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Jesuvius said: So this makes Ichigo what, part human, part shinigami, part hollow/arrancar, part fullbringer, part Quincy? It's like Tite Kubo couldn't figure out what gimmick to go with Fullbring is ability not race,quincy is technic,hollows power is part of soul. |
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| Ishida's dad to teach Ichigo Quincy abilities next?! Also Ichigo to confront Isshin. Should be fun. |
| I can't help but think that kubo is just pulling "shocking" revelations out of his ass just for the sake of doing so and once again avoiding real character development. Also it seems that aizen is still trolling so I wouldn't be surprised if all this was once again "all according to plan". |
| Wasn't the point of this attack to annihilate SS? Now everyone is just leaving or what? Also it's pretty damn lame to give the bad guy such a simple handicap as "he can't stay out of his own home too long"... On a side note: how the hell did Aizen manage to alter bach's perception of time without his sword and all. Just by looking at him? Well I guess he has a sharingan after all...(seriously, Sasuke vs. Danzo anyone?) |
Icebreaker93 said: Jesuvius said: So this makes Ichigo what, part human, part shinigami, part hollow/arrancar, part fullbringer, part Quincy? It's like Tite Kubo couldn't figure out what gimmick to go with Fullbring is ability not race,quincy is technic,hollows power is part of soul. I kind of agree. Though Ichigo had no training in quincy arts but "awakened" a power within. So wouldn't that mean it's hereditary? If so, quency is a race. But it seems to be two different types of quencies: the "pure" ones and the humans that learned quency arts. |
sMugOct 30, 2012 11:26 AM
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| Either way Ichigo is a troll because he is all, all is him. Watch, next thing he's going to actually be the Spirit King's successor and he never knew it. |
| 10/10 chapter dat ending :) |
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grandy_UiD said: Once again Aizen is the best thing about a Bleach chapter. Bring the guy back already. yeah, completely agree ... I don't really give a shit about Ichigo, I think Bleach will be awesome if he don't exist ... :p |
"The Slave is the have-not, the oppressed one with nothing to spare. But because the Slave is in that despairing situation, having nothing, it can kill the Emperor !" |
| so Ichigo is a bastard after all |
| Yay for Ichigo being everything in the whole damn manga. |
| He might not even have a heart, he might be some alien from Pluto. |
| Ok so ... The mother of Ichigo is a slut. |
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| Whoa there! o.o I'm used to Kubo surprises, but now... wtf? I didn't see that coming. Helladank said: Yay for Ichigo being everything in the whole damn manga. LOL, same here. |
| Bach is Ichigo's real father. Didn't saw that coming. |
| lol Kubo The only good thing about this chapter was Aizen. |
| I wouldn't be surprised if Ichigo and Uryuu are cousins now, might explain why their dads seem have to have a connection. I just don't see how Bach could be Ichigo's father. Its been long established that Ichigo has his own shinigami powers, and him and his father both have getsugas. It might be a Lily/Snape thing where Ichigo is the son Bach should have had, or Bach is his grandfather. |
Allecto said: Maybe Ichigo and Isshin are brothers x/.I just don't see how Bach could be Ichigo's father. Its been long established that Ichigo has his own shinigami powers, and him and his father both have getsugas. It might be a Lily/Snape thing where Ichigo is the son Bach should have had, or Bach is his grandfather. |
PutyOct 30, 2012 7:21 AM
| The ending was like star wars lol "Ichigo I am your father" |
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| So, you want to tell me Ichigo now has shinigami powers, hollow powers, fullbring powers AND quinicies powers within him...? Then his ultimate technique would be a bankai full hollow transform form shooting getsugas in shape of swastikas from big ass quincie bow, right... ? Also "... I am your Father!" "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO" -_- |
| I don't think Ichigo is Bach's son but then it would fit Bach family line of super powerful monsters. I think that "you are my son born in darkness" is related to him being born from a Quincy and Shinigami relationship. Quincy are the light when Shinigami are the darkness. "You are my son" translates to Ichigo being born from Quincy mother (maybe Masaki was related to Bach), "Born in the darkness" translates to being born as a Shinigami. Ichigo was Shinigami with hollow split personality, then once he lost his powers he awakened Fullbring (probably due to dormant Quincy powers he inherited from his awesome mother) and now he slowly awakens to his Quincy heritage. Even if Quincy are just humans that trained and learned Quincy art - some of their ability's must be inheritable. Blut Vene is one thing that should be inheritable as it is blood packed with reishi / reiatsu whatever. Masaki could have lost her powers because of her getting pregnant. It could have taken about 9 month for Masaki to loose all her powers to Ichigo - Blood being the transmitter. This could also be reason why Ichigo sisters aren't that strong. They inherited only from father side (Isshin). I can imagine Masaki giving birth to Ichigo. In all that pain and confusion She starts to absorb reishi, maybe her blut goes wild and Ryuken and Isshin notice baby Ichigo reiatsu growing to insane levels. After the birth Masaki has little to no strength left in her and faints. Once She wakes up she is ordinary human with no control over reishi and on reiatsu perception holding little Ichigo. Maybe back then Isshin still had his powers but when Masaki lost hers he used Urahara humanizing gigai to seal his powers (maybe he had it from the start and it took full effect after making Ichigo). Years go by and girls are getting born with less and less shinigami power within them as gigai sealed it all. Back in the early chapters when Uryuu and Ichigo had to fight Menos Grande. Uryuu touched Ichigo and his bow became super large. Maybe it wasn't due to Ichigo insane reiatsu but his dormant reishi absorption power. Ichigo had no control over it and it got channelled to Uryuu. Not sure if I posted it in the last chapter thread (or forgot) but my idea was that Ichigo absorbed Kirge ability's from the jail and here we learn that Ichigo had Quincy powers within him from the start sealed deep inside. Also if you remember Ichigo getting stabbed by reiatsu sword under his heart looked so much like Uryuu getting shot with an Quincy arrow. Zangetsu is broken maybe now the hilt from "BAN" symbol will morph into Quincy cross? |
SleepnDreamnOct 30, 2012 8:18 AM
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SleepnDreamn said: I don't think Ichigo is Bach's son but then it would fit Bach family line of super powerful monsters. I think that "you are my son born in darkness" is related to him being born from a Quincy and Shinigami relationship. Quincy are the light when Shinigami are the darkness. "You are my son" translates to Ichigo being born from Quincy mother (maybe Masaki was related to Bach), "Born in the darkness" translates to being born as a Shinigami. Exactly. I think when Bach said ''son'' he meant that Ichigo has quincy blood, that his mother was a quincy. |
| I find it more plausible that Bach is Ichigo's grandfather than his dad. I often allow a bit of leeway in what manga says as translation and Japanese in general can be twisted to mean quite a few things depending on context. So it looks like Ichigo is a super-breed of all phenomenon in the Bleach world. He is the Kwisatz Haderach. |
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Allecto said: I wouldn't be surprised if Ichigo and Uryuu are cousins now, might explain why their dads seem have to have a connection. Yeah ithink so too. Uryuu dad seems like he detest shinigami to the very core. So i think his sister probably a crazy guest is Ichigo's mother. I hope Bach is his grandfather or something. |
bonifideOct 30, 2012 8:36 AM
| I figured Ichigo's mother might be a quincy, but now it seems like they are just using the plot of Star Wars to progress the story now. Im waiting for them to end the story by saying Ichigo is the spirit king and his powers were just suppressed |
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| Ichigo was never a hollow. It's his power that split into Zangetsu and Hollow. Ichigo nearly died in the shattered shaft. If he haven't found he right ribbon with Zangetsu he would turn into hollow. Because he made it in the last moment his Shinigami / human side became dominant. Zangetsu goal was to protect Ichigo, Hollow goal was to protect Ichigo but by different method. This happened in fight with Ulquiorra. Hollow took over fully to protect Ichigo - why did he give up and regenerate Ichigo once he lost a horn? Maybe that is when Tensa Zangetsu managed to restrain and subjugate his rebellious side. Hollow kept Ichigo alive out of his twisted sense of duty to protect or just cause of survival instinct. Both had same goal in the end. Keep Ichigo safe. In FGT training they merge for the sole reason to protect Ichigo and themselves. Fullbring and Quincy art are probably the same in its source. Quincy have this voldsanding or something. Fullbringers once their power activated changed their outfit. They all used a medium be it the cross, boots or PSP ^_^ Riruka used her gun or heart for the activation. Ginjou had different cross and Shinigami badge. In the end Ichigo is Human born from relationship of Shinigami and Quincy inheriting their powers. Visard, Fullbring are just sub stages in his development. |
| Lol, so much reaction to this ch. I don't think Bach meant that Ichigo is literally his son. Probably referring to something else. This is my speculation: Aizen doing something to Bach, how did he do that when he is supposed to be sealed? I guess that is why Aizen is a war potential. |
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| So he is Ichigo's real father? O_O Ichigo is a ... quincy? D: |
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| This chapter was on another level........ It was like a bomb just blew into your face!! Seriosuly did not see the ending coming. Lol Darth vader, but I hope he's not his real son, Juha just pisses me off. I wonder how it's going ot be explaine hope most of it next chapter. |
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| AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN AIZEN IS ICHIGOS BROTHER HERREDERP But no, Juha is most likely his grandfather or something lol, I am seriously hoping Ichigo doesn't have to go through another extreme power-up again(his sword got sliced in two) ... the power levels in this manga keeps going off the charts. |
| holy fuck, Aizen knew about it from the start....it's all starting to make sense now, why Isshin stopped him and all >:3! lol @ all the people that are still in denial about it also lol that you're completely missing the big picture. from this chapter, Juha is Ichigo's father....the fact that Ichigo is part quincy as well proves it. HOWEVER, his quincy part comes his mother because Juha himself was a shinigami before being a quincy (no quincy can live over a thousand years people, get it through your head already...it's common sense) Look at these panels where Ichigo asks if Juha is the "enemy" Take a look at lord toofsy's reaction....he obviously knew that Ichigo had his facts wrong Also Juha was planning on using words alone to convince him cause after all, he didn't want to hurt his own son. This is further confirmed by toofsy's face reaction when Juha stabbed Ichigo's neck...basically he couldn't believe Bach would do that to his own son. Bach looked more like he was in pain when he stabbed his neck and he left him alive so even if his powers didn't awaken he would still survive the trip to the castle so it wasn't a fatal wound (yeah right, a stab to the throat isn't a fatal wound...oh bleach) But the biggest hits are from the latest chapter His last words, "my son...born in darkness" It means that Ichigo grew up without knowing shit about his real lineage, so he grew up in a world of lies. This also explains why Bach also went to Aizen since Aizen was prob there when Ichigo was born I always wondered why doesn't Isshin go to SS and after reading this chapter I think that he's a traitor....not in the king's eyes but in the eyes of SS's higher-ups. This is what I think happened. Remember that 'pure blood' bs grand fisher was spouting about? Well, I think that even tho shinigami and quincy are teachings, one can be born with quincy OR shinigami blood based on what teaching the soul mastered. As the soul trains, its reiatsu adapts to the teaching in question so if the soul trains in the quincy arts, it'll have quincy reiatsu and if it trains in the shinigami arts, it'll have shinigami reiatsu. That much we know but Bach mentioned something else. So from what Bach was saying, a person can be born a quincy or a shinigami if the father or mother in question mastered the quincy or the shinigami arts since the reiatsu in the genetic material stores itself in the fetus at a DNA level resulting in that child being born with quincy 'blood' or shinigami 'blood' a.k.a 'pure' blood. So based on that if Ichigo's mother was a quincy and the father would be a random human, he would of been born half quincy half human If both parents were quincy, he would have 100% quincy blood (pure blood) In this case Ichigo is born from a quincy and shinigami so he's a hybrid BUT he's still considered 'pure' because his parents were 'pure' bloods and not souls that recently mastered the quincy/shinigami arts. It might be a loooooooooooooooong shot but here's my pov. Bach was the former soul king and was a shinigami by birth. Lord toofsy (Haschwald) was his right hand so that also makes him a shinigami. Along the way Bach fell in love with Ichigo's mother (who was a quincy) and Bach got her pregnant Isshin was part of Bach's royal guard (either his personal guard or a member of squad zero) Somewhere along the lines, news that Bach got Masaki spread and the higher-ups (central 46 most prob) saw their child as an 'abomination' (because they feared the power it would harbor) so they ordered it to be terminated. This didn't sit well with Bach who protested and shit and it got out of hand and before you knew it war broke down on the quincy and shinigami At some point the higher-ups decided to 'relieve' Bach of his duties as 'king' and ordered squad zero to assassinate him. Squad zero stormed the castle at which point Bach had to make a decision. He prob ordered Isshin to look after Masaki and make sure no harm comes to her while he and a few other loyal member made their way somewhere else. That's why Aizen kept saying that the throne is vacant because there currently is no king in SS The IT that Aizen and Urahara were talking about is prob an abomination or something along those lines that act's like a stabilizing agent so that the boundaries don't collapse on each-other. I really don't know how Aizen fits into the picture...he prob learned of his birth or was there when it happened...i dunno. Bach most likely learned the quincy teachings after falling in love with Masaki |
InariusOct 30, 2012 1:43 PM
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chrizo said: AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN AIZEN IS ICHIGOS BROTHER HERREDERP But no, Juha is most likely his grandfather or something lol, I am seriously hoping Ichigo doesn't have to go through another extreme power-up again(his sword got sliced in two) ... the power levels in this manga keeps going off the charts. What about power levels in Naruto? If those are fine then Ichigo's powers are ok too. The more we learn about origin of Ichigo and who his parents really are (shinigami royal family, being related to Bach) the more possible his broken powers become. I hoping that Quincy powers were pushed into Ichigo on his birth. Masaki lost her powers that way and Isshin could FGT to protect them or used Urahara Gigai. |
| the mother part was expected. though didn't expect the "i am your father" stuff.. it'll be good to Finally see what's the story |
| Bleach just went full retard...never go full retard. I know that this would expand on his mom's story, but this is just too stupid |
| Kay so Isshin is ichigo's dad and his mom was a quincy based off what they have shown us previously in the story if his mom was Bache's daughter or had a connection to Bache in any way how did she get killed by a weak hollow like she was that Ichigo could kill while still borrowing Rukia's power. |
shinigami013x said: Kay so Isshin is ichigo's dad and his mom was a quincy based off what they have shown us previously in the story if his mom was Bache's daughter or had a connection to Bache in any way how did she get killed by a weak hollow like she was that Ichigo could kill while still borrowing Rukia's power. I'll keep repeating what I think but She could have lost her powers (all or just major part of them) when being pregnant (having Ichigo in her belly) or when She was giving birth to Ichigo. Most likely Ryuuken was the doctor that was with her then. That is why Ryuuken and Isshin know each other. Loosing majority of her powers would also explain why Karin and Yuzu have such low spiritual perception or maybe that is cause they haven't reached a certain age yet. |
PrometheusZero said: So it looks like Ichigo is a super-breed of all phenomenon in the Bleach world. He is the Kwisatz Haderach. Hello there, fellow Dune fan! BTW, I don't think JB is Ichigo's father. He didn't mean it literally. Inarius said: holy fuck, Aizen knew about it from the start....it's all starting to make sense now, why Isshin stopped him and all >:3! lol @ all the people that are still in denial about it also lol that you're completely missing the big picture. from this chapter, Juha is Ichigo's father....the fact that Ichigo is part quincy as well proves it. HOWEVER, his quincy part comes his mother because Juha himself was a shinigami before being a quincy (no quincy can live over a thousand years people, get it through your head already...it's common sense) Look at these panels where Ichigo asks if Juha is the "enemy" Take a look at lord toofsy's reaction....he obviously knew that Ichigo had his facts wrong Also Juha was planning on using words alone to convince him cause after all, he didn't want to hurt his own son. This is further confirmed by toofsy's face reaction when Juha stabbed Ichigo's neck...basically he couldn't believe Bach would do that to his own son. Bach looked more like he was in pain when he stabbed his neck and he left him alive so even if his powers didn't awaken he would still survive the trip to the castle so it wasn't a fatal wound (yeah right, a stab to the throat isn't a fatal wound...oh bleach) But the biggest hits are from the latest chapter His last words, "my son...born in darkness" It means that Ichigo grew up without knowing shit about his real lineage, so he grew up in a world of lies. This also explains why Bach also went to Aizen since Aizen was prob there when Ichigo was born Wait, what? Former soul king? The problem is, JB was in war with the shinigamis a thousand year ago. I don't think he would be a king after that. |
SasAlexander said: Wait, what? Former soul king? The problem is, JB was in war with the shinigamis a thousand year ago. I don't think he would be a king after that. yes he was in the war but whose to say he wasn't the king before the war took place. |
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| Well, this ensures Royal Guards hating Ichigo and three way war. No way will the "oldschool" shinigami let someone from Bach's family line to survive. Bach was most likely part of some important quincy family line and Ichigo is the grandson of that. It looks more and more likely that Bach might have been soul king who got expelled by whatever "thing" Royal Guards put instead of him. This also would explain Grand Fisher's comments about Ichigo being "of true blood" - of both shinigami and quincy heritage, he is pretty much an unifier and the middle of both sides. And the chance of Aizen and Ichigo tag-teaming Bach goes up yet again. (It would be hilarious on if Aizen is Isshin's brother or something like that.) |
AhenshihaelOct 30, 2012 12:54 PM
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| It seems like it's getting a little far fetched with ichigo being pretty much everything except related to the soul king... |
soren5556 said: It seems like it's getting a little far fetched with ichigo being pretty much everything except related to the soul king... You can hold on to that.XD |
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soren5556 said: It seems like it's getting a little far fetched with ichigo being pretty much everything except related to the soul king... If Ichigo is everything, he might as well be related to Soul King since Soul King is literally start of everything in the universe. |
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| Gayest chapter ever. Ichigo is Manbearpig. Worse than Tobito. |
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