| I think they're fine, it doesn't bother me. |
| I agree with everything SY said. |
| I've already gotten used to the ads, but the placement still needs to be fixed; I'm in favor of ditching the square one on the panel page. And I know getting funds is important, are the ads going to stay forever? |
| meh, no biggie. I just used AdBlock to block every single one of them. |
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| Bluntly, how much would we need to donate in order keep MAL ad-free? I've loved MAL for it being ad-free, and of course it's services. Redesigning the layout of the site just for ads is completely unnecessary. But yeah, how much needs to be donated to be able to browse the site without poorly placed ads? I believe we should remain ad-free, but if they must stay, donate-to-be-ad-free feature with some perks may be nice.(There should also be some recognition for donators too. :P) I wouldn't mind shelling out a little every month. :) |
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Piroko said: I wouldn't mind shelling out a little every month. :) Was not it an initial plan, actually? :) Don't know what is it more: a money question or a growth opportunity. |
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| I looked for ads and could not find them o__O I must have an adblocker on camino. I will make up for it by donating, I guess :B |
| as long as this keeps this great site up, I don't mind so much. I was surprised this didn't happen sooner! |
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selective_yellow said: I've refrained from comment so far, but here are my thoughts: MAL has one of the worst placement of ads I have ever seen for a non hentai/porn related website. Literally one of the worst. The worse part is the ads on those porn websites are probably much more effective as people WANT To click them to be lead to more porn (only to find free = lol u pay)... :P These ridiculous ads have been BLOCKED by me via firefox, and this is the ONLY website where I have blocked all ads. Don't get me wrong, I support ads, just not like this. I believe someone mentioned integrated ads. Those are very good and effective, but they require more work. It would be worth the work, completely. 'Redesigning' the left panel to make it wider (but not wide enough) for the ads is a cheap and lazy way to put ads into the website. MAL has completely lost all of it's "simple yet effective" design and is now scaring to look at. Personally I would never click on such an ugly poorly placed ad if only out of pure spite. These ads call for a redesign of the website if you want people to accept and even appreciate what the ads are doing for MAL. If you want to be considered an important, big, respected website you can't half-ass shit. I will repeat myself before anyone wants to flame me. I support ads. I do not support making MAL into a second rate website. And lastly, I definitely do believe there should be an option to donate/pay so that those users can browse MAL ad free without having to resort to ad block. (especially with the way ads are now) Completely agree with this 100%, QFE. Edit: So I was browsing the anime listings, and clicked on one. Right SMACK DAB in the freaking middle of the page was an ad STICKING out like a SORE THUMB. I mean come on, don't have to make it that obvious. What the hell happend to the old MAL that we've come to love? This goes back to what selective yellow was saying. |
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Yuunagi said: It was inevitable, I guess. It should be tolerable for most people as long as we don't get those bright flashing ads which could cause epileptic seizures. Seconded. I'm honestly very happy to view and even click on ads if it supports the site, but if you guys can avoid it I hope there isn't anything insulting to our intelligence such as "You've been selected for a new iPod! Click here to receive your prize," etc. |
selective_yellow said: I've refrained from comment so far, but here are my thoughts: MAL has one of the worst placement of ads I have ever seen for a non hentai/porn related website. Literally one of the worst. The worse part is the ads on those porn websites are probably much more effective as people WANT To click them to be lead to more porn (only to find free = lol u pay)... :P These ridiculous ads have been BLOCKED by me via firefox, and this is the ONLY website where I have blocked all ads. Don't get me wrong, I support ads, just not like this. I believe someone mentioned integrated ads. Those are very good and effective, but they require more work. It would be worth the work, completely. 'Redesigning' the left panel to make it wider (but not wide enough) for the ads is a cheap and lazy way to put ads into the website. MAL has completely lost all of it's "simple yet effective" design and is now scaring to look at. Personally I would never click on such an ugly poorly placed ad if only out of pure spite. These ads call for a redesign of the website if you want people to accept and even appreciate what the ads are doing for MAL. If you want to be considered an important, big, respected website you can't half-ass shit. I will repeat myself before anyone wants to flame me. I support ads. I do not support making MAL into a second rate website. And lastly, I definitely do believe there should be an option to donate/pay so that those users can browse MAL ad free without having to resort to ad block. (especially with the way ads are now) QFT. (Again, it looks like.) |
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| ITT: We all agree with SY. But seriously, she's right. Ads are fine, poorly placed ads are not. |
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crowslayer91 said: initially shocking, but ultimately bearable. |
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| initially annoyed but ultimately complacent ^_^ |
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| As long as it helps MAL stay running, it's ok. As long as they are not popups, which are really irritating. |
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meconopsis said: selective_yellow said: I support ads. I do not support making MAL into a second rate website. I don't think the current ads make MAL into a second rate website. well said. ashura said: i don't see the problem with placing ads, it looks fine here >.< it seems the one, who placed those ads tried to make them less annoying for the users, so i really appreciate your concern... well said. you two get a thumbs up from me :Db |
GTC said: <snip> ^_^ Lol, didn't really sound like it. Sorry if I misunderstood you, didn't notice you were talking to someone else since there was no quote or anything. This post was much more coherent. |
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| I don't see the ads at all. o_0 I have absolutely no problems with them. |
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| I absolutely cannot stand ads. BUT, if it's needed to help keep MAL going, then I guess it can be tolerated. |
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| the current adds are not that bad since the site needs to survive , as for the idea of adds ... i personaly dont have any problems with some adds here and there as long as i dont get pop-ups and stuff like YOU'RE THE 1,000,000TH VISITOR OF THIS SITE! CLICK HERE TO CLAIM YOUR PRIZE!!! |
| i use firefox with adblock plus (abp) so no adds ever anyway! |
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metakim said: You see. we already saw people saying that loads of times.i use firefox with adblock plus (abp) so no adds ever anyway! So you have ad block. Thats great, me too. And i also decided to let AdBlock ON. I just made that decision now. You see. I really like MAL. But, thats not the way i want to support it. I know i can't donate either........ (dang, i'm a bad guy. lol) But thats just not the way. Meh... You guys are free to argue about anything you want. I just think you guys can't say that people who ad-block are evil. I always blocked ads. I just hate them. They are all annoying/useless/pointless/etc. And actually, i never saw anyone profit anything on it. Also, i have no obligation to see them. I really hope that the sacrifice of inserting ads is worth the problems. Because i think it won't change a thing... |
| i agree with a lot of the comments that they are shocking but it isn't that distracting. i'll be happier when they are more anime-related. the first one i saw was football, ~,~" |
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| Eh, I'm a gamespot.com regular. Initially shocking for the first day or two but now I don't even notice them, I've filed them into the "ignore" part of my brain and most of the time don't even realize they're there now. :D |
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| To be honest, by now the only ads I really mind are the big square ones on the panel and anime pages. The ads have been around for only three days, but after some considerable time has passed, we should know whether they'll stay or not. |
| I, too, don't like the square ones on the anime pages. The panel one doesn't bother me as much, probably because its width is closer to the column it's on. I can zone that one out but the anime pages one is really annoying and stands out too much. |
| same here, the column ones are ok, but the square ones are really annoying... unless you get alot more money from those, try to get rid of them or something... ill be looking foward to anime-oriented ads in the future! some of them are actually quite helpful... |
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| I don't mind the ads but if you start putting up pop ups so help me god! |
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| I cannot wait until the ads become more anime related. |
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| Don't like them but don't mind them, as long as they're appropriate and not popping up. |
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| Well the site has a great set up and ease of use, so I'm sure the ads won't really affect it... I don't mind, it'll still be a great site... |
Mojo2XL said: Well the site has a great set up and ease of use, so I'm sure the ads won't really affect it... I don't mind, it'll still be a great site... Naturally. Ads aren't going to change anything (hopefully, though the layout tweak for the sake of fitting them in is a bit weak.) I'm just disappointed Xinil didn't even consider making the donation button more noticeable before putting ads in. If he'd said "hey, we need more money to keep the site running or we're gonna get ads" then I'm sure many would have donated, and some would keep donating. As I already said, having a button or bar with XXX/150 (donate page says $150 a mo) in the header would help a lot more than the tiny link in the footer nobody even notices. I follow quite a few webcomics that make thousands a month, and they don't even provide a 'service' just entertainment. It's likely more people would be willing to donate to keep MAL running. But, ultimately it doesn't effect me because I run ABP, and even if ads are changed, I can just block them in other methods if ABP can't keep up. Is it wrong or bad? No. because I'd never click the ads anyway. So it's not like anything is being lost. I've never, ever seen an ad on the internet that has compelled me to click it, much less actually end up buying something. Anime-focused ads? So what. I buy all my DVDs direct from the R4 distributor, and I'm on their newsletter so get new release updates before any ads will. I seriously doubt the ad servers are dynamic enough to have ads that are of remote interest to me in my country anyway. That's why I run ABP, and will continue to do so. I intend to donate to the site, as I have said in the past. Perhaps on my 1 year anniversary. "Here's $50 bucks, I hope to have another great year on MAL" kind of thing. If the server costs $150 a month (and continues to, of course growth may well raise costs) then you'd only need 30 people to do that a month. You can't say "But omg I'm poor/under 18" etc, when the site has over 60 thousand users. Certainly there are enough to keep the site running that way. If Xinil wanted to make the donate button more noticeable or have people to run donation drives. But it's all moot I guess, the ads are here to stay. |
| I agree he should have tried to make the donations area more visible, especially since it seems a couple of people just donated quite a bit of money once the ads came up. Its possible many people on MAL didnt even know about the donation option. |
| anime ads FTW! I don't have any problems with the one on the navigation bar, but the one in anime pages distract me. Isn't there a way to make it at least look natural? Like remove that and add a horizontal bar at the top? I like the fact that MAL got ads, providing a steady income. Just remove that ad from anime pages so that I don't see it while reading. |
| They're totally bearable :) |
| I don't know if banners are just for earning money or to promote the MAL site (if to use banner exchange system, where your banner is shown to others more often if you show many other banners on your site) ender650 said: I agree he should have tried to make the donations area more visible, especially since it seems a couple of people just donated quite a bit of money once the ads came up. Its possible many people on MAL didnt even know about the donation option. Though it was rejected some time ago by Xinil to make donation button more noticeable. If I remember it correctly, the argument in that thread was that menu is gonna be very cluttered, that's why it was put on the bottom of the page. Thinking about design, at that time I could agree with that argument. Now... The other argument was that if people wanted to donate, they would have found this link. This doesn' work so. The more often people see the link the more often they think about it. More people would have donated (though, I guess someone said, that previously the button was in the menu but there were not many donations, so why not to move it...) All things apart, I hope the site still will have a spirit of "from Anime funs to otakus, for us all" PS Xinil, thanks for creating and developing all these. For your work which you have been doing... |
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Asako said: Naturally. Ads aren't going to change anything (hopefully, though the layout tweak for the sake of fitting them in is a bit weak.) I'm just disappointed Xinil didn't even consider making the donation button more noticeable before putting ads in. If he'd said.... blabla....wawa.....talking talk.... [refer to the specific post of Asako] .....there is an "donation button" ? HAHA! Found it.....thx for the hint! ^^ |
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| Since I was trying to do some similar MAL before knowing it (small difference: only two friends watch it, and one is me :-D) every time I watch MAL I'm asking myself why the maintainer hadn't yet put some ads on it. MAL is quite visited, in maintainers' shoes I had used it even before to make some money for the website and (how greedy am I!) f for myself. Even if I don't know many people who make bunch of money from ads, and I know some website I cease to watch because some misplaced / out of context ads. A good example of good contextual ads is AnimeNewsNetwork. I think they have your own ads service, but that type of ads is very comfortable. When they frame their website with a blue sky ads of a Shinkai movie, I think that even web advertisement could be nice, if well well placed. Perhaps, in community-based website like this, only anonymous users should be targeted by ads because they use the website but don't contribute with content (= enriching it) like registered users. Maybe, a profile checkbox could be activate / deactivate ads for registered users. But it's a maintainer's choice about how to relate with the community / ads problem. Similar problem if bad handled can split a community (Wikipedia experiences this some years ago), so be careful. |
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| The ads are ok! Keep up the good work. |
chirale said: So does that mean MAL is the 2441st most visited website in Canada?Since I was trying to do some similar MAL before knowing it (small difference: only two friends watch it, and one is me :-D) every time I watch MAL I'm asking myself why the maintainer hadn't yet put some ads on it. MAL is quite visited, in maintainers' shoes I had used it even before to make some money for the website and (how greedy am I!) f for myself. Even if I don't know many people who make bunch of money from ads, and I know some website I cease to watch because some misplaced / out of context ads. A good example of good contextual ads is AnimeNewsNetwork. I think they have your own ads service, but that type of ads is very comfortable. When they frame their website with a blue sky ads of a Shinkai movie, I think that even web advertisement could be nice, if well well placed. Perhaps, in community-based website like this, only anonymous users should be targeted by ads because they use the website but don't contribute with content (= enriching it) like registered users. Maybe, a profile checkbox could be activate / deactivate ads for registered users. But it's a maintainer's choice about how to relate with the community / ads problem. Similar problem if bad handled can split a community (Wikipedia experiences this some years ago), so be careful. |
wtfyourface said: MistaCloudStrife said: OVER 9000!!!From 100-1000, how much do you love LWL? |
I don't really mind the ads that much, except for the ads that cover up my screen like this: ^^ this just pisses me off |
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| as long as it's not one of those that talks, saying, "congratulations! you've just won a FREE xbox!" |
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| I think this discussion is over already... Ads are staying. Xin said that later they would be more site related period. There is no more need in replying |
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