| What do you guys think his power is? I think he might have the 'emperors/conquerors haki', since he obviously knows about it(he warns monet and co that Luffy has awakened it already), but more telling is how he controls people against their will. Like that Baby-5 girl and all the other people he seemed to dominate.. If he has it, then he's obviously one of the strongest in characters in the OP world. No wonder his bounty was so high from the start. I bet he has an even deeper history, since we hardly know anything about it. He's like the Shichibukai that we don't know ANYTHING about(well, we know he's an underground broker, that's about it). He said he also treated Law and thought of him as a younger brother. Maybe he also has the same kind of power Law has? That's how he made Oz's leg fly off? It's like how Law makse peoples bodies just disassemble.. maybe Law learnt that from Donquixote Doflamingo? What do you guys think? It's so simple now that i worked it out, but before this he was a mystery to me. The relationship with Law is probably the most revealing and gave me the idea about them having the same power, except maybe Donquixote Doflamingo also has conquerors haki. Law might have it too, who knows.. i think Law as time goes on will become a bigger and more major player in the new world(compared to the other rookies anyway, and since he's 'allied' with the straw hats at the moment, he's got to get some more screentime and relevance, heh). I think that he might be the one who takes on Doflamingo in the end. Seems like Doflamingo feels betrayed and wants Law dead, and i think Law is too smart to leave someone as Doflamingo alive so that he can continue to try kill Law.. |
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| some wire-wire fruit.. he can cut, and use those wires to jump high (like spiderman or smth) |
| Or puppet-puppet? As a puppeteer I think he can dissasemble whoever he wants and maybe the only condition is that he can see them (no wires needed). In other words sth like telepathy |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
Shaduge said: we never really saw wires and it would be weird if you saw how he stopped some people in the past, so yeah it's probably a puppeteer fruit btw I don't think he has emperor haki, I'm not even sure he has normal haki because with his ability it would be overkill Yeah, wire wire fruit would be pretty lame.. him being a mere puppeteer also seems lame. I'd much rather he got them to do his bidding by blackmail, or something less crude than just pure body takeover.. Because yeah. Body Takeover is probably stronger than conquerors haki, since that just knocks people out or scares them.. i've never seen it actually control people against their will and even make them kill themselves or their friends.. Also, if he doesn't have conqueror haki, then his 'normal' haki level must be pretty high, since Monet fears him and i think she has Haki too. Basically everyone he hangs around with fears him(cept maybe Mihawk). Even the other Shichibukai didnt want him around. I wonder what HIS intentions are for being a Shichibukai. I doubt it's ideological.. heh. I also wonder what he did int he past to make him have like the highest bounty( and this was awhile ago too, like from the start..). So i'm guessing that yeah. He is overpowered, but that's only because Oda always built him up to be that powerful. But yeah. You guys don't think he might share the same ability as Law?O r something similar? I mean, only law is the other person who can kind of do the same kind of moves that Doflamigo did to Oz.. like when he cut his foot off. Law can do ROOM and also make body parts split in half and go everywhere right? Doflamingo also said that he trained law and looked at his like a little brother(although he makes it sound like he knew that it was inevitable and only a matter of time before Law was gonna betray him). I also really want him to let monet go. It's obvious that she has the hots for Luffy.. i mean, she does a HUGGING attack on him that made him feel so good that he almost fell asleep.. lol. She also refused to let him go and it seemed like he blushed.. heh Monet for new straw hat! That's if zoro doesn't kill her first in the next chapter haha |
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| Doflamingo has something related to controlling people. Like mentioned earlier it could be the puppet fruit. It was shown many times that he can control people. 1. bellamy and the sword person... 2. When Blackbeard was nominated for Shishibukai position, he controlled two marines and made them attack each other. 3. during the war.... he made marines fight against each other... It's definitely not wires. It's some puppet type of power. I have a feeling though that if you're strong enough mentally and with enough will power, you can avoid his control... but he is gonna be a hard opponent to beat nonetheless... I wonder how it'll go down and what exactly are the rules for his devil fruit |
 a puppeter who controls people, can't 'cut' things.. especially giant legs..(there was blood, so there obviously wasn't a 'Law' type thing where you can move the parts of bodies) and the incredible high jump... wire-wire explains 90% of everything right now.. we'll see what Oda has in mind.. |
| Maybe not wires, but what about strings? A puppeteer controls puppets via strings, and it would explain a lot really IMO. Strings are thin enough to "look" invisible but could be sharp enough to cut things with enough strength (and Doflamingo is obviously pretty strong). He uses his strings to connect to someone and control them. What do you guys think of that theory? |
| A match made in heaven set the fires in hell |
OGHelios said: Maybe not wires, but what about strings? A puppeteer controls puppets via strings, and it would explain a lot really IMO. Strings are thin enough to "look" invisible but could be sharp enough to cut things with enough strength (and Doflamingo is obviously pretty strong). He uses his strings to connect to someone and control them. What do you guys think of that theory? I think it's identical to the wire-thing. smokes said: a puppeter who controls people, can't 'cut' things.. especially giant legs..(there was blood, so there obviously wasn't a 'Law' type thing where you can move the parts of bodies) and the incredible high jump... wire-wire explains 90% of everything right now.. we'll see what Oda has in mind.. A shadow carrying you soul and power doesn't make sense either unless you consider Oda's figurative way of creating powers. In that sense: a puppeteer can decapitate and cripple his puppets at will. I understand your reasoning and it has a higher chance of being true, but unless he can stick his wires to the sky his huge jump can't be explained with wires(cuz he was standing on the highest ground at that momment). The only other explanation for the jump is sheer leg power(which is not uncommon in OP) and when his kick clashed with Crocodile's hook it raised a good ruckus. |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
| Hes definitely going to be the most powerful person the straw hats have faced if/when they do face him. Personally hes one of my favourite characters and i have always expected big things from him and for him to be really powerful, i think he has haki without a doubt as it seems most of the powerful people have it by default, also virgo is about to fight smoker which means virgo must have haki and i doubt the captain of virgo wouldnt be able to use it also this is the new world now, no haki means any logia user would fuck you up so if you dont have it you can forget surviving :) His bounty i would imagine is because he is a massive underworld broker, not sure how he got started though. his power i would imagine to be the string type thing or maybe just telepathic control but over this i think hes going to have incredible physical fighting ability as well and i think its a given that he can at least the 2 regular forms of haki, conqueror haki is questionable though. a great villain and by far the strongest opponent they have seen so far if he is going to fight them which seems inevitable right now :) |
| Does anyone else need a doctor to confirm that someone without a head is dead? |
jimbob1141 said: Hes definitely going to be the most powerful person the straw hats have faced if/when they do face him. I think that title will stick with Aokiji or Kizaru for a while. However, I feel Doflamingo is a greater threat because of his "nature". |
| about that huge jump on Oz fight.. again i guess he used his wire/strings on Oz itself and made the jump.. just like a spiderman to make that clear.. there's no other logical explanation... though damn, its poitless to discuss it now xD just time wasted we will wait and see. |
| The very first time I ever saw Doflamingo I thought, puppet. Not sure why, but I swear I did. Just something about him. And his ability really reminds me of the hair chick from inuyasha or the string guy from getbackers, so I'm sure it's some type of string type ability. And Oda is a genius when it comes to making the most out of abilities with the people who actually use it right. Some people have awesome abilities (Buggy) but can't do anything decent with it, and others who have lame abilities (Luffy) can make them seem epic. So I'm sure super jumping and even flying, can be achieved with strings if well thought out. |
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-Shuda- said: jimbob1141 said: Hes definitely going to be the most powerful person the straw hats have faced if/when they do face him. I think that title will stick with Aokiji or Kizaru for a while. However, I feel Doflamingo is a greater threat because of his "nature". I forgot about them, but i kind of mean in a proper arc where hes actually the villain and they actually fight with him having a chance :D contradictory to point but hey :D -Shuda- said: jimbob1141 said: Hes definitely going to be the most powerful person the straw hats have faced if/when they do face him. I think that title will stick with Aokiji or Kizaru for a while. However, I feel Doflamingo is a greater threat because of his "nature". Yeah true forgot about those, but i mean in a situation where they can win :D contradictory to the point but hey :D i guess you could the most powerful main villain they will have faced, because aokiji wasnt really for long just a quick raping XD |
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| okok jimbo we see you like him, he's one of the greatest villians till now or will be, I'll give u that :D :D Also, about the fruit speculation, I'm not sure whether it's wire or puppeter, I support both theories BUT I would like to add that it being a power where there is no physical interference between his victim and him I would guess the biggest flaw of that DF is not being able to imbue Haki into it. So his haki is only useful when fighting bare-handed (and we all know most op characters are way stronger in close combat than him) Ofc, he can have "mantra" anytime and it can be useful (as we saw then baby-5 attacked him) and I guess he stacked that kind of haki to max instead of I dont know, armaments or conquerors (conq. being a little too big for him, and armaments seeing how he never used it till now) Also, he chopped Croc's head of in the war of the best and it seems he can't control logia types, he can just chop them or whatever he's doing with his "wires"/"telepathy" |
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kiDnameDSkia said: okok jimbo we see you like him, he's one of the greatest villians till now or will be, I'll give u that :D :D Also, about the fruit speculation, I'm not sure whether it's wire or puppeter, I support both theories BUT I would like to add that it being a power where there is no physical interference between his victim and him I would guess the biggest flaw of that DF is not being able to imbue Haki into it. So his haki is only useful when fighting bare-handed (and we all know most op characters are way stronger in close combat than him) Ofc, he can have "mantra" anytime and it can be useful (as we saw then baby-5 attacked him) and I guess he stacked that kind of haki to max instead of I dont know, armaments or conquerors (conq. being a little too big for him, and armaments seeing how he never used it till now) Also, he chopped Croc's head of in the war of the best and it seems he can't control logia types, he can just chop them or whatever he's doing with his "wires"/"telepathy" Yeah im a fan of his hehe :D i dont think we are really going to be waiting for that long to find out how powerful he really is, i hope anyways :) just wish he didnt have loads of breaks, waiiting 2 weeks for a chapter kills me >.< |
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| I'm calling it right now. Donquixote D. Oflamingo |
-Jinsei- said: I'm calling it right now. Donquixote D. Oflamingo lol, that's a good one. but i already said i thought he had conquerors haki, so you're a bit late to the party :P I also read some interesting stuff in a YT comment before.. Donflamingo uses his ring and index to 'cut', and the other two fingers to 'control'(or vice versa, since he lowers the other two and keeps the other up, so depends on which you consider him 'using') You can see it in his battle with Crocodile and Diamond Jozu @ Marineford battle. Doesn't really tell you much, but it's better than nothing heh Here, this clip shows it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5FtYKadnTE Him being able to control Diamond Jozu(who held off/injured admirals as well as Crocodile), but then Doflamingo just rides him and controls him like a dog lol. POWERFUL! If he can control Diamond Jozu, that's pretty huge imho. That's like Marco level.. and we know Marco is Haki resistant, or at least for Shanks meeting with WB. Jozu also must have haki, since he can hurt Logias.. This would probably put a dint in the "if you're mentally strong, you can avoid it", and maybe it's because Jozu's attention was on Crocodile. This means that you need to be on your game and you don't get automatic protection just because you're mentally/physically strong, but then again, this is one piece, so trying to be logical in predictions will probably never work out haha So basically Doflamingo is admiral level, or ABOVE. I also think of Garp as being above the current admirals in a head up fight(or at his peak), but i have no idea how that would play out in an actual fight. Maybe similar to Rayleigh vs Kizaru. |
ex0Oct 8, 2012 3:28 PM
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| I'm pretty sure Doflamingo doesn't have Conquerors haki. The way he reacted to Luffy having it was more on the lines of, "wow, that kid has it!?". Not, "Oh? That kid has it too?" I don't know. Just the way he took it, didn't seem to me he had it. But not like there's anything which supports either sides yet so, we'll see. |
AnimePoopOct 8, 2012 7:12 PM
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ex0 said: -Jinsei- said: I'm calling it right now. Donquixote D. Oflamingo lol, that's a good one. but i already said i thought he had conquerors haki, so you're a bit late to the party :P I also read some interesting stuff in a YT comment before.. Donflamingo uses his ring and index to 'cut', and the other two fingers to 'control'(or vice versa, since he lowers the other two and keeps the other up, so depends on which you consider him 'using') You can see it in his battle with Crocodile and Diamond Jozu @ Marineford battle. Doesn't really tell you much, but it's better than nothing heh Here, this clip shows it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5FtYKadnTE Him being able to control Diamond Jozu(who held off/injured admirals as well as Crocodile), but then Doflamingo just rides him and controls him like a dog lol. POWERFUL! If he can control Diamond Jozu, that's pretty huge imho. That's like Marco level.. and we know Marco is Haki resistant, or at least for Shanks meeting with WB. Jozu also must have haki, since he can hurt Logias.. This would probably put a dint in the "if you're mentally strong, you can avoid it", and maybe it's because Jozu's attention was on Crocodile. This means that you need to be on your game and you don't get automatic protection just because you're mentally/physically strong, but then again, this is one piece, so trying to be logical in predictions will probably never work out haha So basically Doflamingo is admiral level, or ABOVE. I also think of Garp as being above the current admirals in a head up fight(or at his peak), but i have no idea how that would play out in an actual fight. Maybe similar to Rayleigh vs Kizaru. I might be wrong, but I just don't see Doflamingo at admiral level. He's probably little under admiral level, and above vice admiral, so in the middle. I just don't see him standing much of a chance against Akainu or Aokiji or even Kizaru. He's definitely powerful, but until we see proof of just how powerful he is, I don't think he's admiral level. Put it this way, I would say Doflamingo is about as powerful as Blackbeard, maybe not even BB level. Just my opinion, and Blackbeard still ran like a chicken when he heard Akainu was nearby. BB will eventually be at Admiral level, but the series still has a long ways to go before then. |
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| well*, we don't know how he's doing now since it's after timeskip, maybe he powered up above admiral (although Akainu is now fleet admiral so he should've be stronger too) Also, I think Doflamingo is the strongest shicibukai which says a lot, but far from admiral lvl still. Above vice for sure because his second in hand is a vice-admiral above average vice-admiral strength |
| This world is mine. I think this world may even just be a long, long dream I'm watching. You guys may just be illusions, and it can't be proven whether or not you really exist either. In other words, this world was created with me at the center. So what will happen if I die? I don't know. My imagination isn't very creative; I just can't imagine myself dying. In other words, there is no way this world can completely disappear. But if I die, then everyone will disappear. I am the only one in this world who won't disappear. The rest are just people I see as if in a dream. -Claire Stanfield, Baccano! |
luffydragneel said: I might be wrong, but I just don't see Doflamingo at admiral level. He's probably little under admiral level, and above vice admiral, so in the middle. I just don't see him standing much of a chance against Akainu or Aokiji or even Kizaru. He's definitely powerful, but until we see proof of just how powerful he is, I don't think he's admiral level. Put it this way, I would say Doflamingo is about as powerful as Blackbeard, maybe not even BB level. Just my opinion, and Blackbeard still ran like a chicken when he heard Akainu was nearby. BB will eventually be at Admiral level, but the series still has a long ways to go before then. I think Admirals are strong at Sea and of course in general because they are logia's, but vs people that can take on Haki users, i think they aren't that great. It also depends purely on their powers.. because i think Jozu can take on all the Admirals probably 1on1, he seems to be very strong vs logia's. Don't forget that Garp is also vice admiral.. so i don't think the rankings really say that much. Sengoku was fleet admiral, and i'm not sure he's stronger than the admirals, or maybe he's just old and he can throw cannon balls with Haki and sink ships instantly and he can also swim across oceans, kill sea kings with his bare hands without running out of energy.. I don't think Donflamingo would be the type to lose out to any Admiral, i mean he disrespects the WHOLE NAVY and world gov, if he wasn't admiral level or he couldn't handle himself at the Shichibukai meetings, i doubt he would go. He also acts like the most cocky of all the Shichibukai, even controlling vice admirals and toying with them at mariejoe(?), and this was before time skip. But we don't know anything about his power yet. Imo he easily handled Crocodile, who is logia. He seems to be REALLY fast and can jump really high and do all these acrobatic moves, he can control Diamond Jozu with nothing more than raising his hand, while Diamond Jozu hurt even Aokiji, as well as Crocodile, and he also took in Mihawk, who i think is also one of the strongest Shichibukai, or one of the strongest people in OP for that matter. And to me, Mihawk is on shanks level.. but granted, Mihawk did not really go all out, but i could be mistaken, since he was aiming for WB, and i doubt he would have done a weak attack vs the worlds strongest man.. So just imagine Don Flamingo controls someone like Diamond Jozu, or anyone else. That might be his main power, maybe like Kabuto and his ressurection thing. Kind of a puppeteer in a sense, but i think he also has other powers. |
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| And also, i can't believe you think BB is not admiral level. He took on WB FFS! He can take more beating than anyone in the whole series probably, and that's even at double the damage absorbed. Now consider that he has WB's power, his own fruit, and he can get MORE, and i think that puts him as prime contender for strongest man in OP right now. WB was supposed to be the strongest man int he world, and now BB has his power! So if you think don quixote is on BB level or just below, that's a really high compliment imo. Especially post time skip, BB is a yonkou! And you think a yonkou can't take on an admiral or is below admiral? |
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ex0 said: And also, i can't believe you think BB is not admiral level. He took on WB FFS! He can take more beating than anyone in the whole series probably, and that's even at double the damage absorbed. Now consider that he has WB's power, his own fruit, and he can get MORE, and i think that puts him as prime contender for strongest man in OP right now. WB was supposed to be the strongest man int he world, and now BB has his power! So if you think don quixote is on BB level or just below, that's a really high compliment imo. Especially post time skip, BB is a yonkou! And you think a yonkou can't take on an admiral or is below admiral? To be fair, WB had already taken on the entirety of the marines pretty much at that point, and he still managed to pin BB down by the neck. BB's crew is who finished off WB, but Akainu did most of the damage. Also, BB more or less stalemated with Ace, but his ability was able to outlast and eventually absorb Ace's, and Ace was just a division commander under WB. So before the time-skip, he was definitely below admiral level imo. It's true that now he's far more powerful, but I still put him under FA. I can totally be wrong, I just imagine Akainu being a bit above BB at this point. Aokiji is very close to Akainu in power, so I would put BB below him too. That's two admirals (though one is FA now) that I would still put him below. As for Kizaru, that's tough. I would guess that Light>Darkness, but the Quake fruit would probably give BB the advantage over Kizaru. I could be wrong, this is just the way I've imagined things. Though it's very possible that all of the admirals are nearly equal in power, which would mean BB could be above them all. Who knows. Also, as we've seen time and time again, the person makes the ability, not the other way around. He may have some of the best abilities, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's the strongest. Though I just read that BB gave shanks his 3 scars, so that's new info for me. Considering this, he may be very close to the top, but I still have doubts. Another note, is that it's still uncertain if BB can use Haki. We only know that he can recognize it. |
luffydragneelOct 9, 2012 6:03 PM
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| Anyways, sorry for getting off topic there, lol. It's really hard to say exactly where Doflamingo stands, because we haven't seen enough really. The feats you mentioned are impressive, but I don't think they're enough to base any solid assumptions as to where he ranks among the elite in OP. |
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| BB is a D. I think that pretty much guarantees he has some haki, if not emperors(thought i doubt it, since WB said he was not the one to replace roger, but at least that means he's on Rogers level, and will probably be luffys final fight i think.. or one of them). I have a feeling BB will kill shanks somehow, and Luffy will have to revenge for it, maybe taking Shanks spot as Yonkou. to be fair, WB had a hole in his body, was on his knees, and still grabbed Aikanu too and owned him, so that doesn't really say BB is weak, just that WB is mega strong. But i think Akainu took more damage than BB from WB's attack. Also, the way BB is, he's like Luffy. He's a D. He doesn't take things seriously, and it seems he's playful and he likes to take damage. You can't really compare his fight with Ace, because they were ex crew, same as WB. I think only WB is stronger than BB, but even then, BB's power cancelled out WB's. So they are basically fighting on raw strength, and i think BB is pretty damn strong too since he's a D. Way stronger than Ace or anyone else. He's probably like garp or just below in raw strength/endurance, but because of his nature(he tends to act like an idiot after getting 'damaged' like when he lets ace stab him with the fire spears lol). But he's not really damaged in any of them. Just gets dirty lol. As for the admirals, i think they are all equal. They just have different elements, which work better in different situations, although i do think Kizaru is the weakest, but the most cunning. I think Aokiji is the best at sea(for obvious reasons), and Akainu is best in straight up fight. Kizaru is like all rounder. Yes, he gave shanks his scars, and this was AGES ago. So that means he was shanks level BEFORE he fought ace, which imo means he was just playing with Ace. He definietely showed no fear when Ace found him, even though they were crewmates. I think he got offered Ace's position, but turned it down.. BB is definitely shanks level, if he can fight shanks and give him the scars, and this was when BB was still in WB's crew i think. |
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| Oh i forgot.. Ben Beckman. He easily scared Kizaru.. so if shanks second can scare Kizaru, then i'm sure a yonkou captain like BB should be able to. It's like Jozu and Marco, they should also be able to take on admirals theoretically, but i think Jozu might have an easier time.. they made Marco seem kind of weak in the marineford battle. I expected much more from WB's second. |
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ex0 said: Oh i forgot.. Ben Beckman. He easily scared Kizaru.. so if shanks second can scare Kizaru, then i'm sure a yonkou captain like BB should be able to. It's like Jozu and Marco, they should also be able to take on admirals theoretically, but i think Jozu might have an easier time.. they made Marco seem kind of weak in the marineford battle. I expected much more from WB's second. True, I hope to see more from Marco, as I'm sure we will judging by WB's last orders for his crew. His ability is soo freaking awesome though. I mean Zoan-Type of the Phoenix. How cool is that? About Beckman, that always confused me. Kizaru is a logia, so a bullet should pass right through him. He must have special bullets made from Kairoseki. Pretty cool actually. Anyways, we need to make a new thread for the current power tiers in One Piece right now. I always love reading those, and I haven't seen one in a while. I'm curious to see how everyone places the OP hierarchy at this point. |
luffydragneelOct 9, 2012 7:04 PM
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| Admiral "level" is being seriously underestimated here. Neither Kizaru nor Aokiji even got serious at that war. Holding off an admiral for a little while =/= being able to defeat one. Akainu is the only one who got serious and he went toe-to-toe with Whitebeard for a bit. Not to mention he got up after every single beating and challenged the remaining Whitebeard pirates like Marco, Jozu and even Crocodile and Jimbei all at once, even after all the hits he took. He and Aokiji have permanently affected the climate at an island after a battle of 7/10 days. If whitebeard couldn't put down Akainu, no shichibukai (yeah even you Mihawk) is taking down an admiral. They have too much experience, Haki, Logia, physical durability/strength and are just plain overwhelming. It took 7/10 days for a battle to conclude between 2. Doflamingo is going to be a threat because of his tricky powers, mind-games and traps. In a fair 1 on 1, any admiral should be able to decimate him. I thought the war of the best and battle between Aokiji and Akainu clarified that. If a direct hit from Whitebeard that destroyed an island couldn't take down Akainu, nothing currently in One Piece that we've seen so far can. |
Kayaba-Oct 9, 2012 10:34 PM
-Shuda- said: Admiral "level" is being seriously underestimated here. Neither Kizaru nor Aokiji even got serious at that war. Holding off an admiral for a little while =/= being able to defeat one. Akainu is the only one who got serious and he went toe-to-toe with Whitebeard for a bit. Not to mention he got up after every single beating and challenged the remaining Whitebeard pirates like Marco, Jozu and even Crocodile and Jimbei all at once, even after all the hits he took. He and Aokiji have permanently affected the climate at an island after a battle of 7/10 days. If whitebeard couldn't put down Akainu, no shichibukai (yeah even you Mihawk) is taking down an admiral. They have too much experience, Haki, Logia, physical durability/strength and are just plain overwhelming. It took 7/10 days for a battle to conclude between 2. Doflamingo is going to be a threat because of his tricky powers, mind-games and traps. In a fair 1 on 1, any admiral should be able to decimate him. I thought the war of the best and battle between Aokiji and Akainu clarified that. If a direct hit from Whitebeard that destroyed an island couldn't take down Akainu, nothing currently in One Piece that we've seen so far can. ^ This. That's basically what I've been saying. I think the admirals are the strongest people in OP right now, aside from the legends like Roger and WB. We still don't know where Dragon stands though. |
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-Shuda- said: Admiral "level" is being seriously underestimated here. Neither Kizaru nor Aokiji even got serious at that war. Holding off an admiral for a little while =/= being able to defeat one. Akainu is the only one who got serious and he went toe-to-toe with Whitebeard for a bit. Not to mention he got up after every single beating and challenged the remaining Whitebeard pirates like Marco, Jozu and even Crocodile and Jimbie all at once, even after all the hits he took. Well, you can say not many of them got serious. Only WB, and Luffy and a few others. THe rest were just playing around, or didn't even fight(like Garp). Also, if the admirals are as powerful as we thought, then even injuring one or two, let alone being able to defend against one is no mean feat. I admit Akainu is strong, but WB owned him, even injured. If Shanks is WB's level, and he should be from their previous confrontation, then Shanks should be admiral level, but i'm guessing he's higher(on WB tier for 1on1, but not as much of a world destroyer, but who knows). He and Aokiji have permanently affected the climate at an island after a battle of 7/10 days. That doesn't say how they would do against anyone else. That just shows they are polar opposites and are a good match for each other. Why do you say "if WB couldn't put down an Admiral".. he did. Akainu. If he wasn't injured, and it was 1on1 and Akainu could not run(or fall down a cliff like he died lol), then WB would have finished him easily. Even with a hole in his chest, he made Akainu fear, and rightfully so. WB also gave it to BB, and BB absorbed his power, so that means BB is also admiral level or above it since he didn't get owned as hard. He also cancelled out WB's backhand with one hand, the same one that owned Akainu.. If whitebeard couldn't put down Akainu, no shichibukai (yeah even you Mihawk) is taking down an admiral. They have too much experience, Haki, Logia, physical durability/strength and are just plain overwhelming. It took 7/10 days for a battle to conclude between 2. I'm sure WB can. He just sent Akainu flying down a cliff and didn't feel like jumping in to finish the job lol. And how can you discount Mihawk? He's definietely the same level as Shanks. You think Shanks cannot beat an admiral, or isn't even admiral level? I admit the admirals are strong, but i think the Yonkous are easily a match for them. Or perhaps even above them, since Ben Beckman scared Kizaru with just his haki gun like i said ealier. 7 days is nothing, same thing for Ace/BB. Just shows they are equal in strength and have good endurance, nothing more. But people on that level all have hardcore endurance. Even Rayleigh, when past his peak, swam oceans to get to that women only Island to train luffy.. Doflamingo is going to be a threat because of his tricky powers, mind-games and traps. In a fair 1 on 1, any admiral should be able to decimate him. I thought the war of the best and battle between Aokiji and Akainu clarified that. Yeah, that's your only real claim, and i think it's rather weak.. but they are strong of course. But i don't think that battle in itself proves anything in regards to how strong they are vs others. There is no way i see Mihawk losing to Kizaru, who i think is the weakest. Also, i'm sure Mihawk can cut through logia's with Haki etc. Also, if Rayleigh can take on Kizaru, i'm sure Garp can too. So i put Garp and Rayleigh above the admirals.. or at least pre time skip. Garp and Rayleigh and Sengoku might be too old now, let's hope not :P If a direct hit from Whitebeard that destroyed an island couldn't take down Akainu, nothing currently in One Piece that we've seen so far can. BB can destroy Akainu imo. What about law even? If they get within distance, they are goners, as Smoker said(also logia). I think Donflamingo is also dangerous, but no one knows how strong his power is vs someone with high haki/mental fortitude yet, although it seemed like he EASILY controlled Diamond Jozu, which as i said before, is damn impressive in it's own right. ^ This. That's basically what I've been saying. I think the admirals are the strongest people in OP right now, aside from the legends like Roger and WB. We still don't know where Dragon stands though. What about the Yonkou? You have not even seen them in power, apart from WB. If WB is the strongest man in the world, i'm sure his rivals would also have to be pretty damn strong.. especially Shanks, and also his crew, ie Ben Beckman and co. I think Beckman can probably win vs Kizaru or other admirals even.. I also think Garp is still stronger than the Admirals. I mean, he seemed like the last line of defense and he utterly owned Marco. We also don't know where Donflamingo and Mihawk power/level/rank/skills/, because IMO we haven't seen them serious yet. LASTLY.. what about Jimbei? At sea, you think he will lose to Akainu? Or Kizaru? Ie ship to ship? Aokiji might own Jimbei by freezing the water, but maybe Jimbei's control of water is greater than Aokiji turning it into ice.. And i really don't know how Akainu doesn't lose to Aokiji. All he has to do is ice Akainu, when he melts it, he has seawater around him, thus negating his powers.. It all depends on location, individual stylistic matchups, and other things.. like their crew + friends. EDIT: So yeahy. It's al speculation, but from what we DO know or at leat can agree wiiith |
ex0Oct 10, 2012 12:14 PM
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| Well, I agree for the most of it. Admirals are in the same time overstimated and underestimated, we have Marco going on pair with Kizaru, Jozu with Aokiji (they beat 'em because of one moment of distraction), also we saw WB stopping every one of them during the fight. It's all about the situation and surroundings |
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| @ex0 Not once did I say that Shanks was less than an admiral. Power-scaling-wise, Shanks = An old uninjured Whitebeard (approximately). Akainu was fighting an injured Whitebeard but nonetheless, still Whitebeard. He sent an Island destroying blast through Akainu's flesh and bones, but Akainu did NOT die. I don't care if Whitebeard won that round, I'm just saying, he couldn't put Akainu down for more than a few minutes NOR render him useless for battle. Akainu got up and continued fighting, that is not being put down, that is called durability. Technically, 2, or potentially 3 if you count Blackbeard can be put above Admiral level in terms of overall power. Shanks, Whitebeard and Blackbeard(new one, by "potential"). We don't currently know enough about the other Yonkou, Dragon or those hidden in the Government to make any statements. As I mentioned above, Garp was to Roger as Smoker is to Luffy. I/we would put him at about Rayleigh level, and we know Rayleigh couldn't defeat Kizaru, but he could hold him off and get a few clean hits in. - Jimbei got swatted like a fly by an Akainu that wasn't even targetting him, end of story. (Though as you mention, it would be different in water, but why would an admiral get in that situation? They have more than enough intelligence and experience) - Mihawk is a wild-card, we don't know if he and Shanks are actually equals, but we do know they sparred in their younger days. Also, it's pretty clear he too didn't get serious at all at the war. Also, the fact that you said ex0 said: Proves once again my point. Admirals are not just about their element/logia, there are far too many other factors like Rokushiki, Haki, experience, tactics etc. There is no guaranteed victor in a top-tier One Piece fight.And i really don't know how Akainu doesn't lose to Aokiji. All he has to do is ice Akainu, when he melts it, he has seawater around him, thus negating his powers.. |
Kayaba-Oct 10, 2012 9:48 AM
| Yeah. It's fun to talk about though, even though we're probably all wrong. But i agree with you for the most part(except the why would admirals go to sea part). This is why i love one piece.. anything can happen, and everyone can potentially beat anyone. If Sanji got pissed off enough because of a woman, he can probably beat an admiral lol. I just have one thing to add.. You asked why would an admiral go out to Sea? They are ADMIRALs. It's their job.. that's why i think Aokiji is probably the strongest, or at least at Sea, and since it's One Piece and not a land Shounen, they are always near the Sea or they should be sailing on it nonstop.. How else would they catch Jimbei if they had to? How would they catch pirates on boats or chase them? Remember when he was a Sea Pirate, or remember when Akainu went to that Island to catch BB and Jewelly Bonney was there? Yeah, he was on a ship then. If Jimbei intercepted him and sunk his ship frmo underwater, what can Aikanu do? Once he's in water, it's game over for him vs Jimbei. Unless he can still do his lava attacks IN SEA WATER. But yeah. With all this in mind, Fishman pirates would have probably worried the marines the most.. you guys think? I think Aokiji is the PIRATE HUNTER, or the best warrior when at Sea on on a boat. I think pirates would fear the sight of him coming for them, more than Akainu(although of course he's still own most of them). But no one will escape from Aokiji, or at least not by sea. Jimbei can also surprise them one day. We've already seen Aikanu go to sea like i said. And i really doubt fleet admiral Aikanu or other admirals(or rather, devil fruit users) would be scared to go to sea.. when they SHOULD! because that's the easiest way to kill them or best place to fight them.. underwater and sink their ship! That's why Law is smart. He has submarine lol Only Sanji can do fire attacks underwater(his diablo jamble, heh). One piece physics! Like i said, Sanji is powerful.. haha. Don't mess with his women. His hearing is so good he can hear a tear drop from a mile away! But i think it only works for pretty maidens. lol. Lastly.. question about Kizaru. Is he holding back or what? He's supposed to be light, and light is supposed to be POWERFUL, or at least fast.. like fast as the speed of light. Can he like move at the speed of light? Or i wonder how Kizaru's power works. Because at the start i thought light would be like an ultimate Logia, but it seems like he's the weakest admiral. But looks can be decieving, as well as rank(Akainu being Fleet admiral, like Garp being vice admiral, and i think he was/is probably the strongest marine. Maybe even now, since he seems to have aged well, when compared to like WB, or King Nepture lol). Oh yeah. With those 'power shots, many can do it. Even sanji can do it, but granted, he needs an object. Check out his mutton shot.. and how far the guy goes flying. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBtbpfpkhfQ And yeah. People go through walls nonstop and they all seem to have 'high durability'. So it's not just Akainu, but everyone. Blackbeard has higher or the highest durability imo, since like i said, he takes double the damage, and he's not even worried most of the time. Even after he gets kicked lol. But you're right. Akainu is one of the most durable, strongest, and toughest and also most ruthless SOB's in OP. Even more so now that he's fleet admiral. Personally i think that job should of went to Aokiji, but maybe Aokiji is needed in battle, and fleet admiral doesn't fight unlses he has to, and rather he just does boring paperwork stuff ilke how Sengoku is fleet admiral, but Garp is the 'warrior' and 'hero'. But even tactically, aokiji seems smarter. But very lazy i guess, so he may have turned down the job offer, only to not want to see Akainu get it. With his Ice freezing ocean power, Aokiji could devastate everyone, including submarines, like how he tried to stop Law. Like i said earlier, Aikanu would be hard pressed to win vs underwater dudes who just sink his ship, like say, the fishman pirates or sun pirates with Jimbei on board. For Aikanu to lose like that would be sad. But it would be realistic. But yeah, i got a feeling that won't happen, because it would make fishmen/merfolk invincible.. and people would start wondering why where there aren't more |
ex0Oct 10, 2012 7:02 PM
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ex0 said: Lastly.. question about Kizaru. Is he holding back or what? He's supposed to be light, and light is supposed to be POWERFUL, or at least fast.. like fast as the speed of light. Can he like move at the speed of light? Or i wonder how Kizaru's power works. Because at the start i thought light would be like an ultimate Logia, but it seems like he's the weakest admiral. But looks can be decieving, as well as rank(Akainu being Fleet admiral, like Garp being vice admiral, and i think he was/is probably the strongest marine. Maybe even now, since he seems to have aged well, when compared to like WB, or King Nepture lol). It has been stated that Kizaru's attacks can move at the speed of light. The drawback, is light can only move one direction at a time, so his attacks can't change direction once he's started the motion. He can however, reflect his attacks off reflective surfaces. I would say there are a couple reasons for him seeming weak in comparison to Aokiji and Akainu. For one, he always seems to be playing, and sarcastic. I don't know if we've ever seen him take anything seriously. Like Shuda said,in the war hardly any of the major powers in marineford took it seriously. The reason Akainu seems way more powerful in comparison (though he probably is) is because he did get serious in the war, and because of his nature, he is just way more ruthless and aggressive. The same with Aokiji. Even though he's also really laid back, his power like you said, absolutely wrecks in the ocean. So without even getting serious, Aokiji could easily sink a fleet of ships. Now take Kizaru. We haven't seen anything in the way of major destruction from him. His attacks seem more like laser beams, so it would be much more work for him to sink a fleet of ships. I think when we really see him get serious(And I don't think he was even really serious when he went up against Rayleigh) he'll be able to at least hang with the other two admirals somewhat. ex0 said: But you're right. Akainu is one of the most durable, strongest, and toughest and also most ruthless SOB's in OP. Even more so now that he's fleet admiral. Personally i think that job should of went to Aokiji, but maybe Aokiji is needed in battle, and fleet admiral doesn't fight unlses he has to, and rather he just does boring paperwork stuff ilke how Sengoku is fleet admiral, but Garp is the 'warrior' and 'hero'. I'm not sure what you mean here when you say that maybe Aokiji is needed in battle? Because he's no longer a marine, he stepped away because he didn't want to work under Akainu. This is why me, and lots of other people, are hoping to see him join the "dark side". And also how you said Aokiji should have beaten Akainu. Think of it this way, they fought on Punk Hazard, which more or less, is land, giving Akainu the slight advantage. Yes it is surrounding by water, but aokiji has to work that much more to bring the water onto land for his mass ice attacks and such. Had it been on the sea, I don't see how Akainu would have stood a chance. I may be the only one, but I actually expect a rematch later in the series. |
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| im not expecting a rematch at least not one that leaves akainu dead, thats luffies job :D akainu in marineford made it rain lava fists i mean that is gonna take out a fleet of ships pretty easily if you ask me. It would be awesome to see aokiji fight allied with luffy or even against :) i do think he will appear again at some point i dont think oda would just have him leave the marines then write him off xD |
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| you overestimate too much. Rayleigh could've beat Kizaru, or atleast it would've been a tight match. 2nd: Ace fought on equal grounds with Aokiji (well obv. it's a matter of counter logias ace beeing the perfect counterpick against aokiji, but still.) 3rd: Kizaru didin't show enough? LOL he beat 10 out of 12 supernovas in a couple of shots. He probably can't do that now with them lvling, or couldn't in his last state we saw him, but pls consider everyone leveling up, not just the pirates. That means the marines are a whole new level |
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| Yeah Aokiji is one of my favorite characters. I only foresee a rematch because all signs(especially with the latest chapter where Caesar mentions akainu would be interested in hits weapon) point to akainu becoming a tyrant. Aokiji even left the marines altogether just because he didn't wanna work under him. I agree that luffy will be the one to defeat akainu but I believe aokiji may get another shot too. I wouldn't be surprised to see aokiji allying with dragon to take down the government. |
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kiDnameDSkia said: you overestimate too much. Rayleigh could've beat Kizaru, or atleast it would've been a tight match. 2nd: Ace fought on equal grounds with Aokiji (well obv. it's a matter of counter logias ace beeing the perfect counterpick against aokiji, but still.) 3rd: Kizaru didin't show enough? LOL he beat 10 out of 12 supernovas in a couple of shots. He probably can't do that now with them lvling, or couldn't in his last state we saw him, but pls consider everyone leveling up, not just the pirates. That means the marines are a whole new level I couldn't tell if this was directed at me or exo. I agree that the admirals are tough as hell, and at the top of the totem in one piece. VERY few are above them right now, if any. |
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| Well obviously they have to be a hella lot strong if they're the top military strength of the marines :) I'm just sayin the handful of people who could beat them is a little more than stated by exo/you/the third guy (sry im too lazy to check the name lol) |
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kiDnameDSkia said: Well obviously they have to be a hella lot strong if they're the top military strength of the marines :) I'm just sayin the handful of people who could beat them is a little more than stated by exo/you/the third guy (sry im too lazy to check the name lol) That's a fair point. I'm not saying that no one is above them, just that from what we've seen they have shown more than other unknowns that may or may not be above them. I agree that Rayleigh could have beat Kizaru, and probably the other two as well but with one piece there's never a sure bet. There might be some low level pirate out there whose devil fruit makes them completely immune to fire/heat. Their power would be almost useless against anyone else, but if they could withstand haki and was physically strong enough, they could hypothetically beat akainu. |
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| @kiDnameDSkia (my name is much easier to type out than yours... lol) Rayleigh could've beaten Kizaru how? He was holding him off, when Kuma arrived he even said, "I want to help them but I'm not as young as I used to be" - Chapter 513. No one is disregarding Rayleigh in his prime, but current Rayleigh can't defeat an admiral from what we have seen. Though he could stale-mate one for a while. Also, who are these "many people" who can defeat admirals? The strongest pirate/man in the world sent a point-blank island buster to one of them, but they could still fight moments later. Though he was still heavily wounded and sick, I haven't seen any one else in One Piece capable of such a feat other than Blackbeard. Whitebeard was clearly stronger than the Admirals, but even he couldn't put one out down for the count permanently. Shanks can be put on par with an old Whitebeard due to power-scaling and his casual stop on Akainu. Blackbeard now has Whitebeard's devil's fruit to compliment his own hax logia and is possibly one of the final antagonists, a Yonkou and has 2 more years of experience so he can possibly be power-scaled. Who are these "many people"? By the way, I'm talking about everyone that's alive (excluding Whitebeard) right now and in their current state, not about characters back in their prime. Marco, Jozu and Rayleigh held off admirals, Ben Beckman threatened one and Ace melted Ice, but that was it. Rayleigh gave Kizaru nothing more than a scratch, Beckman couldn't prevent Kizaru from firing lasers at Law's submarine, Marco and Jozu let their inexperience screw them over and Ace stopping Aokiji's ice which wasn't even targetted towards him was funny really, Akainu proved what could of really happened there a few moments later. luffydragneel said: There might be some low level pirate out there whose devil fruit makes them completely immune to fire/heat. Their power would be almost useless against anyone else, but if they could withstand haki and was physically strong enough, they could hypothetically beat akainu. Also from luffydragneel's words I remembered buggy surviving a slash from Mihawk and Mr. 3 stopping Magellen's poison. Now I know you don't think that Buggy can defeat the same enemies as Mihawk. You also know that Mr. 3 can't rule Impel Down. That's what happened between Ace and Aokiji. So once again, until we see more from new characters, Dragon, Government officials, Mihawk, Yonkou and possibly their first and second mates, no one other than the 3 (which are still vague) can "definitely beat an admiral". I'll believe it when I see it. |
Kayaba-Oct 11, 2012 2:51 PM
| @-shuda- Nicely said. Thanks for reminding me about Rayleigh saying that. I take back my suggestion that Rayleigh could have beaten Kizaru. But I also didn't really think Kizaru was going all out either. People say I overestimate the admirals, but really I think the admirals are highly UNDERestimated. Shanks is roughly = Old WB, so those two should be able to defeat an admiral 1v1. After that, it's basically pure speculation. Some people say Mihawk is = Shanks, but I highly doubt this as Shanks is master of Haki, and I have no idea where Mihawks haki level is. BB is the only other contender and he still ran when he heard Akainu was nearby, so who knows. |
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luffydragneel said: @-shuda- Nicely said. Thanks for reminding me about Rayleigh saying that. I take back my suggestion that Rayleigh could have beaten Kizaru. But I also didn't really think Kizaru was going all out either. People say I overestimate the admirals, but really I think the admirals are highly UNDERestimated. Shanks is roughly = Old WB, so those two should be able to defeat an admiral 1v1. After that, it's basically pure speculation. Some people say Mihawk is = Shanks, but I highly doubt this as Shanks is master of Haki, and I have no idea where Mihawks haki level is. BB is the only other contender and he still ran when he heard Akainu was nearby, so who knows. Thanks, and yeah, I know what you mean. I was actually guilty of throwing around the word Admiral "level" and "oh yeah, he/she could probably beat one" in the past. But after the war I realized that it's not that simple. Oda really emphasized them in that arc. Some people say now that Luffy has Haki so he can obliterate any Logia. I want to see him handle Smoker before I even begin to look at someone like Kizaru, let alone Akainu lol. I'm also really curious as to who the new 2 admirals are, I want to think that 1 is Coby but I'm worried the new ones wont be able to live up to the Aokiji/Kizaru/Akainu trio, but then again, this is Oda, I'll just have to wait and see. |
| well ldragneel AND SHUDA (ha! see what I did there? :) ) it all comes down to our own speculations at the moment. I still think the war of the best wasn't a good comparable point that Oda put in because of Luffy's perspective and like 80% of people not going all out. Also, Rayleigh gave Kizaru just a scratch, but wait...what did Kizaru give to Rayleigh? Oh right, he was practically helpless (not in a way that he was overpowered but that he couldn't progress an inch, Rayleigh completely neutralized him). There were countless cases where we could've seen Rayleigh being overpowered. Also remember they caught no one of the Roger pirates, LOL u think Rayleigh would sucumb to 1 admiral? I know I'm mixing his prime years with the present but think a little. He had a Zoro-Luffy relationship with Roger which practically meant Roger was just a talent-2 above him. An inch. U rly think he would go down so "easily"? Well, that's just my oppinion u obv. stated yours. I agree you have a fair point but I can't accept that your point negates mine. We just agree to disagree :) (I don't think of Buggy as a important Roger pirates member in this instance, don't you dare put him in this context of an unbeatable crew :D ) |
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| I agree admirals are killers though. I just have to say except for maybe Akainu (who is now fleet) there are a lot more people who could beat Kizaru. Well, only what's left is to wait and see. |
| This world is mine. I think this world may even just be a long, long dream I'm watching. You guys may just be illusions, and it can't be proven whether or not you really exist either. In other words, this world was created with me at the center. So what will happen if I die? I don't know. My imagination isn't very creative; I just can't imagine myself dying. In other words, there is no way this world can completely disappear. But if I die, then everyone will disappear. I am the only one in this world who won't disappear. The rest are just people I see as if in a dream. -Claire Stanfield, Baccano! |
| Who do i think can beat the 3 admirals? I don't know about now, so let's just talk about pre time skip. Ie at the time of the war when WB was still alive(even though past his peak. I think Garp can school them. All 3 admirals, if it was 1on1. Even though past his prime, i think he's still a powerhouse. Same goes for Rayleigh. He's past his prime, but if he got serious, i think the admirals would not just be stalemated, but beaten. Remember, Kizaru actually wanted to catch them. Rayleigh didn't actually want to kill Kizaru, and i don't think he took it seriously.. looked more like he was excercising and HAVING FUN sparring(!), or rather, TOYING with Kizaru, just to let the straw hats escape. His time in the spotlight is 'over'. Remember, he can still SWIM OCEANS without breaking a sweat. Also, he said it was a long time since he's used his sword. If he practiced and wanted to kill Kizaru, i'm sure he can. If shanks isn't scared of admirals, then i don't think Rayleigh would be either.. Shanks has ONE HAND ffs. Rayleigh isn't so old that he can't swim oceans or take on admirals still.. so at his peak, he must have been stronger than WB(after WB got sick, ie WB at the war) or just as strong(minus the devil fruit, but he should be able to hang with WB even with the devil fruit, because Roger was meant to be stronger or rival, and i don't think he had devil fruit). So IMO Garp and Rayleigh are on a whole different level, because they don't have devil fruits and can still hang with them or even beat them. This alone puts them above the 3 admirals in my mind. Of course, this depends purely on location, and many other factors(like who else is fighting or helping them). But of course, in a fight they will still get injured and can also lose, but i give them the 'GAR' advantage. Others on the same level of around that i can't say i think they will have as much chance to win like Garp/Rayleigh.. Mihawk. Other Yonkou. Luffy. Don Quixote. Vegapunk(if still alive, must be super powered up like franky, but 1000x more stronger). Jimbei(at sea, should be strongest, along with Aokiji, but he has devil fruit weakness). Law(based on his intelligence and what Smoker said). Oh yeah, Shirahoshi. Especially at Sea. She's probably the most powerful of them all right now. But yeah, she has no ambition to be a 'pirate'. Otherwise she would be #1 with the highest bounty. She has a more fearsome power than WB, and she's mermaid so no need for bubbles or ships.. and she makes all devil fruit powers useless(ie she owns the seas). Dragon i don't know which of the two to put him, but probably in the latter. I don't think he should be that strong in head up fights, just more of an intelligent dude whos power is used for owning/ruling the world, maybe like Don Quixote. Of course they are probably still really strong in 1on1 fights, but not like Garp style. Also, i think Smoker should be up there now, as admiral level(pre time skip admiral level at least). If he's not at least vice admiral in power level, i'd be surprised. Yes i know he's still captain or whatever, but who cares. Garp is vice admiral still so it's not an accurate reflection of their power. Also, this is all just for VS'ing the 3 admirals, pre time skip power level. Easiest and shortest answer as to who i think can beat admirals? Basically the people we haven't seen get serious or scared yet are the people who i think can beat admirals. I'm also not sure where to rank Magellan, because he lost to BB. But everyone loses to BB because of his fruit and because he's like Luffy.. but for the other side. Main characters don't lose. I also remember that BB would have died to Magellen, except someone saved him. Plus i think BB had his whole crew with him, and that's the only reason he survived vs Magellan. Plus that candle dude or the dude that can cut walls with his scissors saved BB too i think when he saved the straw hats. So while Magellan lost to BB and he's not that smart(ie he's a joke character), in reality he's pretty damn scary and powerful. |
ex0Oct 13, 2012 10:48 AM
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| ^ agree for the most part. MOST part. Not all Also, Smoker is vice-admiral now, he was captain pre-timeskip |
| This world is mine. I think this world may even just be a long, long dream I'm watching. You guys may just be illusions, and it can't be proven whether or not you really exist either. In other words, this world was created with me at the center. So what will happen if I die? I don't know. My imagination isn't very creative; I just can't imagine myself dying. In other words, there is no way this world can completely disappear. But if I die, then everyone will disappear. I am the only one in this world who won't disappear. The rest are just people I see as if in a dream. -Claire Stanfield, Baccano! |
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