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May 22, 2017 7:50 AM
#1201
Zymf said: Um... I haven't been waiting though?logic340 said: You are right that we've lost our momentum and that we should be a bit more active.We have lost all that momentum we had coming out of the lynch D1. I have things I would like to discuss but I cannot do it alone? But ask away and we (at least I) will answer. Don't wait till we are online to begin the discussions. #1022 Ruu ISO If you could respone to #1189 If you could tell me how you feel about Ruu fishing for my role information in #1244 Crossbell ISO I would like your reads on Suzune/Shinichi/Crossbell/Ruu |
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May 22, 2017 8:04 AM
#1202
logic340 said: @Zymf I would like you to share your thoughts on the posts in the quote? You are confirmed town and I don't really know how you feel about the players at the moment. I know you took offense to my activity post but among the player base your post count is likely among the bottom 2 players. There is content but I and others have asked you some questions that have gone in answered. I have done 3 ISO's and I don't remember you responding to any of them? You tell me to ask questions but I have asked a lot that have not been addressed yet this phase I would like answers to those before I just spew more into the thread that will be overlooked.Ruu said: God I feel like I should move my vote right back to you. If your town like you day and all your scum reads keep flipping town shouldn't you maybe reevaluate your town reads?D1: I think yurkin's lurking is scummy N1: yurkin dies D2: wen is one of my top suspects N2: wen dies. When did my suspect list became a hit list for mafia xD Seriously stop killing all my suspects! xDD Also what happened with Rosie's bomb? she didn't use it? |
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May 22, 2017 8:05 AM
#1203
Looking at Crossbells posts there's A LOT that only say that he's busy and "catching up": Crossbell said: Whoa, this thread blew up. I'll be catching up but I'm going to be walking around Boston for most of the day so I can pretty much only check in by phone. Crossbell said: I basically spent the entire day walking around Boston and visiting MIT. Catching up now, hopefully. Crossbell said: Ugh god there's so much mechanics discussion on page 4, exactly what I didn't want to happen. I'm finishing up catching up but I suspect that it'll be really annoying to read players based off of the posts so far. Crossbell said: So I just got back recovering from a super long plane ride today. Catching up now. I watched Zymf but no one else targeted him. This annoys me a bit, because earlier in the game, Crossbell said that my catching up posting was scumm and used that as reason to vote me: Crossbell said: Vote Zymf Wouldn't also be opposed to a vote on AbuHumaid. Zymf's catching up posting style reminds me of myself when I'm scum (just catch up, respond to a bunch of questions, and never ask any of my own) without doing any actual scumhunting. Plus, I'm really interested as to why he said that wen's post gave him town vibes because I don't see it myself. @logic340: This is so weird. You say that you want me to post since you won't have anyone to tunnel, but you've mostly just been ignoring me AND my posts. This is so unnatural of you, and I would expect something different after the end of Kitty Mafia. At the risk of poking the bear's nest, what's up? I think his way of doing it is far more scummy! If you don't have time to make substantial and contributing posts, then you shouldn't waste it on "Sorry, I'm catching up" - which only clogs up the thread. So why would Crossbell make no less than 6 of these posts? Either she is town who only feels sorry for not contributing much. OR! She is scum that also feel sorry for being inactive, but also think that these posts makes her look busy and therefore excused from both hunting for scum and being hunted as scum. This is the main reason I have for suspecting Crossbell at the moment. As to why I am then instead voting WyNdZ and not Crossbell I will try and explain in my next post. Stay tuned for more :P I will respond to Logic instead... |
May 22, 2017 8:14 AM
#1204
logic340 said: @Suzune-chan I've been thinning about how you said you look at things aseither townie or scummy. I'm trying to think about mindsetf so if Wyndz is mafia Peeker why wouldn't he just let Zynf get lynched and just claim another townie with a weaker role as confirmed? Why make things harder for his mafia team by cleaning the strongest potential town role? And then he lynched Abu over Mela. If he is mafia he's playing the long game in a crazy ass way imo. @Zymf I would also like your take on this post as well? |
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May 22, 2017 8:29 AM
#1205
logic340 said: But my long backreading-posts contain like 10 responses each? Doesn't that count as something? I spent hours on each one. If there are questions I missed, then restate them and quote me next to them.I know you took offense to my activity post but among the player base your post count is likely among the bottom 2 players. There is content but I and others have asked you some questions that have gone in answered. logic340 said: I think Ruu's post is null out of context. If my top suspects keep getting Night Killed I would find it funny as well and make a similar post. Much like how I made post #498, when I found it wierd that I was confirmed town, had roles jailor and town had lynched scum.logic340 said: @Zymf I would like you to share your thoughts on the posts in the quote?Ruu said: D1: I think yurkin's lurking is scummy N1: yurkin dies D2: wen is one of my top suspects N2: wen dies. When did my suspect list became a hit list for mafia xD Seriously stop killing all my suspects! xDD Also what happened with Rosie's bomb? she didn't use it? But it could also be that Ruu is trying to act town deliberately as scum ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It's also null, really... Rolefishing in general has been regarded as a highly scummy thing to do in Mafia Society for a long time, so if I was scum, I'd try to avoid it. So depending on Ruu's meta which I'm not familiar with it can be either a town tell or a scum tell. The last paranthesis where she says that you don't need to tell the name of the player might be a slight scum tell though, since it shows that she has at least thought about how it might sound. logic340 said: I will respond to these later if I have time as each of them will take a substantial amount of time...#1022 Ruu ISO If you could respone to #1189 Crossbell ISO I would like your reads on Suzune/Shinichi/Crossbell/Ruu |
May 22, 2017 8:30 AM
#1206
RE1031 said: Shinichi-Kun said: RE1031 said: Zymf said: Hey, it's not just me that keep bringing it up - I was replying to Suzune-chan. And also, it isn't all RNG and it's not a waste of effort! You place a scummy role high on your list -> You recieve said role -> Slight indication that you are scum. I'm not saying that just because you have a scummy role you are automatically scum or that it's better than vote count analysis, Night Kill analysis, ISO, behaviorial analysis, interaction analysis or whatever - But it is analysable and it's a good place to start! That's the thing, everyone has their own opinion on what is beneficial for their alignment. And everyone also has preferences for which roles they like. And then if it really comes down to a consensus, you can forever go back and forth with arguments like "well, I also chose it because it'd be really bad if scum had it" and "that's exactly what scum would say" and "but am I wrong." Also, the roles they chose were based on how well they'd work in theory. Most likely their opinion has changed now that we've seen a couple roles in play. Crossbell supposedly got the most townie role on the list, but I don't trust him at all (I don't think you did, up until one of your most recent posts). How do you feel about him claiming to have visited you night 1 yet you dropping hints everywhere that you were going to block him? Do you buy that he only read your first statement, where you asked him to be your guardian angel or whatever, and not the other posts where you tried to misguide scum? Sipping wine and keeping scum guessing is the easiest answer to give when asked about night actions. I dont think its an opinion though certain roles are way better for town while some are way better for scum lie the jailer and the bomb role. I dont think they would change either way. I cant say much since i picked the roles based on what i want regardless of any alignment indctice but some roles like i said u would seek as scum, roles like the painter and the green egg whatever its called are both something that could be very manipulative. The jailer is something you would want as scum while reloader is not because you cant predict what eggs your team would get. Im curious of why u keep going back to that same statement though are u trying to pressure zymf into scum reading crossbell? This is exactly what I mean by opinion. I'm pretty sure a while ago someone, either Zymf or Logic, said that the artist and green eggs were not scummy roles. And not sure if this reason's been given out yet, but the jailer seems to be a rather townie role. It can stop a NK, whether that means the person is mafia or the victim, which means although it'll be difficult to tell which of the two it is, it has a higher chance of preventing the NK, which is bad for scum and good for town. I'm questioning why he town reads Crossbell. His reasoning are based on a few select posts, and I'm starting to think it has less to do with what Crossbell has said and more to do with his role as watcher. Blieve the opposite the jailer is may more effective as a scum role than a town role but thats just my opinion and suzune was the one that mentioned the full potential of the green egg or whatever its called If you can find the post it explains it pretty well. Crossbell only has a few posts tho thats the problem compared to me and you or even logic himself. |
May 22, 2017 8:51 AM
#1207
RE1031 said: I am so tired I hope I wake up before phase change tomorrow. Yeah I sleep a lot. @Ruu I would like some reads from you (with evidence). It seems you expect to be lynched but that doesn't mean you can't at least try to defend yourself. The best defense is a strong offense and all that. @Shinichi-kun I would like a list from you. Scum/Neutral/Town. I've been town-reading you for the majority of this game but it's mostly based on meta. Should I continue? Not sure anymore, so to get a better grasp of your alignment, I think hearing your thoughts on everyone in one go is an alright place to start. Maybe I should have done this earlier.... Ill provide a more accurate read list later but for now ruu/rei i would be ok lynching today even crossbell if worse comes to worse. |
May 22, 2017 8:51 AM
#1208
@logic340 im not sure where anyone is either,but ill def be here for phase change if that helps. |
May 22, 2017 8:54 AM
#1209
So RE1031 is my neighbor and here is what we discussed. I don't want to reveal this information too late and have it make things more chaotic that they can be at phase change. I would have revealed it sooner but I was hoping that other topics would be discussed first as I didn't want this to be a distraction. logic340 | May 20, 3:08 PM @Togs thank you sir. It's a pleasure to be your ducking. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ logic340 | May 20, 3:32 PM @RE1031 before we get down to business I need to make something clear to you. I told Zymf (or Wynd) that I would share my conversion with my neighbor in the thread and I fully intend to do this. So in taking part you concent to me sharing the entirety of what is said here with the other players. Now I to why chose you. I almost picked wen (YIKES!!!). I had a strong read there a this didn't resemble his scum games imo, sends I was right. I really wanted to pick Zymf because his playstyle (while not trollish) reminds me of DenjaX and we play really well together. He's also confirmed town. I'm Wyndz and I seen to think a lot a like so I figured have two people who think the same would be a waste. Shinichi was a bit if a wild card. He's been neighbored in two games I've been in with him so he has experience using this role (in a way) but I'm but comfortable enough with him to try and sort him in this way. I picked you because. I have a strong town read on you and we worked we worked well together in the Cult chat. My push during the night was more of an effort to keep the NK off of you and also my way of hinting at who I neighbored. That being said I don't trust you completely yet and will use this opportunity to finish sorting you. I would not have picked Ruu/Crossbell/Suzune Welcome to my neighborhood. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ logic340 | May 20, 3:52 PM Also please do not inform the thread that I have neighbored you just yet. I want to see if anyone goes looking for this information. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ logic340 | May 20, 10:33 PM @RE1031 will you join me for the beverage of your choice? __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ RE1031 | May 20, 11:14 PM Hmm... On second thought bleach is looking pretty nasty, I'll have some chamomile tea. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ RE1031 | May 20, 11:55 PM I don't know how to read Shinichi to be completely honest. The last two games I played with him I scum read him when he was town, so maybe those prior experiences are affecting my judgement here. He hasn't done anything significantly pro-town or anti-town as far as I can tell. But that's not entirely different from what I've seen. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ logic340 | Yesterday, 3:45 AM I did that ISO on Shinichi and I'm still but any closer to being a confident read on him this game. What are your thoughts on Suzune so far? West were your thoughts on Mela? I like get posts so far but l'm but I'm not liking grrr position in you svc Wyndz maybe it me who needs to reevaluate? But I feel kind of like I do with you? She's going against the flow and I'm not sure mafia subbing in st this point takes such an opposing viee on wyndz. His and Crossbell's ISO'ds will cine tomorrow for sure. I'm at the club right now. Stepped out to check the thread and there's nothing new :( I wish zymf was more active. He'd be in my PoE if he wasn't confirmed town? Wyndz EoD1 feels too town but I'm liking ove him again. I'm good lynching shinichi/crossbell/ruui More Ruu and Crossbell Syu this point.. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ logic340 | Yesterday, 9:48 AM I did that ISO on Shinichi and I'm still not any closer to being a confident read on him this game. What are your thoughts on Suzune so far? What were your thoughts on Mela? I like her posts so far but I'm not liking her position in you and Wyndz maybe it me who needs to reevaluate? But I feel kind of like I do with you? She's going against the flow and I'm not sure mafia subbing in at this point takes such an opposing viee on wyndz. His and Crossbell's ISO's will come tomorrow for sure. I'm at the club right now. Stepped out to check the thread and there's nothing new :( I wish zymf was more active. He'd be in my PoE if he wasn't confirmed town? Wyndz EoD1 feels too town but I'm liking over him again. I'm good lynching shinichi/crossbell/ruui More Ruu and Crossbell at this point __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ RE1031 | Yesterday, 10:21 AM Club? Is sleep even a thing. grrr = her svc = and I'm not sure if Suzune is fully caught up yet, so I'm letting her do that before seeing if I need to change my mind about town-reading Melanoid. My only reason for town-reading Mela is the way the votes on day 1 played out. I don't think scum would vote for each other. Like especially with Abu's vote - it took place at a time when you and WyNdZ had 2 votes in addition to Melanoid, yet he choose Melanoid, most likely in attempt to save himself by redirecting the train elsewhere. Like town, scum can mess up, but it seems really unlikely given the circumstances. As for Melanoid's suggestion about lynching the Peeker, I think they just thought it was a good idea. Scum don't actually need those kinds of strategies to get townies lynched, they can rely on things less attention-drawing. I don't understand her position on WyNdZ. My reasoning in suspecting him is pretty different and she seems to have way more reasons to suspect him than me yet she's voting for me. If anything, what she finds suspicious about him is what I town-read about him, like the defending Zymf thing. What is bothering me now about WyNdZ is that Zymf really wants to lynch him, the person who cleared him. I understand that even less, but what I would understand is if Zymf knows something WyNdZ does not (like I've said a million times, and Zymf's kind of ignoring that for some reason). As for Ruu, she's done a lot of questionable things. I guess this would be one of those too scummy for scum vibes, if that's actually a thing. I'd vote her but I'm kind of expecting a town flip. Well she hasn't posted anything this phase, so I don't really know. When she does maybe I'll have a clearer view. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ logic340 | Yesterday, 11:51 AM Sleep is about a 4-6 hour thing for me nightly. If I get more than that I end up feeling lethargic. Was going to do the Wyndz ISO first but I changed my mind and am going to start with Crossbell. I don't like Preflip association but if Crossbell were to flip scum I would be looking really hard in Shinichi's direction. In regards to Wyndz I feel the same way you do. I also find it hard to see scum playing EoD1 the way he did. He had Mela setup for a lynch and rather than push it he switches to his teammate Abu? That makes no sense especially given that he saved Zymf (unless he and zymf are scum together) which I find unlikely given their most recent interactions. I agree with Wyndz if Zymf wasn't confirmed town then I would suspect him. His play hasn't been great for town especially since he is confirmed. I do like that Zymfs reads are slightly different than the general consensus we seem to have come to. I also like that he suspects me as most seem to have just written me off as town. It shows that while his participation ist the greatest he's still trying to work through things. Had his activity been better I would have picked him. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ logic340 | Yesterday, 11:53 AM As for Ruu, she's done a lot of questionable things. I guess this would be one of those too scummy for scum vibes, if that's actually a thing. I'd vote her but I'm kind of expecting a town flip. Well she hasn't posted anything this phase, so I don't really know. When she does maybe I'll have a clearer view. I think I am starting to agree with this. This thought ran through my mind while answering Shinichi's questions from her ISO I did. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ RE1031 | Yesterday, 1:30 PM Because of the possibility of Shinichi being scum, I'm not entirely against Ruu's lynch. While it's more of a gut feeling that I feel Ruu is not scum, he does have valid reasons to suspect her and he has been doing so since day 2. As for Zymf, I don't know what he's doing, but he seems far too convinced that WyNdZ is scum. And his town reads based on certain quotes don't make too much sense to me. I don't know what to make of his interactions with WyNdZ, whether there's something there or is it just throwing me off from my other suspects. I would appreciate the Crossbell ISO because other than him acting similar to when he was scum, I don't have much. I'm surprised he hasn't brought up that he voted for Abu in his defense. Not sure if that's indicative of either side. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ logic340 | 10 hours ago Ruu had a similar idea about Wyndz so I really want to see her and Zymf discuss their shared view. Suzune seems to think he is scum too. If wyndz flips town it clears zymf so we're left with Suzune and Ruu. What do you think the chances of them being all town are? I find it low I'm still not sold on Mela/Suzune town based on that vote alone. I'm pretty sure whether Wyndz is scum or town that Zymf is town. He's trying to look at things from a different perspective and I respect that. We can't keep just moving to the next suspect we'll be playing into the Mafia's hands. That being said the reasoning on wyndz is interesting and will get a look when I put his ISO together later. Crossbell ISO is currently I the works. I have all his and Wyndz posts you could look through in he discussion thread (until the ISO's are done). With the way that Crossbell talked about wen possibly bussing I think it would be contradictory if he tried to say "but I voted Abu". I'm not saying him not saying anything makes him town but he does it I will see it as a scum tell and crucify him. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ RE1031 | 7 hours ago Okay thanks, it's hard to find anything solid that's scummy about Crossbell. What made me suspicious of him last time in Kitty Mafia was I kind of doubted Lamb's claim as backup doctor, and then Crossbell defended it which was a weird thing to defend someone of. That's why I was a bit hung up on him defending Ruu. WyNdZ kind of reminds of Pentaflare. Even though I'm kind of suspicious of him, I don't want to lynch him. He has been pretty helpful, and the majority of shade that gets thrown at him when broken down is because of his role, not his behavior. Also, not sure if this is still relevant, but the reason I held up on revealing my list until the end of night 2 was because I was kind of hoping Zymf would get killed. It would clear up so much if he was dead (I think). __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ logic340 | 6 hours ago I have almost of Crossbell's post summarized about to start analyzing would love it if you did the same. I'll look at his defense of Ruu carefully when I do. One thing I was thinking about is the way he voted Abu. When I have seen him us in the past he did it in a way he could get credit off the lynch (Shnichi in CCL he lead the lynch and grrr in Kitty early D3 iirc?). I totally agree I regards to Wyndz. Even Suzune's push is more related to his role than his behavior. I guess it's his behavior based on the role he has. While I don't necessarily agree I can see where you are coming from I don't think his death would be beneficial? I really feel like Wyndz and Zymf are both town and if we could get past that we could actually focus on a better pool for today. Me, you Shinichi, Crossell, Ruu, Suzu should be the only ones up for discussion imo right now. Shinichi/Ruu/Crossbell/suzu all need pressure Ruu - is MIA I am actually thinking about moving to Cross but I want to finish this ISO before I make that decision. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ logic340 | 5 hours ago Crossbell summary is done I'll drop some thoughts then do Wyndz __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ RE1031 | 2 hours ago Hmm I completely dismissed the possibility of Suzune being third party. That would make a lot sense, actually. I thought pointing out that Melanoid wanted to lynch the Peeker to get a confirmed townie as a counter to me asking for the name the Peeker received would work on her, but she didn't acknowledge it, which is odd. I feel like she may genuinely believe I am scum, knowing that Melanoid did what he did not as a town move but as lyncher. ruu said: I think it will be amusing if you say that someone has already accepted your invitation to tea and see their reactions. But it may just cause confusion, doubt, and chaos, so if you are going to reveal, end of night 3 might be a good time. It seems that Crossbell or Ruu are likely to be lynched today, so I don't think it's entirely necessary to reveal today. I am not sure how others will feel but this screams town to me. You're showing concern for the game state while a big loss for town it does answer some questions. I think Wyndz death would clear up more but I don't see a reason to e voting there. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ logic340 | 5 hours ago Crossbell summary is done I'll drop some thoughts then do Wyndz __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ logic340 | 3 hours ago Let's talk about Suzune. I find it weird that Melanoid started in on Wyndz and that's where she has started add well. Her positron on 3rd party is only survivor could work but my take in the mafia and town win conditions tell me if there is a third party it's likely anti in some nature. I don't think lyncher is out of the question. Thinking like this I get the feeling Mela's immediate push and vote on Wynzd, now Suzune's immediate push on Wyndz, her position on 3rd party, and her vote on you (though it sends she suspects Wyndz more) would lead me to think she could be a lyncher with Wyndz as get target? Also I don't like that she hasn't really supported her read on you.. Just saying that all your post read scum to her with out referencing it showing why she feels that way. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ RE1031 | 2 hours ago Hmm I completely dismissed the possibility of Suzune being third party. That would make a lot sense, actually. I thought pointing out that Melanoid wanted to lynch the Peeker to get a confirmed townie as a counter to me asking for the name the Peeker received would work on her, but she didn't acknowledge it, which is odd. I feel like she may genuinely believe I am scum, knowing that Melanoid did what he did not as a town move but as lyncher. I think it will be amusing if you say that someone has already accepted your invitation to tea and see their reactions. But it may just cause confusion, doubt, and chaos, so if you are going to reveal, end of night 3 might be a good time. It seems that Crossbell or Ruu are likely to be lynched today, so I don't think it's entirely necessary to reveal today. I'll start on analyzing Crossbell. I will hate it though because he always is super neutral. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ logic340 | 1 hour ago Don't know if I want to go too far down that rabbit hole on my Suzu theory just yet. I will put everything I a post I the discussion thread first. You see Ruu came into the thread ad asked me about my neighbor ability #1244? I'm not sure what to make of that I want to see her response to my question. I am thinking of dropping a little hint searching for a post right now. I got a pretty neutral read out of Crossbell. More comfortable than before but not comfortable enough. I would say he and Shinichi sit around the same level right now. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ RE1031 | 24 minutes ago I don't know why Ruu would ask that, but I would say it has less to do with alignment and more to do with the situation she's in. Maybe she feels she's hit a wall in analyzation and wants to move on to more concrete things, like day/night actions. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ logic340 | 8 minutes ago I might agree with this if she were doing any analysis. Crossbell, Shinichi, and myself have all asked her for something behavioral. Ask her reads are based in role info, claim, our gut feeling. I would really like to know how she went from scum reading me to saying and I'm playing like town now. Also was there some kind of change in my play at some point this game? Shouldn't that be weird or strange? __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ RE1031 | 4 minutes ago #1245 is actually kind of a town tell for me. She's expecting to be lynched. She's not pleading for her life, she's asking us to read into her lynch. Which, if everything I've heard about her scumplay is true, could just be her being manipulative. But idk. And on a side note, I'm starting to see a greater possibility of scum!Shinichi... What set me off was his post shortly after day 2 when he said he only lynched Rosie because of her TPR claim, and now he thinks Ruu is TPR... Sounds kind of like a slip from mafia, thinking people are TPR instead of mafia with the mindset of knowing who is actually mafia. But yeah, I'd rather go for Crossbell today. Just because Suzune may be TPR doesn't mean she's wrong about Crossbell. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ RE1031 | 1 minute ago I didn't notice any change in your play. But we'll see if she offers an explanation for her reads. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ logic340 | 26 miutes ago I'll take a look into #1245 I'll also pay attention to how people respond to her and my response to her. That post from Shinischi pinged me too. I quoted where he questioned people believing her claim saying she was scum. I also quoted his posts that you're talking about and asked him to explain. I am not sure he ever did that. Going to look for that post. I am interested I her explanation as well, I hope she comes back before phase change. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ logic340 | 3 seconds ago (as of 1:50am) I'll try to finish up that Wyndz ISO I the morning. It's 2am I am calling it a night. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ logic340 | Today, 8:42 am I want to reveal but with no participation recently it seems like it would almost be a waste? I mean there are other topics that need to be discussed and this will likely become a focal point or at least something I feel people will discuss. So I am thinking I need to get it out earlier because to close to Phase Change and they wont have time to digest the information. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ RE1031 | Today, 10:55am I am fine with that, if we can't get discussion going, then I'm sure this will. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ logic340 | Today, 11:08am That was a big reason for me wanting to reveal but I also do not want to be a distraction you know? |
logic340May 22, 2017 8:58 AM
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May 22, 2017 9:03 AM
#1210
@zymf i just realized that post by crossbell most def means hes scum, he prob said that early on in the game so we wouldnt be able to go back to say hey your being a hypocrit for calling out zymf. He put a self defense mechanism in place to protect himself, no need to do that as town don't you think? |
May 22, 2017 9:04 AM
#1211
@logic340 did u ask togs before u psoted this message? Cause normally thats against the rules. |
May 22, 2017 9:08 AM
#1212
Shinichi-Kun said: It was discussed in the thread between RE and I though I didn't ask him directly. I hope I didn't fuck up :(@logic340 did u ask togs before u psoted this message? Cause normally thats against the rules. |
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May 22, 2017 9:09 AM
#1213
logic340 said: @Togs did I make a mistake by doing this? If so I am prepared to suffer the consequences of my sins.So RE1031 is my neighbor and here is what we discussed. I don't want to reveal this information too late and have it make things more chaotic that they can be at phase change. I would have revealed it sooner but I was hoping that other topics would be discussed first as I didn't want this to be a distraction. logic340 | May 20, 3:08 PM @Togs thank you sir. It's a pleasure to be your ducking. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ logic340 | May 20, 3:32 PM @RE1031 before we get down to business I need to make something clear to you. I told Zymf (or Wynd) that I would share my conversion with my neighbor in the thread and I fully intend to do this. So in taking part you concent to me sharing the entirety of what is said here with the other players. Now I to why chose you. I almost picked wen (YIKES!!!). I had a strong read there a this didn't resemble his scum games imo, sends I was right. I really wanted to pick Zymf because his playstyle (while not trollish) reminds me of DenjaX and we play really well together. He's also confirmed town. I'm Wyndz and I seen to think a lot a like so I figured have two people who think the same would be a waste. Shinichi was a bit if a wild card. He's been neighbored in two games I've been in with him so he has experience using this role (in a way) but I'm but comfortable enough with him to try and sort him in this way. I picked you because. I have a strong town read on you and we worked we worked well together in the Cult chat. My push during the night was more of an effort to keep the NK off of you and also my way of hinting at who I neighbored. That being said I don't trust you completely yet and will use this opportunity to finish sorting you. I would not have picked Ruu/Crossbell/Suzune Welcome to my neighborhood. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ logic340 | May 20, 3:52 PM Also please do not inform the thread that I have neighbored you just yet. I want to see if anyone goes looking for this information. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ logic340 | May 20, 10:33 PM @RE1031 will you join me for the beverage of your choice? __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ RE1031 | May 20, 11:14 PM Hmm... On second thought bleach is looking pretty nasty, I'll have some chamomile tea. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ RE1031 | May 20, 11:55 PM I don't know how to read Shinichi to be completely honest. The last two games I played with him I scum read him when he was town, so maybe those prior experiences are affecting my judgement here. He hasn't done anything significantly pro-town or anti-town as far as I can tell. But that's not entirely different from what I've seen. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ logic340 | Yesterday, 3:45 AM I did that ISO on Shinichi and I'm still but any closer to being a confident read on him this game. What are your thoughts on Suzune so far? West were your thoughts on Mela? I like get posts so far but l'm but I'm not liking grrr position in you svc Wyndz maybe it me who needs to reevaluate? But I feel kind of like I do with you? She's going against the flow and I'm not sure mafia subbing in st this point takes such an opposing viee on wyndz. His and Crossbell's ISO'ds will cine tomorrow for sure. I'm at the club right now. Stepped out to check the thread and there's nothing new :( I wish zymf was more active. He'd be in my PoE if he wasn't confirmed town? Wyndz EoD1 feels too town but I'm liking ove him again. I'm good lynching shinichi/crossbell/ruui More Ruu and Crossbell Syu this point.. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ logic340 | Yesterday, 9:48 AM I did that ISO on Shinichi and I'm still not any closer to being a confident read on him this game. What are your thoughts on Suzune so far? What were your thoughts on Mela? I like her posts so far but I'm not liking her position in you and Wyndz maybe it me who needs to reevaluate? But I feel kind of like I do with you? She's going against the flow and I'm not sure mafia subbing in at this point takes such an opposing viee on wyndz. His and Crossbell's ISO's will come tomorrow for sure. I'm at the club right now. Stepped out to check the thread and there's nothing new :( I wish zymf was more active. He'd be in my PoE if he wasn't confirmed town? Wyndz EoD1 feels too town but I'm liking over him again. I'm good lynching shinichi/crossbell/ruui More Ruu and Crossbell at this point __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ RE1031 | Yesterday, 10:21 AM Club? Is sleep even a thing. grrr = her svc = and I'm not sure if Suzune is fully caught up yet, so I'm letting her do that before seeing if I need to change my mind about town-reading Melanoid. My only reason for town-reading Mela is the way the votes on day 1 played out. I don't think scum would vote for each other. Like especially with Abu's vote - it took place at a time when you and WyNdZ had 2 votes in addition to Melanoid, yet he choose Melanoid, most likely in attempt to save himself by redirecting the train elsewhere. Like town, scum can mess up, but it seems really unlikely given the circumstances. As for Melanoid's suggestion about lynching the Peeker, I think they just thought it was a good idea. Scum don't actually need those kinds of strategies to get townies lynched, they can rely on things less attention-drawing. I don't understand her position on WyNdZ. My reasoning in suspecting him is pretty different and she seems to have way more reasons to suspect him than me yet she's voting for me. If anything, what she finds suspicious about him is what I town-read about him, like the defending Zymf thing. What is bothering me now about WyNdZ is that Zymf really wants to lynch him, the person who cleared him. I understand that even less, but what I would understand is if Zymf knows something WyNdZ does not (like I've said a million times, and Zymf's kind of ignoring that for some reason). As for Ruu, she's done a lot of questionable things. I guess this would be one of those too scummy for scum vibes, if that's actually a thing. I'd vote her but I'm kind of expecting a town flip. Well she hasn't posted anything this phase, so I don't really know. When she does maybe I'll have a clearer view. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ logic340 | Yesterday, 11:51 AM Sleep is about a 4-6 hour thing for me nightly. If I get more than that I end up feeling lethargic. Was going to do the Wyndz ISO first but I changed my mind and am going to start with Crossbell. I don't like Preflip association but if Crossbell were to flip scum I would be looking really hard in Shinichi's direction. In regards to Wyndz I feel the same way you do. I also find it hard to see scum playing EoD1 the way he did. He had Mela setup for a lynch and rather than push it he switches to his teammate Abu? That makes no sense especially given that he saved Zymf (unless he and zymf are scum together) which I find unlikely given their most recent interactions. I agree with Wyndz if Zymf wasn't confirmed town then I would suspect him. His play hasn't been great for town especially since he is confirmed. I do like that Zymfs reads are slightly different than the general consensus we seem to have come to. I also like that he suspects me as most seem to have just written me off as town. It shows that while his participation ist the greatest he's still trying to work through things. Had his activity been better I would have picked him. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ logic340 | Yesterday, 11:53 AM As for Ruu, she's done a lot of questionable things. I guess this would be one of those too scummy for scum vibes, if that's actually a thing. I'd vote her but I'm kind of expecting a town flip. Well she hasn't posted anything this phase, so I don't really know. When she does maybe I'll have a clearer view. I think I am starting to agree with this. This thought ran through my mind while answering Shinichi's questions from her ISO I did. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ RE1031 | Yesterday, 1:30 PM Because of the possibility of Shinichi being scum, I'm not entirely against Ruu's lynch. While it's more of a gut feeling that I feel Ruu is not scum, he does have valid reasons to suspect her and he has been doing so since day 2. As for Zymf, I don't know what he's doing, but he seems far too convinced that WyNdZ is scum. And his town reads based on certain quotes don't make too much sense to me. I don't know what to make of his interactions with WyNdZ, whether there's something there or is it just throwing me off from my other suspects. I would appreciate the Crossbell ISO because other than him acting similar to when he was scum, I don't have much. I'm surprised he hasn't brought up that he voted for Abu in his defense. Not sure if that's indicative of either side. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ logic340 | 10 hours ago Ruu had a similar idea about Wyndz so I really want to see her and Zymf discuss their shared view. Suzune seems to think he is scum too. If wyndz flips town it clears zymf so we're left with Suzune and Ruu. What do you think the chances of them being all town are? I find it low I'm still not sold on Mela/Suzune town based on that vote alone. I'm pretty sure whether Wyndz is scum or town that Zymf is town. He's trying to look at things from a different perspective and I respect that. We can't keep just moving to the next suspect we'll be playing into the Mafia's hands. That being said the reasoning on wyndz is interesting and will get a look when I put his ISO together later. Crossbell ISO is currently I the works. I have all his and Wyndz posts you could look through in he discussion thread (until the ISO's are done). With the way that Crossbell talked about wen possibly bussing I think it would be contradictory if he tried to say "but I voted Abu". I'm not saying him not saying anything makes him town but he does it I will see it as a scum tell and crucify him. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ RE1031 | 7 hours ago Okay thanks, it's hard to find anything solid that's scummy about Crossbell. What made me suspicious of him last time in Kitty Mafia was I kind of doubted Lamb's claim as backup doctor, and then Crossbell defended it which was a weird thing to defend someone of. That's why I was a bit hung up on him defending Ruu. WyNdZ kind of reminds of Pentaflare. Even though I'm kind of suspicious of him, I don't want to lynch him. He has been pretty helpful, and the majority of shade that gets thrown at him when broken down is because of his role, not his behavior. Also, not sure if this is still relevant, but the reason I held up on revealing my list until the end of night 2 was because I was kind of hoping Zymf would get killed. It would clear up so much if he was dead (I think). __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ logic340 | 6 hours ago I have almost of Crossbell's post summarized about to start analyzing would love it if you did the same. I'll look at his defense of Ruu carefully when I do. One thing I was thinking about is the way he voted Abu. When I have seen him us in the past he did it in a way he could get credit off the lynch (Shnichi in CCL he lead the lynch and grrr in Kitty early D3 iirc?). I totally agree I regards to Wyndz. Even Suzune's push is more related to his role than his behavior. I guess it's his behavior based on the role he has. While I don't necessarily agree I can see where you are coming from I don't think his death would be beneficial? I really feel like Wyndz and Zymf are both town and if we could get past that we could actually focus on a better pool for today. Me, you Shinichi, Crossell, Ruu, Suzu should be the only ones up for discussion imo right now. Shinichi/Ruu/Crossbell/suzu all need pressure Ruu - is MIA I am actually thinking about moving to Cross but I want to finish this ISO before I make that decision. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ logic340 | 5 hours ago Crossbell summary is done I'll drop some thoughts then do Wyndz __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ RE1031 | 2 hours ago Hmm I completely dismissed the possibility of Suzune being third party. That would make a lot sense, actually. I thought pointing out that Melanoid wanted to lynch the Peeker to get a confirmed townie as a counter to me asking for the name the Peeker received would work on her, but she didn't acknowledge it, which is odd. I feel like she may genuinely believe I am scum, knowing that Melanoid did what he did not as a town move but as lyncher. ruu said: I think it will be amusing if you say that someone has already accepted your invitation to tea and see their reactions. But it may just cause confusion, doubt, and chaos, so if you are going to reveal, end of night 3 might be a good time. It seems that Crossbell or Ruu are likely to be lynched today, so I don't think it's entirely necessary to reveal today. I am not sure how others will feel but this screams town to me. You're showing concern for the game state while a big loss for town it does answer some questions. I think Wyndz death would clear up more but I don't see a reason to e voting there. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ logic340 | 5 hours ago Crossbell summary is done I'll drop some thoughts then do Wyndz __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ logic340 | 3 hours ago Let's talk about Suzune. I find it weird that Melanoid started in on Wyndz and that's where she has started add well. Her positron on 3rd party is only survivor could work but my take in the mafia and town win conditions tell me if there is a third party it's likely anti in some nature. I don't think lyncher is out of the question. Thinking like this I get the feeling Mela's immediate push and vote on Wynzd, now Suzune's immediate push on Wyndz, her position on 3rd party, and her vote on you (though it sends she suspects Wyndz more) would lead me to think she could be a lyncher with Wyndz as get target? Also I don't like that she hasn't really supported her read on you.. Just saying that all your post read scum to her with out referencing it showing why she feels that way. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ RE1031 | 2 hours ago Hmm I completely dismissed the possibility of Suzune being third party. That would make a lot sense, actually. I thought pointing out that Melanoid wanted to lynch the Peeker to get a confirmed townie as a counter to me asking for the name the Peeker received would work on her, but she didn't acknowledge it, which is odd. I feel like she may genuinely believe I am scum, knowing that Melanoid did what he did not as a town move but as lyncher. I think it will be amusing if you say that someone has already accepted your invitation to tea and see their reactions. But it may just cause confusion, doubt, and chaos, so if you are going to reveal, end of night 3 might be a good time. It seems that Crossbell or Ruu are likely to be lynched today, so I don't think it's entirely necessary to reveal today. I'll start on analyzing Crossbell. I will hate it though because he always is super neutral. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ logic340 | 1 hour ago Don't know if I want to go too far down that rabbit hole on my Suzu theory just yet. I will put everything I a post I the discussion thread first. You see Ruu came into the thread ad asked me about my neighbor ability #1244? I'm not sure what to make of that I want to see her response to my question. I am thinking of dropping a little hint searching for a post right now. I got a pretty neutral read out of Crossbell. More comfortable than before but not comfortable enough. I would say he and Shinichi sit around the same level right now. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ RE1031 | 24 minutes ago I don't know why Ruu would ask that, but I would say it has less to do with alignment and more to do with the situation she's in. Maybe she feels she's hit a wall in analyzation and wants to move on to more concrete things, like day/night actions. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ logic340 | 8 minutes ago I might agree with this if she were doing any analysis. Crossbell, Shinichi, and myself have all asked her for something behavioral. Ask her reads are based in role info, claim, our gut feeling. I would really like to know how she went from scum reading me to saying and I'm playing like town now. Also was there some kind of change in my play at some point this game? Shouldn't that be weird or strange? __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ RE1031 | 4 minutes ago #1245 is actually kind of a town tell for me. She's expecting to be lynched. She's not pleading for her life, she's asking us to read into her lynch. Which, if everything I've heard about her scumplay is true, could just be her being manipulative. But idk. And on a side note, I'm starting to see a greater possibility of scum!Shinichi... What set me off was his post shortly after day 2 when he said he only lynched Rosie because of her TPR claim, and now he thinks Ruu is TPR... Sounds kind of like a slip from mafia, thinking people are TPR instead of mafia with the mindset of knowing who is actually mafia. But yeah, I'd rather go for Crossbell today. Just because Suzune may be TPR doesn't mean she's wrong about Crossbell. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ RE1031 | 1 minute ago I didn't notice any change in your play. But we'll see if she offers an explanation for her reads. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ logic340 | 26 miutes ago I'll take a look into #1245 I'll also pay attention to how people respond to her and my response to her. That post from Shinischi pinged me too. I quoted where he questioned people believing her claim saying she was scum. I also quoted his posts that you're talking about and asked him to explain. I am not sure he ever did that. Going to look for that post. I am interested I her explanation as well, I hope she comes back before phase change. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ logic340 | 3 seconds ago (as of 1:50am) I'll try to finish up that Wyndz ISO I the morning. It's 2am I am calling it a night. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ logic340 | Today, 8:42 am I want to reveal but with no participation recently it seems like it would almost be a waste? I mean there are other topics that need to be discussed and this will likely become a focal point or at least something I feel people will discuss. So I am thinking I need to get it out earlier because to close to Phase Change and they wont have time to digest the information. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ RE1031 | Today, 10:55am I am fine with that, if we can't get discussion going, then I'm sure this will. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ logic340 | Today, 11:08am That was a big reason for me wanting to reveal but I also do not want to be a distraction you know? |
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May 22, 2017 9:12 AM
#1214
Shinichi-Kun said: How does this post alone make Crossbell scum? What do you mean self defense mechanism? Like he called out Zymf about his catch up posting style so that if someone said something to him about it he could call them out? How @zymf i just realized that post by crossbell most def means hes scum, he prob said that early on in the game so we wouldnt be able to go back to say hey your being a hypocrit for calling out zymf. He put a self defense mechanism in place to protect himself, no need to do that as town don't you think? |
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May 22, 2017 9:14 AM
#1215
@Shinichi-kun I am not going to hurt my head up about it too much. I said in the thread I would be sharing our interactions. I told RE in the first post in the thread I would be sharing. I created this post in the Club last night some 11 hours before posting and made it clear my intent was to put it in the thread. I am sure he knew I was going to do it but I didn't think to check with the host first. I will take it as a learning lesson. |
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May 22, 2017 9:53 AM
#1216
With 2 hours left can we consolidate on to two trains? Are the votes on Wyndz and RE serious? |
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May 22, 2017 10:03 AM
#1217
logic340 said: Yes other is a very serious vote. I could compromise on cross, wy, or ruu though because they are also high on my list. I cannot be here fornphase change though because it is right in the middle of my work day.With 2 hours left can we consolidate on to two trains? Are the votes on Wyndz and RE serious? |
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May 22, 2017 10:07 AM
#1218
Suzune-chan said: Could you share your thougths on my Ruu and Crossbell ISO's?logic340 said: Yes other is a very serious vote. I could compromise on cross, wy, or ruu though because they are also high on my list. I cannot be here fornphase change though because it is right in the middle of my work day.With 2 hours left can we consolidate on to two trains? Are the votes on Wyndz and RE serious? And this post here when you have a chance |
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May 22, 2017 10:08 AM
#1219
logic340 said: Honestly I would love to but I cannot I have to return to work in five minutes. However in my experience with ruu I think she is better scum then she is playing but her busy kind of fluff posts make me really suspect her. I have given my perspective on cross already.Suzune-chan said: Could you share your thougths on my Ruuand Crossbell ISO ISO's?logic340 said: With 2 hours left can we consolidate on to two trains? Are the votes on Wyndz and RE serious? |
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May 22, 2017 10:10 AM
#1220
Sadly with where the roleover of this game is I will have to play early each phase because I cannot be here at the end. |
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May 22, 2017 10:11 AM
#1221
Suzune-chan said: logic340 said: Honestly I would love to but I cannot I have to return to work in five minutes. However in my experience with ruu I think she is better scum then she is playing but her busy kind of fluff posts make me really suspect her. I have given my perspective on cross already.Suzune-chan said: logic340 said: Yes other is a very serious vote. I could compromise on cross, wy, or ruu though because they are also high on my list. I cannot be here fornphase change though because it is right in the middle of my work day.With 2 hours left can we consolidate on to two trains? Are the votes on Wyndz and RE serious? I feel it's too scummy to be scum sometimes then she proclaims town like she usually does as mafia and I'm like which tell is more true? With Crossbell it's more due to his activity and a gut feel I have. I surely don't feel as strongly here as I did in Kitty mafia when I caught him but I am no where near comfortable with him either. I remember your initial thoughts on Crossbell just was curious if anything changed and if you saw my ISO. Have a good day at work. See you in the evening. |
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May 22, 2017 10:12 AM
#1222
I've just gotten sick with stomach pain and headache, so this will be my last post today. (I'm gonna lay down soon and feel sorry for myself x.x) Vote: Crossbell I guess I can gain info on WyNdZ as well from lynching Crossbell. It's a shame that we have to lynch our watcher though.. |
May 22, 2017 10:21 AM
#1223
logic340 said: @Shinichi-kun I am not going to hurt my head up about it too much. I said in the thread I would be sharing our interactions. I told RE in the first post in the thread I would be sharing. I created this post in the Club last night some 11 hours before posting and made it clear my intent was to put it in the thread. I am sure he knew I was going to do it but I didn't think to check with the host first. I will take it as a learning lesson. Its ok its not game breaking anyways normally tho its not allowed but we will see, seeing as how its your messages its sohuld ultiamtely be up to you. |
May 22, 2017 10:22 AM
#1224
@logic340 Zymf's catching up posting style reminds me of myself when I'm scum (just catch up, respond to a bunch of questions, and never ask any of my own) without doing any actual scumhunting. Plus, I'm really interested as to why he said that wen's post gave him town vibes because I don't see it myself. Doesnt it feel like he's setting up a safe mechanism, it's kinda like he's softing that hes town based on the way hes catching up now but the way zymf is catching up is scum. You don't think thats strange at all? |
May 22, 2017 10:25 AM
#1225
May 22, 2017 10:32 AM
#1226
Zymf said: I guess I can gain info on WyNdZ as well from lynching Crossbell. It's a shame that we have to lynch our watcher though.. It is but he obviously didn't find out anything from last night. He would have at least left a vote. |
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May 22, 2017 10:39 AM
#1227
Shinichi-Kun said: I am getting similar soft townie claim vibes from Ruu and Crossbell's posts. You have been doing it too which I find interesting since you kind of got me to stop doing it so much? I will vote for either I just want to be certain we have no last minute shenanigans going on. A tie would end in RNG this time around but I would rather we avoid that.@logic340 Zymf's catching up posting style reminds me of myself when I'm scum (just catch up, respond to a bunch of questions, and never ask any of my own) without doing any actual scumhunting. Plus, I'm really interested as to why he said that wen's post gave him town vibes because I don't see it myself. Doesnt it feel like he's setting up a safe mechanism, it's kinda like he's softing that hes town based on the way hes catching up now but the way zymf is catching up is scum. You don't think thats strange at all? |
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May 22, 2017 10:43 AM
#1228
RE1031 said: I guess it's possible he didn't use his ability last night? Otherwise if he did I am assuming he didn't watch wen or he would have shared that information? Zymf said: I guess I can gain info on WyNdZ as well from lynching Crossbell. It's a shame that we have to lynch our watcher though.. It is but he obviously didn't find out anything from last night. He would have at least left a vote. |
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May 22, 2017 10:44 AM
#1229
Hi I am here on mobile because I have been unable to be at my laptop for the past day or two because i've been travelling. I understand that I am likely the lynch Today and I think I deserve it because of my spotty activity. This is completely understandable and I get it. However, I am town, and I will try my best to prove it to you guys in this last hour. If I do not manage to be able to, sorry guys for letting you down. |
May 22, 2017 10:45 AM
#1230
Gonna self pres. Vote Ruu The reason why I wasn't voting was because I was trying to sort out which of Ruu/Shinichi/RE are scum and I wasn't sure. |
May 22, 2017 10:47 AM
#1231
WyNdZ said: So lets see, it looks like either Ruu or Crossbell will be lynched. If crossbell comes online I expect him to place his vote on Ruu for self-preservation. Anyways I've spoken about Ruu already so I'm gonna talk about Crossbell now. Crossbell - I find him very hard to read. On day 1 his posts looked very townish although he did jump onto the train on voting on zymf last. I've stated before that I feel the chances of mafia being on that train is very high and at present all three of those players are still alive so the chances of that being true are even higher. He voted on Abu though which is another townish thing. After day 1 he's not been that active (laying low?) but he's not done anything that stands out as scum. I really agree with his analysis of the players though. In contrast Ruu has done a lot of things that can be perceived as scummy. One thing I'll have to say though is that Ruu is definitely not afraid to stand out. She does things that she knows will be perceived as scummy but still does it. She has a lot of scummy behaviour that it just makes me feel that isn't this too obvious?Would a mafia really act this way? I feel the same way about both of them. Last time Crossbell was scum I found things that were off like how he pushed the Rosie mislynch before jumping on the train. With Ruu I know she has been scum so often that she has a hard time being town. That being said her early game seemed to be her playing more carefully while her late game seems to be more carefree? |
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May 22, 2017 10:48 AM
#1232
Zymf - I always make catch up posts regardless of alignment, I've just made more of them this game than usual because ever since school ended I've been traveling. If you notice I've been trying to ask questions and scumhunt with the limited time I have as opposed to your very mechanical, only commenting on posts catch up posts you had. |
May 22, 2017 10:49 AM
#1233
Zymf said: Two questions:I've just gotten sick with stomach pain and headache, so this will be my last post today. (I'm gonna lay down soon and feel sorry for myself x.x) Vote: Crossbell I guess I can gain info on WyNdZ as well from lynching Crossbell. It's a shame that we have to lynch our watcher though.. If Crossbell flips town what does that tell you about Wyndz? If Crossbell flips scum what does that tell you about Wyndz? |
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May 22, 2017 10:53 AM
#1234
Crossbell said: So this is my view of the gamestate - honestly, I have a sneaking suspicion that someone is pocketing me somewhere, but I feel like I need more information to figure that out :/ The wen flip means that I don't think my reads are too off, though? I'm town, struggling as I am to actually prove it. logic is extremely behaviorally townie and has put in a lot of manwork solving the game. If he's scum, I'd be very impressed with his play. I don't really see anything different from normal town logic? Zymf I think is also always town here with the way he interacted with AbuHumaid Day 1. Suzune/melanoid slot is probably very likely town here as well, due to the nature of how Suzune caught up + melanoid's vote pattern Day 1. Honestly gun to my head if there's a deep scum here I think it might be Wyndz. I've heard of active scum newbies before (Gruffin in CCL comes to mind) and there's a possibility he fooled me earlier during Day 1. If I had time to reread him I would. ---- These leaves me with Ruu, RE, and Shinichi. Easy world: Two out of three are scum. Hard world: One out of the three are scum, and one of the people upper in the list are scum. Impossible world: None of them are scum. Ruu unnerves me with her single minded tunnel on logic which I've asked her to explain but she hasn't. I want to hear from her regarding the flip and who she suspects currently - she's probably the person I am most comfortable voting for? Mostly because I think she's good as scum. RE I think out of the three is probably the least scummy? It basically hinges on if she proposes the double vote thing as scum, which.. I don't think she risks if she is indeed scum? If she does she has guts in order to do that in order to clear herself. Shinichi is just mostly here because I haven't really seen many solid stances from him. This is mostly my fault, but I don't think we've talked to each other aside from the early game and I have no idea where he's at in terms of reads. This is a dude who didn't vote at all Day 1, voted Rosie Day 2, and is still not voting anyone Today so yeah. @Shinichi-kun - 1. What is your read on me? 2. Who do you want to lynch Today, and why? 3. Who do you think is town? I'm asking these questions mostly because I read your entire posting history on page 23 and I didn't get. Really anything. This post here is really my legacy though. Once I flip town, look at this post and at least consider it since I've been proven town. Logic and Zymf are basically never scum here. Wyndz I am kind of paranoid for white knighting me but I think he'd take a stronger stance against my lynch if he actually knew my alignment. Suzune is likely town especially with the response she gave to me regarding her gut. RE/Shinichi/Ruu. Scum are in this pile. Lynch in this pile after me. |
May 22, 2017 10:56 AM
#1235
Activity this phase has left me feeling uncomfortable with this Vote Count. I really wanted Ruu, Suzune, and Zymf to talk about their views on Wyndz? I was hoping that Suzune and Zymf would chat with me more about our reads on Wyndz? I was hoping Ruu would be active. Her activity this phase amounts to fishing and shaming? Wish that someone would respond to an ISO or my and RE's interactions from our neighbor chat? |
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May 22, 2017 10:59 AM
#1236
Logic is there a chance I can convince you to vote for Ruu Today? She's literally done nothing today except for self pres. |
May 22, 2017 11:02 AM
#1237
WyNdZ said: You're welcome transparency is the key. @logic340 - Thanks for posting those logs b/w you and RE. Really gave me a new perspective, made me think of things that I didn't even consider before. Also I'm feeling like RE is leaning towards a town read now due to recent posts but I have to go back and check again. If I consider RE to be a town read then basically the people who I don't have a town read on are Ruu Shinichi Crossbell Both Shinichi and Crossbell I have a kind of neutral or slightly leaning town read. They've both not done anything that makes me think is scummy behaviour but I'm finding it difficult to read them that I wouldn't be surprised if they flip scum. Now the problem with this is that Shinichi seems to be strongly for voting on Ruu which makes me think they're not on the same side. That means either 1)Ruu and Crossbell are both mafia (seems unlikely though) 2)Shinichi and Crossbell are mafia (but my vote is on Ruu so that means I'm voting on the wrong person) 3)My reads are off and someone from my town reads is a mafia 1. I also find this one unlikely but I cannot ignore the possibility. 2. This is one that has stood out to me for a while. More Shinichi's side of I than Crossbell though as I have tried to get Shinichi to answer me on Crossbell and he feels standoffish about my questioning? 3. This one is also possible and I am starting to think it's likely due to so many people's reads being similar and with how this phase has gone. |
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May 22, 2017 11:05 AM
#1238
Crossbell said: Yes I know this which I find very concerning.. Also did Ruu even meet the minimum post requirement for this phase? Her suspect lists this game have been so flimsy and she did a complete 180 on her read on me without ever saying why? I asked her about it and repeatedly asked her for reads but to no avail. I will take it under consideration but I don't want to start jumping my vote back and forth here in the last few minutes. Logic is there a chance I can convince you to vote for Ruu Today? She's literally done nothing today except for self pres. |
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May 22, 2017 11:06 AM
#1239
WyNdZ said: I also want to know how you feel about Crossbell. This is a two part question for me since it could help settle my own feeling on Crossbell while giving me a read on Shinichi.@Shinichi-kun - I know you think Ruu is scum but I want to know what you feel about Crossbell. |
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May 22, 2017 11:07 AM
#1240
Does anyone else find it odd that Ruu seems to be dodging me since I did my ISO. Also does anyone find her 180 read on me to be strange? |
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May 22, 2017 11:10 AM
#1241
@Togs can we get a vote count please. And thank you. |
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May 22, 2017 11:11 AM
#1242
It's in your hands guys. Can't really be on for much longer given that data is horrendous. Good luck |
May 22, 2017 11:15 AM
#1243
WyNdZ said: Sorry I should have made that more clear. That was for Shinichi I was just saying I wanted to know the answer to your question as well but for the two reasons I listed below.logic340 said: WyNdZ said: @Shinichi-kun - I know you think Ruu is scum but I want to know what you feel about Crossbell. I kind of just posted how I felt about crossbell WyNdZ said: Crossbell - I find him very hard to read. On day 1 his posts looked very townish although he did jump onto the train on voting on zymf last. I've stated before that I feel the chances of mafia being on that train is very high and at present all three of those players are still alive so the chances of that being true are even higher. He voted on Abu though which is another townish thing. After day 1 he's not been that active (laying low?) but he's not done anything that stands out as scum. I really agree with his analysis of the players though. WyNdZ said: Both Shinichi and Crossbell I have a kind of neutral or slightly leaning town read. They've both not done anything that makes me think is scummy behaviour but I'm finding it difficult to read them that I wouldn't be surprised if they flip scum. These are basically my thoughts on Cross at this point. I guess I can add that I didn't like his "I'm catching up posts" at all. I'm still finding Ruu's behaviour more scummy than Crossbell so I'm probably going to keep my vote on Ruu. |
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May 22, 2017 11:17 AM
#1244
🍫 Vote Count 3.5 🍫 🔥 🐥 Crossbell 🐥 🔥 (4): 🐰 RE1031, Ruu, logic340, Zymf 🐰 🐣 Ruu 🐣 (3): 🐰 WyNdZ, Shinichi-kun, Crossbell 🐰 🐣 RE1031 🐣 (1): 🐰 Suzune-chan 🐰 🌱 Not Voting 🌱 ~ 🐤 Role Index 🐤 Camoflagued Egg [Watcher] - Crossbell Fullmetal Egg [Jailer] - Zymf Golden Egg [Lightning Rod] - AbuHumaid Explosive Egg [Bomb] - Oyasumi_Rosie Occult Egg [Peeker] - Wyndz Duckling Egg [Neighborizerr] - Logic340 Sparkling Egg [Reloader] - Yurkin Royal Egg [Doublevoter] - Re1031 Spooky Egg [Amnesiac] - Shinichi-kun Decorative Egg [Artist] - wen294 Oeuf Suprême [Chef] - Suzune-chan Green Egg and Ham [Egg Thrower] - Ruu >>Day 3 Timer<< |
TogsMay 22, 2017 11:47 AM
May 22, 2017 11:19 AM
#1245
🍫 Vote Count 3.5 🍫 🐣 RE1031 🐣 (1): 🐰 Suzune-chan 🐰 I know a lot of you have a town read on Suzune's slot but the bolded right here bothers me. |
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May 22, 2017 11:20 AM
#1246
I am okay with either Crossbell or Ruu. Somewhat fine leaving it up to RNG. With Ruu her scumminess is blatantly obvious, so I'd feel less guilty voting for her and she flipped town whereas if Crossbell were to flip town, I'd feel a lot more guilty. But trying to ignore that for now. |
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May 22, 2017 11:25 AM
#1247
RE1031 said: Yeah we cannot vote based on how we will if someone flips this or that. I feel like the evidence against Ruu is much more solid than what is being presented against Crossbell. I know I sound like a broken record but that 180 on me with no explanation is just blah....I am okay with either Crossbell or Ruu. Somewhat fine leaving it up to RNG. With Ruu her scumminess is blatantly obvious, so I'd feel less guilty voting for her and she flipped town whereas if Crossbell were to flip town, I'd feel a lot more guilty. But trying to ignore that for now. |
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May 22, 2017 11:33 AM
#1248
If I unvote I wonder who the tie breaker would be? Based of behavior I think I am more inclined to vote Ruu right about now. She has been dodging me after calling me out for being scum without ever giving a read on me? Unvote: Vote: Ruu |
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May 22, 2017 11:37 AM
#1249
logic340 said: Shinichi-Kun said: I am getting similar soft townie claim vibes from Ruu and Crossbell's posts. You have been doing it too which I find interesting since you kind of got me to stop doing it so much? I will vote for either I just want to be certain we have no last minute shenanigans going on. A tie would end in RNG this time around but I would rather we avoid that.@logic340 Zymf's catching up posting style reminds me of myself when I'm scum (just catch up, respond to a bunch of questions, and never ask any of my own) without doing any actual scumhunting. Plus, I'm really interested as to why he said that wen's post gave him town vibes because I don't see it myself. Doesnt it feel like he's setting up a safe mechanism, it's kinda like he's softing that hes town based on the way hes catching up now but the way zymf is catching up is scum. You don't think thats strange at all? I tried to stop myself but honestly its hard at times lol, its generally fustrating to have someone put so much thought into your actions being scummy when uractually town. I still find it weird because like u said ruu normally does this as scum and i feel like crossbell never does it at all. |
May 22, 2017 11:38 AM
#1250
Crossbell said: Hi I am here on mobile because I have been unable to be at my laptop for the past day or two because i've been travelling. I understand that I am likely the lynch Today and I think I deserve it because of my spotty activity. This is completely understandable and I get it. However, I am town, and I will try my best to prove it to you guys in this last hour. If I do not manage to be able to, sorry guys for letting you down. This post on the otherhand i like, instead of throwing salt or distaste towards his voters hes showing sympathy towards us. I feel like the way he worded this is coming from a town aligned player. |
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