Canadian Anime Streamers Beware of New LOW Bandwidth Limits

Onibokusu said:




"What are you, 5?" Was. The part would "why would I be?" In relation to the anger? No.

Onibokusu said:


You can insist you've won all you like simply because you linked a picture that's quite honestly not relevant, but it's not getting you anywhere.

Considering the strength of your dollar, the extremely high speeds and the amount of data you get with those speeds (normally unlimited), you still call your connection expensive? Your only counter argument is that I only provided one example (despite it being your major provider). I don't see that as a counterargument.



"What are you, 5?" Was. The part would "why would I be?" In relation to the anger? No.

Badhiro said:
my so called relevant "picture" holds more grounds then your baseless claims until you provide a better answer with evidence.

Badhiro said:

again you keep comparing Canada to Australia alone, when my argument is comparing it to the world scale. your picture doesn't make mine irrelevant ,why? because im not just comparing 2 countries but the world.

price to speed ratio is much better in Canada then price to speed ratio in Australia but the price to speed ratio for Japan is way better then Canada's. by comparing "ALL" the countries in both your and my graphs, i can say Canada prices are average on a world scale, can you say the same for your argument? please stop beating is dead horse.

Onibokusu said:

I was comparing the countries 1:1. You suddenly decided it was a argument about global speeds and global prices. Your argument only works if comparing all countries, which I never was. You suddenly decided I was.

Mephablo said:
I love when Australian's bitch about pricing of things, like video games and I guess now internet.

You live on a giant island all on your lonesome, of course costs will be up, especially internet as fibre has to go underwater for great distances. Australia's minimum wage is about 40-50% higher than Canada's, so the costs around roughly equal, for pretty much everything.

Onibokusu said:


Ohyou.jpg

Thinking you know how it is, that's cute. Come back when you know how it feels to have a 150% price rise on every product, ok?

The federal minimum wage is currently $15.00 per hour or $569.90 per 38 hour week (before tax).

This doesn't take into consideration sales taxes, income tax, etc, but the prices for games are about equal in terms of minimum wages earned.

Onibokusu said:


Ohyou.jpg

Thinking you know how it is, that's cute. Come back when you know how it feels to have a 150% price rise on every product, ok?

Mephablo said:
Stop cherry picking. I asked you to pick some products/services, let's compare prices. I also said the prices are probably the same give or take 10-15%. I know it sucks to be wrong, so you should try not doing it. ;)

Drunk_Samurai said:




Nobody cares.

Drunk_Samurai said:



Nobody cares.

Mephablo said:
Stop cherry picking. I asked you to pick some products/services, let's compare prices. I also said the prices are probably the same give or take 10-15%. I know it sucks to be wrong, so you should try not doing it. ;)

Grimm3r said:
Nobody but Onibokusu

Mephablo said:
Defeatist attitude. Love it.

Mephablo said:
I never once stated everything is equal. Not only do you cherry pick, you also throw in things that were never written. Bravo.

The fact is, you can't/won't provide any other examples because you don't want to be proven wrong, again. Glad to know though that you don't like getting into arguments with people that have strong opinions. Defeatist.

Onibokusu said:


Oh my, I love how you're now solely using ad hominem and claim I can't add anything to the argument. To top it all off, you act like you've won just because you assume things. You're absolutely adorable.


This'll be the last response I make to you.

ange10 said:
.same with Australia, and seriously the dude from Australia is the biggest dumbarse known to man.

just because something is more expensive for you, doesn't mean something isn't expensive for another person, its about paying alot of money for something...shit if i was a millionaire, 1 grand a month for internet would be cheap :)

Oh, and have a good read.

http://plover.net/~bonds/adhominem.html

This'll be the last response I make to you.

Thanks for proving that you did, indeed, use ad hominem. Reading the article first, rather than just Googling and linking it, would have been the better choice.

Actual instances of argumentum ad hominem are relatively rare. Ironically, the fallacy is most often committed by those who accuse their opponents of ad hominem, since they try to dismiss the opposition not by engaging with their arguments, but by claiming that they resort to personal attacks. Those who are quick to squeal "ad hominem" are often guilty of several other logical fallacies, including one of the worst of all: the fallacious belief that introducing an impressive-sounding Latin term somehow gives one the decisive edge in an argument.

Mephablo said:

#1 Way to stick to your guns. Your resolve is impressive.

You're a defeatist leaning on an improperly used Ad Hominem defense.

In fact the only counter you even offered at first was "Oh what do you know, you can't have an opinion until you live in a world with 150% price markups!" (See how easy it is to cherry pick a person's opinion with BS?) Which in return, I counter-argued actually providing some statistical analysis. With your counter-argument of "Please don't use a single focal point for comparison, that's illogical, I may have to use an Ad Hominem defense later". Which I replied let's compare then, so we can have a broader sample size to prove you are wrong, thereby proving I am superiorly awesomely right. In which you said. "I don't give a fuck in being wrong, this is the internet afterall, someone always has to be wrong. I've elected myself for this task today."

So after investing a fractional amount of my entertainment time into the argument, and coming to the realization you are a defeatist. I did the unthinkable. I called you one. DUUUN DUUUN DUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNN. And your reply? "I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I!!?!?!?!?!?!UPSIDE DOWN EXCLAMATION POINT" *slow clap* But then you said "You have stated everything is equal amongst #1 COUNTRIES! How can I defeat an absolute opinion! If only I was given an avenue to defend against such a sturdy opinion! Perhaps I am defeated?" Then I said! "Wait what? I would never make such an illogical statement! You refuse for another time to counter-argue my point, therefore you admit defeat, as someone who had any merit would argue their point vehemently to the death! That is okay! Being a defeatist is O-K. People will forgive you! They will be merciful!
Wait what? Ad Hominem? Isn't that.... *googling* Oh.... My. He didn't. *double checks* HE DID! OH. MY. GOD.

And here we are. You can feel free to respond. I suspect it will be the typical drivel you've posted thus far. What you really should do is work on arguing a point better. You're lacking in that department, and you lean on Ad Hominem as a defense when you can't/don't/won't counter-argue.

Mephablo said:
Anything else you'd like to add? Perhaps a counter-point?

The value of MGS4 is inflated due to the higher minimum wages earned in Australia. Australia's GDP is higher than Canada's, in fact the AU$ is worth more than a Canadian dollar.

And apparently you're a troll, the opinion of a few others in this thread. (I think YOU think you're clever when you're not, that's my opinion. :b).

Mephablo said:
Canada's overall GDP is higher. Per person, Australia's is. I should have made that more clear, but good job on jumping on that mistake.

I never once made up any stats. I said the majority of games are $70, not all. Do some launch at $60? Sure. Most are above that. Even at $60, being fair to you, since I'm such a nice guy, the difference is slightly higher than my estimates, because to be fair to me, the average price of games seems to be AU$108 according to EB Games Australia. (Not $120, while some are even $98) So were my estimates of 10-15% low? Sure. Maybe it's more like 15-20%.

Regardless of that.....

Cost of living comparison

I'm unsure if this factors in wage difference and just makes a comparison of converted prices. I'm under the impression it does not look at the increased minimum wage, thereby more spending power of a person at the lowest level pay. 15-21% increase in prices compared to Canada, a far cry from your 150% increase. Factor in increased wages, it more than covers the difference. Not sure how else you intend to argue this now. I think this ones in the bag. Have a great night! :)

Yes, let's base something on the price of games. That makes a ton of sense.

Mephablo said:
Australia is ranked higher here, with 3 different sources

If you intend to state something yourself as fact, please back it up. 3 different sources cite Australia's GDP per capita is higher than Canada's. Please refute with facts.

But now you're basing it just on games, when I link to the cost of living as a whole, which shows that the average cost is between 15-21% higher in Australia than in Canada. (On average, like I stated, however with slightly lower figures at first.)

I really hate to regurgitate, but I don't believe that Cost of Living comparison factors in minimum wages, which plays a HUGE role on costs. When you have to pay your employees a higher wage, it needs to come from somewhere, and consumers generally take the hit. (Cost-push inflation) This applies to everything, not just video games. Are Australian consumers getting gouged on video game prices? Probably. But when you factor in EVERY OTHER cost of living expense, with the increased earnings of the lowest paying form of employment, they earn 29% more than a Canadian, which covers the 15-21% cost difference.

Sure, no problem. You never cited Canada as being higher per capita originally. You were going for overall, also known as 'nominal', in which you were completely incorrect.

Canada's overall GDP is higher. Per person, Australia's is. I should have made that more clear, but good job on jumping on that mistake.

Thanks for playing bro, it's been swell. The cost of living is meaningless, because those necessities aren't imported for a smaller cost and then grossly increased in price for no reason whatsoever. You get that, right?

Mephablo said:

I also pointed out that...

Mephablo said:
Australia's GDP is higher than Canada's, in fact the AU$ is worth more than a Canadian dollar.

It was my intention. I corrected myself. Cherry picking again. GEEEEEZE.

But every product has a 150% increase!? But... They actually don't. You get THAT right? We can do the Dingo Two Step all day/night, but price difference isn't as bad as you believe. That's all there is to it. Unless...... *waits*

No you didn't, don't make things up. I thought you were against that.

You 'corrected' yourself incorrectly, as you never initially stated 'per capita'. It doesn't matter what you intention was, it was completely and utterly incorrect. There was nothing to make "more clear", as you never even suggested it was per capita. You just jumped on board when I mentioned it.

No, I was incorrect. It was 100% if you don't include shipping or tax. It's still a hell of a lot more than 15-20% which you have pushed over and over again. I only ever mentioned 150% once, and never again, as no matter what I did all I had to do was it was a larger than needed price increase ;D. You showed waver with your "probably", meaning I could possibly be correct. Your rock sold 'opinion' crumbled right then and there.

Mephablo said:

Clearly this is a hard concept for you to grasp, quit being obtuse. When I wrote GDP originally, it was meant as per capita. With so many facts against total GDP, it'd be asinine for me to make such an absurd statement. I corrected myself, which reasonable people do when they're wrong, but keep jumping on it if it makes you feel better.

Higher minimum wage. Cost-push Inflation. Ignore everything that factors into the price, because that's not how the real world economy works. If you can import the games and can get better value out of your dollar, do it. I can shop online at US stores and get significantly better priced things on a number of goods. It doesn't make them expensive here in Canada.

So you're admitting that Australian prices are higher than they should be, is that right? That's what I got out of that, especially if you're pushing me to import if I can (which I do).

I already admitted that Canadian prices aren't all that expensive in Canada, but that compared to Australia they're actually cheaper considering what you actually get for your dollar. No point bringing that up now.

Mephablo said:


Not at all. Rest of the world != Australia's economy. Apples and oranges.



Australian prices are higher because of cost-push inflation. If Canada's minimum wage was $15/hr (And for the record Canada on average isn't $10.25/hr, that's just Ontario.), prices of everything would go up in response. You can't use the dollar value given to something as comparison because it's the economy you live in that affects those prices. What Australia earns at the base level, compensates for the "inflated" pricing.