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Aug 30, 2013 11:42 AM
#251
I'm so glad Rin and the other children didn't get attacked by Ryuunosuke and his servant. I really liked this episode! |
Sep 18, 2013 4:53 PM
#252
Solkiskey said: Once again, not a single fucking thing happens. 2/5 I don't hate this episode because I get to see Kariya again. Purplebutton said: I'm so glad Rin and the other children didn't get attacked by Ryuunosuke and his servant. I really liked this episode! Well I'm not... I hate Uryuu even more now, he couldn't kill a loli. I hate Rin because I've wasted 45 minutes of my life playing the VN introduction, 45 minutes full of shit. |
Sep 19, 2013 3:07 AM
#253
Zarnaav said: Solkiskey said: Once again, not a single fucking thing happens. 2/5 I don't hate this episode because I get to see Kariya again. Purplebutton said: I'm so glad Rin and the other children didn't get attacked by Ryuunosuke and his servant. I really liked this episode! Well I'm not... I hate Uryuu even more now, he couldn't kill a loli. I hate Rin because I've wasted 45 minutes of my life playing the VN introduction, 45 minutes full of useful info that if they werent there I wouldnt understand what the fuck I am reading nor would I knew if what happens has any reason to happen at all.. fixed |
ssjokgSep 19, 2013 5:04 AM
Sep 19, 2013 4:39 AM
#254
ssjokg said: Zarnaav said: Solkiskey said: Once again, not a single fucking thing happens. 2/5 I don't hate this episode because I get to see Kariya again. Purplebutton said: I'm so glad Rin and the other children didn't get attacked by Ryuunosuke and his servant. I really liked this episode! Well I'm not... I hate Uryuu even more now, he couldn't kill a loli. I hate Rin because I've wasted 45 minutes of my life playing the VN introduction, 45 minutes full of useful info that if they werent there I wouldnt understand what the fuck I am reading nor would I knew if what happens has any reason to a happen at all.. fixed lol Anyway I hope her classmates will be involved somehow in the Holy Grail War, otherwise I won't change my mind about those 45 minutes. |
Sep 19, 2013 4:59 AM
#255
Zarnaav said: WTF do her classmates here have to do with FSN?ssjokg said: Zarnaav said: Solkiskey said: Once again, not a single fucking thing happens. 2/5 I don't hate this episode because I get to see Kariya again. Purplebutton said: I'm so glad Rin and the other children didn't get attacked by Ryuunosuke and his servant. I really liked this episode! Well I'm not... I hate Uryuu even more now, he couldn't kill a loli. I hate Rin because I've wasted 45 minutes of my life playing the VN introduction, 45 minutes full of useful info that if they werent there I wouldnt understand what the fuck I am reading nor would I knew if what happens has any reason to a happen at all.. fixed lol Anyway I hope her classmates will be involved somehow in the Holy Grail War, otherwise I won't change my mind about those 45 minutes. |
Sep 19, 2013 8:37 AM
#256
ssjokg said: Zarnaav said: WTF do her classmates here have to do with FSN?lol Anyway I hope her classmates will be involved somehow in the Holy Grail War, otherwise I won't change my mind about those 45 minutes. I don't know, but before she summoned Archer |
Sep 19, 2013 8:45 AM
#257
Zarnaav said: ssjokg said: Zarnaav said: WTF do her classmates here have to do with FSN?lol Anyway I hope her classmates will be involved somehow in the Holy Grail War, otherwise I won't change my mind about those 45 minutes. I don't know, but before she summoned Archer 4 classmates where the scenes lasted at most 10 minutes.Then Isshei,Shirou,Sakura and Shinji.Yes all of them being irrelevant chars makes it really boring. |
Sep 21, 2013 7:57 PM
#258
-Quasar said: Weakest episode. They could have skipped this and not a single fuck will be missed. Also, what is the point of creating a thread if you haven't watched it yet or any input to post? Yes, they could of skipped it, but I for one am glad that they didn't because Rin is amazing. I hate Fate/Zero fans. EDIT: I forgot to say that this episode was so suspenseful! I was on the edge of my seat when Rin went into the bar! |
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Sep 21, 2013 7:58 PM
#259
Gamaliel said: Filler? what a hell are you guys talking about? It's common in fate/zero the development of the characters along the story, and now we can see another side of Tokiomi, one of the less explored characters so far. I don't care if we have Rin, just because she is a character of fate/stay night this is a filler to please fans? you got to be kidding.. Kariya and Ryunosuke show up too, and the episode has nothing to offer to you guys? My only complain about the episode was the ending, which looks out of place, seeing tohsaka rin back to her ordinary day in school was unecessary, but I'm impressed by how far this episode could progress, Especially for those who read the novel, and saw many things that were created just for the anime adaption. If you guys want to see fight scenes every episode, go watch some shounen, and stop trolling in this forum. This guy knows what he's talking about! |
Oct 9, 2013 4:50 PM
#260
Ah, Rin. Probably the only character (and maybe Saber) who I even remotely gave a fuck about in FSN. Apart from a few cheesy scenes and everyone always being at the right place at the right moment, it was a nice little episode imo. It was nice to see Rin's past and how she, in a way, took part in this Grail War. Her using her magic to destroy the bracelet was a cool scene :D |
Oct 9, 2013 9:26 PM
#261
RazielZero said: Ah, Rin. Probably the only character (and maybe Saber) who I even remotely gave a fuck about in FSN. Apart from a few cheesy scenes and everyone always being at the right place at the right moment, it was a nice little episode imo. It was nice to see Rin's past and how she, in a way, took part in this Grail War. Her using her magic to destroy the bracelet was a cool scene :D That was because in the novel she never found the missing kids.She went to Fuyuki,reached that back alley the monster attacked and she was saved by Kariya. And it is implied that she found Kotone's corpse. |
Oct 10, 2013 1:22 AM
#262
ssjokg said: RazielZero said: Ah, Rin. Probably the only character (and maybe Saber) who I even remotely gave a fuck about in FSN. Apart from a few cheesy scenes and everyone always being at the right place at the right moment, it was a nice little episode imo. It was nice to see Rin's past and how she, in a way, took part in this Grail War. Her using her magic to destroy the bracelet was a cool scene :D That was because in the novel she never found the missing kids.She went to Fuyuki,reached that back alley the monster attacked and she was saved by Kariya. And it is implied that she found Kotone's corpse. Oh, well that's just sad :( I guess they didn't want to show such a sad thing for this little Rin adventure :/ |
Oct 14, 2013 7:50 AM
#263
when i was watching this i was like YOOO, you want to traumatize this kiddo? YYYOOOOOOOO!!!! I freaked out when that monster was directly next to her and then she was surounded by bugs which ate it... this would be damm creepy if this happens and you dont know what is going on around you o_o |
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Oct 14, 2013 8:09 PM
#264
lol. Fucktards who can only watch miserable anime to make their miserable pathetic lives feel better and then bitch when there's a happy ending sneaked in an episode or two. |
Oct 15, 2013 12:12 AM
#265
TonyTin said: lol. Fucktards who can only watch miserable anime to make their miserable pathetic lives feel better and then bitch when there's a happy ending sneaked in an episode or two. lol random guy who posts random comments in a ep discussion thread, without discussing the ep itself talks about miserable lives. |
Dec 8, 2013 4:49 AM
#266
Definitely a filler episode, but if all fillers were done this well, I wouldn't mind. Jesus Christ, someone needs to teach Rin a thing or two about danger, she is way too reckless. but also fucking adorable. but mostly reckless. Kariya appearances always make me sad |
Dec 9, 2013 3:41 AM
#267
davidfresh said: Definitely a filler episode, but if all fillers were done this well, I wouldn't mind. Jesus Christ, someone needs to teach Rin a thing or two about danger, she is way too reckless. but also fucking adorable. but mostly reckless. Kariya appearances always make me sad Just how the hell character development for one of three would-be-heroines of this franchise, can count as "filler"? |
Dec 9, 2013 9:42 AM
#268
Fai said: davidfresh said: Definitely a filler episode, but if all fillers were done this well, I wouldn't mind. Jesus Christ, someone needs to teach Rin a thing or two about danger, she is way too reckless. but also fucking adorable. but mostly reckless. Kariya appearances always make me sad Just how the hell character development for one of three would-be-heroines of this franchise, can count as "filler"? Well original material wise it IS a filler since except the ending nothing else happened in the LN. |
Jan 7, 2014 10:31 AM
#269
OMG young Rin is so adorable!!!! |
Jan 18, 2014 5:50 PM
#270
Rin is soo adorable, foolish and brave and earnest at the same time! I love her! Finally Tokiomi and Kariya make an appearance! But I have the feeling that somewhere along the line both of them are going to be killed off. I don't look forward to that. The plot didn't advance that much but I was so into this episode that I didn't mind. And I honestly afraid when Rin stepped into the bar. I was scared that she would bump into Castor. She is far too inexperienced in magic to do battle as yet. Considering what was seen in the last episode, I'm glad that the kids were recused and that sick M.F. got bruised a bit. All in all-good episode. |
Jan 19, 2014 12:30 AM
#271
Iszumi said: You dont look forward to the death of a "father" that gave his daughter to a "vampire",knowing how she will be treated for the rest of her life, so that his family can could look even better in the eyes of other magi?Rin is soo adorable, foolish and brave and earnest at the same time! I love her! Finally Tokiomi and Kariya make an appearance! But I have the feeling that somewhere along the line both of them are going to be killed off. I don't look forward to that. The plot didn't advance that much but I was so into this episode that I didn't mind. And I honestly afraid when Rin stepped into the bar. I was scared that she would bump into Castor. She is far too inexperienced in magic to do battle as yet. Considering what was seen in the last episode, I'm glad that the kids were recused and that sick M.F. got bruised a bit. All in all-good episode. |
Jan 19, 2014 1:00 AM
#272
ssjokg said: Iszumi said: You dont look forward to the death of a "father" that gave his daughter to a "vampire",knowing how she will be treated for the rest of her life, so that his family can could look even better in the eyes of other magi?Rin is soo adorable, foolish and brave and earnest at the same time! I love her! Finally Tokiomi and Kariya make an appearance! But I have the feeling that somewhere along the line both of them are going to be killed off. I don't look forward to that. The plot didn't advance that much but I was so into this episode that I didn't mind. And I honestly afraid when Rin stepped into the bar. I was scared that she would bump into Castor. She is far too inexperienced in magic to do battle as yet. Considering what was seen in the last episode, I'm glad that the kids were recused and that sick M.F. got bruised a bit. All in all-good episode. On other hand it does leave Rin to lead a very lonely and family-less life, with her trying to "appease" his memory with everything she does, alienating people around her and dedicating herself wholeheartedly to it in order to participate in an event that killed her father, while treating a sociopathic monster who killed her father as a father figure. The true monster in the situation is Zouken. Tokiomi was just being who he was - a magus. |
Jan 19, 2014 1:21 AM
#273
Fai said: ssjokg said: Iszumi said: You dont look forward to the death of a "father" that gave his daughter to a "vampire",knowing how she will be treated for the rest of her life, so that his family can could look even better in the eyes of other magi?Rin is soo adorable, foolish and brave and earnest at the same time! I love her! Finally Tokiomi and Kariya make an appearance! But I have the feeling that somewhere along the line both of them are going to be killed off. I don't look forward to that. The plot didn't advance that much but I was so into this episode that I didn't mind. And I honestly afraid when Rin stepped into the bar. I was scared that she would bump into Castor. She is far too inexperienced in magic to do battle as yet. Considering what was seen in the last episode, I'm glad that the kids were recused and that sick M.F. got bruised a bit. All in all-good episode. On other hand it does leave Rin to lead a very lonely and family-less life, with her trying to "appease" his memory with everything she does, alienating people around her and dedicating herself wholeheartedly to it in order to participate in an event that killed her father, while treating a sociopathic monster who killed her father as a father figure. The true monster in the situation is Zouken. Tokiomi was just being who he was - a magus. Rin become a better human.That's what I know.And I am pretty sure she never liked Kirei. Natalia,Kariya,Kiritsugu,Kayneth,Waver,Rin all of them are magi but they did have some human qualities. Even Kirei knew what was wrong and what was right(that is why he is suffering after alll). Tokiomi doesnt even make sense when he tries to justify himself. |
ssjokgJan 19, 2014 1:25 AM
Jan 20, 2014 2:59 PM
#274
ssjokg said: Fai said: ssjokg said: Iszumi said: You dont look forward to the death of a "father" that gave his daughter to a "vampire",knowing how she will be treated for the rest of her life, so that his family can could look even better in the eyes of other magi?Rin is soo adorable, foolish and brave and earnest at the same time! I love her! Finally Tokiomi and Kariya make an appearance! But I have the feeling that somewhere along the line both of them are going to be killed off. I don't look forward to that. The plot didn't advance that much but I was so into this episode that I didn't mind. And I honestly afraid when Rin stepped into the bar. I was scared that she would bump into Castor. She is far too inexperienced in magic to do battle as yet. Considering what was seen in the last episode, I'm glad that the kids were recused and that sick M.F. got bruised a bit. All in all-good episode. On other hand it does leave Rin to lead a very lonely and family-less life, with her trying to "appease" his memory with everything she does, alienating people around her and dedicating herself wholeheartedly to it in order to participate in an event that killed her father, while treating a sociopathic monster who killed her father as a father figure. The true monster in the situation is Zouken. Tokiomi was just being who he was - a magus. Rin become a better human.That's what I know.And I am pretty sure she never liked Kirei. Natalia,Kariya,Kiritsugu,Kayneth,Waver,Rin all of them are magi but they did have some human qualities. Even Kirei knew what was wrong and what was right(that is why he is suffering after alll). Tokiomi doesnt even make sense when he tries to justify himself. If not for Shirou and fifth war events, Rin was well on her way to become Tokiomi2. None of the magi you listed were "good people" and most of them were incredibly twisted in their own ways. Waver is only one who did not belong in that world too much back then...But lo and behold, few decades pass and he starts a civil war for what he believes in, winning at the cost of quite huge death toll. Morality or human compassion are not something to be valued in magi society. Hel even Aozaki sisters are quite monstrous in their logic and behavior. The fact that in two out of four FSN realities we have seen the Magic essentially kills earth(Notes) or itself(Extra) is telling(maybe three if Myu's homeworld is not Notes or Extra timeline, since magic is dead in it. which certainly explain the Liner word in the title) Nasu's bottom line seems to be that unrestricted magic and science lead to very bad shit. The world an average magus lives and grows up in does not allows for much of compassion or humanity. Would rin's experience in such world be better or worse with Tokiomi alive? we will never know. But that possibility is certainly one things that died with this war, ensuring that neither Sakura nor Rin retain their childhood innocence. |
Jan 21, 2014 1:34 AM
#275
Fai said: ssjokg said: Fai said: ssjokg said: Iszumi said: You dont look forward to the death of a "father" that gave his daughter to a "vampire",knowing how she will be treated for the rest of her life, so that his family can could look even better in the eyes of other magi?Rin is soo adorable, foolish and brave and earnest at the same time! I love her! Finally Tokiomi and Kariya make an appearance! But I have the feeling that somewhere along the line both of them are going to be killed off. I don't look forward to that. The plot didn't advance that much but I was so into this episode that I didn't mind. And I honestly afraid when Rin stepped into the bar. I was scared that she would bump into Castor. She is far too inexperienced in magic to do battle as yet. Considering what was seen in the last episode, I'm glad that the kids were recused and that sick M.F. got bruised a bit. All in all-good episode. On other hand it does leave Rin to lead a very lonely and family-less life, with her trying to "appease" his memory with everything she does, alienating people around her and dedicating herself wholeheartedly to it in order to participate in an event that killed her father, while treating a sociopathic monster who killed her father as a father figure. The true monster in the situation is Zouken. Tokiomi was just being who he was - a magus. Rin become a better human.That's what I know.And I am pretty sure she never liked Kirei. Natalia,Kariya,Kiritsugu,Kayneth,Waver,Rin all of them are magi but they did have some human qualities. Even Kirei knew what was wrong and what was right(that is why he is suffering after alll). Tokiomi doesnt even make sense when he tries to justify himself. If not for Shirou and fifth war events, Rin was well on her way to become Tokiomi2. None of the magi you listed were "good people" and most of them were incredibly twisted in their own ways. Waver is only one who did not belong in that world too much back then...But lo and behold, few decades pass and he starts a civil war for what he believes in, winning at the cost of quite huge death toll. Morality or human compassion are not something to be valued in magi society. Hel even Aozaki sisters are quite monstrous in their logic and behavior. The fact that in two out of four FSN realities we have seen the Magic essentially kills earth(Notes) or itself(Extra) is telling(maybe three if Myu's homeworld is not Notes or Extra timeline, since magic is dead in it. which certainly explain the Liner word in the title) Nasu's bottom line seems to be that unrestricted magic and science lead to very bad shit. The world an average magus lives and grows up in does not allows for much of compassion or humanity. Would rin's experience in such world be better or worse with Tokiomi alive? we will never know. But that possibility is certainly one things that died with this war, ensuring that neither Sakura nor Rin retain their childhood innocence. I am not talking about good people.I am talking about having some human values. Natalia felt bad for Kerry and took him under her.She had no obligation to do that. Kariya abandoned the way of the magi and returned only to save a girl. Kiritusgu even though he is an extremist ,this is because he loves the world and those around him. Kayneth choose to give up the war and the fame that would come from it for a woman that didnt love him even without Lancer's curse. Waver started that civil war in order to stop another tragedy.He could have joined the other side and use the Greater Grail for a magi goal. Rin,that you suppose would be Tokiomi v2,"disobeyed" the rules of the HGW in order to save a witness.And according to Nasu "If Tokiomi had survived until the time when Rin could have really understood her father’s personality, it would certainly have deeply affected the development of her own personality. Whether she would oppose that inhumanity and leave the path of thaumaturgy, or whether she would become a “perfect and coldhearted” witch like her father – no matter which one, this parallel world, for Rin, would certainly be one far away from happiness. " |
Jan 21, 2014 3:57 AM
#276
Really didn't feel like filler to me. More like Tokiomi getting some much needed character development, along with a few other developments (like assassin shadowing Kariya). Hmm, this actually excited me to see Rin in the upcoming ufotable F/SN adaptation. |
Jan 21, 2014 4:08 AM
#277
SatanicBeaver said: Really didn't feel like filler to me. More like Tokiomi getting some much needed character development, along with a few other developments (like assassin shadowing Kariya). Hmm, this actually excited me to see Rin in the upcoming ufotable F/SN adaptation. What was Tokiomi's char development? It isnt a surprise that he was one teaching Rin back then. If you imply that he is a good father...no simply no. |
Jan 21, 2014 2:08 PM
#278
ssjokg said: Rin,that you suppose would be Tokiomi v2,"disobeyed" the rules of the HGW in order to save a witness.And according to Nasu "If Tokiomi had survived until the time when Rin could have really understood her father’s personality, it would certainly have deeply affected the development of her own personality. Whether she would oppose that inhumanity and leave the path of thaumaturgy, or whether she would become a “perfect and coldhearted” witch like her father – no matter which one, this parallel world, for Rin, would certainly be one far away from happiness. " Well we'll just have to disagree on this. Knowing your father was a cold-hearted bastard for me seems the better outcome than growing up alone trying to live up to the ideal you imagine him to be. I found everything about Rin's prologue(always waking up in an empty house, etc) to be INCREDIBLY depressing. As for her becoming Tokiomi2, as I said "if not for 5th war and Shirou". 5th war was pretty much crossroads for every person affected by 4th war. ssjokg said: SatanicBeaver said: Really didn't feel like filler to me. More like Tokiomi getting some much needed character development, along with a few other developments (like assassin shadowing Kariya). Hmm, this actually excited me to see Rin in the upcoming ufotable F/SN adaptation. What was Tokiomi's char development? It isnt a surprise that he was one teaching Rin back then. If you imply that he is a good father...no simply no. It established Tokiomi as very influential person Rin would look up to. Less of how Tokiomi is and more about how Rin sees him. |
Jan 22, 2014 2:42 AM
#279
Fai said: Depressing yes but not to the point of being completely unhappyssjokg said: Rin,that you suppose would be Tokiomi v2,"disobeyed" the rules of the HGW in order to save a witness.And according to Nasu "If Tokiomi had survived until the time when Rin could have really understood her father’s personality, it would certainly have deeply affected the development of her own personality. Whether she would oppose that inhumanity and leave the path of thaumaturgy, or whether she would become a “perfect and coldhearted” witch like her father – no matter which one, this parallel world, for Rin, would certainly be one far away from happiness. " Well we'll just have to disagree on this. Knowing your father was a cold-hearted bastard for me seems the better outcome than growing up alone trying to live up to the ideal you imagine him to be. I found everything about Rin's prologue(always waking up in an empty house, etc) to be INCREDIBLY depressing. As for her becoming Tokiomi2, as I said "if not for 5th war and Shirou". 5th war was pretty much crossroads for every person affected by 4th war. ssjokg said: SatanicBeaver said: Really didn't feel like filler to me. More like Tokiomi getting some much needed character development, along with a few other developments (like assassin shadowing Kariya). Hmm, this actually excited me to see Rin in the upcoming ufotable F/SN adaptation. What was Tokiomi's char development? It isnt a surprise that he was one teaching Rin back then. If you imply that he is a good father...no simply no. It established Tokiomi as very influential person Rin would look up to. Less of how Tokiomi is and more about how Rin sees him. Shirou didnt have time to affect her yet.Even if she saved him because she liked him or because Sakura loved him that doesnt change that is something a magi like Zouken,Acht or Tokiomi would never do. More like Rin's development then. |
Mar 16, 2014 4:08 PM
#281
is it just me or does this seem to retcon some stuff in the fate/stay night VN? they never really directly talked about it much, but rin made it sound like growing up as a magus was very harsh/painful. she even goes as far as to say she doesn't see herself as blessed compared to sakura in heaven's feel when sakura has literally spent most of her life being tortured and raped. that made it sound like it must have been pretty bad. yet rin seems quite peaceful and happy in this episode, and her magic training is shown as a heartwarming father/daughter bonding moment. so uhh... yea. maybe i misinterpreted her in fate/stay night. *shrug* |
Mar 16, 2014 4:19 PM
#282
MaxVdub said: Remember that she is it just me or does this seem to retcon some stuff in the fate/stay night VN? they never really directly talked about it much, but rin made it sound like growing up as a magus was very harsh/painful. she even goes as far as to say she doesn't see herself as blessed compared to sakura in heaven's feel when sakura has literally spent most of her life being tortured and raped. that made it sound like it must have been pretty bad. yet rin seems quite peaceful and happy in this episode, and her magic training is shown as a heartwarming father/daughter bonding moment. so uhh... yea. maybe i misinterpreted her in fate/stay night. *shrug* became an orphan a few days after the events in this ep and that at this point of time she doesnt actually know much as a magus I am not sure about the Sakura part.Di I skip it when reading the VN ?Because I would certainly dislike Rin if she felt that way. |
Mar 16, 2014 5:01 PM
#283
ssjokg said: MaxVdub said: Remember that she is it just me or does this seem to retcon some stuff in the fate/stay night VN? they never really directly talked about it much, but rin made it sound like growing up as a magus was very harsh/painful. she even goes as far as to say she doesn't see herself as blessed compared to sakura in heaven's feel when sakura has literally spent most of her life being tortured and raped. that made it sound like it must have been pretty bad. yet rin seems quite peaceful and happy in this episode, and her magic training is shown as a heartwarming father/daughter bonding moment. so uhh... yea. maybe i misinterpreted her in fate/stay night. *shrug* became an orphan a few days after the events in this ep and that at this point of time she doesnt actually know much as a magus I am not sure about the Sakura part.Di I skip it when reading the VN ?Because I would certainly dislike Rin if she felt that way. you mean you skipped reading heaven's feel entirely? either way, becoming an orphan at an early age is a relatively mild and common trauma. sakura's life is probably among the most gruesome things i've read about in ANY fiction. maybe rin is just a really unempathetic person. see: http://puu.sh/7wAng |
Mar 17, 2014 12:26 AM
#284
MaxVdub said: ssjokg said: MaxVdub said: Remember that she is it just me or does this seem to retcon some stuff in the fate/stay night VN? they never really directly talked about it much, but rin made it sound like growing up as a magus was very harsh/painful. she even goes as far as to say she doesn't see herself as blessed compared to sakura in heaven's feel when sakura has literally spent most of her life being tortured and raped. that made it sound like it must have been pretty bad. yet rin seems quite peaceful and happy in this episode, and her magic training is shown as a heartwarming father/daughter bonding moment. so uhh... yea. maybe i misinterpreted her in fate/stay night. *shrug* became an orphan a few days after the events in this ep and that at this point of time she doesnt actually know much as a magus I am not sure about the Sakura part.Di I skip it when reading the VN ?Because I would certainly dislike Rin if she felt that way. you mean you skipped reading heaven's feel entirely? either way, becoming an orphan at an early age is a relatively mild and common trauma. sakura's life is probably among the most gruesome things i've read about in ANY fiction. maybe rin is just a really unempathetic person. see: http://puu.sh/7wAng Was I focused on everything else?I dont know. In Rin's defense being a magus in training while being an orphan is kinda worse than most people. As for what she said...doesnt that contradict her actions in UBW and Fate?Like with saving and helping Shirou (for Sakura's sake even) I havent read it recently but maybe she was trying to affect her psychologically? I dont disagree about Sakura.If you ever see me do it is because my account was hacked. |
Mar 17, 2014 10:07 AM
#285
ssjokg said: MaxVdub said: ssjokg said: MaxVdub said: Remember that she is it just me or does this seem to retcon some stuff in the fate/stay night VN? they never really directly talked about it much, but rin made it sound like growing up as a magus was very harsh/painful. she even goes as far as to say she doesn't see herself as blessed compared to sakura in heaven's feel when sakura has literally spent most of her life being tortured and raped. that made it sound like it must have been pretty bad. yet rin seems quite peaceful and happy in this episode, and her magic training is shown as a heartwarming father/daughter bonding moment. so uhh... yea. maybe i misinterpreted her in fate/stay night. *shrug* became an orphan a few days after the events in this ep and that at this point of time she doesnt actually know much as a magus I am not sure about the Sakura part.Di I skip it when reading the VN ?Because I would certainly dislike Rin if she felt that way. you mean you skipped reading heaven's feel entirely? either way, becoming an orphan at an early age is a relatively mild and common trauma. sakura's life is probably among the most gruesome things i've read about in ANY fiction. maybe rin is just a really unempathetic person. see: http://puu.sh/7wAng Was I focused on everything else?I dont know. In Rin's defense being a magus in training while being an orphan is kinda worse than most people. As for what she said...doesnt that contradict her actions in UBW and Fate?Like with saving and helping Shirou (for Sakura's sake even) I havent read it recently but maybe she was trying to affect her psychologically? I dont disagree about Sakura.If you ever see me do it is because my account was hacked. Rin basically helps shirou almost entirely because of her viewpoint. She felt consistently threatened and scared for her very life, only had her family name to protect her. Loosing her entire family pretty much ruined her socially. Shit like tact or empathy is not something she had time for, hence why 99% times socially she comes off as a cold-hearted bitch to others. Part of the reason she acts coldly towards other people is because of envy to their normal humanity. Tohsaka herself views everything in a more conceptual nature She is ruled by pragmatism, everything has to have a worth for her to be worthy of something. To her, shit's awful not because how it affects people, but because it is awful. Neither of Tohsaka sisters had a chance to grow up as humans due to actions of their father. Sakura blames RIn for that, Rin blames Sakura for that and that is the reason they do not really have the chance to "break the ice" before Sakura starts her psycho rampage and they are forced to deal with it. Shirou is one of the first people she can relate to, even if she refuses to admit that. He grew up under similar circumstances, having lost his entire family and even himself, but he dedicates everything he is towards empathy to others. She does not exactly know HOW to react to him. Its used as pinnacle in UBW with saving Shinji - someone she fully despises.Their pairing at the end is not only about balancing out Shirou's idealism - its about balancing out Tohsaka's cold pragmatism too. By helping each other they are able to better function as people. |
Mar 17, 2014 1:46 PM
#286
Fai said: ssjokg said: MaxVdub said: ssjokg said: MaxVdub said: Remember that she is it just me or does this seem to retcon some stuff in the fate/stay night VN? they never really directly talked about it much, but rin made it sound like growing up as a magus was very harsh/painful. she even goes as far as to say she doesn't see herself as blessed compared to sakura in heaven's feel when sakura has literally spent most of her life being tortured and raped. that made it sound like it must have been pretty bad. yet rin seems quite peaceful and happy in this episode, and her magic training is shown as a heartwarming father/daughter bonding moment. so uhh... yea. maybe i misinterpreted her in fate/stay night. *shrug* became an orphan a few days after the events in this ep and that at this point of time she doesnt actually know much as a magus I am not sure about the Sakura part.Di I skip it when reading the VN ?Because I would certainly dislike Rin if she felt that way. you mean you skipped reading heaven's feel entirely? either way, becoming an orphan at an early age is a relatively mild and common trauma. sakura's life is probably among the most gruesome things i've read about in ANY fiction. maybe rin is just a really unempathetic person. see: http://puu.sh/7wAng Was I focused on everything else?I dont know. In Rin's defense being a magus in training while being an orphan is kinda worse than most people. As for what she said...doesnt that contradict her actions in UBW and Fate?Like with saving and helping Shirou (for Sakura's sake even) I havent read it recently but maybe she was trying to affect her psychologically? I dont disagree about Sakura.If you ever see me do it is because my account was hacked. Rin basically helps shirou almost entirely because of her viewpoint. She felt consistently threatened and scared for her very life, only had her family name to protect her. Loosing her entire family pretty much ruined her socially. Shit like tact or empathy is not something she had time for, hence why 99% times socially she comes off as a cold-hearted bitch to others. Part of the reason she acts coldly towards other people is because of envy to their normal humanity. Tohsaka herself views everything in a more conceptual nature She is ruled by pragmatism, everything has to have a worth for her to be worthy of something. To her, shit's awful not because how it affects people, but because it is awful. Neither of Tohsaka sisters had a chance to grow up as humans due to actions of their father. Sakura blames RIn for that, Rin blames Sakura for that and that is the reason they do not really have the chance to "break the ice" before Sakura starts her psycho rampage and they are forced to deal with it. Shirou is one of the first people she can relate to, even if she refuses to admit that. He grew up under similar circumstances, having lost his entire family and even himself, but he dedicates everything he is towards empathy to others. She does not exactly know HOW to react to him. Its used as pinnacle in UBW with saving Shinji - someone she fully despises.Their pairing at the end is not only about balancing out Shirou's idealism - its about balancing out Tohsaka's cold pragmatism too. By helping each other they are able to better function as people. i don't think rin blames sakura for her abnormal childhood. she doesn't seem like the type of person to assign blame or hold grudges; like you said, she's all about pragmatism, so assigning blame is meaningless. she just has to act to solve whatever problems she can. |
Mar 18, 2014 4:33 AM
#287
MaxVdub said: i don't think rin blames sakura for her abnormal childhood. she doesn't seem like the type of person to assign blame or hold grudges; like you said, she's all about pragmatism, so assigning blame is meaningless. she just has to act to solve whatever problems she can. Its exactly why she does. If she looked at it non-pragmatically - Sakura's life was a shitfest and nothing in it was her fault. However pragmatically looking - Sakura being at the Matou family is exactly the reason why Rin's life is so shitty. Its the major reason why Rin keeps baiting her during their confrontation. However in on itself, that's how Rin channels the blame she feels towards herself - after all she did not really have control of her life either and thanks to her father, she could not be with her sister, nor help her sister, nor live a normal life, since all she could do was struggle to live out the life he left her and survive in it, no matter the cost - hence why once she stops blaming herself and stops blaming sakura, shit resolves between them. |
Apr 17, 2014 1:26 PM
#288
Wow to me this episode was intense |
Apr 18, 2014 7:49 PM
#289
A brilliant excerpt of kids way to confident about themselves and wanting to get themselves killed. Seriously what was she thinking? She wouldn't stand a chance against the caster or the dude who has been murdering fucking dozens of kids previously. |
Apr 18, 2014 10:12 PM
#290
Zombiespire said: Rin even at that age, would be able to beat Ryunosuke.A brilliant excerpt of kids way to confident about themselves and wanting to get themselves killed. Seriously what was she thinking? She wouldn't stand a chance against the caster or the dude who has been murdering fucking dozens of kids previously. |
Apr 23, 2014 2:54 PM
#291
and he would've gotten away with it too if it wasn't for that meddling Rin |
Yo |
Apr 29, 2014 9:20 AM
#292
I'm so spoiled from Fate/Stay Night, that I knew she wouldn't die. But this is so much better |
May 6, 2014 6:03 AM
#293
1. The compass animation was really good 2. Rin was awesome, saving those kids. She's got lot of guts going into dark places 9/10 |
May 22, 2014 9:06 AM
#294
huray for rin saving the kids.Though any personal problems rin run into is kinda dwarfed by the fact her sister is getting raped every day for hours on end.Its also kinda werid that rin doesint have the slightest thought of meeting her sister again.I know shes unaware of the god awful thigns being done to her but wouldint she think when she grows up she could see her again.Aio oh how much you suck kariya is a better parental figure then you. |
May 22, 2014 10:49 AM
#295
souledge94 said: huray for rin saving the kids.Though any personal problems rin run into is kinda dwarfed by the fact her sister is getting raped every day for hours on end.Its also kinda werid that rin doesint have the slightest thought of meeting her sister again.I know shes unaware of the god awful thigns being done to her but wouldint she think when she grows up she could see her again.Aio oh how much you suck kariya is a better parental figure then you. Its quite clear Rin ends up blaming Sakura for growing up alone in a Magus world after her father's death. Her sole reason to do anything is her obsession with winning Holy Grail War, with that being a way to prove being worthy of her father. Worm rape or not, Magi training is still basically torture too. At the start of FSN, Rin does not really "comprehend"(or want to comprehend) emotional value of things. Everything has to have an use, a true "value". If it can't be sold or exchanged or used for something, it is worthless, which contrasts with Shirou's understanding of everything being of equal importance, no matter the value. |
May 22, 2014 7:12 PM
#296
Fai said: souledge94 said: huray for rin saving the kids.Though any personal problems rin run into is kinda dwarfed by the fact her sister is getting raped every day for hours on end.Its also kinda werid that rin doesint have the slightest thought of meeting her sister again.I know shes unaware of the god awful thigns being done to her but wouldint she think when she grows up she could see her again.Aio oh how much you suck kariya is a better parental figure then you. Its quite clear Rin ends up blaming Sakura for growing up alone in a Magus world after her father's death. Her sole reason to do anything is her obsession with winning Holy Grail War, with that being a way to prove being worthy of her father. Worm rape or not, Magi training is still basically torture too. At the start of FSN, Rin does not really "comprehend"(or want to comprehend) emotional value of things. Everything has to have an use, a true "value". If it can't be sold or exchanged or used for something, it is worthless, which contrasts with Shirou's understanding of everything being of equal importance, no matter the value. Well in this show at least rins thoughts of her sister so far hasint been shown execpt for the split up.Thats why I was wondering why nothing was said during this rin focuse episode.Also if they cant stand on another I say i would side with sakura.Since it feels she got the worst hand.Even if you dont count the worm rape she was basically disowned by her own flesh and blood as a child just cause some stupid family deal.That kinda beats out my daddy died where are you. The show also hasint shown that rin learning magic is up there with torture. |
souledge94May 22, 2014 7:20 PM
May 24, 2014 9:13 AM
#297
souledge94 said: Well in this show at least rins thoughts of her sister so far hasint been shown execpt for the split up. Thats why I was wondering why nothing was said during this rin focused episode Also if they cant stand on another I say i would side with sakura.Since it feels she got the worst hand. That's because at this point Rin still barely knows anything about the magus matters. Its simply one of two events in the past that drive her motivation in the "present". She learns the stuff about her sister(she does not know the details) in between F/0 and FSN and pretty much treats it in similar way Tokiomi is doing(Sakura is a Matou not Tohsaka, she is of no use to Rin) , except fueled by blame(both sisters view everything each other does in "You are intent of stealing my happiness with everything you do" kind of way). Sakura is "pitiful screwed up mess" from Rin's POV and Rin is "inferior obnoxious roadblock" from Sakura's. Its not possible to justify one or the other, since neither takes a healthy approach (well Rin's is technically healthier, but still not right). Stuff beyond that is explored in FSN. Even if you dont count the worm rape she was basically disowned by her own flesh and blood as a child just cause some stupid family deal. Rin would be the one to become the head of the family anyway. Sakura not being Tohsaka is not the problem. What she has to go through is. But its not something that Rin has to openly care about anyway, since RIn is not the one to openly show her intentions or thoughts anyway - its far easier to try to find someone to blame for your misfortune, which is essentially what both sisters do. |
Jun 6, 2014 12:11 PM
#298
Best episode of FZ so far. And it was quite scary, when she chased Caster's master. I thought that Caster will show up and kill her any minute x| By the way did you realized Illuminati, when Tokiomi was creating that horse statue? lol. |
Jun 24, 2014 10:38 PM
#300
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