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ringoo4 said: I thought time skip would be at least 5 years. For every single of those who said time skip is awkward. I can tell you; for the person who read one piece chapter by chapter each week for 6 years, this is the best timing for time skip. For fuckin 500 or more chapter, Luffy never actually trained or did 'proper' power up. He defeated all his animes in, basically same way. Yep, there was Gear 2... Gear 3.. blahblah. But that isn't really power-up, since it is just using pre-existing advantage of gomu gomu no mi. It enhanced his strength, and speed to levels he hadn't even been close to up until that point, so yeah, i'd say that Gear 2nd and 3rd were a power up. It's not that people feel the power up(time)skip itself is awkward, it's the length of it that some(myself included) don't like. |
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| well obviously he has smth planned in mind. cause 2 years its fucking long, there will be a HUGE amount of changes.. for example Coby sure will be a fukcking Captain of a marine squad already ( 2 years training under Garp will sure help him) a new Admiral, Fleet Admiral, and other radical changes.. so if it would be a 1 YEAR time skip the changes would be very minor.. so obviously he made 2 years so that he could change the OP world somehow.... ofc the crew will be the same, but he sure thought that pretty well what he is doing with his manga.. its still the best selling manga so its not like he thought that when he was sleeping and decided to change the other day.. he had planned the time skip since arhipelago arc... 3 more weeks to come 8D |
smokes said: He's also said he's had the ending planned out ever since the beginning. ಠ_ಠofc the crew will be the same, but he sure thought that pretty well what he is doing with his manga.. its still the best selling manga so its not like he thought that when he was sleeping and decided to change the other day.. he had planned the time skip since arhipelago arc... 3 more weeks to come 8D |
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| well obviously when you start smth you should know how you will end it, so no bid deal here.. for ex. Kishimoto also knows how naruto will end.. i mean the image of being a hokage, or the pirate king they should know this from the start |
| i dont like the age gap betwen Luffy and Boa Hancok its to big 11 years :| , but maybe age does not matter in this manga (hope so) |
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| Well no, you don't get what I mean. Of course everyone has a clue on how it will end, but Oda knows every last detail of it ever since the beginning, supposedly. Naruto is a different case because Kishimoto probably has it set up, but not all the details. Oda does however. And that is what I meant. Oda has a lot of things planned out. Brooke, etc etc.... He'll probably even surprise us during Fishman Island. And I am not for the time skip. I would rather see the world change slowly than just have a clusterfuck of shit. But I wouldn't be surprised if Oda went in this direction because of the way the whole Whitebeard thing played out. I remember having to wait YEARS to hear about what is going on between Whitebeard/Shanks..... Ace incident, etc.... And even though I hated the waiting, I enjoyed the fact that we also had this very interesting side story going on that would eventually become a major part in the series. Of course I am going to enjoy the pure epicness of this clusterfuck of shit, but I would prefer the way it has been for years. And I will rage when it takes Luffy 1 year to get to One Piece while it takes Kidd... Blackbeard... etc 3 years to make it. Which will just be pure bullshit. But I have doubted Oda in the past, and have paid for it. Many a time. |
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| 2 years fuckin short time. What are you guys talking about? Rayleigh himself said that he cannot teaching everything about Haki in that time, but only able to do basics. ODA KNOWS IT ALL SO LET'S SHUT UP AND ENJOY FABULOUSNESS |
ringoo4 said: 2 years fuckin short time. What are you guys talking about? Rayleigh himself said that he cannot teaching everything about Haki in that time, but only able to do basics. ODA KNOWS IT ALL SO LET'S SHUT UP AND ENJOY FABULOUSNESS Typical boasting about a new power up in a series. Heard it about the Kamehameha, Kaioken, Sacred Energy, the Rasengan, Bankai, etc. My God.-_- The Oda worshipping on MAL is really getting annoying. |
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| ^ because entire Japanese/Korean mangafan population worships Oda, not just me. :) Know the circumstance. and, all those butthurts have absolutely nothing to do with what I have been saying, anyway. Seriously, I was talking about time skip isn't really long, and you suddenly jump on to 'THS SUCK BECAUE TIME SKIP IS GENERIC SHIT' discussion. |
JusticeHart said: And I will rage when it takes Luffy 1 year to get to One Piece while it takes Kidd... Blackbeard... etc 3 years to make it. Which will just be pure bullshit. thats why 2 years is too short =) i cant see luffy be a pirate king at 18 years old or so.. thats just ridiculous.. hopefully we will have another time skip in the end of the series.. like 5 years or so. Gunbladewarrior said: My God.-_- The Oda worshipping on MAL is really getting annoying. rofl dude just ignore that -_- obviously you dont know what sarcasm is. ringoo4 said: Seriously, I was talking about time skip isn't really long, and you suddenly jump on to 'THS SUCK BECAUE TIME SKIP IS GENERIC SHIT' discussion. dude just ignore him ^_~ obviously time-skip is for training mainly, but not only. |
| I won't ignore, since Ima member of Senjou-kyodan and need to say spite all the time. |
ringoo4 said: ^ because entire Japanese/Korean mangafan population worships Oda, not just me. :) Know the circumstance. and, all those butthurts have absolutely nothing to do with what I have been saying, anyway. Seriously, I was talking about time skip isn't really long, and you suddenly jump on to 'THS SUCK BECAUE TIME SKIP IS GENERIC SHIT' discussion. -_- Well heck, if they do it then it must be justified. :I Actually they do. Where did I even say it sucked? All I said was that it was typical boasting about a power up.-_- |
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| ^ i dont have actually other option rather than that.. instead of seeing 20 episodes of training like naruto, a time skip is way more better.. plus trainings are not that much in OP anyways.. |
| Because you are quoting me when it has nothing to do with what you actually said. BINGO! Flawless logics! When you say it is 'typical', that is butthurt, true fact. One Piece's time skip has reason and fits with circumstance of New era and change of villains. Naruto time skip was out of no-where after sasugay escape with awkwardly rushed pace; still better than average shonen shit plot, though. Just because time skip is overused, it doesn't mean it always has to be typical or generic. Then, no-one will able to explain how the hack TTGL was over the brilliance when it had 'LOL GENRIC TIME SKIP' that you hate so much. Know the rule lmao. However, it cannot be justified anyway, since people with 'OPINION' can never accept anything others say but 'I'M NOT LISTENING TIME SKIP IS LULZ'. |
| Obviously you're adding things to my post which I didn't say.-_- Once more I didn't say typical time skip or whatever. What I said was that Rayleigh's claim about Haki is typical power up boasting that happens all the time. smokes said: ^ i dont have actually other option rather than that.. instead of seeing 20 episodes of training like naruto, a time skip is way more better.. plus trainings are not that much in OP anyways.. Again you're misunderstanding me. Even though i'm not a fan of most time skips, I have no problem with One Piece doing it. Like I said my only problem is the length. |
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| ^ This is what you said; Typical boasting about a new power up in a series. Heard it about the Kamehameha, Kaioken, Sacred Energy, the Rasengan, Bankai, etc. Obviously, you fail it stating things properly. Plus, it still doesn't make sense to my post, as what I said was "HAKI TOOK LONG TIME TO LEARN", when your answer is "HAKI IS FUCKIN GENERIC POWER UP". And, it is still butthurt statement whatsoever, by stating bunch of non-sense examples.The reason I'm adding up is you posts are freakin one liner which does not know how to explain your opinion properly. |
ringoo4 said: ^ This is what you said; Typical boasting about a new power up in a series. Heard it about the Kamehameha, Kaioken, Sacred Energy, the Rasengan, Bankai, etc. Obviously, you fail it stating things properly. Plus, it still doesn't make sense to my post, as what I said was "HAKI TOOK LONG TIME TO LEARN", when your answer is "HAKI IS FUCKIN GENERIC POWER UP". And, it is still butthurt statement whatsoever, by stating bunch of non-sense examples.The reason I'm adding up is you posts are freakin one liner which does not know how to explain your opinion properly. Because you can't understand anything = I dun explain eet properly? Even though after I said further what I was talking about you still went on and on about the same thing.-_- Yep, I clearly stated that Haki was a generic power up. |
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Avarice said: And what we have here right now is my point completely going over your head. Wonderful, just wonderful. This doesn't look to be a promising discussion anymore so before this just goes into a redundant back-and-forth, I will just bid you good night. Good night my little troll. :) |
| I really don't get the issue everybody seems to have with Haki. It is so much unlike chakra/ki/mana/etc. They're not going to start throwing fireballs and yell "I'm out of haki". Reread the last chapter if you think this is the case. |
| ^indeed, haki is the most unique 'power-up' in the whole shounen series.. well except the sensing people what they will do in the next seconds..( this one is on every shounen show) the other 2 ones are perfectly done. at the beginning of teh series i was wondering how the FUCK will luffy fight with Smoker, or Aokiji etc.. i though the power were un-balanced.. now everything is ok... |
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JusticeHart said: And I will rage when it takes Luffy 1 year to get to One Piece while it takes Kidd... Blackbeard... etc 3 years to make it. Which will just be pure bullshit. But I have doubted Oda in the past, and have paid for it. Many a time. Why do people have this idea that One Piece will be something tangible like a treasure hidden in some island deep in the new world, I honestly have always believed that when Gol D roger spoke of one piece was in fact a away of telling people to go seek the truth or go find the whole picture, I think one piece is the Hidden truth discoverd by Gold D roger about the world and how it came to be controled by the corupt marines and world goverment, I believe it is the truth about the Void Century which is forbidden by the World Government and gathered by Gold D roger and hidden away lest it be destroyed. My theory is that the world goverment and marines dates back its roots to pirates and the main founders were the ancestors of the modern World Nobles called the Twenty Kings probably Infamous pirates at the time united togther and made truce to usurp the Ancient Kingdom and form what is known as the world goverment and marines , I also believe Dragon, luffies father has knowledge of this also and when the time comes there will be a huge war for the leadership of the whole world ( the one that whitebeard spoke of) and luffy will be the one who will lead the forces of good vs the forces of evil and bring peace and stabilty in the end. I hope I havent spoiled the ending for you But its just my theory. |
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JusticeHart said: This is what happens when there is no One Piece for an extended amount of time. But you gotta admit, it's pretty entertaining xD |
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| @dark light and why did you have to quote me? and when did I actually say it was a tangible thing? In fact, I said MONTHS ago that one piece is most likely the very thing you think it is. So get your facts straight. I even said so myself MONTHS ago that when Luffy finds one piece, the final arc will be set into motion, where he fights the current WG regime. *inserts :rollseyes: emoticon* |
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mulderman said: indeed, and I fully admit, I would put out for Oda if i was a chick. JusticeHart said: This is what happens when there is no One Piece for an extended amount of time. But you gotta admit, it's pretty entertaining xD and that's directed to the person that said we are on Oda's balls all the time. |
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JusticeHart said: @dark light and why did you have to quote me? and when did I actually say it was a tangible thing? In fact, I said MONTHS ago that one piece is most likely the very thing you think it is. So get your facts straight. I even said so myself MONTHS ago that when Luffy finds one piece, the final arc will be set into motion, where he fights the current WG regime. *inserts :rollseyes: emoticon* Woah easy kid, dont freak out on me just cause I quoted you, I believe you said that you will dislike it if luffy reaches one piece before the others, I then sought to give you my theory, theres no need to lash at me ^^' |
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| And you failed to even argue against me. You quote me for saying I will be mad if Luffy makes it to one piece before anyone else when someone like Blackbeard and Kidd had a 2 year head start. You just go on to randomly say what you think one piece is. I don't want people randomly quoting me and then going on a tangent. |
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JusticeHart said: And you failed to even argue against me. You quote me for saying I will be mad if Luffy makes it to one piece before anyone else when someone like Blackbeard and Kidd had a 2 year head start. You just go on to randomly say what you think one piece is. I don't want people randomly quoting me and then going on a tangent. The reason for quoting you was because of what you said and that was - And I will rage when it takes Luffy 1 year to get to One Piece while it takes Kidd... Blackbeard... etc 3 years to make it. Which will just be pure bullshit From this I came to the conclusion that you believed one Piece was something Tangible and preceded to give you my theory which I believe is obvious and known about by everyone, I was not in any way trying to disapprove you but merely giving you a different out look on what one piece might be, The End ^^ |
DarK_LiGhTSep 3, 2010 3:43 PM
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JusticeHart said: mulderman said: indeed, and I fully admit, I would put out for Oda if i was a chick. JusticeHart said: This is what happens when there is no One Piece for an extended amount of time. But you gotta admit, it's pretty entertaining xD and that's directed to the person that said we are on Oda's balls all the time. I don't remember using the word balls anywhere. Though it would probably be true if I had. |
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| time jump...haki explained...so many questions answered |
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Gunbladewarrior said: Obviously, you need to study poetry a bit more. :)I don't remember using the word balls anywhere. Though it would probably be true if I had. |
| ^ totally xD MarcothePheonix said: Lets stay on topic Naruto and One piece there different anime and Kishimoto and Oda have different ways of building up there main characters strengths whether its training or just natural raw talent as we seen in Luffy so far. noo, i'm not saying naruto training sucks, its just they took forever in the anime, just for ONE character ( naruto) like 10-20 episodes, then they put filler in the middle. but in OP we have 9 characters.. so a training for all the characters would be like around 40-50 episodes just for that xD so obviously time-skip is better in this case ( not naruto one) |
DarK_LiGhT said: JusticeHart said: and luffy will be the one who will lead the forces of good vs the forces of evil and bring peace and stabilty in the end.. I'm going to have to, respectfully ofcourse, disagree with you there. What's Oda done till now is make a very thin line, if any line at all, between good and evil. The Marines protect people from pirates, still not all pirates are bad. Even though most are. But then the Marines employ the Shichibukai, who are also pirates. Among these pirates you have the honorable Jimbei, Kuma and Mihawk but also the bad Doflamingo, Moria and Crocodile/Blackbeard. Also, Nami is a thief and Robin is an assassin. And within the marines you have Aokiji, Coby, Smoker, Tashigi and before Sengoku and Garp. These are definately not evil Marines. In the world of One Piece, there is no such thing as pure evil and pure good. |
Jesuvius said: I'm going to have to, respectfully ofcourse, disagree with you there. Dark_LiGhT said: and luffy will be the one who will lead the forces of good vs the forces of evil and bring peace and stabilty in the end.. What's Oda done till now is make a very thin line, if any line at all, between good and evil. The Marines protect people from pirates, still not all pirates are bad. Even though most are. But then the Marines employ the Shichibukai, who are also pirates. Among these pirates you have the honorable Jimbei, Kuma and Mihawk but also the bad Doflamingo, Moria and Crocodile/Blackbeard. Also, Nami is a thief and Robin is an assassin. And within the marines you have Aokiji, Coby, Smoker, Tashigi and before Sengoku and Garp. These are definately not evil Marines. Yes your absolutely right but even though there are good marines such as smoker and coby and garp who want to uphold justice, their still working for the world goverment, but that wont always be the case. I believe by the end of this manga the good marines, Pirates will learn the truth and filter from the rest and side with luffy and fight against the corrupt goverment and there allies, that is what I meant |
DarK_LiGhTSep 4, 2010 5:00 AM
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DarK_LiGhT said: Yes your absolutely right but even though there are good marines such as smoker and coby and garp who want to uphold justice, their still working for the world goverment, but that wont always be the case. I believe by the end of this manga the good marines, Pirates will learn the truth and filter from the rest and side with luffy and fight against the corrupt goverment and there allies, that is what I meant Ah my bad then, I see what you mean. I don't really know how many truly evil people actually exist in One Piece though, but it's an interesting idea. What I would love to see is more involvement of the Gorousei, perhaps even a fight with (1 of) them |
ringoo4 said: Gunbladewarrior said: Obviously, you need to study poetry a bit more. :)I don't remember using the word balls anywhere. Though it would probably be true if I had. Not really. |
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| We clearly suffer from One Piece withdrawal XD (Um I'm not sure if it's the correct word :P) |
Sennin_Darkissa said: We clearly suffer from One Piece withdrawal XD (Um I'm not sure if it's the correct word :P) That's the correct word since, clearly, a lot of people on this thread are addicts. ( ￣▽￣) |
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DarK_LiGhT said: JusticeHart said: And I will rage when it takes Luffy 1 year to get to One Piece while it takes Kidd... Blackbeard... etc 3 years to make it. Which will just be pure bullshit. But I have doubted Oda in the past, and have paid for it. Many a time. Why do people have this idea that One Piece will be something tangible like a treasure hidden in some island deep in the new world, I honestly have always believed that when Gol D roger spoke of one piece was in fact a away of telling people to go seek the truth or go find the whole picture, I think one piece is the Hidden truth discoverd by Gold D roger about the world and how it came to be controled by the corupt marines and world goverment, I believe it is the truth about the Void Century which is forbidden by the World Government and gathered by Gold D roger and hidden away lest it be destroyed. My theory is that the world goverment and marines dates back its roots to pirates and the main founders were the ancestors of the modern World Nobles called the Twenty Kings probably Infamous pirates at the time united togther and made truce to usurp the Ancient Kingdom and form what is known as the world goverment and marines , I also believe Dragon, luffies father has knowledge of this also and when the time comes there will be a huge war for the leadership of the whole world ( the one that whitebeard spoke of) and luffy will be the one who will lead the forces of good vs the forces of evil and bring peace and stabilty in the end. I hope I havent spoiled the ending for you But its just my theory. I've thought about a non-tangible One Piece before, and "I" will rage if OP ends up being something along the lines of "One Piece has been in your heart all along". The thought alone pisses me off. Another ending I've thought of that would piss me off is at the end of the series it shows Luffy and the crew making it to say, a cave of some sort, and we get to watch their expressions finding the One Piece, them being satisfied with what they see and we, the fans, don't get to see crap. But yeah, imo I think that just about everyone's main objectives will be met around the time they find One Piece and the objectives will all tie in some way. Zoro will find a really strong sword(s?) that could rival Mihawks dark blade, Sanji will find All-blue, Robin will find the Rio Poneglyph and yeah, there'll be something that'll benefit everyone in the crew. So you'll get everything from tangible and non-tangible treasure wherever the One Piece is. Treasure and weapons to information from the Rio Poneglyph about the world's history. It may even be the location of the Weapons of Mass Destruction are being kept as well.(Roger moved them all to one location perhaps?) Either way, when I think about all of the unanswered questions One Piece has, I don't think this manga/anime is going to end any time soon. Best thing about it is that is still has SOOOOOO much potential even though it's a long running series. Vegapunk? Sabo is probably still alive. Dragon? And then there is of course the thing that Luffy said at the beginning of the series. He said... 10 people in his crew would be good. The crew now has 9 in it right now. Who's the tenth? Dun Dun Dun!!(Well, 9th if you don't include Luffy) |
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MistaCloudStrife said: Zoro will find a really strong sword(s?) that could rival Mihawks dark blade, Sanji will find All-blue, Robin will find the Rio Poneglyph and yeah, there'll be something that'll benefit everyone in the crew. S I like that Idea, makes me think of RPG games such as final fantasy games where u find strong weapons in the most Dangerous caves and what not but I like the idea of everyone finding what they been searching for, am sure wherever Gol D roger has hidden one Piece, he might as well have hidden his most powerful sword or other treasures that the crew might find useful. |
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MistaCloudStrife said: I've thought about a non-tangible One Piece before, and "I" will rage if OP ends up being something along the lines of "One Piece has been in your heart all along". The thought alone pisses me off. Another ending I've thought of that would piss me off is at the end of the series it shows Luffy and the crew making it to say, a cave of some sort, and we get to watch their expressions finding the One Piece, them being satisfied with what they see and we, the fans, don't get to see crap. But yeah, imo I think that just about everyone's main objectives will be met around the time they find One Piece and the objectives will all tie in some way. Zoro will find a really strong sword(s?) that could rival Mihawks dark blade, Sanji will find All-blue, Robin will find the Rio Poneglyph and yeah, there'll be something that'll benefit everyone in the crew. So you'll get everything from tangible and non-tangible treasure wherever the One Piece is. Treasure and weapons to information from the Rio Poneglyph about the world's history. It may even be the location of the Weapons of Mass Destruction are being kept as well.(Roger moved them all to one location perhaps?) Either way, when I think about all of the unanswered questions One Piece has, I don't think this manga/anime is going to end any time soon. Best thing about it is that is still has SOOOOOO much potential even though it's a long running series. Vegapunk? Sabo is probably still alive. Dragon? And then there is of course the thing that Luffy said at the beginning of the series. He said... 10 people in his crew would be good. The crew now has 9 in it right now. Who's the tenth? Dun Dun Dun!!(Well, 9th if you don't include Luffy) Same, as meaningful and stuff the intangible One Piece would be, I would hate it. "it's love!" God that would suck. Also, for some reason I think that Zoro will already be a masterswordsman before they find One Piece. Like just before he defeated Mihawk. Also, I'm almost positive the next crewmember will be a Fishman. Why? They're going to Fishman Island, we have pretty much everything except for one (and a Giant, but that would be too difficult to carry around), it gives room for new kinds of battles (underwater!) and it would just be awesome. But with both the next crewmember and One Piece, it's impossible to guess. Oda's a crazy genius and all we can do is wait to see what happens and accept it when it does. Just enjoy the crazy ride, so to speak :P I mean, who figured we would have a skeleton as a crewmember? :P Also, I think Luffy didn't say "10 members" but "10 members before entering the Grand Line", if I'm not mistaken. |
| Didn't Oda say a few years ago that One Piece would at the very least be something tangible? Besides "One Piece treasure was the journey" would be complete bullshit because thats Luffy's mindset from the very beginning. It simply wouldn't work as a twist near the end. We already know the journey is just as important. |
muldermanSep 5, 2010 6:20 AM
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| lolx, i think we will not make it in 3 more weeks, we're getting MORE and MORE into it with this discussion, We'll our own story of OP if this keeps going... god i really miss it now.. haha |
| just checking in....is it four weeks yet? xD |
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| I guess i'm the only one that doesn't miss One Piece all that much. lol mulderman said: Besides "One Piece treasure was the journey" would be complete bullshit Indeed. |
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Jesuvius said: They're going to Fishman Island, we have pretty much everything except for one (and a Giant, but that would be too difficult to carry around) nah, we actually have a 'giant'.. chopper's Monster form.. its equivalent to a giant.. so when there will be some giant fights, chopper will be the one fighting them.. that was obvious from the beginning :D so no need for real 'giants' in the crew.. only a fishwoman =) |
smokes said: Jesuvius said: They're going to Fishman Island, we have pretty much everything except for one (and a Giant, but that would be too difficult to carry around) nah, we actually have a 'giant'.. chopper's Monster form.. its equivalent to a giant.. so when there will be some giant fights, chopper will be the one fighting them.. that was obvious from the beginning :D so no need for real 'giants' in the crew.. only a fishwoman =) Lol where'd you get that idea? Would be cool though, but it being obvious? And fishwoman? Or do you mean a mermaid? Cause I wouldn't like a mermaid at all >_> And fishwoman would just be weird |
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