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| I think I just accidentally got too hooked on the fact that Tatsumi said "four" and they ended up showing Sunako's picture too. Overall it makes the most sense that Sunako is not actually a werewolf. I guess I somehow assumed that she was just "special" because she was so old, the whole time. The fourth werewolf Tatsumi is speaking of *might* be the guy who actually bit Sunako in the first place, but I don't want to dig myself further into giving out the wrong info now =_= @Iilia: I just watched that scene too, makes sense as well. |
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| @tensainobaka - Yeah, we've definitely established the Yoshie being a werewolf bit. As for Muroi, it's assumed that he became a werewolf at the end as he seemed to die, then instantly rise up, heal, kill Ookawa, and rescue Sunako which led to their escape. To avoid confusion, seeing as he had just rose up then, he was not the fourth Jinrou Tatsumi referred to. @Ellix - The guy who bit Sunako would be older than she, so I doubt Tatsumi would've ever even met him. It's amazing how simply the mentioning of a fourth Jinrou we haven't seen sparked everyone's attention. For the longest time I thought it was Seishirou, so don't feel bad you thought it was Sunako. XD |
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| Does any one know if a second season is coming out?? I really want to know whats really going to happen. |
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| Loved the series and thought this episode was really good too. I was sad to see Megumi die, and Tatsumi was too cool to die so he didn't. Those last few episodes I was sad a lot of the time when they were killing the vampires (the worst being when Ozaki was experimenting on his wife, just think waking up and having that done to you, made me sad). Overall it was a pretty good ending and wrapped up some stuff, except when they investigate the town and find all those bodies with steaks in them. There does need to be some kind of follow up, but overall the series itself was great and the ending was pretty well done. |
Iilia said: @Ellix - The guy who bit Sunako would be older than she, so I doubt Tatsumi would've ever even met him. It's amazing how simply the mentioning of a fourth Jinrou we haven't seen sparked everyone's attention. For the longest time I thought it was Seishirou, so don't feel bad you thought it was Sunako. XD I always assumed since he said he had only met four including himself, the fourth one was just not a member of the Kirishiki clan. Like maybe he encountered one in the past but they were not traveling together. Zensational said: Loved the series and thought this episode was really good too. I was sad to see Megumi die, and Tatsumi was too cool to die so he didn't. There does need to be some kind of follow up, but overall the series itself was great and the ending was pretty well done. Did Tatsumi live? Or did the dynamite kill both Natsuno and Tatsumi? I wasn't sure about that part. And I thought the ending was wrapped up pretty nicely. There are not that many loose ends as far as I could see. |
| Great series! Almost dropped it since the pacing was so slow in the beginning, glad I've finished this. Surprisingly, I was said to to see Megumi die, even though I always hated her :P |
GarLogan78 said: Did Tatsumi live? Or did the dynamite kill both Natsuno and Tatsumi? I know in my heart that he lived! |
| Nearly the whole time I was watching this series I wished for the villagers to discover the Shiki so that they could save themselves and destroy the menace. Because for most of the series that is how I thought of the Shiki as monsters and unabsolvable sinners. The humans were the victims and the Shiki the villains. As everyone knows this is reversed later and I got exactly what I hoped for. Shiki getting murdered in droves the villagers walking around covered in blood. Who ever thought that would be more horrifying than the deeds of the Shiki themselves? Now I saw them for what they were terrified human beings labeled evil for a natural reaction to an unnatural situation. And the villagers killed them for it. |
| I really like the end of the anime. I thought that Sunako will die at the end, but she survived with Muroi. |
| I'm speechless........10/10 |
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| Sunako... why you don't get killed. good eps not amazing. the ending didn't match with my hope lol |
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| This episode basically gave me everything I wanted in a Vampire/Psychological thriller. The bonus 2 episodes should help fill in a little more of nitty gritty details about some events that were not explained all the way. |
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| Didn't fell sorry for any of the Shiki deaths and I can't believe they didn't manage to kill Sunaki, damn angsty priest. |
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| what happened to seishirou? |
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shadowii said: PenPenGrass said: shadowii said: but all shiki started as human and to me that is important If I met Shiki, I'm perfectly sure that I would hunt them without any excuse. But it doesn't mean Shiki is bad. They are just dangerous for mankind like other man-eater animals for me. But if I have such thoughts in my mind, this means I'm also dangerous for Shiki. If i met a shiki i would run the fastest i can XD now seriously, i would hunt them too. its a matter of to kill or to be killed...it raises a lot of questions. Choose to die, or choose to fight... Im a very peaceful person, but i would not want to have a shiki as a neighbor and wake up on the middle of the night with my neck being bitten. Its a matter of survival. I totally understand the shiki, but since im human...i cannot stop thinking as one. Its them or us.(if i was a shiki, ofc i would hunt humans too). I mean nature its like that, only the stronger ones survive. We humans all love the little bunnies, yet we eat them. We can all swim friendly with a shark...and we can be with him many times on a friendly way...until he feels our blood and tries to eat us. Ofc, there are always exceptions. There are veggies everywhere XD i wish i could be one too... |
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PenPenGrass said: Yes, but this human was dead once as human. So when they were dead, they were released as human life once, then become Shiki which is a different creature but with human's body and memory. It's same as zombie snail controlled by some parasite (Shiki is controlled by blood btw). We cannot say zombie snail as snail anymore. If I met Shiki, I'm perfectly sure that I would hunt them without any excuse. But it doesn't mean Shiki is bad. They are just dangerous for mankind like other man-eater animals for me. But if I have such thoughts in my mind, this means I'm also dangerous for Shiki. They do retain their memories so they are different from zombies. Shiki are pretty much exactly the same as humans except they sustain themselves with blood (in addition to their weaknesses). Take for example Midori who starved herself because she didn't want to hurt someone, it's not as if she couldn't control herself she still retained her reason even while starving to death, Or just like Natsuno was able to fight them after he died and ended up killing himself. Zombies are mindless. Some of the killings were hard to watch, I hated when Toshio experimented on his wife I just think imagine waking up and wondering what's going on only to be tortured for a few hours then killed by the person you loved. Kind of sad to me all those killings, but then I understand what Kaori was going through the paranoia of when is she going to be killed. I don't think Shiki really have to kill people, but I think in this town they just wanted to make a safe haven for shiki by turning all the residents into one, so it was kill or be killed I guess but I still felt bad. I guess my opinion of them turned around after Toshio was experimenting on his wife, that was sad to me. And even though I never really liked Megumi that much I was still sad to see her die. |
| What an amazing anime. You rarely get to see a series that develops so much in just 22 episodes, from a rather dull first arc introducing almost a whole village of shallow characters to the mind-blowing savage final arc and all the story and character-building episodes in between, it was simply awesome. The atmosphere was extremely well-detailled and the second part felt really brutal and radical enough to impress even me at times. Most of all, the scenario felt right and credible from beginning to end and all the characters had a part (however small or big it may be) to play somewhere along the series, a bit like the characters from A Song Of Ice And Fire, in a different setting and format. After the first 6 episodes I would probably have rated it 7 but seeing the completedness, scope and huge success of it all, I must say it now deserves a 10. Hands down the best vampire anime ever made. |
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PenPenGrass said: Does Midori mean Ritsuko? Ritsuko was actually really patient. But I think not many Shiki can bear such demanding situation. Shiki can only drink human blood otherwise severe hunger, which is way harder than human's one (according to Tohru), would attack their stomach. So most of them tried to resist against sucking human blood first, but then they couldn't bear this great pain and started sucking the blood. Natsuno was also able to fight but one of the main reason was because he was a warwolf, so he didn't have to suck human blood and no pain for his survival. Toshio's experiment also made me feel really sad and bad. It was completely madness. It turned to a sad situation for both sides. I'd rather say it was a war between human and Shiki. Yeah, lol in my head I was like "green...her name must be midori", but yeah Ritsuko. The point was that they were able to fight their desire for blood, so they were still able to retain their reason unlike a mindless zombie that's just a host body for something else. They were conscious of what they were doing and it's not something that can't be controlled. Ritsuko in her life as a human was kind and still remained the same when she was transformed into a shiki. Obviously it would be painful and they still have problems (especially when they are first risen) drinking blood or harming people because of their previous lives, and that they still retain their reason. They still don't want to die and that fear/pain/desire drives them to drink the blood they need to survive. I guess after watching the last few episodes (begining with Toshio's wife) just made me sympathize with the shiki a lot, and like even though I never really liked Megumi her death scene was pretty sad to me. I still don't understand why they had to kill their victims other than wanting to make that town like the shiki's safe haven. |
ZensationalJan 2, 2011 5:14 PM
PenPenGrass said: If I met Shiki, I'm perfectly sure that I would hunt them without any excuse. I however, in a setting that was presented in this show, would most likely ask them to bite me. Also, to those people whining about how much they hate Sunako/Sesishin surviving... You should stick to shonen - this anime was probably not meant for you. You missed the fact there where no good or bad guys in this story to begin with. Brother killing brother was the theme here. Shiki where clearly shown to be just as much human as the villagers. Or are you saying what makes someone 'human' is simply the way their bodies function? Pff. I suppose you can indeed choose to put blame on Sunako for setting things in motion, personally tho, I can sympathise with her reasons for doing so. Saying however, that the villagers had some right to murder rest of the Shiki, aka - people who lived in that village just as long as them and had every right to continue doing so... That's just utter bigotry. (And no - 'to protect themselves from Shiki' is not a good enough reason in my eyes.) |
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| at the end, it's mr muroi in the car but whats in the box? and also when did Akira get away? i can't remember anything being mentiond about him escaping that okiagari |
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Xayoz said: I suppose you can indeed choose to put blame on Sunako for setting things in motion, personally tho, I can sympathise with her reasons for doing so. Saying however, that the villagers had some right to murder rest of the Shiki, aka - people who lived in that village just as long as them and had every right to continue doing so... That's just utter bigotry. (And no - 'to protect themselves from Shiki' is not a good enough reason in my eyes.) What bigotry? There's no bigotry in wanting to destroy something who's only source of food is humans, i.e. human-exclusive, that even their own population comes from humans. Those facts already separates them from, let's say, sharks, because obviously if humans were the only prey of sharks most should have died by now because if there are 10,000 sharks in the world and only 1,000 shark attacks, what happens to the sharks that didn't attack any humans? Obviously they preyed on other animals. I however, in a setting that was presented in this show, would most likely ask them to bite me. Also, to those people whining about how much they hate Sunako/Sesishin surviving... You should stick to shonen - this anime was probably not meant for you. You missed the fact there where no good or bad guys in this story to begin with. Brother killing brother was the theme here. Shiki where clearly shown to be just as much human as the villagers. Or are you saying what makes someone 'human' is simply the way their bodies function? Pff. They can never be "just as much human" as the villagers because they already died! There's no need to delved on biological functions; that's one of the things that differentiates the shiki from the humans, they died but can still exist with an animated body, a consciousness and cognitive thinking (but presumably without a soul/lifeforce/spirit/whatever). You consider the shiki as "human" yet then agreeing in the assessment that the shiki follow different standards from humans? LOLWUT |
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| MASTERPIECE!! After this.. How can I bring myself to watch vampire series again?! |
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| Megumi suffered a brutal death. /nothingelsematters |
nicoliolipoli said: Also, can ANYONE please help me understand two things. 1- Who was in the blue car at the end, and what was in the box? Was that Muroi & Sunako? :o (JUST REWATCHED, and I'm confirming that it was Muroi driving. The person had glasses and the same eyes as him.) 2- Who got on the bus during the credits that the two kids (forgot their name) were surprised to see? Does this mean a sequel? Because although the people in the car might be who I said, I have never seen the two people on the bus.. (Woah, I just realized how much I wrote, sorry). The car is Muroi and Sunako, that is obvious From what I could see in the tiny bus scene was Natsuno's Dad and some other lady that I am not even sure who it was. |
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Xayoz said: shadowii said: If I met Shiki, I'm perfectly sure that I would hunt them without any excuse. I however, in a setting that was presented in this show, would most likely ask them to bite me. Also, to those people whining about how much they hate Sunako/Sesishin surviving... You should stick to shonen - this anime was probably not meant for you. You missed the fact there where no good or bad guys in this story to begin with. Brother killing brother was the theme here. Shiki where clearly shown to be just as much human as the villagers. Or are you saying what makes someone 'human' is simply the way their bodies function? Pff. I suppose you can indeed choose to put blame on Sunako for setting things in motion, personally tho, I can sympathise with her reasons for doing so. Saying however, that the villagers had some right to murder rest of the Shiki, aka - people who lived in that village just as long as them and had every right to continue doing so... That's just utter bigotry. (And no - 'to protect themselves from Shiki' is not a good enough reason in my eyes.) Shiki weren't shown as being just as human as humans though, do you not remember that terrifying scene where Megumi bit Tohru? The scene that pretty much broke Natsuno? They were, for the most part, monsters. Even Sunako when she was being kept in that shed, she couldn't hold her urge to bite people and kill them. It isn't about having human emotions although most of the Shiki who enjoyed being Shiki seemed to be completely insane except Tatsumi who was badass. The villagers are completely right to kill the Shiki. They're undead creatures that kill humans. Not only that, but the fact of the matter is that not everybody rises. Some just die and a life is wasted, while some of the Shiki hate themselves (Tohru, Rit-Chan and to a point Sunako). The point was that Sunako didn't choose the path of suicide (Which you could call the "Easier" route, but looking at Rit-Chan's condition when she refused to eat, I'd say it's the hard route) but instead continued to live if you can call it that. She fought against the fate presented to her but is indeed making thousands suffer. Seishirin is no different now. Also, I think the one who should stick to shonen is you if you gave in to this sympathetic visage Sunako is putting up. She isn't the hero of this story. |
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