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Jul 7, 2010 10:47 AM

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Xplicity said:
I went to see this when it first came out. All I can say is, if you are going to see this film, don't bother with getting 3-D tickets. It's really not worth the extra money at all.

True. I saw it in 3D and it was a total waste of money (but the theatre I went to was only showing the 3D version - money grab much?). There were plenty of times where it didn't even look close to 3D but almost exactly how I'd expect it to look normally. It was poor at best.

As for the film itself, I don't think it was SO terrible that it deserves an 8% rating on Rotten Tomatoes. I was able to enjoy it to some extent, although I was pretty sad about the choice in actors and the weird name pronounciations. Also, I think I was able to enjoy some parts only because I've watched the animated series so I filled in the missing gaps in the movie automatically. I can see those who haven't seen the animated series not completely understanding all the nuances in, well, everything that the movie glossed over for time that the series delved into and developed slowly over the entire first season (such as the relationship between Aang and Zuko, highlighted in the Blue Spirit episode/film scene).

So yeah, by no means a great movie but I've seen much worse.
Jul 7, 2010 10:50 AM
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The theme is asian, the moves are asian. We got white people playing the roles and zuko is the guy from slumdog millionaire. Couldn't they pick people more suited to the roles. -.-
Jul 7, 2010 10:57 AM

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Never liked the cartoon so I won't watch it.
Jul 7, 2010 11:39 AM

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Nottori said:
2. The names. Really? Souka? Ahng? Eeroh? It's not as though they're adapting a book, the names are clearly pronounced IN THE FREAKING SHOW. It's as if they wrote a name on a scrap paper and asked strangers on the street how they'd pronounce it and stuck with it.

Souka? For real?? I remmember a scene in the first season when the guy who was going to marry Yue calls him Souka and he was the character who pronounced all the names wrong, like Admiral Cho.

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3. The storyline in general. I could be a fan and complain that they cut out this and that (eg. Suki)

.'(

Of course they weren't going to put everything of the series but Suki is kinda important.

I haven't seen the movie, but the cast... eww x( I mean, Water tribe people are eskimos and the actors are white, Fire Nation people are white and the actors are indian, wth
And where's Zuko scar?

And from the trailer the fights seemed.. kinda fake
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Jul 7, 2010 12:07 PM
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Tsuyu_no_sekai said:
Nottori said:
2. The names. Really? Souka? Ahng? Eeroh? It's not as though they're adapting a book, the names are clearly pronounced IN THE FREAKING SHOW. It's as if they wrote a name on a scrap paper and asked strangers on the street how they'd pronounce it and stuck with it.

Souka? For real?? I remmember a scene in the first season when the guy who was going to marry Yue calls him Souka and he was the character who pronounced all the names wrong, like Admiral Cho.

Nottori said:
3. The storyline in general. I could be a fan and complain that they cut out this and that (eg. Suki)

.'(

Of course they weren't going to put everything of the series but Suki is kinda important.

I haven't seen the movie, but the cast... eww x( I mean, Water tribe people are eskimos and the actors are white, Fire Nation people are white and the actors are indian, wth
And where's Zuko scar?

And from the trailer the fights seemed.. kinda fake

Well actually, Fire Nation is heavily inspired by Japanese/Chinese cultures which you can see from their clothes, buildings, etc. So I'd say, if anything, they would most likely be those based on the facial features of majority of the fire nation, characters like Zuko, Azula, Iroh, etc., and from the clothing and hairstyles used.
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Wow this thread seemed to kill the movie for me...was it REALLY that BAD !?

im in LOVE with the animated series..i cant get enough
hmmm.. but somthing told me that the movie wouldnt be good..i mean toph isnt even in it !!
Jul 7, 2010 1:56 PM

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It's not?

I was kinda expecting that the movie was not just a summary of the series, but it looks like it is, and a bad one
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Jul 7, 2010 7:50 PM

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Totally loved the series. Hopefully the movie dosen't turn out to be crap :P

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Jul 7, 2010 10:13 PM

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I don't know, Dragonball Evolution was crap and had crap special effects, this at least has good special effects.

I reviewed it ages ago lets just say the phrase "Wrost film ever" can be placed upon its name.
Its not even so chessy its watchable(Fist of the north star, Street fighter the movie) its life ending bad
Haven't seen either of those. :-/

Blood the last vampire was epicly good (Nice to see a vampire film where there not emo lovy dovey crap) and it has Deep Purple on the sound track
City Hunter has Jackie Chan in it back before Hollywood spoiled his carrier with shitty films (It also has this bit that still makes tear of laughter rolling down my face)

Nerd fact
The guy that became Ken also played "Ken" in the Fist of the North star live action film (see cheesy, but good)


1st of all, those are anime, not cartoons.

2nd Blood the last Vampire is your personal opinion because it got abysmal reviews and made like no money in America like little over 5 mill, I don't even thing that was enough to cover cast and crew. I'm sure there are some people who think Dragon Ball: Evolution is epicly good too.

3rd. City Hunter never even made it out of China.
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Jul 7, 2010 10:42 PM
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I have no intention of seeing this movie, but I will say this, based on what I've seen of the trailers: If they ever make an Ender's Game movie, the studio would be better of rewriting the story to be about sixteen year old kids instead of six, that way they can have 25-year olds play the role. I have a pretty good suspension of disbelief, and even I can't get over the cheesiness of that trailer with the CGI-assisted kung-fu-kids.
Jul 7, 2010 10:58 PM

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Jigero said:


1st of all, those are anime, not cartoons.
Anime are cartoons...




JellyButter said:
Wow this thread seemed to kill the movie for me...was it REALLY that BAD !?

im in LOVE with the animated series..i cant get enough
hmmm.. but somthing told me that the movie wouldnt be good..i mean toph isnt even in it !!
Tsuyu_no_sekai said:
It's not?

I was kinda expecting that the movie was not just a summary of the series, but it looks like it is, and a bad one
You two, this movie is a summary of the first "book" of the series: Water. I don't think Toph was in the first book.
Jul 8, 2010 12:17 AM

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I went to see it over the weekend and honestly, I didn't think it was horrible. Dragon Ball Evolution was 10x worst than this movie. The actors need to work on their acting but other than that it was still watchable. If anything I'd give it a 6.5/10.


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Jigero said:


1st of all, those are anime, not cartoons.
Anime are cartoons...


Yea no shit, I was using it in the sense American made animations, turned into live action movies NEVER DO WELL AT ALL. there hasn't been one. It's a hopeless source material.
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Jigero said:

Yea no shit, I was using it in the sense American made animations, turned into live action movies NEVER DO WELL AT ALL. there hasn't been one. It's a hopeless source material.


I disagree on the source material being hopeless. At least in Avatar's case, I have no idea what M.Night thought he was doing with this film. It could have been a good film had it had good direction, good actors, good script, and hadn't strayed from the source material. It also would have been better had it been longer, the target audience for the show may have been very young but it ended up gaining a much larger audience ranging to adults so I think it could have been much longer at least as long as the Harry Potter films which where 2hrs 40 mins long at the most. OR split up the seasons. If I'm not wrong at least season 2 and 3 have midway point in their season which served as good finales until the second half began airing.

And by source material I don't mean just the story. The source material honestly was good before and didn't need any changes made to it nor did it really need to be altered. The creators of the show obviously put in a lot of work, detail, and did extensive research into making the world of Avatar. Yet, M.Night threw 90% of it out except for the plot and characters and watered down what was interesting martial arts and bending.

At this rate, if there is a sequel, I don't see how M.Night is going to smash some of the important parts of the first season he either left out or cut out into the second movie which has even more going on even without the filler episodes.
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to tell the truth..i was hooked!!! i started watching whenit started when i was like 12 and was faith full to the end...so many eyars of waitng....worth it...but the movie just F*&%s it up baaas
Jul 8, 2010 3:52 AM

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It could have been a good film had it had good direction, good actors, good script, and hadn't strayed from the source material.


Wowy kazowy if all bad movies where good, they would be good movies! It is that simple, but they never do it right anyways.
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Jul 8, 2010 4:23 AM

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zharnotczar said:
You two, this movie is a summary of the first "book" of the series: Water. I don't think Toph was in the first book.


Oh, I didn't know. I thought they putted the whole series in the movie.
The movie hasn't been out in the theaters here yet.
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Jul 8, 2010 6:43 PM

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JellyButter said:
Wow this thread seemed to kill the movie for me...was it REALLY that BAD !?

im in LOVE with the animated series..i cant get enough
hmmm.. but somthing told me that the movie wouldnt be good..i mean toph isnt even in it !!
Tsuyu_no_sekai said:
It's not?

I was kinda expecting that the movie was not just a summary of the series, but it looks like it is, and a bad one
You two, this movie is a summary of the first "book" of the series: Water. I don't think Toph was in the first book.

Yea , i just kinda figured that. Toph is in the 2nd book. "Earth"
Jul 8, 2010 6:48 PM

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JellyButter said:
Yea , i just kinda figured that. Toph is in the 2nd book. "Earth"

I'm well aware, so they're gonna do a movie for each season. (If they were, they're not anymore since the movie seems to be awful)
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Jul 8, 2010 7:32 PM
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Tsuyu_no_sekai said:
JellyButter said:
Yea , i just kinda figured that. Toph is in the 2nd book. "Earth"

I'm well aware, so they're gonna do a movie for each season. (If they were, they're not anymore since the movie seems to be awful)

Yup, that is if they do enough at the box office to warrant a sequel. However, the numbers are dropping and Toy Story 3 is beating it out even though it's been out for over 3 weeks. With Despicable Me coming out tomorrow, expect those numbers to drop even further. It will also continue to drop if theaters start lowering the amount of screening in the next week or so.

Many are speculating that The Last Airbender will have to make about $300 million in order to make a profit.
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I don't think that's going to be that hard. Considering that the movie got out in almost every country and that you have tons of A:TLA fans. And even those who read the reviews are still going to watch the movie.
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Tsuyu_no_sekai said:
I don't think that's going to be that hard. Considering that the movie got out in almost every country and that you have tons of A:TLA fans. And even those who read the reviews are still going to watch the movie.

There's really no saying how much it will earn in the overseasl market and even if it does do well overseas, it's not guarantee that it will get a sequel.

Even though Eragon did well enough at the box office, the critical reception killed a sequel.

Personally, I hope it doesn't happen. There are too many issues in the first film especially with the characters for the second film to be good. There are probably going to be many changes made to the next films with what was left out. I don't see how he's going to cram the Kiyoshi Warriors into the next film and give us enough time to care about them with all of the other import events that happen in the second season. Especially if the next film stays at 100 mins :x
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This movie was absolutely horrible for a number of reasons, but a few that stood out to me:

1. The choppy and boring dialogue. Honestly, the worst written script I've ever heard. Not to mention a huge over-reliance on the narration. The only reason the movie gives as to why Sokka and Yue are ~in love is because the narrator (Katara) says so. You're not shown any scenes at all of it. Very deep, movie Souka and Yue. :|

2. Cramming 20 episodes into a movie was the dumbest idea ever. It was like every 5 minutes was the equivalent of summing up one episode. The scene where Katara and Sokka break Aang out of the ice? Like 2 minutes and suddenly he's their best friend. With no development at all. Zuko takes Aang away for no explainable reason in the movie, and the spirits and fish at the end made no sense whatsoever, or they would not have to a none viewer of the show.

3. The movie looked so cheaply made. Everyone praises the beginning for being faithful, but it looked like it was filmed from a highschool play. The red background was like a cheap shower curtain from the looks of it; you could see it flop around in the background! Even the effects were bad. How can anyone take seriously the scene where about 10 Earthbenders do a break dance before sending a ROCK flying at the Fire Nation? Not a boulder, but a ROCK. It was completely laughable and pathetic.

4. I dunno what M. Night was thinking when he filmed certain scenes. It was so embarrassing to see Katara and Sokka's actors, clearly white, when the rest of their clan was Inuit- and Asian-looking. ALL of the extras were Asian. So stupid and cringe-worthy.

M. Night is delusional if he thinks anyone would be pleased with this, especially the fans.
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It looks like James Cameron is our last chance for a good animated adaptation.

he would make beast battle angel alita. downside is the success would make hollywood adapt more and more animu by other directors
Jul 8, 2010 9:57 PM
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I didn't like the movie at all. I am curious to see how they slaughte cowboy bebop by making it a live action movie.
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That's it. I was gonna watch Avatar the Last Airbender but now I think I'll skip to Toy Story 3 and Shrek the Fourth.

Thanks a lot, M.Night for ruining one of my most favourite series from my tender ages of 12-14.

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That's it. I was gonna watch Avatar the Last Airbender but now I think I'll skip to Toy Story 3 and Shrek the Fourth.

Thanks a lot, M.Night for ruining one of my most favourite series from my tender ages of 12-14.

I think you meant to say that you're going to [re]watch the A-Team, right?
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How can anyone take seriously the scene where about 10 Earthbenders do a break dance before sending a ROCK flying at the Fire Nation? Not a boulder, but a ROCK. It was completely laughable and pathetic.
Oh man, I saw it on premiere night with friends and we were laughing so hard at that scene. There were just so many of them for that tiny rock; it was the funniest thing ever.

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bwahahachick said:
How can anyone take seriously the scene where about 10 Earthbenders do a break dance before sending a ROCK flying at the Fire Nation? Not a boulder, but a ROCK. It was completely laughable and pathetic.
Oh man, I saw it on premiere night with friends and we were laughing so hard at that scene. There were just so many of them for that tiny rock; it was the funniest thing ever.

lol ikr? So funny to see the rock just cruising on by. I saw it with my friend as well and that was just one of the many parts where we completely lost it with laughter. The others were the dramatic zoom in on Iroh's EYE when Zhao killed the moon spirit and Pakku's hilariously weird battle cry.
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they should have made a samurai jack movie instead
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they should have made a samurai jack movie instead

yea samurai jack was an awesome animated series...too bad it ended prematurely ;_;
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icekatana8825 said:
StonerWithABoner said:
they should have made a samurai jack movie instead

yea samurai jack was an awesome animated series...too bad it ended prematurely ;_;

They are making a Samurai Jack movie. It's being co-produced by J.J. Arbams but it won't be a live action film. Thankfully they will be keeping it in 2D animation.

http://screenrant.com/jj-abrams-producing-samurai-jack-movie-robf-35322/
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I expected Last Airbender to be sooo bad based on horrible reviews, but it was very watchable! I really liked the fast pace and how no line of dialogue was wasted. That's actually what annoyed me when I tried to watch the show back in the day. Way too much filler, very slow-paced, and finally I couldn't take how episodic it was. I know there's a long-term plot in there somewhere so GET ON WITH IT!!

*ahem* Back to the movie.

WTF was up with the fighting? Were they all doing Tai Chi?? Some of it looked bizarrely turn-based, especially in the Earth prisoner camp. Was a little embarrassing to watch. But some of the fighting wasn't bad later on, such as when Aang got rescued from the Air temple. Special effects looked nice, particularly the water. I guess you didn't have much time to care about the characters, but I still managed to get emotionally involved here and there. Overall I disliked it a lot less than I expected to.
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CapellaStar said:
icekatana8825 said:
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they should have made a samurai jack movie instead

yea samurai jack was an awesome animated series...too bad it ended prematurely ;_;

They are making a Samurai Jack movie. It's being co-produced by J.J. Arbams but it won't be a live action film. Thankfully they will be keeping it in 2D animation.

http://screenrant.com/jj-abrams-producing-samurai-jack-movie-robf-35322/
Thank god it will be sticking to the original media.
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zharnotczar said:
CapellaStar said:
icekatana8825 said:
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they should have made a samurai jack movie instead

yea samurai jack was an awesome animated series...too bad it ended prematurely ;_;

They are making a Samurai Jack movie. It's being co-produced by J.J. Arbams but it won't be a live action film. Thankfully they will be keeping it in 2D animation.

http://screenrant.com/jj-abrams-producing-samurai-jack-movie-robf-35322/
Thank god it will be sticking to the original media.

I know, I'm glad someone other than John Lasseter from Pixar and Studio Ghibli still believes in making 2D films and not transferring everything to 3D. I like 3D and all but after Pixar's success (and still ongoing success)with 3D every studio dropped 2D in favor of it thinking it would make their films better....even though it hasn't. Their films are still as crappy as they where in 2D because they fail at telling good stories :/

When I first read it I thought it was going to be in 3D animation and I almost threw a fit. It just wouldn't be the same in 3D. Plus all of the backgrounds, animation, and everything from Samurai Jack is gorgeous.
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The movie start with four elements introduction. Normally, there are four elements, fire, water, wind and earth. But according to asian philosophy, regularly is five elements. To chinese/taoism and martial arts teachings, there are five elements and that includes, five, earth, metal, wood, water.

With the classical four western elements, we can assume easily that the element water, is the strongest one. Fire cannot do anything against water, wind either cannot do much to the water. Earth can do no harm, the water just prevail and adapts, no matter how many times it gets hit by rock etc. (Imagine you hitting the water, it does nothing, just return to it's shape)
Water is adaptable and without shape, if you put it in tea-cup it'll become a tea-cup, if you put it in can it'll become can.

Only element wood can "win", nourish and control the water. The boat, the boat floats, it is made out of wood, thus water cannot win or prevail.
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The movie start with four elements introduction. Normally, there are four elements, fire, water, wind and earth. But according to asian philosophy, regularly is five elements. To chinese/taoism and martial arts teachings, there are five elements and that includes, five, earth, metal, wood, water.

With the classical four western elements, we can assume easily that the element water, is the strongest one. Fire cannot do anything against water, wind either cannot do much to the water. Earth can do no harm, the water just prevail and adapts, no matter how many times it gets hit by rock etc. (Imagine you hitting the water, it does nothing, just return to it's shape)
Water is adaptable and without shape, if you put it in tea-cup it'll become a tea-cup, if you put it in can it'll become can.

Only element wood can "win", nourish and control the water. The boat, the boat floats, it is made out of wood, thus water cannot win or prevail.


that because it's not based on the Chinese classical elements, the elements in Avatar are based on the Indian Tattva Elements Air, Earth, Fire, Water, Spirit.

Hell Avatar is a Hindu term, Avatars were the projections of Vishnu on the mortal plain.

I like how when ever people hear "asian" they automatically assume " Chinese or Japanese"
It doesn't think, it doesn't feel, it doesn't laugh or cry..... All it does from dusk till dawn is make the soldiers die.
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Jigero said:
spupapi said:
The movie start with four elements introduction. Normally, there are four elements, fire, water, wind and earth. But according to asian philosophy, regularly is five elements. To chinese/taoism and martial arts teachings, there are five elements and that includes, five, earth, metal, wood, water.

With the classical four western elements, we can assume easily that the element water, is the strongest one. Fire cannot do anything against water, wind either cannot do much to the water. Earth can do no harm, the water just prevail and adapts, no matter how many times it gets hit by rock etc. (Imagine you hitting the water, it does nothing, just return to it's shape)
Water is adaptable and without shape, if you put it in tea-cup it'll become a tea-cup, if you put it in can it'll become can.

Only element wood can "win", nourish and control the water. The boat, the boat floats, it is made out of wood, thus water cannot win or prevail.


that because it's not based on the Chinese classical elements, the elements in Avatar are based on the Indian Tattva Elements Air, Earth, Fire, Water, Spirit.

Hell Avatar is a Hindu term, Avatars were the projections of Vishnu on the mortal plain.

I like how when ever people hear "asian" they automatically assume " Chinese or Japanese"


China uses the 5 elements of Life and the 4 Elements of Destruction.
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Jigero said:
spupapi said:
The movie start with four elements introduction. Normally, there are four elements, fire, water, wind and earth. But according to asian philosophy, regularly is five elements. To chinese/taoism and martial arts teachings, there are five elements and that includes, five, earth, metal, wood, water.

With the classical four western elements, we can assume easily that the element water, is the strongest one. Fire cannot do anything against water, wind either cannot do much to the water. Earth can do no harm, the water just prevail and adapts, no matter how many times it gets hit by rock etc. (Imagine you hitting the water, it does nothing, just return to it's shape)
Water is adaptable and without shape, if you put it in tea-cup it'll become a tea-cup, if you put it in can it'll become can.

Only element wood can "win", nourish and control the water. The boat, the boat floats, it is made out of wood, thus water cannot win or prevail.


that because it's not based on the Chinese classical elements, the elements in Avatar are based on the Indian Tattva Elements Air, Earth, Fire, Water, Spirit.

Hell Avatar is a Hindu term, Avatars were the projections of Vishnu on the mortal plain.

I like how when ever people hear "asian" they automatically assume " Chinese or Japanese"


China uses the 5 elements of Life and the 4 Elements of Destruction.


Huh? No they don't they use Fung Shui. Earth, Wood, Metal, Fire, Water. They are all reciprocal, no one is stronger then the other, and all are able to over come another. and they can create one another.
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Jigero said:
shintai88 said:
Jigero said:
spupapi said:
The movie start with four elements introduction. Normally, there are four elements, fire, water, wind and earth. But according to asian philosophy, regularly is five elements. To chinese/taoism and martial arts teachings, there are five elements and that includes, five, earth, metal, wood, water.

With the classical four western elements, we can assume easily that the element water, is the strongest one. Fire cannot do anything against water, wind either cannot do much to the water. Earth can do no harm, the water just prevail and adapts, no matter how many times it gets hit by rock etc. (Imagine you hitting the water, it does nothing, just return to it's shape)
Water is adaptable and without shape, if you put it in tea-cup it'll become a tea-cup, if you put it in can it'll become can.

Only element wood can "win", nourish and control the water. The boat, the boat floats, it is made out of wood, thus water cannot win or prevail.


that because it's not based on the Chinese classical elements, the elements in Avatar are based on the Indian Tattva Elements Air, Earth, Fire, Water, Spirit.

Hell Avatar is a Hindu term, Avatars were the projections of Vishnu on the mortal plain.

I like how when ever people hear "asian" they automatically assume " Chinese or Japanese"


China uses the 5 elements of Life and the 4 Elements of Destruction.


Huh? No they don't they use Fung Shui. Earth, Wood, Metal, Fire, Water. They are all reciprocal, no one is stronger then the other, and all are able to over come another. and they can create one another.


The four holy beasts of the Four winds, Control the 4 elements of Destruction.
Jigero said:
shintai88 said:
Jigero said:
spupapi said:
The movie start with four elements introduction. Normally, there are four elements, fire, water, wind and earth. But according to asian philosophy, regularly is five elements. To chinese/taoism and martial arts teachings, there are five elements and that includes, five, earth, metal, wood, water.

With the classical four western elements, we can assume easily that the element water, is the strongest one. Fire cannot do anything against water, wind either cannot do much to the water. Earth can do no harm, the water just prevail and adapts, no matter how many times it gets hit by rock etc. (Imagine you hitting the water, it does nothing, just return to it's shape)
Water is adaptable and without shape, if you put it in tea-cup it'll become a tea-cup, if you put it in can it'll become can.

Only element wood can "win", nourish and control the water. The boat, the boat floats, it is made out of wood, thus water cannot win or prevail.


that because it's not based on the Chinese classical elements, the elements in Avatar are based on the Indian Tattva Elements Air, Earth, Fire, Water, Spirit.

Hell Avatar is a Hindu term, Avatars were the projections of Vishnu on the mortal plain.

I like how when ever people hear "asian" they automatically assume " Chinese or Japanese"


China uses the 5 elements of Life and the 4 Elements of Destruction.


Huh? No they don't they use Fung Shui. Earth, Wood, Metal, Fire, Water. They are all reciprocal, no one is stronger then the other, and all are able to over come another. and they can create one another.


Feng shui is one form, But if You follow more into tao, You will realise there are more. the 5 elements are a life cycle, where as the others are represented differently. The Baqua Formation symbolises a combination of 8 elements.
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Jigero said:
shintai88 said:
Jigero said:
spupapi said:
The movie start with four elements introduction. Normally, there are four elements, fire, water, wind and earth. But according to asian philosophy, regularly is five elements. To chinese/taoism and martial arts teachings, there are five elements and that includes, five, earth, metal, wood, water.

With the classical four western elements, we can assume easily that the element water, is the strongest one. Fire cannot do anything against water, wind either cannot do much to the water. Earth can do no harm, the water just prevail and adapts, no matter how many times it gets hit by rock etc. (Imagine you hitting the water, it does nothing, just return to it's shape)
Water is adaptable and without shape, if you put it in tea-cup it'll become a tea-cup, if you put it in can it'll become can.

Only element wood can "win", nourish and control the water. The boat, the boat floats, it is made out of wood, thus water cannot win or prevail.


that because it's not based on the Chinese classical elements, the elements in Avatar are based on the Indian Tattva Elements Air, Earth, Fire, Water, Spirit.

Hell Avatar is a Hindu term, Avatars were the projections of Vishnu on the mortal plain.

Well, I thought Avatar was little bit based on martial arts, so I assumed that they would use the five elements of taoism, because as you said "They are all reciprocal, no one is stronger then the other, and all are able to over come another. and they can create one another."

shintai88 said:
The Baqua Formation symbolises a combination of 8 elements.
Yes, but let me fix you little bit. It is not elements but trigrams. But then those eight trigrams are related to feng shui, hexagrams and the five elements of taoism.

Well the Avatar movie is targeted to younger audiences, and if the movie started to talk about Bagua then most of them wouldn't understand what it is about.
spupapiJul 12, 2010 9:12 AM
The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao. The name that can be named is not the eternal name. The nameless is the beginning of heaven and Earth. The named is the mother of the ten thousand things.
I do not recall, Jesus ever saying "build churches, temples, and kill those who doesn't follow christianity..." nor he said "christianity is religion".
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spupapi said:
Jigero said:
shintai88 said:
Jigero said:
spupapi said:
The movie start with four elements introduction. Normally, there are four elements, fire, water, wind and earth. But according to asian philosophy, regularly is five elements. To chinese/taoism and martial arts teachings, there are five elements and that includes, five, earth, metal, wood, water.

With the classical four western elements, we can assume easily that the element water, is the strongest one. Fire cannot do anything against water, wind either cannot do much to the water. Earth can do no harm, the water just prevail and adapts, no matter how many times it gets hit by rock etc. (Imagine you hitting the water, it does nothing, just return to it's shape)
Water is adaptable and without shape, if you put it in tea-cup it'll become a tea-cup, if you put it in can it'll become can.

Only element wood can "win", nourish and control the water. The boat, the boat floats, it is made out of wood, thus water cannot win or prevail.


that because it's not based on the Chinese classical elements, the elements in Avatar are based on the Indian Tattva Elements Air, Earth, Fire, Water, Spirit.

Hell Avatar is a Hindu term, Avatars were the projections of Vishnu on the mortal plain.

Well, I thought Avatar was little bit based on martial arts, so I assumed that they would use the five elements of taoism, because as you said "They are all reciprocal, no one is stronger then the other, and all are able to over come another. and they can create one another."

shintai88 said:
The Baqua Formation symbolises a combination of 8 elements.
Yes, but let me fix you little bit. It is not elements but trigrams. But then those eight trigrams are related to feng shui, hexagrams and the five elements of taoism.

Well the Avatar movie is targeted to younger audiences, and if the movie started to talk about Bagua then most of them wouldn't understand what it is about.


Well u do know China can trace the origins of it's Martial Arts back to India right?

All Element Philosophies are pretty similar, The Tattva elements of Air, Fire, Water and Earth are the elements of the mortal plain while Spirit is the Realm of Vishnu.
JigeroJul 12, 2010 9:28 AM
It doesn't think, it doesn't feel, it doesn't laugh or cry..... All it does from dusk till dawn is make the soldiers die.
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While still on the subject of the bending. I received the artbook for the show and it goes into a bit of detail about the bending. The creators stated that while they found the 5-elemental theory interesting, they decided to go with the 4 elemental theory, which contrary to what others have said isn't just used by Westerns. They also say that while they aren't experts they found the 4-element system to be more universally well known and also found in ancient Buddhist teaching.

Since from my understanding, Hindu and Buddhism are related we could say that Avatar's bending is inspired by both.

All in all, I'm just reiterating what Jigero already said just with a source :x
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I'm not planning to waste my time with that crap, thank you very much xD
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*I just went today &
WELL ! THIS MOVIE SUCKED !!!!
Im a HUGE Avatar fan, & this movie...was epic FAILUREE !

1. They continued to call Aang , Ong ! ← i was correcting that the whole movie ! && Sokka - Soakka
2. They skipped about the WHOLE book ! It went from beginning STRAIGHT to END .
3. The earth benders did 1003475 stunt moves just to move ah fucking pebble.
4. Bending water was made into a whole dance. They were OVER-bending

-- The only thing that kept this movie alive was SOME of the effects...which most of them were in slow motion. Appa & Momo were the best part of the movie. ← Which throughout the whole move , neither of they're names were said. Seriously, M.Knight WTF were you thinking , you should have watched the series before trying to make it into a movie.
I went to see the movie because my dumbass thought that it COULDNT be THAT bad. It was fucking horrible ! The characters had NO life... oh yea ! try sqeezing a WHOLE book into about 1 HOUR ! Eveything was out of place. Zuko BARELY had a scar & his hair was cut short he also had a nose that looked like it was stretched out & slapped back on his face.. Iroh was YOUNG, tall & hella skinny. & Sokka was wayy too serious & it had NO comedy.. Aang's avatar state....WTF was that !? BULLSHIT. I never thought that a movie could be THAT bad.. during the movie i was ready to walk out & walk into Karate Kid, & i was cursing the whole time at the UNKNOWN & WTH scenes. I admit the Nothern Water Temple was gorgeous but besides that ...blahh. It was 2 hours, but felt like 45 mins to me. At the end my cousin was like "Its not that bad, about a 7-10". Im like WTF HAVE YOU SEEN THE ANIMATED SERIES. Of course he didnt. It would be a slap it the face if he did. Im SO sorry i messed up the animated series by watching that. Now im about to watch the REAL Avatar & have sweet dreams. (:

Generously i give this movie a 3-4/10 ←GENEROUSS !
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I saw it last night:

The acting is very subjectable, with Sokka, Zuko, Iroh's, and Katara's being the staples of good.

Zuko's lack of traditional defining scar is a very large dissapointment, Patel does his character justice however with his good acting for his character.

Noah Ringer makes a very bad Aang his personality is brittled to death by how shoddy he performs it.

Really the only good thing that came out me seeing it was some nice special effects: A.K.A. the epitome of a Micheal Bay film.
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Edit: NVM I see it was fixed.

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Forgive me, I am reposting this because of too much editing, fixing grammar errors/flaws of the post before (I still do not doubt that there are still some grammatical errors in my post). It also seems that coding in the MAL system has few errors too by the way.





Yeah, but Chinese philosophy and martial arts has advanced and evolved into different matter compared to India. Only the early martial arts was little bit influenced by India, but you cannot say wing chun, taichi, hung gar, hkd, originated from India.
And Shaolins says that martial arts all around the world is originated from Shaolin temple. Shaolins are maybe not the first ones, who practiced martial arts nor they were the first one to use it. But their martial arts is most famous and influenced the world the most. When you learn karate, you can notice tens, maybe hundreds of techniques that are used in shaolin too. Indian and Chinese philosophy are similar to each other, like the most of major religion and philosophies. Most of them speak of peace, virtuous, morals. Ideals of christianity, hindu, buddhism, Taoism, are all similar. The great achievement of their, is to become good and moral person.
Or maybe, it'd be more accurate to say "all of them have something in common".
Someone might say "of course lol, what kind of religion are there that prefer evil?" There are.
Anyway to what I wanted say, all of them may sound very different, but the concept is pretty much same. Major religions want to make the world better. Better in way to be peaceful, respecting and loving. Some uses the name of god, spirits, supernatural beings to speak of good and morals and some not (Confucianism uses the name of people, to speak about morals and virtuosity and same goes for Taoism).
God of christianity is really close to what Tao is. You don't think so? Because christians describes their god confusingly and very differently. When you read Bible, christians describe God as him. People sometimes are confused, who is god? Does he has shape? Can I see him? Why won't god help me? He is cruel, he is loving and so on. The Bible also gives us incomprehensible reason, why we should never know the gods real name: "because god doesn't want to, because god said so, because he will punish you if you do so".
Tao Te Ching (sacred book of Taoism) gives quite reasonable answer to why we should not know real name of Tao. As my signature says "The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao. The name that can be named is not the eternal name. The nameless is the beginning of heaven and Earth. The named is the mother of the ten thousand things."
Lao Tzu say, that there's no the end without beginning, and no beginning without the end. And Tao is never-ending, eternal, thus it has no beggining nor the end.

They also say, god loves you, but you have to help yourself. Tao Te Ching does not say that the Tao loves you nor it hates you. But it speaks of harmony of the world and Yin Yang. Meaning, in order to achieve anything, you have to help yourself, no greater power nor supernatural power will ever help you to achieve anything.
God is nowhere, yet everywhere; Tao is nowhere, yet everywhere.
^ Christian God and Tao are more similar to each other than we might think. People of different cultures just describe those two differently.
spupapiJul 15, 2010 8:00 PM
The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao. The name that can be named is not the eternal name. The nameless is the beginning of heaven and Earth. The named is the mother of the ten thousand things.
I do not recall, Jesus ever saying "build churches, temples, and kill those who doesn't follow christianity..." nor he said "christianity is religion".
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My review of the film after seeing it. Warning: very very long and may include things you may not care about.


tl;dr
Awful film, not worth paying to see, don't see it especially if you are fan of the series.

It's a soulless remnant of what the series was :|
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its doing horrible in the box office like 4th place
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