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| Why wouldn't there be? I bet there are people like this everywhere, especially in Japan. I can relate to Watamote because I too have trouble talking to people. :( |
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XboxOmac said: There are people like this... I don't know why, though. : It's called "social anxiety", and most everybody has it to a certain degree. Watamote is just a comically-extreme example. |
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| There are absolutely people that live similar to Kuroki. Part of the appeal of the series is the absurdity of Kuroki's character, but another part rests within relatability. |
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Negative-Travis said: XboxOmac said: There are people like this... I don't know why, though. : It's called "social anxiety", and most everybody has it to a certain degree. Watamote is just a comically-extreme example. But it's not "comically-extreme". That's what I meant by the topic title. It isn't exaggerated in any way. |
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YorozuyaGinSan said: Onibokusu said: Watamote is to anime as The Big Bang Theory is to sitcoms. Couldn't agree more. What do you mean by that? I've only seen 2 or 3 episodes of The Big Bang Theory but it looks to me like a normal sitcom, only with geek jokes thrown in every now and then. |
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Open-Dice said: YorozuyaGinSan said: Onibokusu said: Watamote is to anime as The Big Bang Theory is to sitcoms. Couldn't agree more. What do you mean by that? I've only seen 2 or 3 episodes of The Big Bang Theory but it looks to me like a normal sitcom, only with geek jokes thrown in every now and then. And a laugh track. |
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Open-Dice said: Negative-Travis said: XboxOmac said: There are people like this... I don't know why, though. : It's called "social anxiety", and most everybody has it to a certain degree. Watamote is just a comically-extreme example. But it's not "comically-extreme". That's what I meant by the topic title. It isn't exaggerated in any way. Indeed. And she's apparently not even the worst case out there, from what I've been told. |
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| I think I am a example but I'm not as extreme as her, it's just.... I don't like having people around? I don't feel at ease at crowded places or being near High Schools, etc... but that's also why reading the manga was so painful and depressing even though I loved each one of the chapters xD /and what is more, I LOVE Otome Games and I'm always playing them, the same for CD dramas/ |
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AO968 said: Open-Dice said: Negative-Travis said: XboxOmac said: There are people like this... I don't know why, though. : It's called "social anxiety", and most everybody has it to a certain degree. Watamote is just a comically-extreme example. But it's not "comically-extreme". That's what I meant by the topic title. It isn't exaggerated in any way. Indeed. And she's apparently not even the worst case out there, from what I've been told. Wait... there are ppl worse than Kuroki? In real life? |
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| this show is like reliving my early teenage years but as a girl. |
| This is what I call a gem. A very rare one A beautiful one. God bless the person who recommended it to me. On topic: This is very realistic. |
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| They are. I am one, sadly. |
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| I am but not as extreme as Tomoko. |
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| Yep been there and still there to a degree. |
| Tomoko is a bitch. She treats everyone like shit, assumes the worst about every single human being, even as they are being kind to her, and has no reason for it. She put herself in the situation she's in. She's not socially anxious naturally, she put herself there by continuously judging others as being horrible without any basis for so long that it became a part of her. If you pay attention she's never once treated in any bad way at all, and she's never bullied or anything either. Actually, everyone is really pretty kind to her like they would be to anyone else. It's right in the title that (sadly) was always mistranslated by fan scanlators. All her life she's deflected responsibility of ANYTHING BAD onto others, and thus she started hating everyone - not because of anything they did, but because of things she did. Hell, this is shown even within the manga itself directly - with things like her eating her goddamn panties "because they made her" when nobody even knew a thing about what was going on, and the whole time she's talking about how shitty everyone is for forcing this on her. This is why the title is it's YOUR guys fault, not "it's not my fault". She's not just saying it's not her responsibility - she's putting the blame directly onto those around her. She deflects every situation she puts herself in that she doesn't like, every shitty decision she regrets making, and anything else onto other people. She's socially anxious as a consequence of being a shitty person on the inside, and until she changes how she thinks of those around her she won't get any better. These people exist, yeah, but they don't deserve any pity. |
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TallonKarrde23 said: Tomoko is a bitch. She treats everyone like shit, assumes the worst about every single human being, even as they are being kind to her, and has no reason for it. She put herself in the situation she's in. She's not socially anxious naturally, she put herself there by continuously judging others as being horrible without any basis for so long that it became a part of her. If you pay attention she's never once treated in any bad way at all, and she's never bullied or anything either. Actually, everyone is really pretty kind to her like they would be to anyone else. It's right in the title that (sadly) was always mistranslated by fan scanlators. All her life she's deflected responsibility of ANYTHING BAD onto others, and thus she started hating everyone - not because of anything they did, but because of things she did. Hell, this is shown even within the manga itself directly - with things like her eating her goddamn panties "because they made her" when nobody even knew a thing about what was going on, and the whole time she's talking about how shitty everyone is for forcing this on her. This is why the title is it's YOUR guys fault, not "it's not my fault". She's not just saying it's not her responsibility - she's putting the blame directly onto those around her. She deflects every situation she puts herself in that she doesn't like, every shitty decision she regrets making, and anything else onto other people. She's socially anxious as a consequence of being a shitty person on the inside, and until she changes how she thinks of those around her she won't get any better. These people exist, yeah, but they don't deserve any pity. None of that real fits the definition of a "bitch" Its more of a self defense mechanism |
Air-Dragon said: None of that real fits the definition of a "bitch" Its more of a self defense mechanism A self defense mechanism she forced onto herself by the middle longest paragraph. That part is what makes her a bitch - not the end result (aka; not the social anxiety she now has because of it). And if you want to claim that part is also a self defense mechanism then all I can say is, so what? It'd still make her not just a bitch, but a horribly shitty human being. She's not even defending herself from OTHERS by doing that - she's ASSAULTING others by blaming them for shit she does and causes. Not "I'll blame them for things before they hurt me" even. She does something stupid and then blames others for it. She could shit herself in her bedroom and she'd blame everyone at school for it, spill a drink and blame the other people in the restaurant for it, etc. That's not a defense mechanism. That's being a shit person. |
TallonKarrde23Jul 20, 2013 5:45 PM
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Barktooth said: Open-Dice said: YorozuyaGinSan said: Onibokusu said: Watamote is to anime as The Big Bang Theory is to sitcoms. Couldn't agree more. What do you mean by that? I've only seen 2 or 3 episodes of The Big Bang Theory but it looks to me like a normal sitcom, only with geek jokes thrown in every now and then. And a laugh track.x9999999 Fixed |
TallonKarrde23 said: Air-Dragon said: None of that real fits the definition of a "bitch" Its more of a self defense mechanism A self defense mechanism she forced onto herself by the middle longest paragraph. That part is what makes her a bitch - not the end result (aka; not the social anxiety she now has because of it). And if you want to claim that part is also a self defense mechanism then all I can say is, so what? It'd still make her not just a bitch, but a horribly shitty human being. She's not even defending herself from OTHERS by doing that - she's ASSAULTING others by blaming them for shit she does and causes. Not "I'll blame them for things before they hurt me" even. She does something stupid and then blames others for it. She could shit herself in her bedroom and she'd blame everyone at school for it, spill a drink and blame the other people in the restaurant for it, etc. That's not a defense mechanism. That's being a shit person. I wont comment on every detail seeing as i just started watching it and haven't read it. Obviously you know not much of social anxiety. Anxiety is not a choice and some people are more prown to it then others. They also call it a disorder for a reason and proscribe medication. A bitch is someone who dose something intentionally. Just out of curiosity; "She could shit herself in her bedroom and she'd blame everyone at school for it, spill a drink and blame the other people in the restaurant for it, etc." did she actual do that or you just spouting stuff? |
Air-Dragon said: Obviously you know not much of social anxiety. Anxiety is not a choice and some people are more prown to it then others. They also call it a disorder for a reason and proscribe medication. I know very well what its like having social anxiety, agoraphobia, and many other issues like that. And you, just like the other user ENTIRELY IGNORED WHAT I SAID. EITHER RESPOND TO WHAT I FUCKING TYPE IN THE CONTEXT IT WAS WRITTEN OR DON'T RESPOND AT ALL. And keep your fucking assumptions about me and what I know or don't know to yourself. Social Anxiety in Tomoko's case was a CONSEQUENCE - an EFFECT - of something. That "something" is and was her being a bitch. As I fucking explained. If you want to tell me I'm wrong, actually respond to what I say - not what you pick out and remove the context of. You're saying I'm wrong about something I NEVER SAID otherwise. |
TallonKarrde23Jul 20, 2013 6:13 PM
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TallonKarrde23 said: Tomoko is a bitch. She treats everyone like shit, assumes the worst about every single human being, even as they are being kind to her, and has no reason for it. She put herself in the situation she's in. She's not socially anxious naturally, she put herself there by continuously judging others as being horrible without any basis for so long that it became a part of her. If you pay attention she's never once treated in any bad way at all, and she's never bullied or anything either. Actually, everyone is really pretty kind to her like they would be to anyone else. It's right in the title that (sadly) was always mistranslated by fan scanlators. All her life she's deflected responsibility of ANYTHING BAD onto others, and thus she started hating everyone - not because of anything they did, but because of things she did. Hell, this is shown even within the manga itself directly - with things like her eating her goddamn panties "because they made her" when nobody even knew a thing about what was going on, and the whole time she's talking about how shitty everyone is for forcing this on her. This is why the title is it's YOUR guys fault, not "it's not my fault". She's not just saying it's not her responsibility - she's putting the blame directly onto those around her. She deflects every situation she puts herself in that she doesn't like, every shitty decision she regrets making, and anything else onto other people. She's socially anxious as a consequence of being a shitty person on the inside, and until she changes how she thinks of those around her she won't get any better. These people exist, yeah, but they don't deserve any pity. Albeit this is all true, you shouldn't be so prejudice and hateful on these kind of people, hypocrisy much? These negative 'assaults' are almost always internal thoughts, a bitch is someone who would do all this externally. Like others say, there is a reason for calling this a disorder, they are conscious of their negativity and emotional turmoil yet cannot do anything about it. |
HorrorLand said: These negative 'assaults' are almost always internal thoughts, a bitch is someone who would do all this externally. Like others say, there is a reason for calling this a disorder, they are conscious of their negativity and emotional turmoil yet cannot do anything about it. The only disorder is her social anxiety that came about FROM this stuff she does. What she's done up to that and still continues is not purely social anxiety. She blames people for things even when she's 100% alone doing something 100% related to just her. It's this shitheaded line of thinking that lead her into social anxiety and being socially awkward/afraid of people. That's why it's a separate thing from said disorder - it was the cause of it and happened prior to it being there. And calling her a shithead isn't being hateful. I like Tomoko, but this doesn't make her any less of a horrible person - and I don't mean for the anxiety. I also like the fact that this story is really about her coming to terms with the fact she's done this to herself and needs to stop deflecting everything - as well as stop putting that responsibility on the shoulders of the entirely uninvolved - rather than just being about her getting over social anxiety. Though it might take a while for it to deal with any of that on any big level, given at this point she's still doing it. But with how much more shitty the manga is purposefully painting her in more recent chapters, I'm sure that moment of realization will come soon enough. What I'm saying is I don't consider her any negative thing because of the anxiety - but because of the cause of it. I mean, no matter how you look at it, that stuff (not the anxiety) makes her a genuinely bad person. |
TallonKarrde23Jul 20, 2013 6:41 PM
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TallonKarrde23 said: HorrorLand said: These negative 'assaults' are almost always internal thoughts, a bitch is someone who would do all this externally. Like others say, there is a reason for calling this a disorder, they are conscious of their negativity and emotional turmoil yet cannot do anything about it. The only disorder is her social anxiety that came about FROM this stuff she does. What she's done up to that and still continues is not purely social anxiety. She blames people for things even when she's 100% alone doing something 100% related to just her. It's this shitheaded line of thinking that lead her into social anxiety and being socially awkward/afraid of people. That's why it's a separate thing from said disorder - it was the cause of it and happened prior to it being there. And calling her a shithead isn't being hateful. I like Tomoko, but this doesn't make her any less of a horrible person - and I don't mean for the anxiety. I also like the fact that this story is really about her coming to terms with the fact she's done this to herself and needs to stop deflecting everything - as well as stop putting that responsibility on the shoulders of the entirely uninvolved - rather than just being about her getting over social anxiety. Though it might take a while for it to deal with any of that on any big level, given at this point she's still doing it. But with how much more shitty the manga is purposefully painting her in more recent chapters, I'm sure that moment of realization will come soon enough. What I'm saying is I don't consider her any negative thing because of the anxiety - but because of the cause of it. I mean, no matter how you look at it, that stuff makes her a genuinely bad person. I can see where you are coming from with her prior cynical behavior being the cause of what she is now. And I agree with all this, I never said I didn't although I was simply outlining your apparent hypocrisy when judging and labeling prejudice people as bitches or what-not. "Who is one to judge whether someone is good or bad?" -Paradox Lets just recap on what exactly Social Anxiety is now, for any future comments. A snippet from wiki will be sufficient (not the bet source, I know) Wikipedia said: Social anxiety is a discomfort or a fear when a person is in social interactions that involve a concern about being judged or evaluated by others.[1] It is typically characterized by an intense fear of what others are thinking about them (specifically fear of embarrassment, criticism, or rejection), which results in the individual feeling insecure, and that they are not good enough for other people. The results of this are fear and anxiety within social situations, and the assumption that peers will automatically reject them in the social situations.[2] Developmental social anxiety occurs early in childhood as a normal part of the development of social functioning, and is a stage that most children grow out of, but it may persist or resurface and grow into chronic social anxiety.[3] People vary in how often they experience social anxiety and in which kinds of situations. Now, note it says development occurs in early childhood. This very well supports Air's perspective of a psychological defense mechanism to counter this form of anxiety which is internal cynicism, blaming and judging others, hence the title of this series... This mechanism has been formed throughout her life, accelerated by her gaming activities etc. of-course along with her initial 'bitchy' personality. Some more readings on psychological defense mechanisms to pursue any further interests http://www.simplypsychology.org/defense-mechanisms.html Albeit in this light, having not read the manga I am very interested in how this character could evolve, it could even be critical to help fellow people like this irl. |
HorrorLandJul 20, 2013 7:30 PM
| I have read ahead in the manga all the way to the end (chapter 45) twice now, and I highly recommend it. However, please everybody put their thoughts regarding the manga within SPOILER tags, since just a few words can sort of wreck it for the anime watchers. Right now I just started reading it a third time. I like the artwork in the manga, and I feel that, in certain situations, it has the ability to express some things beyond what is possible in the anime. On the other hand, the anime has lots of fantastic stuff that is not in the manga. For hardcore fans, you may also be interested in the plastic action figures. You can also buy Tomoko's school uniform for cosplay.  |
okanaganJul 20, 2013 11:48 PM
okanagan said: I have read ahead in the manga all the way to the end (chapter 45) twice now, and I highly recommend it. However, please everybody put their thoughts regarding the manga within SPOILER tags, since just a few words can sort of wreck it for the anime watchers. Right now I just started reading it a third time. I like the artwork in the manga, and I feel that, in certain situations, it has the ability to express some things beyond what is possible in the anime. On the other hand, the anime has lots of fantastic stuff that is not in the manga. For hardcore fans, you may also be interested in the plastic action figures. You can also buy Tomoko's school uniform for cosplay. Is it better to read the manga first or after? |
| Is it better to read the manga first or after? I am not sure which is "better". However, for me, it is much easier to watch an episode of a new anime than to start reading an unfamiliar manga. So I watched Episode 1 of WataMote, got very excited about it, and then started to read the manga. In fact, I rarely read manga, and I almost never read through to the end. |
| She's anxious and too afraid to talk to anyone. We see her sitting in school on her own, and nobody bothers to pay any attention to her. I can empathize with her disliking everyone else in her class. |
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| Who ever said there aren't any people like Tomoko, OP? Part of the reason it became so popular in 4chan is because there ARE people who could relate to her. & to the person on the rag, this is a comedy, not a show explaining social anxiety. Also, Tomoko grows up into a much adorable character in the later parts of the manga. It's too early to judge or bitch about her after two measly anime episodes. edited for spelling, sorry about that. |
i3iJul 22, 2013 3:31 AM
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| I have friend who is just like her X - the hair over eye, and make eyes brown and a bit taller. I can relate to her when I was younger now a days I'm nothing like that. |
| Tomoko is exaggerated to the max, while Hikikomori exist in real life, they are far from the extraordinarily timid, gloomy, and depressing that Tomoko is and those traits together clash and thus are unrealistic. |
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| i can say as social outcast (been living since child hood with it) actually i was very much like tomoko i were shy i was afraid of scenes people in general even afraid to talk to somebody because damn heart nearly were jumping out cause shock and fears despite that time were going forward and sow does progress complexes yet i was able to kill many of them but few still exist biggest price is that i killed all emotions and i am 99% poker face of time many will find it funny but it's not funny at all (despite all efforts i still have some complexes left that cause me a lot problems) reality is cruel and those who experience similar or living it trough it will understand it. |
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| so you think people dont realize it.. then when people realize it.. then what will gonna be happen? -_- I dont think it is gonna change things very much :/ |
| There are people like this Alot of people are like this. Including me As exaggerated as it seems, All the hilarious scenes, despairful moments Tomoko experiences are so realistic. Episode 1: Whenever I see kids from my school outside of school, if Im by myself, I try to avoid them from seeing me. Episode 2: When school trips come close I also get worried about every single thing Tomoko mentioned in her head. Episode 3: The most despairful moment is when the teachers have students make their own groups. I always wanted to kill myself when they do that. haha I don't mind being by myself in a place alone. Though I hate being by myself in a place with alot of groups of people. |
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| Like "this"? Like what? Like Tomoko from WataMote? |
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| Tomoko describes me in every way... |
porkypink said: There are people like this Alot of people are like this. Including me As exaggerated as it seems, All the hilarious scenes, despairful moments Tomoko experiences are so realistic. Episode 1: Whenever I see kids from my school outside of school, if Im by myself, I try to avoid them from seeing me. Episode 2: When school trips come close I also get worried about every single thing Tomoko mentioned in her head. Episode 3: The most despairful moment is when the teachers have students make their own groups. I always wanted to kill myself when they do that. haha I don't mind being by myself in a place alone. Though I hate being by myself in a place with alot of groups of people. this, +the yandere abuse cd |
zozeJul 22, 2013 7:35 PM
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| I think we all know people like this, some less severe and some more. What I've noticed it that people who try to help them or include them into activities, easily get shut down and then they just give up. To help people who have gone this far you need patience and be able to see through what they put up, which most don't, it's easier to deal with "regular" people. They might tell you they hate x and y kind of people, but deep within, they often long to be with them, defense mechanisms is what it is. People have responsibility for their own fates, to different degrees, and I'm in no way taking that away from someone who has problems, but to just look at that aspect and think "it's their fault" is not really constructive. Now I've only watched one episode so I'm going by that. |
NtaigJul 22, 2013 9:37 PM
HorrorLand said: TallonKarrde23 said: HorrorLand said: These negative 'assaults' are almost always internal thoughts, a bitch is someone who would do all this externally. Like others say, there is a reason for calling this a disorder, they are conscious of their negativity and emotional turmoil yet cannot do anything about it. The only disorder is her social anxiety that came about FROM this stuff she does. What she's done up to that and still continues is not purely social anxiety. She blames people for things even when she's 100% alone doing something 100% related to just her. It's this shitheaded line of thinking that lead her into social anxiety and being socially awkward/afraid of people. That's why it's a separate thing from said disorder - it was the cause of it and happened prior to it being there. And calling her a shithead isn't being hateful. I like Tomoko, but this doesn't make her any less of a horrible person - and I don't mean for the anxiety. I also like the fact that this story is really about her coming to terms with the fact she's done this to herself and needs to stop deflecting everything - as well as stop putting that responsibility on the shoulders of the entirely uninvolved - rather than just being about her getting over social anxiety. Though it might take a while for it to deal with any of that on any big level, given at this point she's still doing it. But with how much more shitty the manga is purposefully painting her in more recent chapters, I'm sure that moment of realization will come soon enough. What I'm saying is I don't consider her any negative thing because of the anxiety - but because of the cause of it. I mean, no matter how you look at it, that stuff makes her a genuinely bad person. I can see where you are coming from with her prior cynical behavior being the cause of what she is now. And I agree with all this, I never said I didn't although I was simply outlining your apparent hypocrisy when judging and labeling prejudice people as bitches or what-not. "Who is one to judge whether someone is good or bad?" -Paradox Lets just recap on what exactly Social Anxiety is now, for any future comments. A snippet from wiki will be sufficient (not the bet source, I know) Wikipedia said: Social anxiety is a discomfort or a fear when a person is in social interactions that involve a concern about being judged or evaluated by others.[1] It is typically characterized by an intense fear of what others are thinking about them (specifically fear of embarrassment, criticism, or rejection), which results in the individual feeling insecure, and that they are not good enough for other people. The results of this are fear and anxiety within social situations, and the assumption that peers will automatically reject them in the social situations.[2] Developmental social anxiety occurs early in childhood as a normal part of the development of social functioning, and is a stage that most children grow out of, but it may persist or resurface and grow into chronic social anxiety.[3] People vary in how often they experience social anxiety and in which kinds of situations. Now, note it says development occurs in early childhood. This very well supports Air's perspective of a psychological defense mechanism to counter this form of anxiety which is internal cynicism, blaming and judging others, hence the title of this series... This mechanism has been formed throughout her life, accelerated by her gaming activities etc. of-course along with her initial 'bitchy' personality. Some more readings on psychological defense mechanisms to pursue any further interests http://www.simplypsychology.org/defense-mechanisms.html Albeit in this light, having not read the manga I am very interested in how this character could evolve, it could even be critical to help fellow people like this irl. If one wants to be more specific on which anxiety disorder may she belong to are some of the following. Avoidant Personality Disorder. This disorder is an anxious-fearful personality disorder characterized by extreme fear of being criticized, low self-esteem, and avoidance of social interaction. Another possibility is Obsessive-compulsive Personality Disorder. This one is an anxious-fearful disorder characterized by rigid habits and extreme perfectionist. Which could explain why she feels more superior than others and feel others seek to threaten her. Another type of personality disorder that relates less to anxiety might be Paranoid Personality Disorder. An odd-accentric personality disorder characterized by extreme suspicions and mistrust of others in unwarranted and maladaptive ways. there are more where she may lie in, but these are the ones that may suit her right away. Plus, she could belong to multiple disorders and not just one. These disorder lie in the AXIS II of the Diagnostics and Statistical Manual by the American Psychiatric Association. The Axis II disorders normally start around childhood and are more long term usually lasting until adulthood or a lifetime. In the end, she's also asocial. Yep, using psychology on fictional anime. But lets not forget, these are real disorders that people are diagnosed with in real life. |
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