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| Still not seeing how the sensei was a slut or a whore. 1. The student's dad was unmarried. What's wrong with a woman fucking an unmarried man? Just because she's the kid's teacher? Oh please. 2. Aki wasn't raped. I'm pretty sure Aki could've kicked her ass if he wanted to. Pretty fucking consensual by the looks of it at the end of the episode. Surprising how a show can get so much better when certain characters are completely omitted or shafted to a nearly non-existant role in the episode. |
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Wasabi said: Still not seeing how the sensei was a slut or a whore. 1. The student's dad was unmarried. What's wrong with a woman fucking an unmarried man? Just because she's the kid's teacher? Oh please. 2. Aki wasn't raped. I'm pretty sure Aki could've kicked her ass if he wanted to. Pretty fucking consensual by the looks of it at the end of the episode. This this this. Sadly it seems that this thread and fanbase is populated by mormons. |
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Fai said: SOILED MY PURE WAIFU RAGE ARGH FUCK SLUT WHOREWasabi said: Still not seeing how the sensei was a slut or a whore. 1. The student's dad was unmarried. What's wrong with a woman fucking an unmarried man? Just because she's the kid's teacher? Oh please. 2. Aki wasn't raped. I'm pretty sure Aki could've kicked her ass if he wanted to. Pretty fucking consensual by the looks of it at the end of the episode. This this this. Sadly it seems that this thread and fanbase is populated by mormons. |
| At least that bastard Atsushi got what he deserved. |
Wasabi said: Love is freedom,There is no problem in it, but the important thing is how the children will respond to the situation.It is quite shocking when young Children seeing his own teacher fucking with his dad .S 1. The student's dad was unmarried. What's wrong with a woman fucking an unmarried man? Just because she's the kid's teacher? Oh please. |
MorningGloryAug 20, 2011 7:53 AM
MorningGlory said: There is also the fact that Chihaya was the one who pinned down Aki, he just did not give a fuck about sex but I get the feeling Chihaya forced herself on Aki. Aki could not beat her up because he did not care about all this. His life was not in danger therefore no need.Wasabi said: Love is freedom,There is no problem in it, but the important thing is how the children will respond to the situation.It is quite shocking when young Children seeing his own teach fucking with his dad .S 1. The student's dad was unmarried. What's wrong with a woman fucking an unmarried man? Just because she's the kid's teacher? Oh please. |
| Aki could not beat her up because he did not care about all this. His life was not in danger therefore no need. Lol no. He like sensei in a sorta of platonic way and sensei like him, she don't force him O_o, they like eachother and simply go sleep, normal. But well i wont enter in a rl comparison because is stupid, is an anime with a fictional story and fictional chars and law, moral, behaviour matter zero. :) |
Fn76Aug 20, 2011 8:45 AM
MorningGlory said: Wasabi said: Love is freedom,There is no problem in it, but the important thing is how the children will respond to the situation.It is quite shocking when young Children seeing his own teacher fucking with his dad .S 1. The student's dad was unmarried. What's wrong with a woman fucking an unmarried man? Just because she's the kid's teacher? Oh please. Well of course any kid walking in on their parents doing the nasty would be traumatized. Still doesn't make the sensei a slut/whore or put her in the wrong for getting it on in the first place. It's not like she intended to have the kid walk in on them. Yumekichi11 said: MorningGlory said: There is also the fact that Chihaya was the one who pinned down Aki, he just did not give a fuck about sex but I get the feeling Chihaya forced herself on Aki. Aki could not beat her up because he did not care about all this. His life was not in danger therefore no need.Wasabi said: Love is freedom,There is no problem in it, but the important thing is how the children will respond to the situation.It is quite shocking when young Children seeing his own teach fucking with his dad .S 1. The student's dad was unmarried. What's wrong with a woman fucking an unmarried man? Just because she's the kid's teacher? Oh please. Still not rape if he let her hop on his dick. |
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Wasabi said: Fine I will leave it at that but the same happened with Haruka in Yosuga no Sora. It still did not mean he let her hop on his dick even if it looked like it. I am talking more of the point from Chihaya's state as she did that pinning down. Only thing is that Aki was not a wuss like Haruka.Yumekichi11 said: MorningGlory said: There is also the fact that Chihaya was the one who pinned down Aki, he just did not give a fuck about sex but I get the feeling Chihaya forced herself on Aki. Aki could not beat her up because he did not care about all this. His life was not in danger therefore no need.Wasabi said: Love is freedom,There is no problem in it, but the important thing is how the children will respond to the situation.It is quite shocking when young Children seeing his own teach fucking with his dad .S 1. The student's dad was unmarried. What's wrong with a woman fucking an unmarried man? Just because she's the kid's teacher? Oh please. Still not rape if he let her hop on his dick. |
| usually people need to date a person ,go movie, holding hand then lastly only the kiss and maybe sex. but in this Anime,I felt like the Sensei skip all those .Fast love relationship development like this could make people say Sensei is a slut. Yumekichi11 said: Fine I will leave it at that but the same happened with Haruka in Yosuga no Sora. Incest is a more advance level of love relationship, it is understandable that most people don't understand it. |
MorningGloryAug 20, 2011 11:11 AM
MorningGlory said: usually people need to date a person ,go movie, holding hand then lastly only the kiss and maybe sex. but in this Anime,I felt like the Sensei skip all those .Fast love relationship development like this could make people say Sensei is a slut. few hundred years ago? Maybe. So she skipped all the formalities, so what? Sexual relationship does not make one A "slut", unless one using word is living in secluded mormon village in the middle of mountains. |
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MorningGlory said: I was not talking about that <_< I was talking about Nao raping Haruka. Haruka looked to have the same expression as Aki does.usually people need to date a person ,go movie, holding hand then lastly only the kiss and maybe sex. but in this Anime,I felt like the Sensei skip all those .Fast love relationship development like this could make people say Sensei is a slut. Yumekichi11 said: Fine I will leave it at that but the same happened with Haruka in Yosuga no Sora. Incest is a more advance level of love relationship, it is understandable that most people don't understand it. |
| A surprisingly good episode to an otherwise mediocre show. I was even amazed that the teacher was not this goody two-shoes character; instead, she was portrayed rather realistically. Quite frankly, I never expected that of this anime. |
| I liked the teacher at first, then she had to go and do that to Aki. That really annoyed me. Why would you do something like that in the situation you are in? For some reason this really makes me tick. |
| Jesus Christ, what a slut. Most of that didn't matter. |
| Real cool episode, I'm glad we know more about Aki now.. seems his character is more complicated than we think. To add to the slut or no slut debate: The first time she slept with a student's dad is a hard one, we don't know why she did it. I suppose it's alright when she was looking for a relationship, that doesn't make her a slut.. and she couldn't help the kid walking in on them. As for the part with Aki, I don't think she's a slut in that either. She moved to a relatively closely woven village as a stranger and she's been treated like an outcast from the very beginning and even more after the Seki harassed her. The only person who treated her normally was Aki so I think it would only be logical for her to develop a form of affection for him. Likewise from Aki's side, everyone has been calling him a bastard and he's an outsider in the village (as villager) and the only person who can talk to him normally/ treats him like a person and not as a piece of shit, is sensei. Conclusion: sensei just had VERY bad luck. And the first time she could have been considered to be a slut, but we can't tell because we don't know the story behind her actions. And with Aki it was love, so in that case she's not a slut, just lonely. |
Wuppie said: Conclusion: sensei just had VERY bad luck. And the first time she could have been considered to be a slut, but we can't tell because we don't know the story behind her actions. And with Aki it was love, so in that case she's not a slut, just lonely. with a bad record from the past and having sex with the village most troublesome person(Aki) .I still don't understand why she still continue stay in the village.She made a worse mistake of loving Aki and this is not the first time. maybe not a slut, only dumb |
MorningGlory said: Wuppie said: Conclusion: sensei just had VERY bad luck. And the first time she could have been considered to be a slut, but we can't tell because we don't know the story behind her actions. And with Aki it was love, so in that case she's not a slut, just lonely. with a bad record from the past and having sex with the village most troublesome person(Aki) .I still don't understand why she still continue stay in the village.She made a worse mistake of loving Aki and this is not the first time. maybe not a slut, only dumb What record? Having a sexual life? AngelicFeces said: Jesus Christ, what a slut. Most of that didn't matter. why? Because she engaged in sexual relationship with adult single man in the past? or because she did stuff together with Aki? neither of those make her a "slut". |
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Fai said: almost killing father's son. Good thing he did not die, but still she need to leave the school because it will bring bad reputation.What record? Having a sexual life? Ofcourse the kid get shock and get hit by car has nothing to do with Sensei, but still she need to take responsible for that. Same goes to Aki. Although Aki kill many people because of Sensei, but still she need to take some responsible for that. Its the same thing |
MorningGloryAug 21, 2011 7:43 AM
MorningGlory said: Fai said: almost killing father's son. Good thing he did not die, but still she need to leave the school because it will bring bad reputation.What record? Having a sexual life? Ofcourse the kid get shock and get hit by car has nothing to do with Sensei, but still she need to take responsible for that. Same goes to Aki. Although Aki kill many people because of Sensei, but still she need to take some responsible for that. Its the same thing erm. no, no its not. |
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Fai said: MorningGlory said: usually people need to date a person ,go movie, holding hand then lastly only the kiss and maybe sex. but in this Anime,I felt like the Sensei skip all those .Fast love relationship development like this could make people say Sensei is a slut. few hundred years ago? Maybe. So she skipped all the formalities, so what? Sexual relationship does not make one A "slut", unless one using word is living in secluded mormon village in the middle of mountains. I thought you could actually explain yourself logically and defend your claim that she is not a slut, but I see you failed repeatedly. "So she skipped all the formalities, so what?" That's why you have loose bitches who open their legs for any man they're attracted to aka Chihaya. It's explicit in the anime that she wanted to violate Aki regardless of what he wanted (he probably did want it, what male doesn't want free sex? Since he had a similar face to the kid of the father she fucked, she wanted to have sex with him. Even animals court before they fuck. All she did was look, saw what she wanted, and took it. SLUT. End of story period. |
neverLampAug 21, 2011 3:22 PM
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d4n13lr0x said: "So she skipped all the formalities, so what?" That's why you have loose bitches who open their legs for any man they're attracted to aka Chihaya. It's explicit in the anime that she wanted to violate Aki regardless of what he wanted (he probably did want it, what male doesn't want free sex? Since he had a similar face to the kid of the father she fucked, she wanted to have sex with him. Even animals court before they fuck. All she did was look, saw what she wanted, and took it. SLUT. End of story period. Hold on, you are not making any sense here. First, you said "regardless of what he wanted" and then you said "he probably did want it". Which one are you trying to say here? Did he agree to have sex or not? Or maybe you are saying she was trying to rape Aki while he was agreeing to be raped? How is that called "violated" when the other side agreed with? LOL Honestly you people, what kind of ideal women is in your fantasy? And really, what kind of education that you learn from that told you when 2 people having sex will automatically make the girl a slut? |
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Archie74 said: I didn't really see a connection between "sensei" and Kyohei, at least not enough for anything more than a boyish crush on an older woman. The hints from previous episodes made it seem as if Kyohei and the Sensei may have had a more intimate relationship, but it wasn't Kyohei who got into that cookie jar. Sensei was indeed a very immoral person; sleeps with a student's father and then sleeps with a 15(?) year old boy because of his eyes reminded her of that student... Wow. There was more than just that, both of them were outsiders and lonely. She saw a lot of herself in Aki due to how they were both treated by the village (gotta say Aki's got that place pegged, it's definitely a shithole). The dialogue screwed things up really, in reality she was drawn to him first to try and save him (he had the same eyes as that kid who got hit by the car) and then because they were both outcasts in the village. Just try and ignore the whole revenge crap in the dialogue, it was so out-of-place with what was happening I think the staff made stuff up instead of following the script. o_O My only real complaint is that Asuhi didn't die slowly and painfully enough. That guy deserved to be tortured to death for a loooong time. What a fucking asshole, world's better off without him. |
| The level of misogyny in this thread is overwhelming. Why so sexually frustrated, Chihaya haters? |
| I've been wondering for a while why I haven't dropped this yet. Something just kept me hooked (but frustrated, neverthless), and after this episode, I realized it's Aki. I love his character, and I've been waiting for this resolution ever since the first episode. This episode was among the top 2 so far, the best one being episode 4, in my opinion. I will never really like the art, but the directing was decent. Another strong point was the music. |
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DrHouse said: nahh, its just jealously frustrated. That's my personal reason .I have the right to jealous ^.^The level of misogyny in this thread is overwhelming. Why so sexually frustrated, Chihaya haters? |
MoonFox said: Wow.. I didn't know this teacher they were so obsessed over was such a hoe. She obviously couldn't care less about Kyohei in the first place, she slept with his good friend, (at the time they were friends). Oh! come on people relax. She was just a woman and a human being with her own weaknesses. This hoe-slut things are uptight bullshit. She had no obligation to respond to Kyohei's feelings. Besides he only had a crush on probably the only decent looking mature woman he could approach and see. His love was as thin as it gets. She just felt some attraction to Aki because he seemed to suffer there as much as she. She wanted to feel close to someone and felt that Aki was the soul closest to her own. Besides he wasn't even her student, Kyohei was. What i don't understand now was why is Kyohei so angry with Aki if that was the story? It would have made sense if he still thought Aki was the one who killed the teacher but now he knows the truth so what exactly is his problem with him? As about Kyhoei. Well he can be accused for being all talk and no actions in this case since he had his opinions but whenever he objected and the others told him to do something himself he acted too cowardly. Or maybe even worse he seemed to try to kind of sell his protection. The talk with the teacher could also be interpreted as "i could protect you but you have to become my woman". Like that if she said to him "yes please protect me" then only then he will have acted and she would have been kind of oblige to him and not able to reject his feelings. I guess you can say that his behavior although not favorable was not something strange for a boy at his age though so it can be understandable but Aki was definitely of a completely different mindset and was seeing the truth more clearly. At present time though Aki does overact. I mean after that he seems to just not care killing just anyone now. But well he did spend a lot of years in a stupid cell and that can't help calming you down much. DrHouse said: The level of misogyny in this thread is overwhelming. Why so sexually frustrated, Chihaya haters? I don't think it's simple misogyny but more like a hate pattern against any character that is actually human. Maybe they hate them because they remind them of their own weakness. Take for example the hate against a character like Shinji from Evangelion and the crazy love against a completely unrealistic overoptimistic fool like Kamina from TTGL. I think one reason is that most are teenagers with relatively easy lives that just can't empathize with the suffering and emotions characters might have and they just want to see everyone acting like bad-asses. They never really came face to face with there own weaknesses so they have no feelings of empathy against characters that do. They just want to see even more awesome characters than themselves on the screen to idolize instead of a human soul to empathize with. |
MonadAug 22, 2011 3:34 AM
DrHouse said: The level of misogyny in this thread is overwhelming. Why so sexually frustrated, Chihaya haters? I think majority of this thread just illustrates the anime fanbase's disconnection from the real world and human relationships. I open this thread and I feel like in some rural mormon village in the desert somewhere in usa, with people praying to god while preparing to burn a woman because she dresses in colored clothes instead of black and white. What I learned from this thread: - Woman taking initiative in sexual relationship is obviously rape and the witch should burn. - Woman having sex with someone obviously makes her a slut! And why did she not have chastity belt on? Burn her!111oneone - Feeling attracted or seeking comfort in sexual relationship is bad and woman deserves to get gangraped and killed for that |
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| Sensei's bad rumor spread out in the village when she start teaching in the first day. Of course, such rumor will lure in pervert like Asuhi because they think that she is a easy women.Her small mistake already ruin her live (._.*) |
MorningGloryAug 22, 2011 4:14 AM
Fai said: DrHouse said: The level of misogyny in this thread is overwhelming. Why so sexually frustrated, Chihaya haters? I think majority of this thread just illustrates the anime fanbase's disconnection from the real world and human relationships. I open this thread and I feel like in some rural mormon village in the desert somewhere in usa, with people praying to god while preparing to burn a woman because she dresses in colored clothes instead of black and white. What I learned from this thread: - Woman taking initiative in sexual relationship is obviously rape and the witch should burn. - Woman having sex with someone obviously makes her a slut! And why did she not have chastity belt on? Burn her!111oneone - Feeling attracted or seeking comfort in sexual relationship is bad and woman deserves to get gangraped and killed for that Unfortunately those things are engraved as people grow-up by their environment and only the few really ope-minded get over them as they grow-up(and most here are still trying to grow-up). The others continue being like the mormon villages you describe spreading their silly hate to their children. But this along with what i said above makes a circle of most of the reasons. |
Fai said: Yeah there is a lot you are right but not all are disconnected.DrHouse said: I think majority of this thread just illustrates the anime fanbase's disconnection from the real world and human relationships.The level of misogyny in this thread is overwhelming. Why so sexually frustrated, Chihaya haters? Fai said: I open this thread and I feel like in some rural mormon village in the desert somewhere in usa, with people praying to god while preparing to burn a woman because she dresses in colored clothes instead of black and white. OK, there are lots of people who are religious in watching anime so can't be bad to feel like that because it is like that. The Mormon village is a bit offset. Fai said: I don't see that at all.What I learned from this thread: - Woman taking initiative in sexual relationship is obviously rape and the witch should burn. Fai said: I don't see that except that woman who have sex should take things into consideration and not like Chihaya said "Things lead to others. She should have waited a little more, you know plan around and the kid not being alerted by all this.- Woman having sex with someone obviously makes her a slut! And why did she not have chastity belt on? Burn her!111oneone Fai said: It is wrong to use sex as means to an end of personal gratification is more what people should have meant. It's kind of like being opposed to one night stands. It might fulfill 2 people but like a bandage only. Thus why Chihaya wanted to leave with Aki somewhere, that made her at least sound serious in the relation with Aki but let the law find out about his age and she will be in shit.- Feeling attracted or seeking comfort in sexual relationship is bad and woman deserves to get gangraped and killed for that |
Monad said: I don't think it's simple misogyny but more like a hate pattern against any character that is actually human. Maybe they hate them because they remind them of their own weakness. Take for example the hate against a character like Shinji from Evangelion and the crazy love against a completely unrealistic overoptimistic fool like Kamina from TTGL. I think one reason is that most are teenagers with relatively easy lives that just can't empathize with the suffering and emotions characters might have and they just want to see everyone acting like bad-asses. They never really came face to face with there own weaknesses so they have no feelings of empathy against characters that do. They just want to see even more awesome characters than themselves on the screen to idolize instead of a human soul to empathize with. This contains so much truth. We had people crying over how "stupid and whiny and weak Saya was in blood+" We had people complaining over characters with psychological problems and insecurities like the lead of soukou no strain. We had the whole Katsushiro incident in the ending parts of Samurai7 and fanbase started hating him for that with outrageous intensity. Any character that does not look like standard character, any character that has human-like flaws, any character that is allowed to feel or be weak at least for a moment gets a lot of hate Even in this thread we have people claiming on how sensei "should have thought and done that and that and waited for that and that" as if every character should be a sociopath not allowed to make rash decisions. Its a major problem with anime fanbase. before that we had rage over the (gasp!) Utao acting like a child she is. As strange as it is, unlike in the majority of fiction, anime fanbase actually loves mary sue characters... however there's a lot of sexism and misogyny involved too, that connects to that. The preconceived strange notions on sexual relationships and female gender overall play a huge part in it. |
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Fai said: I guess you are ending the discussion by saying every character that make rash decision shouldn't be judge no matter how annoying/bad manner/ignorant it is.Even in this thread we have people claiming on how sensei "should have thought and done that and that and waited for that and that" as if every character should be a sociopath not allowed to make rash decisions. Its a major problem with anime fanbase. before that we had rage over the (gasp!) Utao acting like a child she is. Imagine if you bring this theory into reality... |
Monad said: What i don't understand now was why is Kyohei so angry with Aki if that was the story? It would have made sense if he still thought Aki was the one who killed the teacher but now he knows the truth so what exactly is his problem with him? Did you miss the part were Aki slaughtered everyone else in the room, including the six or so other people that had nothing to do with what happened? Seems like more than enough of a reason to be angry. |
| Lol at people calling the teacher a slut. I might start calling the male lead of harem anime pimps. Way to go for sexism. Other than that, nice background episode that cleared up a lot of things. Once again, people need to stop raging hard for this or that lol. However, I must admit it is hard to differentiate between a weak characterization and an actually realistic personality to the untrained eye. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
Tanrim said: Monad said: What i don't understand now was why is Kyohei so angry with Aki if that was the story? It would have made sense if he still thought Aki was the one who killed the teacher but now he knows the truth so what exactly is his problem with him? Did you miss the part were Aki slaughtered everyone else in the room, including the six or so other people that had nothing to do with what happened? Seems like more than enough of a reason to be angry. No, that only explains why he might not like seeing him around his sister or being friendly with him again but it does not explain the very personal anger he seems to show against him at times. Except if one of those slaughter was someone he had some kind of pond or special feelings about i don't see it. Maybe is because Aki reminds him of the death of the teacher and he feels so anguished seeing him but still i think his being kind of unfair since the teacher would have been raped and abuse Aki or not. Even her survival is questionable because if she didn't jump to protect Aki it's very possible she might have killed herself than accept being the fuck toy of those assholes. MorningGlory said: Fai said: I guess you are ending the discussion by saying every character that make rash decision shouldn't be judge no matter how annoying/bad manner/ignorant it is.Even in this thread we have people claiming on how sensei "should have thought and done that and that and waited for that and that" as if every character should be a sociopath not allowed to make rash decisions. Its a major problem with anime fanbase. before that we had rage over the (gasp!) Utao acting like a child she is. Imagine if you bring this theory into reality... wakka9ca said: However, I must admit it is hard to differentiate between a weak characterization and an actually realistic personality to the untrained eye. There's your answer. You just have to realize when a character is just ridiculous and stupidly weak or just humanly weak and realistic. That's what many fail to see. |
wakka9ca said: Lol at people calling the teacher a slut. I agree that she shouldn't be call a slut for this. But it worth pointing out that she took had sex with a 15sh~ (maybe) year old boy who was oblivious about interpersonal relationships. On top of that she didn't do it because she had feeling of any sort for him, she was on a delicate spot and he remind him someone of her past. She didn't deserve what she got. She was trying to have a new start but everyone n that village is crazy = \ To other topics: - Foreshadow for Kyouhei taking back Kukuri when shit goes down? - It's kind of weird that is because of this and not because of the event from episode one that Kyohei stop been a seiki. |
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Monad said: No, that only explains why he might not like seeing him around his sister or being friendly with him again but it does not explain the very personal anger he seems to show against him at times. Except if one of those slaughter was someone he had some kind of pond or special feelings about i don't see it. Maybe is because Aki reminds him of the death of the teacher and he feels so anguished seeing him but still i think his being kind of unfair since the teacher would have been raped and abuse Aki or not. Even her survival is questionable because if she didn't jump to protect Aki it's very possible she might have killed herself than accept being the fuck toy of those assholes. All the people that were killed were probably part of the Kuga clan. So it's not really much of a stretch to think there was family and/or friends included in the body count. Kyohei and Aki were friends. Seeing the aftermath of Aki going crazy and killing all those people should have had a serious and personal impact on him. Add in the dynamic of the teacher and it gets all the worse. Kyohei didn't know that Aki wasn't responsible till some time after the fact. Even though Aki didn't kill her letting go of all the bitter feelings and resentment that Kyohei had toward Aki probably wasn't something he could do. He also could have blamed Aki for her death regardless. Either way, mass murder isn't really one of those things you can just forgive and forget. |
TanrimAug 22, 2011 10:53 AM
choyos said: wakka9ca said: Lol at people calling the teacher a slut. I agree that she shouldn't be call a slut for this. But it worth pointing out that she took had sex with a 15sh~ (maybe) year old boy who was oblivious about interpersonal relationships. On top of that she didn't do it because she had feeling of any sort for him, she was on a delicate spot and he remind him someone of her past. I think that people didn't really get that well and over-appreciated those words. It's not really because he reminded her of that student she slept with him at all. That comment exchange shouldn't be taken as literally. In a way they were just saying to each other how fucked up they were. She mostly slept with him because she felt like he was the only soul close to her own in that village where she felt so alone. Along with the saving her at the right moment made things role. And the reason she wasn't in the position to just stop herself from sleeping with a boy that might have been still too young was because she was in such an emotional stress that she just needed to feel loved and touched desperately. She was too destroyed to have the power to use such self-defenses. Damn am not even a woman for Christ sakes and i can feel and understand her emotional state and weakness. Come on people, empathy, empathy, use it. Personally i don't even see what the big problem is if he was 15 year olds is not like she made him marry her but anyway. So what if he never had interpersonal relationship before what's wrong with having one with her, he wasn't even her student? But those are just my opinions and i know most people are more prude and stuck on such staff. Tanrim said: Monad said: No, that only explains why he might not like seeing him around his sister or being friendly with him again but it does not explain the very personal anger he seems to show against him at times. Except if one of those slaughter was someone he had some kind of pond or special feelings about i don't see it. Maybe is because Aki reminds him of the death of the teacher and he feels so anguished seeing him but still i think his being kind of unfair since the teacher would have been raped and abuse Aki or not. Even her survival is questionable because if she didn't jump to protect Aki it's very possible she might have killed herself than accept being the fuck toy of those assholes. All the people that were killed were probably part of the Kuga clan. So it's not really much of a stretch to think there was family and/or friends included in the body count. Kyohei and Aki were friends. Seeing the aftermath of Aki going crazy and killing all those people should have had a serious and personal impact on him. Add in the dynamic of the teacher and it gets all the worse. Kyohei didn't know that Aki wasn't responsible till some time after the fact. Even though Aki didn't kill her letting go of all the bitter feelings and resentment that Kyohei had toward Aki probably wasn't something he could do. He also could have blamed Aki for her death regardless. Either way, mass murder isn't really one of those things you can just forgive and forget. The part you said that is in bold might have more to do with it than the people killed because i think that if they really where so important to him their death wouldn't have been left so much on the background considering he was the one telling the story. |
Monad said: Tanrim said: Monad said: What i don't understand now was why is Kyohei so angry with Aki if that was the story? It would have made sense if he still thought Aki was the one who killed the teacher but now he knows the truth so what exactly is his problem with him? Did you miss the part were Aki slaughtered everyone else in the room, including the six or so other people that had nothing to do with what happened? Seems like more than enough of a reason to be angry. No, that only explains why he might not like seeing him around his sister or being friendly with him again but it does not explain the very personal anger he seems to show against him at times. Except if one of those slaughter was someone he had some kind of pond or special feelings about i don't see it. Maybe is because Aki reminds him of the death of the teacher and he feels so anguished seeing him but still i think his being kind of unfair since the teacher would have been raped and abuse Aki or not. Even her survival is questionable because if she didn't jump to protect Aki it's very possible she might have killed herself than accept being the fuck toy of those assholes. IMO there's most likely something yet unsaid about the whole stuff. We do know there are more flashbacks incoming. After this episode I would be not surprised on if it was Kyohei who spread around those photos of sensei's. However overall I doubt they would do that to protagonist. However right now I think the majority of his anger towards aki is actually directed towards himself. Kyohei did not act. he did nothing. Aki did. He does seem to alternate between "ill treat you a lunch" and "ill beat you to a pulp" when related towards aki. |
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Monad said: you can't say Sensei is weak .When Kyohei offer help to her, Sensei did not accept his help.After the she hit Atsuhi , she also get a warning from principal and Sensei is well aware of her current situation.Furthermore, Sensei has similar bad experience from the past.She is actually very self independent until shit just got real. She actually has many chance to turn back but yet she keep on fighting .There's your answer. You just have to realize when a character is just ridiculous and stupidly weak or just humanly weak and realistic. That's what many fail to see. At post #137,actually the statement that Fai mention completely denying all the moral and the law of what human created . So what is the use of human discussing on moral and making law ? ....I pretty much loss my motivation to argue after reading that statement T,T Monad said: She mostly slept with him because she felt like he was the only soul close to her own in that village where she felt so alone. Along with the saving her at the right moment made things role. In the past ,I believe that Sensei is regret that he didn't save the student that get hit by car. Now, she take the Seki blow to cover Aki because Aki remind Sensei of the student that she couldn't save in the past. Sensei is just simply paying the Sin of her past, I don't feel any love bloom here ... |
MorningGlory said: Monad said: you can't say Sensei is weak .When Kyohei offer help to her, Sensei did not accept his help.After the she hit Atsuhi , she also get a warning from principal and Sensei is well aware of her current situation.Furthermore, Sensei has similar bad experience from the past.She is actually very self independent until shit just got real. She actually has many chance to turn back but yet she keep on fighting .There's your answer. You just have to realize when a character is just ridiculous and stupidly weak or just humanly weak and realistic. That's what many fail to see. Although you gave her credit in a few things that weren't because of showing strength the thing is that in some things she was weak in others she was strong that's exactly what makes her human. Some decisions where right some where wrong. She was up and down and she was just a woman in the end. The thing is that she was weak and strong, simple and complicated at the same time like humans are. MorningGlory said: Monad said: She mostly slept with him because she felt like he was the only soul close to her own in that village where she felt so alone. Along with the saving her at the right moment made things role. In the past ,I believe that Sensei is regret that he didn't save the student that get hit by car. Now, she take the Seki blow to cover Aki because Aki remind Sensei of the student that she couldn't save in the past. Sensei is just simply paying the Sin of her past, I don't feel any love bloom here ... Am not talking about some love bloom or passionate romance ether but it wasn't something as paying a sin or anything like that. It's more about needs. Besides that student survived. His eyes where similar to that students because that student eyes had the emptiness of pain and Aki eyes had the look of a person that was feeling lonely and empty because of pain the same as her own in the end. It was about her eyes and his eyes more that her student's in the past. They where two souls being hated and chased (the demon-the whore), two souls feeling lonely and in pain so it was natural to come together even just from need than anything else. A love out of pain than a love out of romance if you get my drift. |
MonadAug 22, 2011 12:12 PM
Monad said: the student and Aki's eye doesn't really have to be empty and lonely. student eyes had the emptiness of pain and Aki eyes had the look of a person that was feeling lonely and empty because of pain the same as her own in the end. When my dad fucking with an unknown women, I think anger and betray is much more fitting. Aki sense of justice is very strong from the beginning when he save the dog, but in the past we heard that Aki killed alot of Animal .So why now he save the dog? many people misunderstand Aki and he is simply betrayed big time. sorry for the last statement I said .I think I went over board on bashing Sensei's mistake T.T |
MorningGloryAug 22, 2011 4:30 PM
Fai said: After this episode I would be not surprised on if it was Kyohei who spread around those photos of sensei's. However overall I doubt they would do that to protagonist. Funny I was thinking the same about the pictures. Anyway I'm sure Kyouhei did not tell everything, if he did not simply lie. It seems as they all hide something (except Utao), even Hibino is sometimes suspicious (but it's maybe just because she's a powerful seki and she does not know yet). And also people, please, ffs... |
| i think the quote "the one who has never sinned throw the first stone" suits this. I guess there are here people filled with perfection and virtue that never made a mistake? Im definitely not one of those, and i dont want to be, and plus, i doubt those who are flaming Chihaya are. Because everyone can point out other people mistakes, but what about looking yourselves in the mirror when u bash her? So, if u had a nice interesting person, felt attracted for that person and wanted to have sex with that person, having sex makes u a slut/gigolo? she would be a slut if he was married because she would be hurting other people, but in this case, she was just on the wrong place. the kid probably got home sooner and caught them. They should have gone to a hotel, lol. Having sex with Aki sure was not the best option, but hey, can u really blame her? she didnt raped him, because he liked her. he liked her a lot, otherwise he wouldnt listen to her and everyday he waited for her to walk the dog. Which name did Aki screamed while crying and slaughtering everyone? Chihaya! he might not love her, but he definitely liked her enough to have sex with her, to take walks with her, to accept her by his side, and being obviously happy for not being alone anymore. Now everyone is "oh poor Kyohei". Yeah, because the guy suffered a lot, wow. the guy who had a platonic love for sensei, that didnt do anything at all to help her. that did anything at all to help Aki. Aki payed for his sins. When he killed those people he let himself be arrested without resistance, spent many years on the village´s jail. But being in prison forever for Aki its too much. The guy suffered his childhood like hell. Shitty family, always being alone, being despised by a whole village, and your only friend who talks to him (kyohei) actually does not hang out with him, so, that makes Kyohei another ass just like the villagers. Being friend just in words is not a real friend. Friends are for when u need them. to cry, to laugh, to spend time. But Aki was always alone. The guy lost the only two beings who ever gave him love: the dog and Chihaya. Not saying that killing the villagers was right because it wasnt, but he paid for it in the jail, again alone in a dark place, chained, for years. so that´s enough. If Chihaya was a slut than the majority of the world is filled with Sluts right now. The woman suffered. She was lonely on that village. She only had Aki and he only had her. she was raped by Atsushi and his friends. And she gave her own life to protect the life of the boy she loved. those who call her a slut...imagine yourself in her situation and then after raped, having to stand up with your body and soul hurting and run to be stabbed on the back to save the one u love and die =_= yeah right, she is so slutty. she is really hateful. she is such a bitch for having sex. Because we all know having sex with a person you like is wrong and the babies come from the flowers. she is the worst, after all, because she loved Atsushi so much and when she said "let me go" in reality she just wanted to be raped by him and his entire group because its a wonderful sensation to be abused and mistreated by several people. and she should just have let Aki die. Bahhh, what a hateful nasty evil woman! *sarcastic mode on* |
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| Wow. That was one awesome episode. It easily shot up my rating for this show by 2 points. I'm not usually very emotional, but the directing in this one was beautifully played. I don't see anything wrong with sensei sleeping with one pupil's father. The guy wasn't married anymore. Sure, it was risky, but not wrong in my book. Too bad the incident messed her up so badly to lead to raping Aki. That was horrible. No idea whether I feel sorry for her, I guess not. She shouldn't have stayed in the village after Atsushi first assaulted her. I can only guess that she was too psychologically unstable. At least she saved Aki in the end... but what she had done to him was unacceptable, he was too young and it happened too fast for him. I think he did have feelings for sensei, but not even bordering on the carnal kind. That was more reserved for Kyohei. Also imho she got raped by Atsushi and/maybe his goons. She did have clothes on, but it was a dress. They didn't need to take it off her completely. And the end with Hibino crying - I immediately thought that she was crying because this story was so emotionally taxing and because of what she saw in Moyako's memories in the forest - what could have been if Aki wasn't pushed off the edge. I didn't find the scene with Aki playing with the dog and laughing out of place or OOC. This was younger Aki, it implied that he could have been a normal boy and that there was still hope for him. Made me think if his abnormal behavior was there from the very beginning or it just got worse because of how the village treated him. I didn't expect this kind of depth in this anime. Now I can't help but wonder whether Kyohei's hate towards Aki has some deeper roots than just "'cause he killed them". I.e. because Aki actually did something, unlike Kyohei himself who just let all this happen despite having more means to stop it than Aki. Instead of hating himself (though it's still there, just buried deep), he projects his hate on Aki. He may even feel that Aki had the reason to snap and he was punished too severely - and that it was a misjustice that Aki just took it, didn't resist being locked in jail for all those years, while Kyohei himself had his freedom and normal life. Village's verdict notwithstanding, it wouldn't surprise me if Kyohei was blaming himself for sensei's death and what happened to Aki. It's not uncommon to hate a person whom one had wronged. It doesn't need to be rational, but it's human. On other note, I too am shocked by the amount of sexism and hate towards the teacher, particularly her affair with pupil's father. That in no way labels her as a slut. If anything, her reputation as teacher was at risk, nothing else. Regarding Aki, I do think it was rape and it was obviously very wrong, but I do understand why she did this. Monad explained it quite well. |
| ^^To Orulyon and Dhuaine: You nailed it right. Many of the male viewers here are so indoctrinated in their ideologies <_< You cannot expect everyone to have an open mind though. Otherwise we would have reached utopia already. |
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