Neizaru said:
Nah, it's quite correct. And I'll even prove it!
Alright. Lets do this. XD
In summary:
1) affecting fate of huge empire as a single insignificant cog (trooper)
You mean like trying to destroy a whole nation that takes up 1/3 of the world with a bunch of rag-tag terrorists with limited... well... everything? Sorry, I do not care HOW awesome or intelligent or what kind of crazy eye powers there are. It ain't gonna happen. Just like Lelouch, Suzaku met the right people to advance him in the right ways. That automatically justifies being able to change things in this fashion.
2) a humongous, thouroughly rotten empire can be changed without violence, against it's psychopatic rulers will
It is only rotten due to rather poor leadership and policy. If you can change policy, it matters little. Which is what ultimately happens at the end.
If Suzaku weren't a main char he'd be dead fiften times an episode.
I am pretty sure the same can be said for Lelouch. Both had a ton of luck all through the series.
Nope. As he stated HIMSELF in R2, he was just selfish and trying to erase his guilt with a heroic kamikaze. Fact he eventually joined with L is his only redeeming point.
This is very true. However, he could have easily of done that by joining the resistance (and it would have happened faster, too.) He chose the harder path and chose to join Britannian forces. Which just means he didn't compromise what he started.
Only? For a 180 degree shift in a path that resulted in plenty of dead that's quite a lot.
Lelouch changed considerably as well, though. He did not start to really give a damn about what he was doing till he thought Nunnally was dead and he met with his father and mother in the World of C. Otherwise he was just as selfish as Suzaku. Abandoning the Black Rebellion if point enough.
You mean L's final plan? Clever ruse combined with a sucide? Suzaku seppuku tendencies finally taking effect on L, a fusion of ideals indeed xD. Personally I'd prefer he just got over it, but YMMV.
It wasn't just that. The only reason he was able to systematically take apart the Britannian leadership is because he did so as Emperor... which means he did it from INSIDE the system. Where did actively fighting against Britannia from the outside get him? Two lost Tokyo battles, losing his whole army, and having to deal with FLEIJA warheads. He did more damage from the inside than he ever accomplished with the Black Knight. So, yeah, a fusion of ideals. Destroying a nation by changing it from the inside. Nice little compromise.
1) battle in the getto - superadvanced prototype smashes L troops
That is not really luck as much as Lelouch was thrown off from the capabilities of something he never saw before. He rectifies this later in the series.
2) battle in narita - superadvanced prototype smashes L troops
Again, less luck and more coming out of no where when he did not expect it. Lelouch learns from here to expect the Lancelot to show up and be prepared for it ahead of time.
3) battle in the harbor - superadvanced prototype smashes L troops
This really did not happen. The Guren kept the Lancelot in check for most of this. Suzaku did minimal damage at best.
4) battle to rescue Tohdoh - recently upgraded super prototype holds ground against four same mecha types .
I do not call getting systematically trounced on "holding ground." Sure, Suzaku was good enough to NOT be killed right away, but Suzaku was going to die right then and there if Lelouch didn't call the attack back.
5) battle in Kyushu - superadvanced prototype smashes chinese army - and than unexpectedly gets rescued by L
Yes. That I say is luck. But that was really all Lelouch's choice, and Lelouch only did that to save a friend and show where the Black Knights stand. ALso to show what the two of them together are capable of if they worked together.
6) 1st Tokyo battle - flying upgraded superadvanced prototype smashes L troops
No. A pissed off Suzaku that no longer gave a damn attacked Lelouch's troops that do not have flight capabilities. And again, Suzaku was trapped by the Gefjun Disturbers and was once again going to die if Lloyd did not come to pick him up.
So an upper hand thanks to recent advances in technology. How lucky for him. In those technologically even fights he gets his ass kicked and barely survives.
Overkill + luck? Very much.
This is not true. He fought Kallen twice in season one with equal footing and there was no real clear victor. Not only that, but Suzaku is always fighting at a disadvantage because he was always sent in by himself to do things early on. Hell, again when he fought Kallen on the Damocles on a mostly even playing field it was borderline even.
Chigau! It's his tendencies that caused him to be geassed like that in the first place. Karmarific!
And? That does not mean anything since he still had no say in the matter and should not be held fully responsible.
And his response to genocide? Another betrayal, another suicide attempt and "it's the geass fault".
1) It was the Geass's fault.
2) He no longer cared about anything after he launched the FLEIJA warhead. This was the main shift in character he had. He became much more like Lelouch at this point. A person can only take so much before breaking. That was the final push.
Summarising, half-baked-half-crazy idealism doesn't fit the CG universe. At all.
If that is the case than Lelouch fits the description as well since his "burn everything down" policies are just as reckless and misguided as Suzaku's can be. And, really, Suzaku is just a person of high ideals. You can say what you want, but being that way may be foolish or naive, but there are plenty of people like that in real life. That is what makes me like him, because it is hard to o through this sort of thing all the way. Despite all the trash and horrid things done to him fro a corrpt system. After all is said and done, he did not really stay that way for long. He started to slowly unravel more and more after Euphemia was killed. After launching the FLEIJA we never saw this side of him again. War changed him just like it changes any one person. Hell, just like it changed Lelouch. I do not see why he is any worse a character for how he was, or what he turned into.
This isn't your average generic anime, shounen action types are a misfit.
I agree with you on it not being your average anime. That is why it is my all time favorite series. |
