vs Akainu, or Jimbei vs Ace

Nov 2, 2012 12:30 PM

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Come on, Caesar is stronger than Monet, he has also a dangerous Akuma no mi which gave problems to Luffy. Joker only send Monet there because he didnt trust Caesar.

Nov 2, 2012 8:35 PM

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Kanic said:
Zoro was never implied to be and never will be stronger than Luffy, 100%, simply enough as implied from many hints:
-Mihawk admited that Pirate King>Master Swordsman
-Mihawk=Shanks<Whitebeard=<Roger
-Zoro's bounty was always lower than Luffy's. Yes I know that bounties aren't absolute power measures but then again Oda uses them exactly to hype characters, so you might wanna ask yourselves what role they have with the main party
-Zoro would never acknowledge anyone weaker than him as a leader, so Luffy>=Zoro.
-Luffy has proved his worth many times over Zoro by overtaking the strongest character within an island.
-Luffy beat Lucci who had 4400 Doryouki(or however it was spelled) while Kaku had half of that, and both Luffy and Zoro stuggled a lot with their fair matches, and since Doryouki is an absolute power meter unlike the bounties) you can pretty much guess who is stronger.

I know what you're saying, but nothing is 100%, especially knowing Oda.

What if Zoro has a falling out with Luffy later on? What if he thinks luffy is weaker, or they have a falling out(over zoro's ambition), just like Usopp did? I also think Robin will have a falling out eventually too, or will be tested. It would be boring if something like this did not happen later, especially for Robin.

I don't think Luffy will stomp Zoro at all, especially when he's worlds strongest swordsman.

You think WB stomped Mihawk? I don't think they ever tested it, they are from different generations.. Mihawk wanted to test WB out, but Jozu stopped his 'test' slice which was probably not a strong move at all for Mihawk. Now think that Zoro is stronger than Mihawk.. it would be an awesome confrontation.

Nov 3, 2012 7:42 AM

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^ I thought Robin's testing was done with Enies Lobby

It would be interesting to see Zoro and Luffy part ways, but I think Zoro would hardly do that being vice-captain and the eldest in crew (1st joined)

The only scenario I could see it happening is Zoro leading his own crew UNDER SH banners, like an alliance pirate crew, coming to Luffy's aid when needed. NOW that would be something. Like WB divisions..

Nov 3, 2012 8:01 AM

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